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By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Thu May 05, 2016 at 10:28:24 PM EST
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House Speaker Paul Ryan won't support Donald Trump right now. He said Trump doesn't advance the principles of the Republican party. He doesn't think Trump is running a campaign Republicans can be proud of. He is unhappy with Trump's belittlement and bullying.

Is it Trump's crassness or his values Ryan objects to? Sounds like the former. Ryan sounds like he's trying to dictate how Trump runs his campaign. Memo to Ryan: It's not going to happen.

I've always disliked Paul Ryan's values. You can read his position on issues here.

Watching Republicans fall all over themselves and castigate their fellow Republicans is mildly entertaining. But in the end their views are all the same -- unacceptable.

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    This (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 07:45:26 AM EST
    But in the end their views are all the same -- unacceptable.

    Here is a brief preview of the next 6 months-

    Good morning!  I'm Biff Blatherer in New York.  This morning we have with us congress woman Hedda Lettuce.  Congress woman Lettuce is running for reelection in Pensultuckys 13 district.  Welcome.

    Thank you Biff.  I'm so happy to be here and have the opportunity to talk about my plan to....

    Yes. And we will.  But first, earlier today Donald Trump said he believed the moon to be made of cheese.  Do you agree?

    Well, Biff, I'm not a scientist and...

    No but you are running for a seat in the House of Representstives who controlls spending and will have to decide if you will fund his planned mission to the dark side of the moon to find out once and for all if there is a race of green amazons living in caves and eating the cheese.

    Well, Biff, I would think there needs to be more study on that but if I could...

    And what about bringing them back and putting them incontroll of the southern border.  Would  you be in favor of that Congresswoman Lettuce?

    Biff I think we are getting ahead of ourselves.  I raelly wanted to talk about...

    Sorry we are out of time.  Such an interesting topic!  We will have you back real soon.   Be safe on the trail!

    We'll be right back.

    Que political commercial-
    Ominous music over grainy red tinted video of the moon-
    "Hedda Lettuce agrees with Donald Trump that there are green amazons on the moon and wants to use your tax dollars to bring them back to guard our southern border!
    Tell Congresswoman lettuce our children and seniors are more important than amazons on the moon"

    -----------

    There you go.  That what the next 6 months is going to be like for every republican running for anything anywhere but especially for House and Senate.
    Every election in the country is now about Donald Trump.   This is why Ryan said what he said.  It was an attempt to give cover to thise who needed it to run as far and fast as they can from Donald.

    It won't work.  They can run but they can't hide.

    I think (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:21:36 AM EST
    that is why there is talk of a third party.

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    Won't happen IMO (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:26:05 AM EST
    But even if it did it would not help with the dilemma above.  Donald is the head of the Republican Party.  Unless they plan to run as a third party it won't make a difference.

    Trump may have some kind of magic Teflon juju but it does not extend downticket.

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    I guess (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:38:52 AM EST
    the thinking is that they could say they are supporting Candidate X third party for president. However, being that it is 6 months until the election there really is not time to build a third party. The only way they could do anything is to take over an existing third party like the conservative party.

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    The Libertarian party (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:47:24 AM EST
    Is supposedly the only one with ballot access in all 50 states.  Good luck getting some establishment hack through the nominating process which is coming up.

    I expect it will be Johnson.  His star is rising.  Few of the Kristol, Krauthammer crowd will vote for of support Gary Johnson.

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    So, Mary Matalin's announcement (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:05:24 AM EST
    yesterday that she has switched from being a Repub and is now registered as a Libertarian may have some practical application for her.  Other than being a Repub mouthpiece married to a strong Democratic mouthpiece, James Carville, she may be most known for her alignment with the Bush/Cheney crowd.  (For me, Matalin brings to mind a telling moment captured during an interview in 2000 as she sat with Bush et al in Florida ... and, if memory serves, she actually uttered a but-that-can't-be when the Florida returns on general election night showed Al Gore winning Florida.  She had a stunned look, as if she "knew" otherwise. 'Never forgotten that look.)

