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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 08:13:10 PM EST
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To be more precise, another primary and caucus night. Arizona, Utah and Idaho (Dems only in Idaho) vote tonight. Polling has been sparse but the indications are Clinton and Trump are in good shape in Arizona and Cruz and Sanders are favored in Utah (Sanders favored in Idaho as well).

More than half of the delegates will come from Arizona so if form holds, Clinton and Trump should extend their delegate leads. We'll see.

Arizona is scheduled to close at 10 Eastern, but they closed like 70% of the polling locations so the lines are long. Most of the votes were early though. Utah and Idaho are caucuses so who the heck knows when they will report.

Will update later.

Update - Early vote from Maricopa (Phoenix) comes in big for Hillary 61-35. Trump. comfortably leads the GOP race. --- Trump projected winner.

Clinton wins Arizona big. Up 24 with 71% in.

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    Clinton has been declared the winner in Arizona (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:21:56 PM EST


    So has Trump, per CNN. (none / 0) (#12)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:23:35 PM EST


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    Is Bernie going to be classy? (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:41:25 PM EST
    And actually congratulate Clinton?

    So far ... nope.

    Just the same old, same old.

    He's really in ... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:49:09 PM EST
    "get off my lawn" mode today.

    BTW, he still hasn't congratulated Clinton for winning in AZ.

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    Really. (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by sallywally on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:11:37 PM EST
    I had the sound off because I can't stand to listen to him, but even w/o sound all the finger-jabbing, the frowning, the anger were obvious.

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    If he hopes to win (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:20:31 AM EST
    He should be directing his ire at the Repubs, especially Trump. The longer he tries to tear Clinton down the worse he looks, but he can hurt Clinton by making his supporters too bitter about her and the broader public  believing the Republicans'* meme about her. If I were Bernie I would be too sick of my schtick (?) to keep repeating it over and over 5-6 times a day.


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    Watching CNN just now re: Bernie speech (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Cashmere on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:46:36 PM EST
    I did not see the entire speech, but the reporter stated that Bernie was very hard on Hillary tonight, going after her as usual, and stated that every time Hillary's name comes up, the crowd boos and Bernie does nothing to stop them.  The reporter thinks it will be a problem convincing these voters to support Hillary in the general.

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    The 2008 Dem primary was (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:54:35 PM EST
    quite rough, lots of anger on both sides. People wondered if Clinton's supporters would ever support Obama. And some never did.

    Thanks to Clinton's hard work, though, most of her supporters turned out for Obama in the general election. Clinton really came through for Obama, despite the ugliness of the primary, because she saw the bigger picture and was able to help her supporters move forward.

    So, if Clinton is the nominee, what Sanders says and does will be the key to shifting his supporters to Clinton. He will have to bring them along. And he will have to go all in for Clinton, just as she went all in for Obama in 2008.

    Sanders has said that he does not want to be a spoiler. Let's take him at his word.

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    Has the reporter seen any of the data ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by FreakyBeaky on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:30:54 AM EST
    ...to the contrary?

    Call me sceptical, especially if her opponent is Trump.

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    He only tweets his concessions (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:52:23 PM EST
    but never does so in his speeches.

    There's so much to say about income inequality . . . again . . . and again . . . and again. . . .

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    A person who seems incapable of (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:25:47 PM EST
    making a forthright concession at the outset of addressing supporters after a loss is <fill in the blank.>  

    Yes, that snub-pattern that Sanders has fallen into is irritating.  More than irritating ... plain old arrogant, stubborn, and foolhardy behavior.  One of the first things that I ever learned about campaigning is: The loser and the winner should be gracious in view of the importance of all the voters and the democratic process in which they engaged.  Sanders may be too into the "revolution" to have time for human interaction....

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    Stubborn (none / 0) (#78)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:21:48 PM EST
    to the Nth degree. Arrogant sounds about right too. And enraged.

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    Bernie (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by AnnL on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:46:42 PM EST
    Go the f*** away
    Re: Bernie's stump and post election result (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Cashmere on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:33:52 PM EST
    speeches (note I do not call them concession speeches as they never are).... Anyway, I am beginning to doubt whether he will, in the end, support Hillary and try to bring his supporters out to vote for her in the general.  He seems to really despise her.  Just my take, but you can't keep working your supporters into a frenzy all of the time by attacking her ties to Wall Street, attending Trump's wedding, CPACs, etc., and expect them to rally behind her to beat Trump.  He does not seem to be pivoting away from attack mode at all yet.

