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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:02:05 PM EST
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Early exit polls have trickled in and reading the tea leaves I think they're good for Clinton. Caveat - first wave notoriously unreliable.

I may add more here tonight - still 3 more hours of voting. In the meantime, I tweet - @armandodkos.

Hearing last wave of exits have it closer 8-10. I'm skeptical. But let's count the votes.

My source was right. Trump wins. Exits don;t show Clinton with big enough margin to call the race.

Hillary Wins!

Worst exit poll miss in history.

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    I am not a Twitter/tweet follower (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by vml68 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:06:09 PM EST
    but I have made an exception for you.
    I am now officially a twit!

    Tweeto - (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:32:08 PM EST
    - Ergo sum.

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    Supposedly (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:49:44 PM EST
    Hillary is having a big celebration in Times Square tonight. I'm guessing the secret service is not going to let her be there but it's for her supporters.

    Nothing sched. in Times Sq. per (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:20:41 PM EST
    her website.

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    Predictions NY! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:18:01 PM EST
    GOP

    Trump 54%
    Kasich 24%
    Cruz 21%

    DEM

    Clinton 61%
    Sanders 38%

    I think your Cruz number is high (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:26:38 PM EST
    hard to believe he'll break 15%

    That is the only opinion I have on numbers!

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    Cruz:14.5% (none / 0) (#85)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 05:19:45 AM EST
    I just had a gut feeling about that one!

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    AP just declared Clinton the projected (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:51:47 PM EST
    winner in New York.

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    What's the Connection? (none / 0) (#12)
    by RickyJim on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:07:20 PM EST
    Between the % numbers you give and the number of delegates each candidate wins?


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    is that Clinton number realistic? (none / 0) (#13)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:29:19 PM EST
    I would expect a margin of around 10 points, given recent polling

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    With 15% reporting ... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:26:22 PM EST
    it's:

    Clinton 61.5%
    Sanders 38.5%

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    If present trends hold up, ... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:33:23 PM EST
    ... looks like you may have nailed it spot on!

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    37% reporting, and ... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:49:04 PM EST
    ... the numbers are holding at about 60-40%, Hillary Clinton. My sister just texted me from L.A. and she says </snark> if Hillary doesn't win by at least 23, why, it's a moral victory for Sanders. " I only got half my a$$ handed to me!" LOL!

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    QOTD , h/t Digby (5.00 / 6) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:30:16 PM EST
    From Cecile Richards:
    As my mom, the late Governor Ann Richards, would say `A woman voting for Ted Cruz is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.'

    I did not know she was Ann Richards' daughter. Explains a lot of good things.

    BTD's exit poll tweets re quite informative (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Trickster on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:56:04 PM EST
    But since the early exits didn't capture a lot of upstate counties with later voting starts, I wonder how useful they really are.  

    Personally, I'm not really putting any stock into them.  I have been burned by early exit polls too many times.

    Aargh, MSNBC...once again (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:02:34 PM EST
    it is not 'the math' that is against Sanders. It is the voters in the upcoming primary states.

    Just showed it's virtually impossible (none / 0) (#40)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:11:28 PM EST
    for Sanders to catch up given Hillary will add at least 30 delegates to her lead as result of her win in NYC.  Reported 59% of vote counted, Hillary leading 59% to 41%, and she took 12 Congressional Districts in NY City area.

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    First reports are coming in. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:28:11 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton is up 61-38%, with 10% of precincts reporting thus far. Preliminary indications from Brooklyn, supposedly a Sanders bastion, show her winning there 59-41% with 30% of the precincts having reported.

    Bernie's wrong again, money doesn't necessarily rule our elections, since his campaign outspent the Clinton campaign in New York by about a 2:1 margin.

    Looking good right now, but we'll see how the rest of the state trends soon enough.

    :-D

    Was Brooklyn really a Sanders (none / 0) (#23)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:37:30 PM EST
    bastion? I thought he was expected to show his strength outside of NYC.

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    Brooklyn was the site ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:41:09 PM EST
    ... of the largest public rallies thus far of the Sanders campaign anywhere in the country, with 27-30,000 people in attendance. Of course, given these electoral results, how many of them actually punched the ballot for him is another question entirely.

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    Is this where the votes were disenfranchised? (none / 0) (#47)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:25:31 PM EST
    It may be the next Sanders complaint to the DNC.

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    Brooklyn was disenfranchised ... (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    ... when the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles in 1958.

