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Democratic Town Hall, the Late Late Show and the Rolling Stones

Bernie Sanders seemed very tired tonight at the Democratic town hall.

Hillary is on now. She was just asked about going to a women's college by a law student who presupposes that no one takes women seriously. Is this really 2016? Maybe the law student secretly prefers John Kasich who talks about his supporters who left the kitchen to work on his campaign.

I'm just as tired of the Levi jeans ad with Alicia Keyes touting women and Weight Watchers' "empowering" ads with Oprah.

What is up with these women law students and their "woe is me" attitude? Law schools today are half female. When I went to law school, there were 5 or 7 females out of a class of 200 and I didn't feel discriminated against. I had the same opportunities as every other student. My advice: Get over it. Pick a different career. Celebrate what you have instead of whining and maybe people will take you seriously. Stop feeding victimhood. [More...]

Yesterday, Awolnation released the official video to Woman, Woman, a new song celebrating women in their natural state. It also performed the song last night on the Late, Late Show with James Corden. (Video of their performance here.)

(Check out their video Hollow Man. I'm not surprised their fans know every lyric and many have a line or two tattooed on their bodies.)

Corden also had a good segment last night on the presidential campaigns (as he does every night.) Last night began with Ben Carson and John Kasich, before moving on to Donald Trump and then the best part, a memorial to the campaign of Jeb Bush, called "We already miss "Jeb Bush." (Start with the Trump piece at 2 minutes in.)

Also more interesting than tonight's town hall: The Rolling Stones played in Sao Paulo Brazil tonight on their Latin American tour. Message to Bernie Sanders: This is how you do 70. If you can't, then find another way to occupy your time than running for President.

Ok, so Corden and his Late, Late Show, which I just discovered last week, are definitely TalkLeft's crush of the week. They don't know it though. Last night he did a funny bit naming about 50 social media sites that you can follow him on. We weren't one of them.

While his four shows last week brought in 40 million You Tube views, consider that his carpool karaoke with Adele alone has had 78 million views in the last month. (Another very good carpool karaoke is the one he did with Elton John.)

So the topics here: The Democratic town hall, the candidates of both parties, law school, Awol Nation, the Stones and of course, James Corden and his Late, Late Show.

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    They both seemed tired IMO. (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by magster on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 09:48:28 PM EST
    Must come a point where sleeping on buses and eating fast food while trying to be upbeat and on point just becomes impossible.

    Meanwhile, the NV GOP caucus is a complete train wreck!

    And, Corden is fun. Enjoying Samantha Bee and Colbert's Hunger Game skits whenever someone drops out. A lot of talent in the late night comedy world.

    Samantha Bee is on fire! (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 23, 2016 at 10:40:37 PM EST
    It's awesome to have a female show host taking on this year's GOP candidates. I thought John Oliver did a great job on H2 and choice, but Bee takes them on witheringly and personally. As well she should.

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    Yes, I am loving her show (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:25:53 PM EST
    Very pointed and topical. The film with the Syrian refugees was great.

    Admittedly I don't watch news on TV...do any real reporters bother to talk to the actual Syrians? If so, how do Trump and others get away with their bigoted insults?

    Really glad to have her on the job!

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    Other thing I am watching, to keep perspective (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by lilburro on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:47:17 AM EST
    is VEEP. When things seem to be going wrong, at least they're not going that wrong.

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    We adore the Hunger Games skits (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 08:00:12 AM EST
    In our house.

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    Me too - did you see the Jeb! (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:26:23 PM EST
    I was rolling.

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    Yes :) (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 05:37:05 PM EST
    Colbert really gets into Flickerman character too. It's a little scary how easy that is for him.

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    If they weren't exhausted... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 10:27:25 AM EST
    I'd be worried about the campaigns using body-double impersonators.

    We sure do make it hard for anybody decent to even consider signing up for this sh*t.  You gotta be nuts (Sanders) or want it too much (Clinton).

    Wish we could condense this process...2 year campaigns are 18 months too long.  We might draw more varied and more talented candidates if it was only a 6 month travelling circus.

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    "Want it too much"? (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 10:31:55 AM EST
    Is that a bad thing?

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    No necessarily... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 10:56:17 AM EST
    but a cause for concern, you bet.

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    Why? (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:08:12 AM EST
    Does David Wright "want it too much" so we say he's a bad third baseman?  Does Obama "want it too much" to close Guantanamo, so that's bad?  If I am interviewing for a job, is it bad if I "want it too much"?