    Why is he so angry? (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:48:38 PM EST
    If I had thousands of eighteen-year-olds cheering me, the last thing I'd be is angry.

    ;)

    But he seems grumpier and angrier each week.

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    He's a curmudgeon (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:33:24 AM EST
    and don't expect him to change before the GE. He's not going to help a Dem. He never helps a Dem. It's just who he is.

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    I completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:41:17 AM EST
    Which IMO means he is now officially a threat to the free world.

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    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:50:49 AM EST
    yes, I wake up in cold sweats fearing for the fate of the free world because of that bastard!  He's a regular Lex Luthor.

    You guys are too much...too much.

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    Yeah? (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:53:20 AM EST
    Well think about this.  Donald would win an election between Trump and Sanders.  And starting right now Sanders is helping to make sure that is true for Hillary as well.

    Laugh your ass of you won't be laughing in November

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    I thought Sanders wins head to head (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:09:42 PM EST
    with Donald by bigger margins than Hillary.

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    Think that might possibly be (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 04:31:54 PM EST
    Because Bernie has never had a single negative ad run against him and the only thing half the people responding to these polls know about him is that he is running against Hillary?

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    Dukakis led Bush by 17 pts. in July 1988. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:12:15 PM EST
    How'd that big lead ultimately work out for us four months later?

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    according to 538 (none / 0) (#102)
    by athyrio on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:03:00 PM EST
    national polls this far out aren't worth the paper they are written on...

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    I agree with you, though, (none / 0) (#101)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:56:15 PM EST
    if he helped get Trump or Cruz elected by splitting the party.

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    kdog: Whatever (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:29:19 PM EST
    OTOH, Mr. Sanders certainly must be spent from spending so much $$$$$, because his statements are starting to resemble those of a typical jerk.

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    His statements (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:38:40 PM EST
    Are becoming republican talking points.  Let's be honest.

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    the Republicans are really ringing the alarm on income disparity, healthcare costs, education costs, and corrupt political and financial systems.  I confuse Bernie with Karl Rove all the time, it's like they're the same person.

     

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    Statements about Hillary (none / 0) (#88)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 05:20:12 PM EST
    sound like Republicans, though.

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    I think (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:53:14 AM EST
    they are referring to his enabling of Trump.

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    Interestingly enough ... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:10:55 PM EST
    he was the same with the various socialist parties he allied himself with.

    He just used the party name. Never got involved in party building activities.

    He's CV is also virtually devoid of alliances with issue oriented organizations as well.  Making him very different from Jeremy Corbyn.

    Bernie is political gadfly. He likes running for office. That's about it.

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    Sounds like (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 05:21:58 PM EST
    he doesn't play well with others.

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    Loved this comment, sallywally (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 06:29:38 PM EST


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    Thanks! (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:19:13 PM EST


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    Curmudgeon. (none / 0) (#79)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:23:51 PM EST


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    Gadfly. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:44:23 PM EST


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    Rubbish (none / 0) (#85)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 04:20:20 PM EST
    Analysis

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    I'm not Trump ... (none / 0) (#99)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:52:08 PM EST
    I don't consider one word an "analysis".

    ;)

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    Still watching CNN - Bernie campaign (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Cashmere on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:03:00 AM EST
    stating there is something wrong with the numbers in Arizona....

    It is Jeff Weaver they are interviewing... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Cashmere on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:04:50 AM EST
    He was asked whether Bernie has to control the negative tone in the room and Weaver just ignored the question and stated that the tone at Bernie's events is fabulous.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:27:09 AM EST
    that's a load of cr@p.

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    Naturally... (none / 0) (#37)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:25:59 AM EST
    wonder if he will make a stink.

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    Rolling Stone (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:48:43 AM EST
    Endorses Hillary Clinton

    "Never Trust a Magazine Over Thirty" (5.00 / 3) (#112)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Mar 25, 2016 at 08:10:15 PM EST


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    More evidence from Bernie's own mouth that (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Cashmere on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 02:16:25 PM EST
    he is not very interested in supporting Hillary in the general.   Granted, this can be taken as using his leverage as much as possible, but in the meantime, it only serves to rile his supporters who will be greatly disappointed when he is not the nominee (as currently predicted).