    (Bah-DUMM-bumm-bumm!)

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    Good one (none / 0) (#87)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:18:02 AM EST
    n/m

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    With 23% of precincts having reported, ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:38:26 PM EST
    ... it's Clinton 61%, Sanders 39%. This is looking to be a huge night for her -- and if these numbers hold, the question will beg as to whether the open animus on display from the Sanders campaign in attacking his rival perhaps spurred a Democratic voter backlash against him.

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    Hope you're right. (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:41:32 PM EST
    You can bet that Sanders will double down on the nasty if he gets crushed tonight, though.

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    He's likely going to get pounded next week ... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:52:26 PM EST
    ... in Pennsylvania and Maryland. He might come close in Connecticut, because polls show him within 10 points, but that's probably the best he can hope for.

    We can stick a fork in Bernie. He's probably done.

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    He may remain within the superdelegate (3.50 / 2) (#31)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:53:52 PM EST
    margin. He can argue that the SuperD's should choose the more electable candidate. I would agree.

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    And Sanders is more electable, based upon ... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:08:32 PM EST
    ... what, exactly -- the wishful thinking of Bernie Bros? Of the nine largest states in the country, Hillary Clinton has now won seven of them relatively handily, with Pennsylvania (#6) and California (#1) still to come. She's ahead in the polls in both those states, and she leads the rough popular nationwide vote count by over 2 million.

    She's earned this nomination, fair and square.

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    Sarcasm (none / 0) (#86)
    by Nemi on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:14:39 AM EST
    I'm sure. :)

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    It's being reported that ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:59:56 PM EST
    ... Hillary may net 49+ delegates, just on the strength of her victories in individual New York congressional districts. If that's actually the case, then Bernie's campaign is effectively kaput, save for the shouting. With tonight's results, New York may have proved itself to be the Clinton campaign's real firewall.

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    Per Jeff Zeleny on CNN, Sanders (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:06:23 PM EST
    was even nastier toward Clinton in his very long losing speech tonight. The further he drops behind the more vicious he gets.

    What is going on with Sanders? It is almost like he has decided if he cannot win the nomination he will do his damnedest to make sure Clinton does not win the White House.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:38:21 PM EST
    the parts of his speech that were on twitter earlier were just awful and not just towards Hillary. He has started aiming fire at the entire party. It's Nader 2.0 like another poster here pointed out.

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    Why would he think (none / 0) (#130)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 07:13:15 PM EST
    the party would switch its superdelegates to him when, in addition to his never having been a Democrat or contributing to the Democratic Party or its candidates (unless they've endorsed him), and while using its organization and funding for his own gain, he angrily spits in its face?

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    Short answer (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:26:05 PM EST
    More & more, it appears that Mr. Sanders is not now nor ever has been a nice guy.  The good guy image, the image of a man of ideas .... huh??? Ideologues, purity types, holier-than-thou types --in my experience & opinion-- usually tend more toward the preaching rather than the practice, tend more toward the yuuuge masses waving arms or armament rather than the genuine close-up warmth, touch often seen in those who care about each & every individual.

    We'll see how the pattern goes....

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    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:33:35 PM EST
    I have come to the conclusion that I do not like sanctimonious morality lectures whether they come from the left or the right. Left wing fundamentalist followers can be just as bad as right wing fundamentalists sorry to say.

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    Currently Hillary Leads 138-85 in NY Delegates (none / 0) (#34)
    by RickyJim on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:05:38 PM EST
    That is according to the Huff Post Chart.  Superdelegates are included.  223 out of 291 accounted for.

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    That sounds about right, given tonight's results. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:17:04 PM EST
    I believe the remaining delegates will be allocated by the results in the individual congressional districts. That's where she may run up the score in the delegate count. This is looking to be a huge night for her.

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    As For the Republican Delegates (none / 0) (#56)
    by RickyJim on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:38:51 PM EST
    The same chart now shows out of 95 delegates, Trump has won 48 with 0 for Cruz and Kasich.  However Nate Cohn says
    In fact, if the AP results are accurate and if they hold, Trump would win 92 of the 95 delegates. There's more downside than upside for him: He could lose two Manhattan-based districts and could fall under 50 in a few others.


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    Very sad corollary of tonight's (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:04:56 PM EST
    result: New York State is now officially part of the Deep South.
    When and how did this happen??