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    Almost exactly the same story is told (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:08:43 AM EST
    About Sandra Day O'Conner

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    I'd like to see that interview again, Capt. (none / 0) (#14)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:15:28 AM EST
    The one with Matalin, that is.  Because I still remember the expression I saw on <CBS> in expression & tone.  She was, I believe, directly associated with the Cheney operation, wasn't she?

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    The questions pose themselves (none / 0) (#15)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:40:40 AM EST
    Do you think, Capt., that M. Matalin has anyone in mind to advise, assist, etc. who might be a Libertarian?  Probably a coincidence ... that she couldn't wait to announce her change of parties ... maybe or maybe not....  The whole primary season has an Alice in Wonderland quality, tho.

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    I noticed it to (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:48:57 AM EST
    Maybe a flag that they really are going to try to steal the Libertarian nomination with some hack.

    Pass the popcorn.

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    I think they (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:51:22 AM EST
    Underestimate Johnson.  Or fear him maybe.  I really think he is going to make some news this cycle.  He seems in some ways a man who's time has come.

    Interestingly I could totally vote for him.  He would be my strong second choice.

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    He'll (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:59:33 AM EST
    probably get a lot of votes of Republicans who are sick of the tea party nuts.

    The biggest irony of this whole election so far is that religious conservatives have been shut out for the most part with no candidate.

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    Not so much (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:03:05 PM EST
    Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, the former Republican governor of New Mexico, is polling in double digits against Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in a new Monmouth University poll. In the potential three-way race, Johnson garnered 11 percent of the vote, and, perhaps surprisingly, had a (slightly) more detrimental effect on Clinton than on Trump.



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    Plus (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:05:17 PM EST
    He is running straight at Sanders supporters.  He will get some.  I saw you say he has little in common with Bernie.  Not true.  He has a lot for thise voters.
    Ask kdog.

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    the Libetarian (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 06, 2016 at 03:52:47 PM EST
    platform includes, phasing out/privatizing SS, eliminating most government regulations, absolute free trade, privatizing education(free college are you kidding?), abolishing the IRS, no minimum wage and much more.

    Except for the social issues their platform is diametrically opposed to Bernie's.

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    To quote Rachel (again) (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 07, 2016 at 07:29:55 AM EST
    "Political platforms are not documents that are read by anyone but the authors"

    I would say the goes double for a party like the Libertaruan party.
    A couple of things.
    I don't agree with Johnson on every topic.  I also don't agree with Hillary on every topic.
    The other thing is all that krap about privatizing SS and the rest has exactly zero chance of getting through congress.  Less than zero I would say.  Even the existing congress.  The mor democratic one that we will have in 2017 even less.

    OTOH having a President with the views Johnson holds, on personal privacy and freedom coukd mean a helluva lot in real terms because as Obama has shown there are many things a president can do around the edges that can be significant.

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    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:43:00 PM EST
    in the economic sense if they are serious about it he has nothing for them but yes, the drug war being their main thing in common I would think.

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    And a lot of (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 12:44:55 PM EST
    Bernie supporters were 2012 Paulheads. So while they won't get the revolution they seem to wandering from candidate to candidate looking for they do get something from Johnson.

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    Johnson will pull some from (none / 0) (#23)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:13:53 PM EST
    the wandering Wandering Sanders-Warren-ABC bunch ... plus, some additional youth and latter-day protesters groups.  As you indicate, there may be some Repubs--e.g., the to-date hidden moderate types that, interestingly, may come from swing states.  

