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New York Primary Day

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:09:04 PM EST
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New York Primary day is finally here. There are 291 delegates up for grabs. Hillary is expected to win, but the margin may be less than expected. Even so, the road ahead for Bernie gets rockier and rockier.

[T]he current state of the race means Sanders will have to win more than 56 percent of the delegates in New York, and every other state on the calendar, to overtake Clinton. Because of this, Sanders would need to do more than just outperform the polls to come out ahead: He needs to beat Clinton by several points to make a difference.

Run, Hillary, Run. If you're in New York, get out and vote.

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    What kind of whine (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:16:08 PM EST
    goes best with Bern-aise aux toast?

    I'd normally suggest a plaintive vintage, ... (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:23:58 PM EST
    ... but unfortunately the only one which appears to be currently available quickly becomes both bitter and sour to the taste, once it's opened and exposed to the elements.
    ;-D

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    It won' t be over, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Realleft on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:40:55 PM EST
    even if it is "over."

    Clinton is the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation, possibly two, and is awaiting a report from the Benghazi panel.

    No matter NY or even subsequent outcomes, Sanders would be crazy to throw in the towel.  Nobody knows what is going to come.  There's never been, to my knowledge, a major party nominee under an ongoing substantial FBI investigation.

    I say that believing that there is nothing either the FBI or Benghazi panel has to find that would disqualify her, but politics are politics and nobody knows how this could still play out.  Whether you like Sanders or not, the Democrats should have backup plans even if everyone hopes this won't unfold in a politically untoward manner.  Crazier things have happened.

    Fair enough, but I think (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:46:48 PM EST
    Sanders will be annihilated in the general election. The current polls don't mean much, since the Republicans have (quite astutely) hardly talked about Sanders so far. His strident, avowed Socialism, some really inflammatory early writings are just the start. I would guess that the fact his family members earn quite a hefty paycheck every time he runs for office will become an issue as well.
    Howard Dean was 10 times the candidate Sanders is; more knowledgeable, more intelligent; yet he was taken out virtually overnight in 2004.

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    Bernie's (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 02:22:20 PM EST
    inability to handle any kind of criticism is a big problem and yes, it would cause him to lose a general election.

    I mean when you have 50% of the public dead set against voting for a socialist according to Gallup he's easy pickings for the GOP.

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    I don't really trust the polls, (none / 0) (#34)
    by Realleft on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:15:48 PM EST
    but they sure tell a different story.

    The things is the Republicans have to actually run someone electable against either of these Democratic candidates, and they don't have that in either Trump or Cruz, so unless they find another way out of their maze, it's a Democratic president in this year's election.

    Bottom line for me, I'm voting for whoever the Dems put up.  I like that Sanders is talking about issues I think are far more important to the future of our country than issues that Clinton is talking about.  It's all conjecture what would happen after taking office.  I suspect Hillary would have a far better team of Democratic party insiders, far better, but then the lustre is off somewhat for me because I don't really consider third-way Democrats to be very impressive, they're just wholly better than the craziness that is the Republican party.  But again I'll vote for Clinton and incrementalism over the right-wingers, over any third-party candidate and over sitting out an election.  So don't hate me too much for liking Sanders and the ideas he espouses.


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    No, she isn't. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:58:45 PM EST


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    First of (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 02:19:33 PM EST
    all she is not the target of an investigation according to the FBI. It is a security check on the server. The Benghazi report is going to do nothing. The whole committee is a laughing stock.

    Do you really think that Bernie's baggage wouldn't be a problem should the GOP try to explore it? The difference is Hillary knows how to handle this kind of thing and Bernie just whines.

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    Just the rape fantasy essay (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:47:48 PM EST
    ....would be a feeding frenzy for Hate News.

    Imagine if something like that came out of Clinton's records. Good lord.

    Sanders would get mulched in the general.
    See how irritated he gets at even relatively mild criticism. IMO it would be ugly, seriously.

    But again, that's all fine w Sarandon and her crew.

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    They're (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:50:32 PM EST
    already ridiculing him for his tax returns because he paid a smaller percentage in taxes than Romney did. I could see that one coming a mile away.

    The GOP would dispatch him in short order. It would take about a month and he would be road kill.

