Bernie, Hillary and Pharell Williams in N.C.

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Thu Nov 03, 2016 at 10:17:11 PM EST
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Bernie Sanders campaigned with Hillary today. So did Pharrell Williams.

Sanders also made the case for a Clinton presidency, saying she would raise the minimum wage, reverse the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, advocate for equal pay for women and paid family leave and take steps to address global warming. He warned Trump would throw 20 million people off health insurance by repealing Obamacare and said Trump's campaign has been built around “bigotry.”

Pharrell Williams talked a lot about women. But I was more interested in this:

During his remarks, Williams said Clinton has made a “personal commitment” to him to fix certain “wrongs,” including a 1994 crime bill that’s led to the mass incarceration of African American males. “This country hasn’t always been fair to all people,” he said. “But I think Hillary’s gonna help fix these wrongs,” said Williams.

I have no Trump news to report. Mrs T used a line in her anti-bullying speech today that has only been used by one other person -- Marla Maples in 2011. "I believed if you could dream it you could become it." The concept is hardly original to either of them, but the only people to use those exact words are M & M. (Yes, it's hard to believe anyone would find either of them readable, let alone quotable.)

The lazy media gets worse every day with its endless parade of false headlines and articles using dubious information provided by campaign hacks and biased pundits.

The best thing to do from now through the election for you and your country is turn off the news. Drop off or mail in your ballot and be done with it. Why wait in line on Tuesday? Go about your life. Nothing that happens between now and then will affect the outcome. James Comey could announce a Trump Indictment (which is not even under consideration) or release a statement confirming Hillary and staff were justly cleared in the email probe, and it won't make a bit of difference.

In the end, everyone views the media as a warped reality show and no one trusts it. How ironic that Trump may launch a media network after his loss just as the media hits rock bottom in its election coverage.

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Beyoncé and her husband Jay Z ... (5.00 / 3) (#1)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 05:15:48 AM EST

... will join Hillary Clinton at Cleveland State University tonight for a concert and rally, as part of the Ohio Democratic Party's GOTV efforts targeting millennial and African-American voters.

I don't know why the whole (none / 0) (#2)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 06:24:42 AM EST

crime bill of 1994 gets talked about when there were actually worse bills that were done in the 1980's.

You "don't know"? Yes, you do. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Peter G on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 10:25:08 AM EST

It's the one that Bill Clinton can be blamed for, and thus, by the Clinton Rules, it is HRC's fault. Totally agree that the 1984 and 1986 crimes bills (which became law) were far worse.


Can't have it both ways though... (none / 0) (#12)
by kdog on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 10:41:57 AM EST

If you are going to put the achievements of the first Clinton admin. on your resume, you kinda own the dirty too.


I'm not exactly sure what achievements (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 10:57:38 AM EST

You are talking about. You act like she's running on being Bill's right hand or something. And I'm really sick of this $hit, it's like every man I know can't remember what this individual accomplished singularly because this person has a vag*na and married someone with a p*nis. She was a practicing public defender and child advocate. She has worked hard for racial equality all her adult life. She was a Senator and then a Secretary of State during some of the worst global turbulence in my lifetime. But go ahead, stick with whatever silly tape is playing in your head.


I was referring to... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by kdog on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:10:14 AM EST

the good things about Bills terms that Hillary has touted...balanced budget, internet boom, etc.

I'm well aware of her own accomplishments above and beyond first lady. Sh*t by my view Bill is a drag on her, not coattails to ride.

Dont put that evil on me! I'd hope you'd know me well enough by now to know the plumbing has nothing to do with my qualms with the vessel.


Well reflect on her accomplishments (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:19:36 AM EST

I know you, but I'm serious when I tell you that for the past 2 weeks men can't seem to remember Hillary Clinton's accomplishments outside of being Bill's wife. Which is itself an accomplishment in that she was patient, resilient, negotiable, and capable enough to work a marriage out with him and didn't just kill him instead :)

If Hillary was half the Killary she's accused of, I know someone who would have gone missing a long time ago


I have... (none / 0) (#20)
by kdog on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:34:22 AM EST

and I'm still skeptical. Not on issues of equality or women's rights, she's more than solid. But on issues of economics, foreign policy, drug policy. The 180 on criminal justice is welcome...if it is sincere.

Kinda like Kerry, I like the 1970's version a lot better than the 90's-on version.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Though I'd thoroughly enjoy coming on TL after President Clinton signs the Criminal Justice Reform & Mass Pardon Act of 2018 and say "Boy was I wrong!" I hope Pharrell got that promise in writing;)


: I don't know anybody who compares kdog (5.00 / 3) (#27)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 12:24:29 PM EST

I put myself out there when I was younger, doing whatever I could to help the underclasses. I didn't have the stamina. I have 1/10th the courage and heart that that woman has.

: Well, nobody (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 01:26:16 PM EST

is going to issue a mass pardon. There are some people who deserve to be in jail. However if enough changes are made in the house then I fully expect criminal justice reform to go through.

Right... (none / 0) (#17)
by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:14:24 AM EST

I didn't notice Hillary calling any white kids super predators.


Then you're not paying attention (5.00 / 1) (#32)
by Yman on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 02:14:18 PM EST

If you actually read the single time she used that phrase, it wasn't directed at AA kids.

But it's interesting that you think that's what she did.


Not what I was talking about (none / 0) (#19)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:32:22 AM EST

BUT while we are here, I recall the gang violence the nation was facing. I was working juvenile probation. It was effing awful.

A racist sound byte? Yes, down the road yes. But it was hell in some places and gang members did become super predators at times. Instead of nuanced conversation we got a new buzzword to push through legislation that is now destructive. But don't act like we didn't have serious problems to deal with at that time.

