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Donald Trump's Fire

Hillary Clinton today said Donald Trump may start a fire he can't control.

Clinton is also using Trump’s slogan Make America Great Again as a vehicle for her message, which aims to take the high road by preaching political unity.

“You don’t get the chance to make America great by getting rid of everything that made America great,” Clinton said.

A protester in Ohio today crashed a barricade, resulting in the Secret Service intervening. It was a false alarm. Here's Donald taunting the protesters. He finally trashed John Kasich today in his speech and again said the protesters are Bernie Sanders' supporters.

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    So (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by pitachips on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    When Sanders attacks Trump you fault him for not promoting a "higher level of discourse", but an entire press release of Hillary attacking Trump is perfectly fine...

    I don't think there is anything wrong with attacking him, he is everything that Bernie and Hillary have said about him...but at least try to be consistent

    it's the name calling (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 08:41:46 PM EST
    It's how you criticize. I'm not aware of Hillary calling Trump names like "pathological liar." Considering my longstanding (14 year) comment policy here against name-calling, I'm surprised you don't understand that.

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    History (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by thomas rogan on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:21:37 PM EST
    The last election filled with rabble protestors in the streets and at political conventions was 1968.  That one didn't turn out so well for the Democrats.

    Looks (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:24:48 PM EST
    like the GOP is going to finally have their 1968 in 2016.

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    You might also remember (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 08:08:20 PM EST
    That it was the democratic convention that went up in flames.   That's not going to happen this year.

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    And btw (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 08:10:19 PM EST
    It happened because the party screwed the voters and substituted a party candidate.

    Hard to believe the Republican Party forgets that but we can hope.

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    You are correct (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 08:54:50 AM EST
    1968 was far Left radical Democrats attacking Democrats. Scared Joe and Jane Six Pack right into Tricky Dick's loving arms.

    Republicans won't be attacking Republicans in Cleveland.

    Any riots will be clearly from the Democratic Left. Great TV. Great theater.

    Trump is saying, "Come on. Give me a helping hand."

    And, of course, if Trump doesn't get the nomination and the elites give it to whoever, nothing could do more to heal the party and unite the Repubs.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 09:09:55 AM EST
    it looks like the radical right is rising in the GOP. Trump has brought it all out. It looks like the GOP is going to have their 1968 with riots already being threatened and the hatred of the "establishment" by rank and file Republicans.

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    Be sure and post (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:26:08 PM EST
    some comments when we can see that happening on the network news.

    The riot threats are coming from the Left.

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    It was a Trump supporter (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:42:36 PM EST
    Who is under arrest for punching a protestor.

    Sorry - your comment makes no sense.

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    An old man punching (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 15, 2016 at 02:29:19 PM EST
    a young dude who is gesturing and flipping off an old dude doesn't rise to or give the optics of what just happened in Chicago last week and in 1968.

    And the Repubs will not riot.

    The far Left. Maybe. And Trump hopes so.

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    I was just watching (another) (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:59:35 PM EST
    Discussion about the mechanics of denying Donald the nomination at the convention.

    I still find it hard to believe but the conversation is getting serious.  More and more people saying things like if he is the nominee it's no longer about the presidency, that's lost.  I agree.  It would then be a down ticket races which could easily be a tidal wave of disaster right down to dog catcher for republicans.  I agree again.

    Now, assuming it's possible they could do this, if you think there would not literally be blood in the streets you have simply not been paying attention.

    And in that case it would be remarkably similar to what happened to Democrats in 68.

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    Btw (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:00:25 PM EST
    If he sweeps tomorrow you are going to see it get very serious very quickly.

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    If he sweeps (none / 0) (#54)
    by TrevorBolder on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:02:04 PM EST
    Tomorrow,

    It is over, he will get the necessary delegates

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    Oh, but there's still (none / 0) (#55)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:07:15 PM EST
    the Rules Committee

    If they get to the point where they actually want to save downticket races, and they are willing to slash and burn the person with the most delegates, then yes, he still can be stopped.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:12:07 PM EST
    As I understand it he can be stopped.  The question has IMO always been, do they have the nads to do it.  I think he might lose Ohio tomorrow (Trevor could be right about a sweep) and if he does it's very possible he could be just short.