    "Uygur: Now, a lot of people in the--in the movement have decided that you are their leader, partly because you're running for president, but, you know, you look at some recent polls of millennials, ah, they have you as by far the most popular politician, but they actually have you as more popular as a person they'd like to meet above Beyoncé, okay? [Sanders belly-laughs] Now that's a hell of a thing, right?

    Sanders: Yes!

    Uyger: But! You have convinced them that Hillary Clinton is the establishment candidate. If you were to lose, and the Democratic Party comes to you and says, "Okay, now take this movement, that is full of energy and is against the establishment, and make sure they vote for the establishment candidate," what do you say?

    Sanders: Well, you know, what I say-- Number One, I'm not big into [air quotes] being a leader. You know, I much prefer to see a lot of leaders, a lot of grassroots activism. Number Two, what we do is together, as a nation, as a growing movement, is we say, "All right, if we don't win"--and, by the way, we are in this thing to win; please understand that--"what is the Democratic establishment gonna do for us?"

    Uyger: Oh, that's interesting.

    Sanders: All right, for example: Right now, you have a Democratic establishment which has written off half the states in this country, you know that?

    Uyger: Mm-hmm.

    Sanders: And they've given up on the slate in the South, the Rocky Mountain area--are they gonna create a 50-state party? Are they gonna welcome into the Democratic Party the working class of this country and young people, or is it gonna be a party of the upper middle class and the cocktail crowd and the heavy campaign contributors? Which to a significant degree it is right now. You know, I've talked to Democratic Party leaders and said, "You know what? Instead of going around and raising all kinds of money from wealthy people, why don'tcha meet in some football stadium and bring out fifty, a hundred thousand people; bring the damn Senate in there, Senate Democrats, and start talking to people--ask them what they want you to do. How about that?" Better? Radical? So, in other words, if I can't make it, and we're gonna try as hard as we can 'til the last vote is cast, we wanna completely revitalize the Democratic Party, and make it a party of the people, rather than just one of large campaign contributors."

    http://tinyurl.com/glksvru

    This: (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Nemi on Fri Mar 25, 2016 at 07:33:39 AM EST
    Cenk Uygur: If you win, is Hillary Clinton liberal enough to be in your cabinet?

    Bernie Sanders: Oh stop. Stop getting me in trouble here! There are other people that I would probably go to before Hillary ... people like Elizabeth Warren, for example.

    is like watching two juvenile fratboys snicker about "that girl": The girl they agree on is "the worst" and whom they never tire of demeaning (mostly) behind her back. Followed up by Sanders' mentioning of Elizabeth Warren as, is my guess, some sort of alibi for not being sexist: 'See! It's not that I wouldn't consider a woman for my cabinet'! ... just not that woman.

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    And yet (none / 0) (#107)
    by CoralGables on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 03:01:50 PM EST
    he's not a member of the Democratic Party.

    He's going further and further off the rails as it gets closer to the end of the line for him.

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    He is so (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 03:40:20 PM EST
    hellbent to
    wanna completely revitalize the Democratic Party, and make it a party of the people, rather than just one of large campaign contributors."
    why did he not join it years ago? He spent years watching it happen but said nothing, now he never misses a chance to virtually demagogue them.

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    The Last Hurrah or (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by christinep on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 04:39:34 PM EST
    giving it the all as we head toward the final primary phases.  Maybe it is simply a case of using the big stage that he needed all his life ... making each moment count for his message.  

    Sometimes, tho, when one's message has so engulfed the messenger that he can't see anything else or anyone else as an equally relevant voice, well ....

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    He is so (none / 0) (#109)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 03:40:20 PM EST
    hellbent to
    wanna completely revitalize the Democratic Party, and make it a party of the people, rather than just one of large campaign contributors."
    why did he not join it years ago? He spent years watching it happen but said nothing, now he never misses a chance to virtually demagogue them.

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    My understanding (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 08:49:40 PM EST
    is that the Arizona primary is closed and there are independents showing up trying to vote and they can't and that is part of the problem.

    How hard is that ... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:59:57 PM EST
    to deal with?

    "You're not registered to vote.  Go home."

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    Are they Bernie voters? (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by sallywally on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:09:52 PM EST
    He has a lot of Independent supporters.

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    I read that some are nasty (none / 0) (#29)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:54:37 PM EST
    to the pollworkers and refusing to get out of line.