    Give me someone who "wants it too much" over someone who wants to make some speeches and go through the motions any day.

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    Depends what D-Wright... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:51:18 AM EST
    wants it for...does he want to be an MLB player because he enjoys the game and wants to be one of the great third baseman and win us a championship?  Or does he want to a MLB player because of the fame and money and Playboy bunnies?  The former you want on your team, the latter you don't.

    Does Hillary want to be president to serve the people or to serve her own ambitions?  The former is better than the latter, a little of both can be ok.

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    My opinion (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:52:53 AM EST
    She wants it for both reasons.

    I have no problem with that.

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    How ABSURD (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Cashmere on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 12:02:26 PM EST
    IMHO there is nothing wrong with ambition, and thinking that you can do the best job at a position.  Your skepticism is typical of those who spread false rumors about Hillary and have lead to the "untrustworthy" smear.  

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    Kurt Vonnegut... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:27:52 PM EST
    disagrees with you...but he was a socialist, so what did he know!

    There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president.


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    The Clintons are so ambitious! (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:48:11 PM EST
    They'll do anything to win!

    How many times did we hear that in the 90's?

    Thank god they were, or we'd have had two terms of Bush I followed by lord only knows what - Dan Quayle?

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    I'm so old I remember when (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:50:02 PM EST
    'Fighting Dems' was a thing...because it was such a new concept.

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    kdog, show me a candidate ... (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 02:18:06 PM EST
    ... for high office without ambition, and I'll show you a perpetual loser who's wasting everybody's time, including his or her own. Competition without ambition is for people who seek only a participation trophy and aspire to nothing better.

    Perhaps you ought to ask yourself honestly why Hillary Clinton's competitive drive and desire scares you. Because from my perspective, you certainly don't appear to be expressing any similar concerns about Bernie Sanders being "too ambitious," or the other men in the race "[wanting] it too much."

    (And please don't respond with the excuse that you supported Jill Stein in 2012, because Ms. Stein was a marginal Green Party candidate who therefore constituted no actual threat to gain the presidency.)

    I've known more than a few middle-aged and older progressive men for whom the very real prospect of a female president frankly gives them the willies. They've long supported the idea of gender equality in the abstract, yet when it's actually put to the test, it's pretty apparent that they still subscribe to the increasingly obsolescent notion of traditional gender roles.

    Ergo, the prospect of women competing with men (and perhaps winning) somehow becomes a threat to their own manhood, and is thus frightening and even repellant. They won't admit it, but it's there.

    I've even seen this latent sexism play out at high school volleyball matches, while listening to some of the fathers of the male student-athletes who are presently coached by my daughter. They're talking to one another, and they most always qualify what they're about to broach by reiterating their support for women's equality per se. It's clear that they can't quite wrap their minds around the idea that women can or should coach boys and men in sports -- even though they quite obviously have no problem with men coaching women and girls.

    I keep my mouth shut, because I don't want to create issues for my daughter. But it makes me angry that even today, women still have to endure these insidious double standards, by which they're ostensibly the equal of us men, but yet they're discouraged by us from aspiring to and assuming so-called traditional male roles in our society, because they're -- well, you know, women.

    There are still an awful lot of men -- and more than a few women, too, for that matter -- who really need to get over themselves, and finally realize that (a) what they were taught about traditional gender roles while growing up is of no real value in our 21st century society; and (b) our traditional notions of male chivalry were never really anything more than polite excuses to keep women "in their place."

    Aloha.

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    Her ambition and drive scare me... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:05:58 PM EST
    because of her cozy relationship with Wall Street.  Her foreign policy positions.  Her labelling of troubled black youth as "super predators" back in the 90's.

    My opinion of Sanders, and of course I would be way off, is he really would rather not have to run for president, but feels compelled too because no one else serious about addressing wealth disparity and a rigged economy is running for president under the Brand D or Brand R label.  I think if Warren had run, Sanders would not have.

    And of course all the Republicans scare me with how much they want this job, I thought that went without saying around here.

    The rest of your screed isn't worthy of a response...It's quite possible to doubt Clinton's motivations and intentions without regard to her gender.  

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    You may want to to stop drinking the kool-aid (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:35:02 PM EST
    She didn't "label" trouble black youth anything. Ben Jealous is stirring the pot with BS.