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    Also (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:18:03 PM EST
    I just heard a guy saying that even with 50% they could block it in the delegate selection.   Which is already under way.

    See above comment about very serious very quickly.

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    They have the Senate in play (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:26:00 PM EST
    And no strong candidate past Trump.  I coukd easily see them changing the rules to preserve the Senate (and Supreme Court)

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    No expert (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:28:13 PM EST
    But I thought I just heard they don't have to change the rules.   Just muck with the process of state delegate selection.

    It would be dicy.

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    There (none / 0) (#61)
    by FlJoe on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 06:13:29 PM EST
    is plenty of ambiguity built into the system, for example , 54 of PA's 71 delegates remain unpledged no matter who and how big the margin. That is the biggest loophole I have seen, but there are several different rules in different States.

    My understanding is there are "conscience clauses" and certain ways to use alternate delegates to get around the binding to certain candidates in some of the states.

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    Looking at all new voters that Trump has (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Mar 15, 2016 at 02:40:48 PM EST
    brought in your speculation is that they will vote for him only??

    No way.

    The Repub elites understand this and there is no way that will move to deny him if he has required number or is very close.

    They may threaten but they aren't stupid enough to commit suicide.

    Now, can Trump beat Hillary?? Who knows?

    If she keeps telling everybody in OH, W VA, KY, MT, WY, UT and IL that she is gonna get rid of coal miners in favor of "green" energy.....

    And then tell the rest of us that America didn't lose anyone in Libya...

    Those two TV ads are made and in the vault.

    And maybe the Trumpster has a shot.

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    On blood in the streets (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 05:26:38 PM EST
    In case this was missed the first time I linked to it

    Cleveland seeking to buy riot gear in advance of republican convention

    Just sayin

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    The snake (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:38:49 PM EST
    At the KC rally Donald just did a dramatic reading of this-

    On her way to work one morning
    Down the path along side the lake
    A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
    His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
    "Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"

    She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
    And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
    Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
    She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived

    Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
    "But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
    Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
    But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite

    "I saved you," cried that woman
    "And you've bit me even, why?
    You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
    "Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
    "You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in

    He did a great job.  Hard to say who he was warming and about what.   But it was effective and the crowd went wild.

    Sounds (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:42:35 PM EST
    like he might be talking about himself there.

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    Ya think? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:48:09 PM EST
    I've told that story here (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 05:09:09 AM EST
    It's used by criminal defense lawyers in opening argument in snitch cases. I wrote up my version here.

    There was a Rocky Mountain farmer. He loved all God's creatures. One time, as he was out clearing the snow from his long driveway he found a mostly frozen snake. He brought him inside and put him in front of the fireplace so he'd thaw out. He and the snake developed a relationship. A few nights later, he bent down in front of the fireplace to stick another log on the fire. As he bent down, the snake jumped up and bit him in the as*. The farmer, knowing he was going to die, was crushed and said to the snake, "How could you do that to me, after all I've done for you?" To which the snake responded, "You knew what I was when you brought me in here."


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    I've even heard the story told by (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by christinep on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 04:06:02 PM EST
    a priest in a Sunday homily.

    The lesson about misplaced trust has a timelessness to it, and the fable is always worth the retelling.

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    He seems t get louder (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:39:56 PM EST
    And more aggressive in every appearance

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    Looking for a video of this (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 07:59:27 PM EST
    I find he's done it before.  Jan 12th.  There are dozens of YouTube versions of it.

    But it's boring.  It's actually interesting to see that version compared to want I just saw.

    He is getting much better at what he does.  Tonight's version was way more effective.  Screaming it at the top of his lungs like he was at a N--------berg rally.

    When the new one is up I will link to both.

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    Nuremberg rally? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 09:03:23 PM EST
    Are you really making that comparison, Howdy?

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    Um (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 09:05:30 PM EST
    Yeah
    I guess I am.
    you probably need to see it.

    Are you .... Surprised?..... Offended?   What?