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    What tax return? (none / 0) (#21)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:01:43 PM EST
    He only released the 2014 1040 page I thought.
    Most definitely NOT a full return and leaves many questions unanswered.

    Or has he since Sunday released more?

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    I thought a lot of nuclear waste (none / 0) (#22)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:04:32 PM EST
    Left Vermont destined for poor Latino areas down south, all managed by Jane Sanders. I am still poking into details there.

    Again, imagine if this came out of the Clinton camp.

    MONSTER HILLARY POISONS POOR PEOPLE

    And so on.

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    They (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:39:33 PM EST
    are ridiculing him over what he has released so far. They don't even need the full return to ridicule him on the percentage he paid.

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    Also the Clinton Foundation issues (2.33 / 3) (#35)
    by Realleft on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:16:56 PM EST
    Again, I don't think much will come of it, but I know if I were running against someone under this many clouds, I'd surely keep running until they pulled the plug on me.

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    Aren't these all Repub issues (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by christinep on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:14:42 PM EST
    that you are raising ... the so-called deep, personal deep FBI investigation; more on the almost put-to-bed Benghazi; the <quote> Clinton Foundation?  Pardon me, "Realleft," but myself & my Democratic friends tend to focus on other potential issues ... but those????  I'm not sure where in these United States that you reside, but your Concerns really don't track with us old-time Democrats.  Enlighten me, if I missed something there.

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    Not my concerns, (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Realleft on Wed Apr 20, 2016 at 07:45:09 PM EST
    I was saying that Sanders is unlikely to decide to quit the race even with a loss in NY, because he clearly wants to be president, and there are still potential curveballs (whether anyone here wants to believe it or believes in it) that could come Hillary's way to keep enough hope alive for him to not exit.  

    PS. Not sure how you peg me as other than an "old-time Democrat" but I suppose I am more committed to progressive issues and principles than I am to the Democratic party and I don't have any qualms about that.

    I don't simply project my personal opinions onto everything, even when I hold opinions, try to see things for what they are, not for what I want them to be.  And Hillary still has some pending political challenges on all of these fronts that I think are likely to factor into Sanders decision-making about the road ahead. As I said earlier, I don't think any of them amount to much if anything in reality, but actual reality and political reality are sometimes two different things, ask Al Gore, inventor of the internet, or Barack Obama, Muslim citizen of Kenya, or Michael Dukakis, or Jimmy Carter etc etc.  

    I also (replying to others now) never suggested Sanders doesn't have a ton of baggage, of course the Republicans would try to hang him on socialism, communism, etc. etc.

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    It was over the day (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:04:39 PM EST
    Sanders got in. He was never going to win the nom.

    It was positive discussion for awhile and great exposure for more leftward Dem positions and movement.

    Since MI it's been a $hitstorm that is damaging the Dems and more and more appears to be the best thing the GOP could have hoped for.

    Thanks Nader, 2.0.

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    I honestly am amazed (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:26:13 PM EST
    At how my consideration of Sanders has turned so negative so fast.

    The more I researched the more it seemed like his plans were not only unrealistic, but he was the absolute  Last kind of personality to build consensus and perhaps make some changes. As his record would reflect.

    The more personal accounts I read, the more he just seems like a prickly arrogant guy convinced he is right. Again -  the Last kind of person to build consensus.

    This guy is advancing his personal cause(  not to say his bank account), by coopting  the Dem label and taking all the benefits of the DNC,  while he is in fact suing the DNC.  That's serious chutzpah.

    And the longer this goes on, the more he is becoming the GOPs best hope. Not even talking down ticket Dems/races which he's pi$$ed on his whole career, and continues to do,  which will keep the SCOTUS out of reach, talking about the general.

    So for those who, like Sarandon, are fine with nuking the village, you have your guy.

    The rest of us who actually live in the village, would hope you reconsider.

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    There (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:30:00 PM EST
    was one candidate that was one of the first to endorse Bernie and Bernie has pretty much treated the guy like dirt. But this is his history. He treated the members of the Liberty Union Party in VT the same way. It's always about Bernie. So he's eating up the messiah stuff that's being shoveled his way because it's just proving what he's always thought about himself. He's an ideologue that can never be questioned and always is right. It's one reason why he was so infuriated with the NYDN. They dared to question how he was going to implement what he wanted to do.