    From an article on Mediadite titled, "Ben Jealous Needs to Stop Lying About Hillary and `Superpredators'" (You can even watch the video of her quote in context)

    (Also see:"Black Lives Matter Activist Demands Hillary Clinton Apologize Based on a Lie")

    "If you don't know what the "Superpredator" theory was, The New York Times did a bang-up recap a few years ago, but it was essentially a junk-science criminology theory that foretold a cataclysmic wave of child sociopaths, and while Jealous is correct that there was a strong racial component to the narrative, his claim that it was "never used to explain the actions of the white young men who shot up Columbine" is belied by the fact that an entire chapter of the book "Superpredators" is devoted to that very crime.

    But fair enough, it was a racially-loaded theory (later debunked and withdrawn by its principal author) that was pushed hardest by right-wingers, and the quote that's been circulating isn't exactly a good look for Hillary. "They are not just gangs of kids anymore," the quote goes. "They are often the kinds of kids that are called `super-predators.' No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel."

    This is the evidence upon which Ben Jealous bases his claim that Hillary was "pushing" the Superpredator theory, which is pretty thin even on its face. She referenced it once, twenty years ago. If you look at the context of that quote, however, it becomes clear that Hillary wasn't iising the term as a broad slur against young black youths, but as a specific reference to those involved in gang murders, and she wasn't using it to advocate for mass incarceration, she was promoting something called "community policing"".

    And you still haven't shown what her "cozy" relationship with Wall Street has produced.  In fact, she gave a SERIES of lucrative speeches to some big Canadian banks that were financing the Keystone Pipeline (and who would have profited handsomely from the pipeline being built), and then,  after accepting their tons of cash, she came out against it.

    As Eric Boehlert of Media Matters for America said:  "That's the opposite of quid pro quo."

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    I drink Purple, you drink Red... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:59:47 PM EST
    I get it, Hillary is in a no-win, but she is there of her own doing.  Or perhaps more accurately, Bill's doing. She can't run the campaign she should be running that would energize and enthuse the base without sh*tting all over Bill's tenure and issuing mea culpas on several fronts.  

    It's a tough spot...which again has me asking why is she even running?  Is a lucrative career giving speeches and doing philanthropy so bad?  God help us if she can't beat Donald.  

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    Bernie voted for those crime (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by caseyOR on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 05:15:51 PM EST
    bills back in the 90s. Hillary did not. Of course, she was only the First Lady, not the president or a member of Congress, so not anyone who could actually do anything concrete about the bills.

    But Bernie could have done something. He could have joined Senators Paul Wellstone and and Paul Simon in opposing them and voting against them. He didn't though.

    So, explain to me, please, why the crime bills are such an albatross around Hillary's neck, but not Bernie's?

    Why is Hillary responsible for the actions of someone else, Bill, but Bernie is not held to account for things he actually did?

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    Thank you very much, Donald (none / 0) (#34)
    by christinep on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 11:22:38 AM EST
    Your general statement as well as challenge to kdog is timely, right to the point.  

    Briefly: The visceral-like reaction so many self-styled progressive men of a certain age display toward women with drive and determination and dedication--even and especially at this point in our history--is foolish, at best. A woman with ambition? ... well, well ... it must be that she has evil internal considerations and that she is a shrew and is just mean & nasty.  Wait, wait ... a good, solid man pointing out or declaiming the error of others ways in contrast to all the good that he will do certainly is a righteous and ambitious man ... it must be so ... just look at his gender.

    One of the more dismaying spectacles, for me as a liberal, has been the performance of a particular brand of supposedly liberated males who--predictably view women of real power as a threat. words about calculation, cunning, impure intent are flags for what would otherwise (i.e., a male counterpart) be pronounced as smart, purposive, focused, etc.  Thankfully, the unalloyed misogynist is not so prevalent may soon be known as a rara avis.

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    Sanders was clearly wearing ... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 12:16:40 AM EST
    a bespoke suit. It may not fit his populist image. But it looked much better than those shapeless things he usually wears.

    And they say no one talks about men's clothes in politics.

    Here is Bespoke's list (none / 0) (#21)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 12:30:18 PM EST
    of the worst suits of 2015.

    I never heard of Bespoke but I haven't followed the topic for years. When I did, Brioni was my favorite. The Brioni store in NY was always on my visit list.

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    The irony is that none of the models shown (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 01:52:51 PM EST
    on your Brioni link need custom tailoring.  They'd look great in anything.  