    There was need to anticipate low-information independents, it seems, who did not know that it's a closed primary -- and to set up a separate line for them, so that voters who planned ahead could vote and go home.

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    In that case you give them a provisional ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:10:49 AM EST
    ballot. It will be rejected later.

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    Yes, that's what they did, but (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Towanda on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:53:41 AM EST
    that's why I say that they ought to have been in a separate line, so as to not slow down voters -- who actually could vote.

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    Long lines at voting places ... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:07:22 PM EST
    are almost always the results of mismanagement.

    Remember, the most experienced poll workers only do this once or twice a year.  Many are doing it for the first time.

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    Some are now saying (none / 0) (#21)
    by sallywally on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:25:23 PM EST
    these people were Dems wrongly listed as Independents.

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    They may have registered too late (none / 0) (#30)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:56:12 PM EST
    is what I read.  Sanders GOTV did not deal with the deadline two weeks ago and kept registering voters, after the deadline.  Well, they're registered for November now.

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    In which case, you can do what ... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:11:51 AM EST
    I said above.  Give them a provisional ballot.

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    Apparently that's what they did (none / 0) (#75)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:16:53 PM EST
    according to Crooks and Liars, but wouldn't that mean the votes are not counted yet?

    Some are calling it "voter suppression," which implies intent. I am waiting for a lawsuit against someone for trying to prevent Sanders ' s supporters from voting.

    The other thing that gets me is that now the panels on CNN are excited by the prospect of Sanders pulling it out. Hasn't anyone noticed how underhanded he is?

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    Don't worry about it .... (none / 0) (#91)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 06:46:37 PM EST
    Really.  I've never seen an election where the losing side doesn't claim something or other. HRC is well on her way to the necessary delegate number; and, the expected routine that you describe is meant to keep the tension going & the TVs tuned in to the hype.  

    As for expectations: The interim from now until the New York primary on April 19th are not predicted to feel too great for us Hillary supporters.  But, when all is said & done, it comes down to the numbers--or, as former President Bill Clinton stated so well in 2012 about the probable reelection of President Obama: Do the math.  The math is very, very good for Hillary.  Here is the math that I see:  Before April 19th, it would be nice if HRC adds about 80 delegates ... because the potential numbers for her from then on are huge (aka yuuuge) in NY, Maryland, NJ, Connecticut, and --especially--the 500ish available in the diverse Calif.  Since HRC only needs 600-plus delegates from now to the nomination, I'd say the math (and her progress) is right where it should be.

    Oh, no matter the math & the actual progress, I always worry, fret, yell, and moan ... and, 'will probably do so again.  Yet, it really looks great.

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    My gosh, I forgot (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 06:50:30 PM EST
    My dear birth & other home-state of Pennsylvania on April 26th.  The Clintons' close connection there, along with many visits to that state, have always resulted in very positive wins. (Remember that HRC lived in Scranton for some while.)  

    Go PA!!!

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    CNN is calling today Western (none / 0) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:05:38 PM EST
    Tuesday. Which, I guess, is better than Super Tuesday IV.

    Wolf Blitzer is quite excited about long lines at voting sites and, apparently, a lack of ballots.

    And, of course, everything is dripping with concern and distress about the Brussels bombings, because terror attacks in other countries are the most important issues in this election.

    Brolf is easily ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:44:24 PM EST
    excited.

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    Caucus site in Boise is very (none / 0) (#3)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:09:15 PM EST
    crowded. Lots of Democrats standing in line to get in to caucus site. Thousands are showing up to caucus.

    Salt Lake City sites may run out of ballots. Three Mormon missionaries were killed in Brussels attacks. How will this affect the vote in Utah?

    Hadn't really thought about (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:15:57 PM EST
    The last part.  Could it keep Ted under 50?  

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    I don't know. Both Cruz and Trump (none / 0) (#5)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 09:23:24 PM EST
    sound ready to lay land mines around the entire perimeter of the United States. So, hard to say who gets the " tough on terrorists" vote.

    Cruz's idea to basically turn Muslim communities in the U.S. Into armed detention centers may get him some Utah votes.

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    Cruz got way above 50. (none / 0) (#46)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 04:48:48 AM EST


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    Did they die? I had heard they were seriously (none / 0) (#22)
    by Cashmere on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:27:11 PM EST
    injured but haven't heard that the 3 missionaries died :(

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    My bad. They are seriously (none / 0) (#24)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:42:31 PM EST
    Injured, all three Mormon missionaries, but according to the most recent reports I found, not dead.