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    The video still (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 12, 2016 at 09:15:33 PM EST
    Does not seem to be up.   But it pparently broke Twitter

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    The video (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 03:15:51 PM EST
    How Can Trump Possibly Win the Election? (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by RickyJim on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 11:57:01 AM EST
    The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal survey found two-thirds of voters overall saying that they could not see themselves voting for Trump. Among nonwhite voters, the figure was 84%.

    A separate NBC News/SurveyMonkey tracking poll found that Trump was viewed unfavorably by 86% of black voters and 75% of Latinos. Overall about eight in 10 nonwhite voters in that survey had an unfavorable view of Trump, with about seven in 10 saying their view was "very unfavorable."


    Link

    Reverse Bradley effect (none / 0) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 05:21:50 PM EST
    Some of those saying they could never vote for Trump undoubtedly are too embarrassed to admit they will. Whether or not it's a significant number remains to be seen.

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    If only George Deukmejian were running, ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:13:09 PM EST
    ... rather than Trump. His fetish for prisons and capital punishment excepted, at least he wasn't an unbridled crackpot.

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    Trump has figured out that (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 08:10:29 AM EST
    the Repub candidate can't get enough of the black and Latino/Hispanic vote to make a difference.

    So he's trying to get the white vote that went for Obama in '08 and '12.

    Will it work? Who knows? But the more the "protesters" attack and try to disrupt Trump's events the better chance he has.

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    Easy... (none / 0) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 10:29:09 AM EST
    ... turnout.  Trump is getting out in the primaries, democrats are not.

    And while that isn't a good measure, and I not think he will win, turnout will make it a lot closer than it should be IMO.

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    "Donald Trump's Epic Neediness" (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 10:32:50 AM EST
    - Frank Bruni, The New York Times

    Commentators keep marveling at the way he "dominates" or "owns" almost every news cycle, as if what he says and does are all plotted in advance and part of some sophisticated, disciplined political strategy.

    But is he executing a plan or surrendering to a jones? Brilliant or just fruitfully pathological? He mints fresh insults to monopolize the spotlight, but that's most likely a spontaneous reaction to how cold and lonely he becomes whenever it starts to recede. Maybe he's a multimedia mastermind, maybe just a publicity glutton. There's a difference.



    True of course (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 11:13:41 AM EST
    I'm not sure it matters to the outcome

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    For you, Howdy (none / 0) (#20)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 12:53:25 PM EST
    An appreciator of the art.
     

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    Oooooo (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 01:04:07 PM EST
    You can't unsee that

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    Any thoughts on (none / 0) (#19)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 12:32:58 PM EST
    section 1752 of title 18, United States Code

    specifically

    ``(1) the term `restricted buildings or grounds' means any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area-- ``(A) of the White House or its grounds, or the Vice President's official residence or its grounds; ``(B) of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting; or ``(C) of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance; and ``(2) the term `other person protected by the Secret Service' means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title or by Presidential memorandum, when such person has not declined such protection.'

    Given that Trump is under Secret Service protection would folks who:

    ``(2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions; '

    be subject to

    ``(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if-- ``(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or ``(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118(e)(3); and ``(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case. ``

     

    Interesting. But . . . (none / 0) (#22)
    by Towanda on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 01:22:27 PM EST
    campaign events do not, I would bet, meet the definition of "Government business or official functions."  Nor are Trump events "orderly," anyway.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 04:12:13 PM EST
    All president and vice president candidates receive Secret Service protection 120 day prior to the election, unless they decline.  Trump and Carson (until he suspended his campaign) were the only Republican presidential primary contenders who received such protection.   Mrs. Clinton has Secret Service protection as a former First Lady.

     Trump is not (yet) a presidential candidate, his secret service protection was granted by the Homeland Security, but the primary processes and rallies are not official government business or official government functions. They are the responsibility of the respective political campaigns. Indeed, Caucuses are not government sponsored, and primaries are state-run/party functions.  

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    Not sure what a function is (none / 0) (#51)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    but from USC  "in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance".  I did not see anything limiting enforcement to "official government business or official government functions".