    Only southern New York is part ... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:18:49 PM EST
    ... of the Deep South. Buffalo feels the Bern!

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    Oops. Buffalo didn't feel the Bern after all. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 11:03:28 PM EST
    Hillary swept all the major urban areas.


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    Sanders is not senile. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:11:16 PM EST
    Don"t say stuff like that. It is just not true.

    Perhaps he's tired and (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:15:15 PM EST
    ill-advised.

    I also think he started in the primaries not thinking he had a prayer of doing well, and the better he does, the more he wants it, the more he's convinced he has a shot, and the more angry he becomes from deluding himself that the race is close.

    Chuck Todd now saying if Bernie continues to be so nasty and critical toward Hillary, he will not only lose the nomination but also lose the opportunity he has now to be a force in the party.

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    I went too far, but I do think he (none / 0) (#41)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:13:38 PM EST
    is very inflexible and rigid in his thinking.

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    that comment was deleted (none / 0) (#79)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:13:52 AM EST
    as a personal attack on Sanders. He is not even close to senile. (And I say this as some one who thinks he, and anyone else who is 74, except perhaps Mick Jagger, is too old to have the stamina needed to be president.

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    Apologies. My comment was out of line. (none / 0) (#80)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:13:42 AM EST


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    So, these bobbleheads on CNN (5.00 / 7) (#45)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:23:48 PM EST
    are all insisting that Clinton must be nicer to poor Sanders. The guy is losing. He doesn't really have a prayer of winning. And his young supporters are so disappointed. Clinton must be NICE to Bernie and his youthful supporters. It is her responsibility to make them feel better.

    One of these BH is David Axelrod who masterminded Obama's 2008 campaign. He is quite certain that it is all up to Clinton to protect the fragile feelings and egos of Sanders and his supporters. Poor Bernie cannot be expected to bring the two sides together. Well, Axelrod may have forgotten how things went in 2008, but I have not. Victorious Obama did not bring disappointed Clinton supporters into the fold. He did not unite the party. Clinton did.

    Why is it always the woman who is expected to make everything okay? To soothe all the hurt feelings?

    Isnt' this Obama's job? (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:25:02 PM EST
    He should attempt to unify the party around Clinton. He's quite well suited to the task.

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    It actually should fall to Sanders (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:28:34 PM EST
    to bring his supporters into the Democratic Party fold for the general election, to convince them to support Clinton, to let go of the anger and hatred he has nurtured in them.

    It is Clinton's job to make those supporters feel welcome.

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    They can pick up their Movement (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:31:05 PM EST
    After Hillary is president.

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    HRC did her part re Sanders and (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 11:39:43 PM EST
    his supporters tonight.

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    Oh, well (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:33:41 PM EST
    you're really gonna love what tweety said then. He said it's up to Elizabeth Warren to bring these voters "into the fold".

    So again if you want something done get a woman to do it.

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    Well (none / 0) (#53)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:36:13 PM EST
    I thought Warren was a dirty, low-down liar for not endorsing The Bern.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:40:20 PM EST
    again we're dealing with tweety here.

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    Because, casey, that's what Mommy does. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:34:50 PM EST
    And that's why Mommy is often the brains of the family outfit, because any real man will tell you that making nice-nice is for wussies! Why, Daddy would just as soon jump off the ledge with all colors flying, grabbing his crotch -- likely yelling, "Who's got the big one? I do!" as he plunges into the abyss -- than reconcile for the common good.

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    I was thinking along those lines (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 04:17:54 AM EST
    It is the natural cycle and even duty of youth to rebel and reject the parents at least for a time, but the parents rarely reject the children. And mom wants the whole family together for the holidays. Not to get too psychobabbly, but Clinton has definitely taken on the responsible, thankless adult role thus far. I have no doubt she'll continue to do so, and do her best to get everyone e together. Of course it will not be every Bernie supporter, but I believe it will be enough.

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    She is very Presidential tonight (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:38:48 PM EST
    and inspiring, too.

    I know I am not supposed to be excited (5.00 / 11) (#60)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:47:10 PM EST
    about the prospect of a woman president, but I am. I am so excited that I might see a woman, not just any woman, not Palin or Fiorina, but a smart, compassionate, thoughtful, strong and , yes, liberal, woman elected President of the United States.

    This is very emotional for me. I cast my first presidential vote in 1972 for Shirley Chisholm. She was arguably the most qualified Democrat to run that year. She didn't have a chance of getting the nod, but she got my vote. Now, another woman, arguably the most qualified candidate in either party in the last half century, has a real shot at winning the presidency.