    Yet, I still don't understand what the methodical Matilin is doing.  If it is more than a spontaneous urge to go Libertarian, then I'd look for where some unknown donors might be because she knows where the $$$$$ are.  Could a combo of some sort be possible with G. Johnson ... what came to mind as I was watering the plants had to do with who has gone on record as saying a Third Party would be an option?  So ... in the land of speculation, up pops the Senator from Nebraska who has openly opposed Trump and seems to have an inviting edge about him.  His name: Ben Sasse (I think :) ) Sasse has suggested in compilations about Trump that it might be time for a 3rd party; Sasse has a direct, center-of-the-country, down-to-earth, good looking charm about him ... at first blush.  Of course, if he contemplated any such thing, he would have to kiss his Nebraska and Repub future good-bye; but, he might like succeeding the Pauls.  Bottom line: Matalin knows the $$$$$ & the strategies & the players.

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    There seems to be (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:22:02 PM EST
    A bit of a rise in the popularity of Libertarianism with rightish talking heads.  Like Liz Mair.

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    It could just be about (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:26:38 PM EST
    The total embarrassment the Republican Party has become.  Must be getting damn hard to defend at cocktail parties.

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    Personally (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 02:10:43 PM EST
    I noticed people calling themselves Libertarians after or during the last part of the George W. Bush administration. Now these people call themselves libertarians however they really are Republicans who are just too embarrassed to call themselves that. If you talk to them you'll find that they sound just like garden variety Republicans.

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    Johnson or Sanders (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    5 Reasons Sanders supporters should vote for Gary Johnson

    (Anti-war, marriage equality, end corporate welfare, legalize pot and against the NSA)

    Gary Johnson may catch the Bern

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    No (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 06, 2016 at 11:04:58 AM EST
    they would never be able to get one of their own nominated for the Libertarian party but maybe they just say they're supporting whoever the conservative party runs even though it doesn't have ballot access. It will be interesting to see what really happens. I've been watching here in GA and so far the answer has been basically "no comment". I don't know if they are going to be able to keep getting away with that or not.

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    Funnier than your inventive, hilarious take (none / 0) (#6)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:28:16 AM EST
    is the likelihood that the scenario you paint here, Capt., will start appearing throughout the summer.

    It is also thought by many political strategists that--with two individuals who begin the cycle with putative high negatives--if the race devolves into a referendum about the character of one of them <per your example, Trump> the other candidate is winning now and will win <in this example, HRC.>  While the prognosticators have been unimpressively inaccurate this season, maybe they may finally hit the mark with this one.

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    This is all a show (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by jbindc on Fri May 06, 2016 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    Ryan will be campaigning with Trump in Wisconsin by summer.

    I'm not so sure about that. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 06, 2016 at 04:00:11 PM EST
    There were a lot of very nasty things said about Trump by GOP establishment types which simply can't be taken back, without making those who called Trump a "phony," "fraud," "psychopath," etc., look extraordinarily foolish to those who heard them say those things.

    Given that up to 40% of Republican voters in recent polls have indicated that they consider Donald Trump unacceptable and unfit for public office, it's possible that a rather significant bloc of them are going to write off this presidential election and stand down.

    I seriously doubt that the entire 40% would walk, perhaps up to half the above number at the very most. But even if two-thirds to three-quarters of them eventually return to the fold, the absence of 5 to 8 million otherwise likely GOP voters would still be enough to seriously damage Trump's overall prospects.

    So, I don't see any upside to Speaker Ryan supporting the nominee at this point. Instead, he will likely focus his own efforts on down-ticket races, in an effort to maintain / save his party's majorities in Congress and various state legislatures.

    And if Trump really proves unpopular and unpalatable with the general public, who knows? Ryan may even see his own seat in southern Wisconsin's I-90 corridor eventually come into play, the way Speaker Tom Foley's seat in Spokane did in the late stages of the 1994 midterm campaign.

    This has been a crazy year thus far, and I'm plum out of predictions at this point. I mean, Just when I thought Republicans couldn't possibly go any lower because their bar was already set a foot below sea level, they proved me wrong again with Trump as the apparent nominee in waiting.

    So, nothing should be off the table. We'll see who finally shows up in Cleveland. That ought to be a good indicator of where GOPers are headed this fall. If the lead stories that week focus more on who's not there than the nominee himself, well, I'd certainly like the Democrats' chances at that point.