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    I went (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:53:23 PM EST
    from mild respect to pure dislike in about 6 weeks, my distaste growing daily with his continuous negative campaigning. If he keeps it up I am going to raise that to pure despicable.

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    I generally try to give people (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:00:18 PM EST
    Benefit of the doubt.
    And in fairness I think Jeff Weaver has much to do with the very significant change to negative personal attacks.
    But it's Sanders' campaign and he is responsible for the tone.

    And more and more I think he's just a thin-skinned jerk, and the tone is just fine with him.


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    One (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:13:31 PM EST
    of the most impressive things about the "early" Bernie was his dedication to having a campaign of ideas, never criticizing Hillary or any Democrats no matter how hard the press tried to goad him. Now it's non-stop.

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    Again, perhaps Weaver is driving it (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:18:17 PM EST
    But I hold Sanders responsible.

    It seems plain he's going scorched earth, especially with the recent DNC funds accusation.
    Which smacks of desperation, in the eve of NY.

    Man I hope it backfires, I'm really done with guy.

    And I hope Bernie Bros voting illegally (as they have seemingly been encouraged to do) backfires on them too and they are charged w perjury.


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    Don't (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:28:29 PM EST
    forget Tad Devine, who I suspect is the top strategist. Weaver is small potatoes compared to Devine when it comes to big league campaign players.

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    It's coming out of Sanders' mouth (none / 0) (#47)
    by sallywally on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:08:23 PM EST
    No one is forcing him to say these horrid things -- or forcing the soft-spoken but sharp-tongued Jane to say them.

    There was a noticeable difference in Sanders a very few weeks into the campaign and I think it was when he realized he could draw large, enthusiastic crowds. Then he began campaigning negatively and his apparent stubborn, arrogant push to go as far as possible, regardless of damage to the party or the eventual candidate took him over. He just seemed like a different spirit animated him.

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    Yes, it does seem that at some point (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:14:11 PM EST
    he started realizing there is never a price to be paid for attacking Hillary Clinton. There will always be a segment of people cheering it on, and the press loves it.  I guess it was too much to expect for him to not to want to use that segment as part of his base.

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    I'm at the final stage... (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:31:35 PM EST
    which is racing to the remote whenever he comes on TV. Same place I'm at with Trump and Cruz.

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    The sad (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:26:31 PM EST
    thing is his venom is now spilling into down ticket races putting the senate changing hands and even Sabato is saying congress at risk of flipping.

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    Lots of Bernie venom (none / 0) (#32)
    by Realleft on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:04:58 PM EST
    It's everyone's right to hold those opinions.  But the blindness about the negativity of Hillary and her campaign and surrogates from very early on seems to go unnoticed around her.  I guess incoming fire is a lot more noticeable than outgoing, and most people here are in Hillary's camp.  So okay.

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    I remember (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:43:46 PM EST
    very little coming from Hillary's camp other than McCaskill which the very same people were okay with when it was being directed at Hillary back in 2008.

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    Do you realize (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:45:20 PM EST
    that Bernie's baggage is so toxic that he would flame out in a second if it went on full display? Hillary has not even gone close and stuck to criticizing him about his voting record.

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    To clarify, then, realleft ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by christinep on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 06:17:04 PM EST
    Might you have any Concerns about Senator Sanders at this point?

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    Oh, and Ezra Klein (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:26:41 PM EST
    Simply embarrassed himself today.

    Hey, Ezra, that goat-F-ck in the 2008 Primaries which benefitted your guy was just okey-dokey then, wasn't it? No legitimacy issue there, nosiree.

    Please look up Hypocrisy.

    I have (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:48:26 PM EST
    to say it seems Hillary's campaign is blowing up the media. Not by anything they are really doing other than just by quietly winning primaries and letting the news people shoot themselves in the foot.

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    FOX just reported (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ragebot on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:18:39 PM EST
    (yea I know not the best source) that a voter purge just before the vote eliminated over 300,000 Democratic voters from the roles in NYC.  It seems maybe 54,000 at least were questionable.  While other new sources, as well as FOX are reporting this FOX said most of the 54,000 were from Harlem.

    Not sure what this means for Hillary, but I would guess she was expected to do well in Harlem.

    In any case what ever the results of the race there will be at least one official investigation of the election (not sure what the over/under is on the final number of investigations).