    This is history being made right before our eyes. Nobody talks about the historic nature of this election. Not the media, not the commentariat, certainly not the other candidates. We are supposed to ignore how truly amazing this is. Well, let me tell you, this is amazing.

    This is so amazing!

    Truly (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:51:26 PM EST
    it is. It really is. Especially if you've seen so many women candidates try and not get there over the last 30, 40 years.

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    A part of that (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Suisser1 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:09:27 PM EST
    new Alperstein piece that really hit home for me ,

    "It's rather extraordinary that he has made it virtually unacceptable to care that for the first time in history a woman is poised to win the Democratic nomination and seems likely to become the president; we are told it should not matter to us that representation of the half of this country that has been excluded from the presidency for the entirety of its existence is within reach. It's not supposed to matter that a woman who has been a leader for women's rights and reproductive rights around the globe, and who has broken so much ground for women, an actual feminist, could possibly be our next president. Suddenly, as the country is on the verge of possibly, finally, at long last, nominating and even electing a woman, the most important thing ever is that we ignore that possibility and instead once again put a white guy in the office because he correctly observes the obvious -- that we have a broken campaign finance system and we have income inequality?"

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    Who is Alperstein? (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:30:23 PM EST
    What article?

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    I can't link right now but it was on Medium (none / 0) (#70)
    by vml68 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:32:29 PM EST
    by Robin Alperstein.

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    I think it is here -- excellent!!! (none / 0) (#74)
    by Cashmere on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 11:04:10 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/zxgq6wr

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    Thanks for the link (none / 0) (#75)
    by Suisser1 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 11:20:20 PM EST
    I should have posted it before. It really is a great overview of campaign - I think she does a great job of weaving the strands together.

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    I have nothing to add here except to say (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by vml68 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:30:07 PM EST
    that I have been smiling from ear to ear for the last couple of hours.
    Thank-you, New York!!

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    Me, I teared up again tonight (5.00 / 4) (#77)
    by Towanda on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 11:47:39 PM EST
    as I've done so many times in this primary season, history made almost every week -- from the very start, with the first woman to win Iowa twice.  And memories of the wounds of 2008 come back and bring tears of joy . . . and relief.

    After 2008, I still don't trust it. I'll save my smiling for November -- and then January!

     

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    I've been crying also ... crying happy (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:39:34 PM EST


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    This is what I am saving for November. (none / 0) (#110)
    by vml68 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:17:13 PM EST
    Link

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    Have you bought (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:15:48 PM EST
    those already? They look awesome. I like the Hillary Y'all buttons and the Tory Burch t-shirt. I really am not wild about that H on everything but then I liked the stuff she had in 2008 a lot better.

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    I like the glass ceiling (none / 0) (#113)
    by Suisser1 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 08:08:10 PM EST
    beer glasses, too. Bought some buttons and bumperstickers but mostly wear an old B&W button from 08 and have a very discrete "Hillary" lapel pin on my bag. I have a button press through and one of my daughter's friends wants to make our own HRC buttons. Should get to it already. :-)


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    Thanks for the reminder (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 04:24:35 AM EST
    that none of this was ever 'inevitable'. Certainly Hillary Clinton never believed that.

    I don't think the media will be able to ignore the amazingness of it for much longer....except they will distract themselves with the GOP side....I refuse to say his name!

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    Have you seen the photo on the internetz (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by Towanda on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:56:30 AM EST
    of Susan B. Anthony's gravesite yesterday, in New York?  Many women left the polls to go to the gravesite, with bouquets of flowers -- and with their "I Voted" stickers -- for the woman who wrote the Nineteenth Amendment but did not live to see the day.  I teared up. . . .

    And from so many of Clinton's comments, I can tell that she knows women's history well.  I know that she knows the Anthony quote, "failure is impossible."

    On that day of August 26, 2020, the centennial of the part of the Constitution that was written by a woman in 1876 finally becoming law, may we have a woman president -- who already has been making history for decades and in 2008 and now almost weekly, from Iowa forward, although the media never mention that -- to start the celebrations.

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    Yes! (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Suisser1 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:14:06 AM EST
    Just "shared" that. Really touched me.

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    I did see that (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:01:56 PM EST
    I think I re-tweeted it too...and I hardly ever do that. Very moving.