    I apologize for getting it wrong.

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    MSNBC anxiously trying to figure a way (none / 0) (#9)
    by sallywally on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:13:06 PM EST
    for Bernie to win...

    You can fix that, you know. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:57:37 AM EST
    Just change the channel. What's on TCM?

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    Well (none / 0) (#43)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:03:28 AM EST
    I do flip around but I tend to come back!☺

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    The surprise vote is Arizona (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:19:29 PM EST
    will be the total hit by Rubio. It will be a decent number for a dead candidate.

    They had early voting ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:25:58 PM EST
    about a month of it, iirc.

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    Yes, Cruz finally crept above "other" (none / 0) (#31)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 11:57:22 PM EST
    which was Rubio.  So I read.

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    Rubio defeats Kasich in Arizona (none / 0) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 05:37:46 AM EST


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    Score one ... (none / 0) (#52)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 07:57:14 AM EST
    for the Walking Dead!

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    Trump has been declared the winner in Arizona (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:24:25 PM EST
    That's a winner take all state for the GOP making Trump the big winner on the night for the Republicans no matter the outcome in Utah.

    Dem winner (none / 0) (#15)
    by AnnL on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:27:08 PM EST
    Have not seen Clinton  declared winner anywhere
    CNN, AP, NY Times have all (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 22, 2016 at 10:29:07 PM EST
    Declared Clinton the winner in Arizona.

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    Looks like Bernie will win Idaho and Utah (none / 0) (#40)
    by Cashmere on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:34:25 AM EST
    with huge margins.  Boise just announced their caucus results and it was almost 80% to 20%.  Lots of millenials in the room expecting their freebies (sorry for the snark).

    The caucus's brought out the (none / 0) (#41)
    by AX10 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:44:01 AM EST
    free stuff gang.

    With that said, Hillary will be the nominee
    regardless of what dead ender Thom Hartmann and his 10 listeners say.

    Since when do democrats (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:27:27 AM EST
    Say stuff like "free stuff gang"

    I want Hillary to win too, but we don't need to start sounding like Republicans to justify it.

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    This whole thread... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:53:37 AM EST
    is like bizarro-liberal world.

    And to think I was once excited and engaged in this primary sh*t...stupid, stupid, stupid me!

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    There is always (none / 0) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 12:54:20 PM EST
    Gary Johnson

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    The Weedman! (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:16:52 PM EST
    A distant second to Jill Stein, but I do consider him last time on this 4 year unmerry-go-round.

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    Well, kdog (none / 0) (#80)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:31:51 PM EST
    When you make the choice to limit your political options--e.g., only-this-guy-from-the-majors-&-no one-else--as you seem to have, it is stupid.  The ability to compromise has lots of good points ... in a constitutional democracy.  That should become more apparent as we enter a likely fear-based close-all-borders campaign from both Trump and Cruz.  

    Hint: Among the many positives of Hillary Clinton and her public service, there might even be a few societal advances that would be satisfactory from your perspective.  Hint & reality: The President's position and actions could well effect your daily life ... and, the very strong odds are that the options are either Trump (see also Cruz) OR Hillary Rodham Clinton. Sooner or later, we really are all in it together ... and, our choices do effect others.

    Finally, Missouri should be considered a worthwhile reminder of how close things can be.  What was the Missouri Democratic Primary outcome again? Approximately .2% separated winner H. Clinton from loser B. Sanders.  Years before, in the Midwestern state of Indiana, I recall a US Senate race decided by 1 vote per county (100 votes.)  And ... there will always be the 2000 general election and Florida ... the infamous & contested closeness ... and the "winner" George W Bush.  Eventually, I do hope Sanders helps us avoid the backward movement of a Republican president; and, I also very much hope that, in the course of time, you will help too.

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    crazy isn't it? (none / 0) (#86)
    by pitachips on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 04:25:48 PM EST
    I learned a while back not to question it as you won't get a real answer besides "Bernie bad!"...

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    Thom Hartmann lives! (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:13:47 AM EST
    I honestly haven't listened to him in years, because he comes on at the ungodly hour of 3:00 a.m. out here. Nice to hear that he's just as unrepentantly leftist as always.