    I still expect Hillary to win, but questions about the win will be in the news for some time.  Time to break out the popcorn.

    AA vote is up 6% since 2008 (none / 0) (#37)
    by smott on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:31:18 PM EST
    I like these "purges".

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    Don't (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:37:29 PM EST
    expect Fox to actually report real numbers like that. LOL.

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    Reports (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:36:11 PM EST
    are of massive turnout in Harlem. So apparently the "purge" story is probably going to stay relegated to Fox News.

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    it is a real story. (none / 0) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 07:59:10 PM EST
    I have read numerous reports of Democratic voters being purged from the rolls. Brooklyn appears to have been hit hard.

    NYC Elections Board sounds like a mess. too much paperwork; too few staff. And maybe some very poor management.

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    Looks that way (none / 0) (#50)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:22:52 PM EST
    New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer said Tuesday that he will audit the local Board of Elections over "polling problems" and "widespread reports of voter disenfranchisement" during the presidential primaries.

    In a letter to the board's executive director, Michael Ryan, Stringer said his office would probe the agency's operations "to identify failings and make recommendations" after Tuesday's presidential primaries and several local races.

    Among problems reported Tuesday to city and state authorities were that 125,000 people were removed from the voter rolls; 60,000 people received notices that omitted the primary's date; and that prospective voters found polling sites closed during hours the sites should have been legally open



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    When I read this morning that the (none / 0) (#3)
    by vml68 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 01:24:05 PM EST
    race would be tighter than expected, I was less than thrilled.
    I was really hoping (still am!) she would trounce Bernie, so this primary could end sooner rather than later. I am so ready for it to be over.

    First exit polls look very good (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Towanda on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:47:40 PM EST
    for Clinton.

    Of course, with the caveat that exit poll results change.

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    I'm glad for one thing - an east coast primary (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:55:48 PM EST
    that won't keep me up late for results!

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    I hadn't (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    heard that but then the news always talks about how things are going to be tighter than the polls say.

    I am reading about huge Hillary turnout all over NY.

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    Shout out... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 02:50:38 PM EST
    to all the NY poll workers today...I'd imagine it's going to be a long day full of angry customers being told they can't vote for the candidate they support because they ain't registered under the right banner.

    Most people aren't poli-geeks like us and don't know the rules...hope people don't take it own the poor schmucks working the polls.  Been a long time since the NY primary actually had some meaning.

    You're our guy on the scene, brother (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by NYShooter on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:15:02 PM EST
    keep your eyes, ears, nose open, and let us know what "the street" is telling you.

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    I can start with a McArab clan.. (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 03:49:09 PM EST
    straw poll.

    3 Registered R's...2 Kasich, 1 Trump.

    7 Registered D's....5 Sanders, 1 Clinton, 1 Abstain (Trump supporter)

    1 Registered I...Headed home to do bong hits and watch the Mets.

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    They can blame the Sanders campaign (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:40:53 PM EST
    if they cannot vote today. A basic rule of campaign management is get out the vote. A big part of that is knowing the rules in each state and making sure your supporters know what to do.

    That the Sanders campaign prefers to blame Clinton or the DNC or anybody but themselves for these major f*ckups is what I have i have come to expect from that campaign.

    The clincher here is that senior Sanders advisor Tad Devine is a longtime Democratic Party operative who had a major role in devising the rules Sanders considers so unfair. Why isn't million dollars a month Tad on top of this?

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    I knew what to do... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 08:35:50 PM EST
    stay Independent ;)

    I'm not blaming anybody, it's gonna be mostly Dems wanting to vote for Trump anyway.

    Bernie's team leaves me queasy, no doubt. These high priced louses only care about winning, and losing the right way is better than winning the wrong way.

    Not every Bernie fan thinks he's a saint, just cooler than the other contestants.

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    Sanders camp sent letters re the rules (none / 0) (#30)
    by Towanda on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 04:51:55 PM EST
    to supporters, before the deadlines, I read.

    But I'm not in New York.  The New Yorkers had to read the letters.

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    Probably only read (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Suisser1 on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:12:41 PM EST
    if in bold, 24pt type, bullet point format with many !!!!!

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    Basically (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 19, 2016 at 05:46:54 PM EST
    I think his supporters either don't care enough about actually voting (evidenced in a lot of states) or either expect the rules to be changed for them.

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