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    Thanks Captain... (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:27:54 AM EST
    for reminding me of the brightside of Black Tuesday;)

    Regardless of how I feel about a President Clinton, I will rejoice upon the election of our first woman president.  Just as I rejoiced upon the election of our first black president, even though I didn't support his tired arse either.

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    Thank you, kdog (none / 0) (#106)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:42:29 PM EST
    'Looking forward to joining arms in common purpose this fall.  It will work.

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    We might have to wait till after Fall... (none / 0) (#107)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 02:50:49 PM EST
    old pal, unless you're getting on the Jill Stein train...who is due to get matching funds from the FEC this season, having met the requirements.  

    Maybe the powers that be will actually let her debate this time too...two women handing it to Trump on the presidential debate stage would be a joy to see, if nothing else.  

    But trying elections aside, I do believe we have a common purpose...we just differ on the route to take to reach a more promised land.  

     

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    WaPo: Yeah, yeah, she won - but she still blows! (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:59:42 PM EST
    LINK. Meanwhile, per the very same Washington Post, Trump's win gives him a "big boost." The blatant bias and double standard on display here is just incredible.

    Update: With 98.5% of precincts reporting, ... (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:40:44 AM EST
    ... Hillary Clinton has gotten more votes tonight than all three Republican candidates combined. Yet according to WaPo, she's the one who's "underwater." Go figure.

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    Great win for Hillary yesterday. (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:28:04 AM EST
    Her support is massive in New York.

    Sanders will need to go back on-message and rally his supporters for the remaining primaries. I think his message will evolve to one that says a Democratic President is a prerequisite for getting any of his ideas considered in Washington. He should spend a lot of his time supporting those like-minded progressive candidate who won their primaries.

    But what is his message? (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by smott on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:23:08 AM EST
    Lately it has been "Clinton is vile" or words to that effect.

    If he would return to his pre-March message (and  demeanor) that will help Dem's in Nov, which is what should be our common goal iMo .

    But I don't think that is his goal, and I think he's done nothing but help the GOP for the last 2 months+.   Nader 2.0.

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    I meant his original message (none / 0) (#96)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 10:37:17 AM EST
    not the attack message he spun to when he figured out he was actually competing and needed to fight harder. His positive message.

    I don't think he's helped the GOP at all. He has helped Clinton hone her message and gotten a few issues out there that the GOP would have used in the general. I think the negative shots Bernie took recently have not alienated any voters who are deciding whether to vote Dem or GOP.

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    I think Bernie is definitely alienating Clinton (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Cashmere on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 11:00:05 AM EST
    supporters with his attacks but agree it is not changing how people will vote in general.  He will not be the nominee and now Bernie and his supporters are just coming across as stubborn and out of touch.  

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    Can you give us a day to reflect? (none / 0) (#99)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:59:36 PM EST
    It wasn't a lost cause until New York, no matter how much Clinton supporters felt it was.

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    It was a lost cause before New York... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Cashmere on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:11:52 PM EST
    It was a lost cause simply because of how the pledged delegates are awarded in the Democratic Party and Bernie, with his string of wins, only cut into Hillary's already huge lead by a third.  Now Bernie's campaign is still telling us they have a chance to pull through with a win.  Now they tell us they don't care if Hillary is ahead in the pledged delegates and the popular vote at the convention, they will use national polls to try to convince super Ds to swing to Bernie.  This is delusional and it was delusional before the New York vote yesterday.  I understand needing a day to reflect, but before yesterday, Bernie and his campaign were behaving in that stubborn fashion.  Not referring to you, I am referring to Bernie, his campaign staff (Weaver and Devine) and many of his surrogates who have behaved in a horrid fashion from my perspective.  I also see your posts at Taylor's site and know how reasonable you are, and I appreciate your candid perspective, so I hope there is no offence taken between us.  And...  I do empathize with the heartbreak that you feel now.  I felt it in 2008.

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    Steve: It is important to take your time (none / 0) (#108)
    by christinep on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 03:08:19 PM EST
    I've been on both sides of winning & losing over the years ... taking your time, and aligning head with gut is central to going forward (for everyone.)

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    It's not heartbreak (none / 0) (#116)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 08:59:21 PM EST
    Just disappointment. Heartbreak was Bush/Kerry. I can live with voting for Hillary for President and hope she surprises me.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:28:04 PM EST
    2004 yes, you're 100% right about that. 2000 was pretty bad too though it took a year or so for it to come to fruition in most peoples' minds exactly how horrible that one was.