    Aloha.

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    It's difficult to be (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 06, 2016 at 04:36:38 PM EST
    sure about anything at this point. However, I believe that Ryan and Trump will work this out just fine.  The Trump campaign retaliating by saying Ryan is unfit to be speaker is a starting point for the grand negotiator.  Ryan can't go too far wrong by, ultimately, siding with the plurality of the base.

     In Republican Land, saying dastardly things about each other, doesn't count. Trump compared Ben Carson, his new best friend, to a child molester. And, all is well. It is just part of the reality show. Besides, who needs Ryan when you have Cheney.

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    Think I am with you on this one (none / 0) (#32)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri May 06, 2016 at 06:31:12 PM EST
    Ryan is trying to position himself for the future. There is no long (or short term benefit) for Ryan to support Trump.

    Trump goes down and Ryan opposed him. Ryan rebuilds the party in his image.

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    Winner or Loser (none / 0) (#33)
    by christinep on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:29:16 PM EST
    Trump seems to understand the blunt "winner" or "loser" dichotomy.  For Ryan, a pragmatic basis for decision would seem to come down to Ryan's own private, honest evaluation of the probabilities in the coming months--the trends, the math, the heightened role of diversity, the likely outcome.  If Ryan concludes that Trump is a "winner," well his own approach throughout the summer will be one thing; but, if Ryan believes that the Trump insurgency is temporary and that he can go no further, then Ryan would regard him as a "loser" and walk away, keep one's distance.

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    If they do (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:50:01 PM EST
    it's possible that a rather significant bloc of them are going to write off this presidential election and stand down.

    Then the Republican Party is dead.

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    No, they'll vote downticket (none / 0) (#44)
    by Towanda on Sat May 07, 2016 at 07:08:00 PM EST
    to prepare for Ryan in 2020.

    I've read that from lots of folks on Ryan's turf, including some in his state's leadership -- the behind-the-scenes real leadership sorts.  Intriguing.

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    Ms Palin (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 11:48:46 AM EST
    Declared war on Ryan this morning on CNN.   Says he will "Cantored".  Sure, she is a nut but Ryan has a primary opponent in the making.  IMO this is exactly the pressure point to make Saint Paulie much happier about a Trump candidacy.

    I expect after their "meeting" next week Paulie will be a convert.

    One of Palins lines of attack was Ryan's opposition was all about wanting the republican to lose so he can run in 2020.

    Palin will work to defeat Ryan

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    And (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 08, 2016 at 12:43:41 PM EST
    Trump is now saying that he might remove Ryan as convention chairman. So yeah, I imagine Ryan will completely cave. One way or the other if his career was not over it is now.

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    That assumes Ryan is political silly putty. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 08, 2016 at 12:56:29 PM EST
    While I don't think he's the "smartest guy in the room" as he's been touted in the media, I also don't see him as spineless and malleable as others so. He's not going to hitch his wagon to a horse he sees as a sure-fired loser, unless he sees an upside to doing so. And right now, there's no upside.

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    We'll see (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 01:34:50 PM EST


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    And (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 01:37:38 PM EST
    I would say not getting seriously primaried from the right would be a pretty big upside.

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    Palin has no sway in Wisconsin (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by ruffian on Wed May 11, 2016 at 05:42:59 AM EST
    And Trump did not do well in Ryan's area of Wisconsin. Ryan is going nowhere. Trump getting him replaced as convention chair would suit him just fine - he can step away from this debacle.

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    Politico (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 11, 2016 at 07:39:31 AM EST
    Pretty close to spot on IMO

    LINK

    Paul Ryan knows he's in a squeeze.
    The Wisconsin Republican has spent two decades building a brand as a serious conservative with a friendly demeanor, who totes budget charts to town halls and is more prone to a back slap than a back stab.

    They aren't speaking different languages. They are from different planets. Ryan has never had a job outside of Washington; Trump hasn't ever worked in Washington.