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    Completely in the tank (none / 0) (#45)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:34:40 AM EST
    for Bernie, of course. ;)

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    Bernie would be on Hartmann's (none / 0) (#82)
    by desertswine on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 02:32:18 PM EST
    radio program every Friday.  Breakfast with Bernie, I think it was called.  Or maybe Brunch With Bernie.

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    That's okay, because soon enough, ... (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:20:18 PM EST
    ... his campaign will be "Weekend at Bernie's."

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    Yes (none / 0) (#84)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 03:53:31 PM EST
    brunch. I couldn't stand to listen to him then. I had to switch to npr. Actually, I can't listen to the show now. Hartmann does state we must all vote for Hillary if she's the nominee, but otherwise it's just how you can get Hillary supporters to switch to Bernie, etc.

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    Papentonio is worse. (none / 0) (#100)
    by AX10 on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:52:28 PM EST
    I cannot tell the difference between the far left and far right.  Democratunderground might as well be Freerepublic.

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    So, who saw (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 05:03:12 AM EST
    The crazy tweet by Trump where he appears to threaten to "spill the beans" about Ted Cruz's wife?

    Then Cruz had to respind, via Twitter, of course.

    Oh, lord.

    I didn't (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 06:43:10 AM EST
    see it but I'm afraid to ask.

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    Here (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 07:16:02 AM EST
    Link

    Lyin' Ted Cruz just used a picture of Melania from a G.Q. shoot in his ad. Be careful, Lyin' Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!
    -- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

    (You can see the picture in question in the article)

    This was quickly deleted and then edited and reposted, I think.

    Cruz responded:

    Pic of your wife not from us. Donald, if you try to attack Heidi, you're more of a coward than I thought. #classless https://t.co/0QpKSnjgnE
    -- Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) March 23, 2016

    For the record, it appears that Cruz is correct and it wasn't his campaign that put this ad out.


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    You know (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 07:41:53 AM EST
    I see things on facebook with pictures of Melania with not a lot of clothes on but in reality she was a model and that's what models do. The irony is so thick on that with me with regards to evangelicals.

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    Dear God (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by smott on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:24:00 AM EST
    What was it Frank Zappa said?

    It's 8th grade, with nukes.

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    I believe the person(s) responsible for ... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:44:46 PM EST
    ... this oddly appropriate bit of campaign slime appear to be affiliated with a political action committee that's allied to the GOP establishment.

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    General Election Preview: (none / 0) (#53)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:21:53 AM EST
    Clinton's appeal to "angry" (i.e. Trump) voters.

    Good stuff.

    lol. What's that, Robot - (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 11:12:44 AM EST
    Up (with) the Establishment?

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    Did you watch it? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:05:43 PM EST


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    It actually (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:07:08 PM EST
    was pretty good and talked about those people that have been "left behind" but I'm not sure they're all Trump voters. I know a few who are Obama voters.

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    She was speaking to ... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 01:19:24 PM EST
    and about (reachable) Trump voters.

    The racists are probably out of reach. But there are others that are reachable if you speak to their issues.

    Her tone especially -- one of understanding -- was excellent.

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    Thank gawd re "her tone."!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 24, 2016 at 09:50:30 AM EST


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    Donald: Expectations on Hawaii caucuses? (none / 0) (#83)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 03:29:15 PM EST


    I'll be happy with a 50/50 split. (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:28:45 PM EST
    The Sanders campaign has really been active out here, while ours got going at the end of February. It really all depends upon the turnout Saturday afternoon at 1:00 p.m. It's in the middle of a three-day weekend (Good Friday is a state holiday out here), so I have no idea what to expect. If older Democrats turn out in sufficient numbers, I think we'll be fine. We canvassed all of Hilo on foot this past week. Bernie's been up on TV since last Thursday, and we're just doing so starting today, but those decisions are made in New York so it's out of my hands.

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    Spending (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:40:03 PM EST
    money on TV ads hasn't shown to especially effective for Bernie.

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    OK! what happened in AZ: SCOTUS (none / 0) (#98)
    by sallywally on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 09:47:55 PM EST
    Voting Rights Act gutted, and AZ no longer had to get prospective changes approved, so they reduced the number of polling places from approx. 200 to 60! Minority precincts apparently were more likely to be eliminated, i.e., those more likely populated by Clinton voters.

    Can't spell CRAZY without the AZ. (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 23, 2016 at 10:46:11 PM EST


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