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    Bernie-ville in Union Square. (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:17:31 PM EST
    And two "older" white males holding a "KILLARY" banner and shouting. Sounded like a couple street preachers. Big business in Bernie momentos, w/no markdons. Nobody advocating for HRC.

    Wonder if they voted, (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:37:12 PM EST
    or were registered to do so. Hard to take a break from the fun at Union Square, perhaps.  

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    Probably Independents... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:23:12 PM EST
    with nothing better to do, like watch the Mets home run derby.

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    One of them (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:34:45 PM EST
    was probably our resident concern troll.

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    Love (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:34:10 PM EST
    your twitter BTD but darn twitter just flies by with one comment after another and I think it might be too old for this old mind. I did have one Bro stalking me though. I'm guessing you have many.

    The rapid changes to a new (undisclosed) (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:22:09 PM EST
    subject are befuddling.

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    CNN exit polls showing Clinton 52, Sanders 48 (none / 0) (#16)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:21:14 PM EST
    So they are discounting the early results of Clinton 60, Sanders 40.

    So does this mean they're awaiting (none / 0) (#19)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:26:58 PM EST
    a big bolus of votes from some part of the state to go for Sanders?

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    Given the early reports indicating ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:32:11 PM EST
    ... a big Clinton lead of 20+ percentage points, those numbers make absolutely no sense at all. How could exit polls be off by such a wide margin?

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    NY (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:51:43 PM EST
    has been called for Hillary. It looks like it's going to be a big win for her.

    When y'all are twittered out (none / 0) (#38)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:10:59 PM EST
    Here's a sample of Lyin'® Ted Cruz getting his smug, whinging sanctimony upended and tweeted back to him by Senator Elizabeth Warren.

    A classic Warren-whippin' (none / 0) (#90)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:34:58 AM EST
    n/m

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    Sanders still talking about a floor fight (none / 0) (#59)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:46:38 PM EST
    at the Convention?  Based on what?

    Perchance he said "food fight"? (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:17:54 PM EST
    LOL!

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    Weaver on CNN (none / 0) (#62)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:51:28 PM EST
    claiming national polls show Sanders is more electable. Then how come Rove & Co. funding pro-Sanders ads, etc. Sanders has not felt the onslaught of negative ads based on opposition research, whereas Hillary Clinton has. If Sanders were nominated, the games would just begin and the claims of electability go up in smoke.
    Weaver claiming Sanders is picking up more delegates in caucus states and the Convention will see the electability argument and give Sanders the nomination.  
    Could CNN please bring out Axelrod & others to disabuse the Sanders folks of their folly?  Let's see who comes on after the break....  By the way, Axelrod posted on a Pro-Hillary entry at Orange, saying she is on her way to the nomination.  

    Sorry - Weaver was on (none / 0) (#63)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 09:54:24 PM EST
    MSNBC

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    The Sander campaign deserves the ... (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:31:38 PM EST
    ... Nobel Prize for Fiction.

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    I think campaign is trying to save face (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 12:07:26 AM EST
    They convinced themselves they could win NY; spent $7 (?) million on ads in NY, and lost by double digits. The argument that independents could not vote is an interesting point for a debate about what the state law should be, but the Sanders campaign missed the boat on informing their supporters as to timing of changing registration. One of Trump's daughters was interviewed early in the day about her inability to vote for her father because she is registered as an independent. One doesn't hear her or her father complaining about the system.

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    On MSNBC (none / 0) (#64)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:07:17 PM EST
    Steve K on Rachel Maddow saying Sanders will have to win landslide victories in all of the upcoming primaries to overtake Clinton's delegate lead. Steve K went on to say that it's highly unlikely the Sanders campaign could move super delegates.  Todd saying Sanders has to win 3 of 5 primaries next week, but doesn't think Sanders can do so.  Finally some reality on the "news" media.

    I have been looking at the map (none / 0) (#71)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 10:34:26 PM EST
    of election returns, and I have to say that Sanders' geographic margin of victory is enormous.
    There must be some media bias, because no articles are mentioning this fact.

    Ha! Yes, he has huge grassroots support (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 04:10:53 AM EST
    I mean, actual grass roots.

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    Not sure about bias (none / 0) (#89)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:33:41 AM EST
    But the media does tend to only talk about what supports the big story.