    So here's the House speaker's play, according to multiple people in Ryan's inner circle: he wants Trump to understand where he is coming from. Ryan wants to try to steer the party's national political dialogue -- as embodied by Trump's barbed rhetoric -- in a better direction. He wants an open line of communication between his operation and Trump's. He isn't going to try to extract policy concessions from Trump -- he understands they are unlikely to ever agree on trade or immigration -- but he wants some recognition that Ryan has 247 members of the House that need to be re-elected, and they can't do so while wincing through the general election in November.

    All of these decisions are laced with peril for Ryan. If Ryan does endorse Trump, he could be seen as caving to the New York billionaire after months of deeming his rhetoric problematic and not emblematic of the Republican Party. A Ryan endorsement could disappoint the conservative intelligentsia, which has applauded Ryan's courage. In short, lining up with Trump is a major risk to Ryan's brand.
    But should he not endorse Trump, Ryan could be seen as a man who worsened a major rift within the Republican Party. He could alienate the grassroots, who helped rocket Trump to the top of the party.



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    I am so glad my grandfather ... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu May 05, 2016 at 11:28:50 PM EST
    ... didn't live to see this circus come to town. I was just thinking about him, today being the 20th anniversary of his passing at age 96. He was a proud Republican of the Earl Warren mold, solidly conservative on fiscal matters but quite liberal on social issues, particularly in the realm of civil rights, equality, women's reproductive rights and immigration. He had absolutely no use or tolerance for right-wing paranoia and extremism, and would disparage to his own sister, a member of the John Birch Society, as a nutcase. It would break his heart to watch the sad extent to which today's GOP has been devolving.

    And your question about why (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 06, 2016 at 07:57:41 AM EST
    Values definitely.  If it was Cruz Ryan would be dropping balloons.

    Trump's success is based on rejection (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:31:08 AM EST
    of Ryan's positions as well as Bush's as well as the Inside Beltway positions.

    He has shown that the Tea Party, which started as opposition to immigration and a failing foreign policy, morphed into a quasi-religious order and thus lost its way and is no longer relevant. IOW, the base has decided that promises without results are meaningless.

    People are hurting. People are looking for solutions and they don't give a flip what the Paul Ryan's of the world think or support.

    Reality check. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Repack Rider on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:08:48 AM EST
    the base has decided that promises without results are meaningless.

    Reality refutes your assertion.  No one on earth has promised more and delivered less than The Donald.

    So that is obviously not his appeal to the Morlock class.

    Next theory?

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    The implicit meaning was that (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 06, 2016 at 09:48:24 PM EST
    it is the existing "leadership" that has promised and promised and not delivered.

    I apologize that I over estimated your reading comprehension ability.

    And I agree that he has not delivered. But then he hasn't been elected....yet.

    ;-)

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    Why reward failure? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Repack Rider on Fri May 06, 2016 at 10:48:32 PM EST
    I agree that he has not delivered. But then he hasn't been elected.

    Why doesn't his track record over three decades of failing to deliver on his rhetoric count BEFORE the election?  

    Are you suggesting that he will reverse his lifetime of lying if we elect him?  Why would he do that, especially if we reward three decades of failure by electing him president?

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    my feelings... (none / 0) (#37)
    by linea on Sat May 07, 2016 at 12:23:04 AM EST
    i believe jim was proposing an explanation for trump's popularity in the rebublican party; not trying to start an argument.  i take his analysis on face value.

    i had no idea that the Tea Party started as opposition to immigration and a failing foreign policy.  i though it was an ersatz libertarian movement with the ersatz being increased funding for the military and social security for the elderly.

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    Two things (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 07, 2016 at 07:32:32 AM EST
    He only ever has one purpose.   To start an argument.

    and your impression of the intent of the tea party, wow.
    Just wow.