    In any case I got the impression the spirit of this law was to not just punish bad actors but to make things easier on SS agents by serious punishment for acting badly when SS agents were on the job.

    In the most recent incident where someone rushed the stage Trump was on there was circumstantial evidence the perp planned his bad act in advance.  He gave the keys to his car to his girlfriend before and their are claims the perp spit on his hand before shaking hands with Trump.  In any case I have also seen reports the SS broke the guys nose as they took him to the ground.

    Whatever your political belief it is hard to justify this type of action at an event where the main attraction has SS protection.  What worries me is while Trump is clearly leading in most disruptions at his event the more common this becomes the more likely other candidates will be subject to this type of behavior.

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    How about criminal trespass? (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 08:03:37 AM EST
    Not applicable at Chicago rally (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Towanda on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 11:01:13 AM EST
    as protesters, inside, had tickets.  So, they were not trespassing.  And outside, they were on public property.

    Next?

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    So if intend (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:29:57 PM EST
    to start a fight in a movie all I have to do is purchase a ticket???

    The things I learn.

    Got anymore advice???

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    Hmmmmmm (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 05:34:17 PM EST
    I don't believe this is off topic

    Germany's Embrace of Migrants Spawns Rise of Far-Right Leader

    NYTimes

    Posted to quick (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 05:36:33 PM EST
    Not unlike Donald J. Trump in the United States, she is also breaking open a political dialogue and liberating a new and impolitic -- critics say racist -- language in the mainstream.



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    Didn't (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 06:37:13 PM EST
    the same thing happen in France?

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    Yes, it did. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:05:07 PM EST
    And FLN leader Marine Le Pen was formally charged with using hate speech, which is expressly prohibited by French law. She was acquitted by a Lyon court in December. In the meantime, FLN took it on the chin in regional elections.

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    CNN town hall now (none / 0) (#31)
    by sallywally on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:06:30 PM EST
    Hillary is being questioned. Sanders was earlier and did well,  I must say.

    She is on for the next hour.


    I think she's doing a great job (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Suisser1 on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:47:42 PM EST
    of it and the audience, judging buy their expressions, seem so relived to hear her comprehensive, thoughtful, answers.

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    An realistic answer to (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by caseyOR on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:48:12 PM EST
    the question about fracking. Clinton explained what a president legally can do about fracking given that this is a mostly state and local decision. Also, given a GOP controlled Congress.

    She explained the ways a President can use federal regulations to restrict some things about fracking. She made the point that no president can unilaterally end fracking. The levels and layers of federal, state and local laws make that impossible.

    There are no quick and easy answers to our problems.

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    Poignant exchange w/the questioner who (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:40:08 PM EST
    was imprisoned for 39 yrs. b/4 the Innocence Project worked to get his murder conviction overturned. His question to Hillary Clinton--why do you still support the death penalty?  

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    She has it narrowed down (none / 0) (#36)
    by sallywally on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 08:50:12 PM EST
    basically to Federal killers like Timothy McVeigh, as I understand it. It was a poignant interaction, for sure, with the exonerated man. His face showed the horror of that imprisonment.

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    Her response was policy-specific (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by oculus on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 09:21:59 PM EST
    and empathetic.

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    I think she's hitting it out of the park. (none / 0) (#37)
    by sallywally on Sun Mar 13, 2016 at 09:02:54 PM EST
    Standing ovation.


    Fire spreads to Breitbart Media (none / 0) (#45)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 12:42:28 PM EST
    Reporter Michelle Fields and colleague quit after management fails to back her up on claim that a Trump staffer grabbed her arm.

    As long as no one gets seriously hurt and there is s firebreak around the general election, I am quite enjoying this. But those are two conditions that I'm pretty sure will not be true long, so I will enjoy it while I can.


    Will NC Charge Trump (none / 0) (#46)
    by ragebot on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:12:03 PM EST
    link

    Also being reported on CNN

    Not if they are smart and don't wanna (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 04:33:16 PM EST
    waste a lot taxpayer money...

    Oh wait. They're politicians so wasting money is second nature to them.

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    The (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 14, 2016 at 07:48:34 PM EST
    article says they are not going to charge him.

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