    Hillary crushed it in urban/suburban areas, but lost in virtually all other counties. This is way different from 2008, but the results were essentially the same.

    1. http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NY.html

    2. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york


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    I know (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:48:38 AM EST
    it was kind of strange wasn't it?

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    Funny thing is (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:32:11 PM EST
    If you look at an electoral map from 2008 and 2012, the country is almost completely red.  Yet, Obama won.

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    And why you shouldn't (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:34:15 PM EST
    consider how many counties Bernie has won

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    I did not think of upstate.. (none / 0) (#104)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 01:58:44 PM EST
    as Bernie country at all, go figure.  I think of upstate as yankee redneck country.

    If it wasn't for the god-damn limousine liberal city-slickers and suburbanites he woulda won!  

    Good news for a possible leftward swing in the future, Sanders won more votes and counties in NY than Obama did in '08.  

    By 2024, the country might be ready to make real moves.  We're getting there.

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#117)
    by Steve13209 on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:03:32 PM EST
    if it might be more sinister than that. Maybe Upstate would vote for a white man over a white woman and a white woman over a black man.

    That wasn't my voting logic, but ya never know about others.

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    honestly (none / 0) (#121)
    by CST on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:31:22 AM EST
    we saw pretty much the same thing play out in MA.  Personally I attributed it to western MA being more like Vermont.  In a lot of ways Hillary is the urban candidate and Bernie is the rural candidate.  One of the bigger differences between the two is their stance on guns - for example.

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    if you win the states where the people are, (none / 0) (#114)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 08:25:10 PM EST
    you win. As Observed alluded to, acreage doesn't count.

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    But what's the average population density ... (none / 0) (#120)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:52:43 PM EST
    ... of red countries, as opposed to the blue counties? We need to remember that 95 million Americans -- or about 30% of the entire country -- reside in two rather narrow corridors on opposite sides of the country, from Washington, D.C. to Boston in the east, and from San Diego / Los Angeles to San Francisco / Sacramento in the west.

    Aloha.

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    Look at maps of 2008 and 2012 (none / 0) (#125)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 02:47:32 PM EST
    They're mostly red.

    Who won those years?

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    No Bailey's on cornflakes for Priebus (none / 0) (#112)
    by ExPatObserver on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:29:24 PM EST
    Priebus claims he is having fun, not moping around and having Bailey's on his cornflakes.
    Hmmm... isn't that Ted's breakfast?

    God, Tad Devine is a piece of work (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 08:27:07 PM EST
    Never really seen him in action before. He's on Maddow now spinning his BS.

    He and Jeff Weaver really aren't doing ... (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 09:43:28 PM EST
    ... Bernie Sanders any favors by peddling this line of crap. But the candidate himself apparently isn't reining them in, and the buck stops with him.

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    Both Devine and Weaver are coming across (none / 0) (#122)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 09:56:00 AM EST
    as extremely ANGRY men.

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    Yes, Devine talks with a permanent sneer (none / 0) (#123)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 01:19:41 PM EST
    Maybe that is just a physical characteristic, but the words coming out of his mouth match the look.

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    The longer Sanders stays in the more (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by caseyOR on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 01:30:15 PM EST
    money those two rake in. When Sanders is done so are Weaver and Devine. And I do not see jobs with the Clinton campaign in their futures.

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    Devine & co (none / 0) (#126)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 02:48:47 PM EST
    Made $2.2 million for the last quarter.

    Yrs, he has a vested interst in keeping this gravy train going.

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    Ironic (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 05:11:39 PM EST
    isn't it. Big money politics will keep his campaign going well past it's sell by date.

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    as opposed to Hillary's staff, (none / 0) (#127)
    by NYShooter on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 04:05:09 PM EST
    who are working for purely altruistic purposes.

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    Her campaign manager (none / 0) (#128)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 21, 2016 at 04:32:36 PM EST
    Robby Mook makes around $7000- $7200 per month.  For the quarter, he made around $22,000.  Devine made 100x that - to be LOSING.

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    Look back at my post about the HVF (none / 0) (#131)
    by Steve13209 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    There is about $30 million that has not gone to Hillary, DNC or state parties. About 75% raised seems to have gone to overhead and fundraising.

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    So do his eyes match that look. (none / 0) (#132)
    by sallywally on Sun Apr 24, 2016 at 05:00:12 PM EST
    They seem quite vengeful.

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