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    Since you have never (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 07, 2016 at 09:27:51 AM EST
    attended a TP meeting I don't see how you know anything about them besides what you read, see on MSNBC or hear from your local buds who probably filter things to make you feel better or coat them to make you upset.

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    Yes, but... (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Repack Rider on Sat May 07, 2016 at 09:55:07 AM EST
    i believe jim was proposing an explanation for trump's popularity in the rebublican party; not trying to start an argument.

    I understand that, but since he got the one fact in his statement 180-degrees wrong, it is not a valid explanation for Trump's popularity.

    The claim was that the GOP hoi polloi are tired of empty rhetoric from political leaders.  But since they now support a guy who holds the world record for failing to deliver on his rhetoric, that is clearly not the explanation.

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    Thank you. (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 07, 2016 at 09:24:54 AM EST
    Go back to 2006 and you will find the Repub leadership joining the Demos in trying to "reform" immigration. A firestorm erupted among the Repub base. For days the congressional phone system was tied up as folks screamed at their elected reps. The "reform" was defeated but the base was so angered that many stayed home in the '06 elections and the Demos took control of both houses.

    As the Demos failed to take the necessary actions re energy and housing both bubbles grew and grew until they popped and the economy has not yet recovered. The '08 election and the various proposals/actions of Obama again primed the pump and the Tea Party came into recognition in the '10 election time frame. The Repubs made a come back and promised the world.

    In the view of the TP they didn't do squat.

    This was repeated in '12 and '14.

    Trump is the result. Note how his positions match up with these.

    It is hard to get a handle around what the TP is/was because there aren't any rules. Various neocons have declared themselves leaders to no effect. There is a liberation touch but mostly concentrated on the 1st, 2nd and 10th Amendments.

    There is very little support for expanded military operations UNLESS the ROE's are changed to allow use of all available force. Since many are veterans they know what war is about and are dead set against fighting another "no win" war.

    But opposition to the huge influx of Hispanics and Muslims is the glue that holds them together.

    Despite what many on the Left think there never was a strong religious component. It was just an easy point for many commentators to blather about.

    I have attended quite a few meetings and find them interesting in watching democracy work at the local level. The debates and pi$$ing contests between groups can be educational. Over time the thrust as veered from 100% national issues to more local where they have had some success in electing who they support.

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    I am stating that he has (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 07, 2016 at 08:48:23 AM EST
    not been elected. He may or may do what he says.

    Come back later.


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    Dowd (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 02:26:12 PM EST
    who's King of the hill

    WASHINGTON -- PAUL RYAN and Donald Trump sit down at Republican National Committee headquarters on Capitol Hill to hash out a couple little things, like who is running the party and who is the actual Republican.

    "Welcome to Washington, Donald," Ryan says, shaking hands with the presumptuous nominee. "Reince says you're far more gracious in private than in public and I sure hope that's true."

    Trump smirks and pulls out his bottle of industrial-strength sanitizer, squirting a prodigious amount on his hands.

    Trying to thaw the chill, the House speaker displays his best ingratiating Irish undertaker air. "Hey," he says, "thanks for not calling me Lyin' Ryan."

    "I never use the same adjective twice," Trump replies coolly. "As you know, I do have killer instincts. That's how I knocked out 16 losers. So let's try a few names for kicks. Pious Paul? Pompous Paul? Phony Paul? Back-Stabbing, Blindsiding Paul who hung me out to dry to protect his own presidential ambitions for 2020?"
    I thought this was the best quote of the morning (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 08, 2016 at 02:36:09 PM EST
    When Trump was asked if he would try to remove Ryan from his role in the convention if he continued to withhold his support-

    Mr. Trump stopped short of calling for Mr. Ryan, the speaker of the House, to step down from his convention role. But in an interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Mr. Trump said there could be consequences in the event that Mr. Ryan continued withholding his support.

    "I will give you a very solid answer, if that happens, about one minute after that happens, O.K.?" Mr. Trump said. "There's no reason to give it right now, but I'll be very quick with the answer."



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