    A good tailor's magic comes into play when they cover up imperfection.  Nobody wants to know what's under The Donald's duds.  And as long as it's covered by sleek suiting, nobody has to think about it.  Same with Bernie.  Same with everyone over a certain age.  We can look great for our age but we'll never look young again.

    I've only had one suit made from scratch.  An off white linen, Bogart in Casablanca number.

    "bespoke" used to be the generic term for custom made, something you'd hear spoken in cut-glass British accent.  It's strange to see it turned into a brand name.


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    I meant it in ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 02:13:16 PM EST
    it's traditional meaning.

    I don't like Donald's suits. But they are bespoke suits. And do wonders for him.

    I just prefer the British to the Italian or French cut in suits. Most of his suits are Brioni. And Brioni is Italian with a few French influences. Makes sense, the company was founded in Rome, but now owned by a French concern.

    Though Donald is a bit of cheapskate. And some claim that not all his suits are Brioni. Some are Hong Kong knock-offs.

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    Bespoke or simply tailored (none / 0) (#32)
    by pitachips on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 05:42:12 PM EST
    There is a huge difference. How can you tell?

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    I agree that women have made (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 08:06:24 AM EST
    Great strides. But the ability to control our own reproductive health is being stripped away. It's a basic personhood need, and if Conservatives have been able to strip us of it this easily, this country isn't even remotely close to any sort of equality.

    I understand you're tired of the battles, but the war isn't over Jeralyn.

    Strong women are still shrill b*tches too, until a man can't just phone that one in we have a long way to go.

    win battle lose war (none / 0) (#37)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:56:45 PM EST
    The worst case scenario is that Roe vs Wade is overturned.  Then about fifteen states ban abortion.  These states already are very unfriendly with limited access to abortion.  Then Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros, or someone donates a big chunk to Planned Parenthood and you set up an "underground railroad" to get women from those states to states where abortion is allowed.
    This may be bad, but other things are more like catastrophic.  Also, overturning Roe V Wade, which was bad law anyway, would defang a lot of conservative morality money/passion/voter turnout.

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    I guess you've never heard of (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 01:50:19 PM EST
    The Lilith fund. It is already THAT BAD. I guess you missed the video of the Texas abortion provider also crying because she was unable to help a raped and now pregnant 13 yr old child in Texas.

    It must be a guy thing, this ability to unknow the suffering of female children and women while it's happening in your own country.

    But hey, party on...make America coat hanger great again.

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    Clinton's answer on the ... (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:07:32 AM EST
    speech transcripts was a good foreshadowing of the general.

    She refused to be put on the defensive. In fact, went on offense by extending the requirement of "everyone" to include the Republicans.

    And when pressed, she asked why there was a special standard that only applies to her?

    That got a BIG positive audience response.  Effectively putting the issue to bed.

    She's very good at this stuff. And it's why she will be so formidable in the general.

    (BTW, the transcripts, if they are ever released, will turn out to be totally innocuous. People will ask: Why didn't she release them earlier? Simple: You cannot let an opposing campaign dictate your actions.)

    I think most people (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:10:51 AM EST
    Would be surprised how boring most of these kinds of talks really are.

    Unless you wear a tinfoil hat and believe her speeches consisted of outlining to GS how she would help them take over the world.  (Cue Dr. Evil here).

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    Agreed. (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:14:58 AM EST
    I wasn't at her speeches. But I've been to similar ones.

    Her speeches probably contain some "humorous" stories about being a grandmother. And bit of advice on effective team building.

    Plus, other than some Bernie bloggers, is there anyone who really cares about these speeches?

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    I think (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 11:24:43 AM EST
    most people don't understand how this kind of thing operates. GS invites people to see a speech as a way of getting potential customers to come in. It's the same thing as taking them to a concert or out to dinner. They obviously thought Hillary was a good calling card for potential customers but however she's not the only one they thought would bring people in. My husband is in sales and this kind of thing is how they normally operate.

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    No, most people don't ... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 12:26:48 PM EST
    and I think the Sanders campaign has wasted a lot of time on this issue.

    In fact, it's starting to backfire. It's looking like they're making a guilt by association argument.

    And you don't want to open that kettle of fish.


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    What is up with these women law students (none / 0) (#11)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 10:57:02 AM EST

    Perhaps it's the power of assuming victim status.

    Not the "Evil Republicans fault" (none / 0) (#38)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Feb 25, 2016 at 12:57:48 PM EST
    Just saying.

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    Harry Reid endorses Hillary (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 24, 2016 at 12:35:05 PM EST