Bill Clinton also provided a lot of extra grants and funding to help the kids on the streets that immediately disappeared under Dubya. Hell, Newt and friends started disappearing those funds as quickly as they could manage.

It took awhile but they eventually got it done, stripped what Clinton had done down to bare bones lock em up. It wasn't always that way though.

Just like Tricare was awesome until the Republicans got ahold of it. Eight years later Conservative families wanted to blame Hillary and I had to remind them over and over and over again that this wasn't what Hillary had given them. The Republicans had redesigned everything about 3 times after she was gone...until it was utter $hit.


Anybody looks good... (none / 0) (#22)
by kdog on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:38:47 AM EST

compared to the GOP. Voters gotta raise the bar higher than that or Dem pols have no reason to strive for more than "Yeah but look at that clown on the other side of the aisle".

The surprise success of The Bern was a wake up call, and time will tell if it was truly heard or just paid some silly season lip service.


And I exercised my corruption too (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 12:05:31 PM EST

I was a hot chick then. And I was single. My mom died when I was seven and my dad was brilliant but had a TBI. I knew how it was to not have a stable home environment. Makes it a lot tougher.

But a corporate entity had moved into my town, and were working to get judges to remove "problem" kids from their homes...even pretty sound homes...and put them into this corporate group home. The group home claimed to run their own school too so the kids were immediately pulled out of society and public school and placed in a compound, but the kids were really used to build a do it yourself deck building system that they pieced together using scrap lumber. They constructed these wooden squares that were sold, and somehow you were supposed to piece these squares together to create a deck.....sigh

Well the municipal judge was a big cheater, and old enough to be my dad..but I worked it. I showed up every morning looking hot, and with an eyelash flutter and a smile, those kids came to me and stayed out of that $hithole. I barely made enough money to eat ramen, but for street kids when it's really bad the ends justify the means until they can afford principles.


Going by my friend's (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 12:06:50 PM EST

college kids that were Bernie fans they only cared about one thing and that was free college. They thought Bernie was going to magically make their college loans disappear. They could have cared less as white millennials about criminal justice reform or any of the other things that you seem to think that his voters cared about. They had no understanding that even if Bernie could get elected and then could pass that legislation it would not change one thing for them.


Not true of any of our three millenial (5.00 / 3) (#29)
by Peter G on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 01:57:57 PM EST

daughters, all of whom voted Bernie in the primaries. And all of whom are well-informed, issue-oriented progressives who are now voting HRC.


Glad to hear (none / 0) (#30)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 02:01:58 PM EST

that Peter!


: Not true of my millennial daughter either (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by jondee on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 02:13:28 PM EST

who supported Bernie and is now voting for Hillary.
These insufferable young people. You'd almost think they didn't need us to tell them what to do.

yes! this! (none / 0) (#53)
by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:01:43 PM EST

all my friends supported bernie and every one has already mailed in their ballot for hillary.


jesus (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by pitachips on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 10:47:52 PM EST

I don't think you could be more patronizing even if you tried.

Imagine someone saying "Going by my friend's daughters that are Hillary fans they only cared about one thing and that was having a female president. They could have cared less as women about equity in the workplace or any of the other things that you seem to think her voters cared about. They had no understanding that even if Hillary could get elected and then pass that legislation it would not change one thing for them"

And then you wonder why there is some resistance from some of his voters.


: There's not much resistance (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by Yman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 10:02:02 PM EST

... and I doubt any of it is because of a comment GA6th wrote on Talkleft.

I realize now, it's always going to be (none / 0) (#23)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:49:49 AM EST

A fight. We get good programs, some greedy evil sob is going to show up trying to exploit government funding, corral the funding stream, slash what makes it to everyone's kitchen table. Because worthless phuckers are born, every single day. One dies and one is born, with new ideas how to exploit.


From the reporting of the time, (none / 0) (#14)
by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:09:58 AM EST

cited above, it appears that President Bill horsetraded support for the crime legislation so that he and Hill had a shot at getting HillaryCare passed.

I'm not buying the shopworn implication that Hill is blameless in this case because she is often otherwise blameless.


: Well you might want to go look (5.00 / 3) (#21)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:35:20 AM EST

At everything Bill was doing for the gang kids before Republicans began slashing his programs. Violating the social compact again, creating feelings of betrayal for the young and out of options.

flummery v. reality (none / 0) (#7)
by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 09:12:46 AM EST

The chickens have come home to roost, at least for some people. Bill and Hillary Clinton have been taken to task for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994.
The notorious crime bill emerged from the gritty nexus of black suffering and partisan struggle. The president and his Democratic party exploited the legitimate public safety concerns of urban black residents, using them to frame and defend mostly punitive anti-crime proposals that would appeal to tough-on-crime undecided voters and white democrats alienated by contemporary liberalism. Justifying the legislation, Clinton remarked, "Gangs and drugs have taken over our streets and undermined our schools." He continued, "Every day, we read about somebody else who has literally gotten away with murder." Not surprisingly, Democrats rushed to claim credit after its passage. Senate majority leader George Mitchell lauded it as a victory for the party, saying,
"This is a Democratic bill. The author of the bill is a Democrat. The principal supporter for this bill is a Democratic president."" - Michael Fortner, The Marshall Project, 10-7-2015

Blacks Relent on Crime Bill, But Not Without Bitterness, New York Times, August 18, 1994

Some perspective on the 80s legislation and the Democratic establishment's leading role in making it happen:

Chair of the House Select Committee on Narcotics, Harlem Representitive Charles Rangel's Legacy: The Anti Drug Abuse Act of 1986

"I told [Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman, Strom Thurmond] and I told my Democratic colleagues, `I'll make a deal. If you keep your right-wing guys from killing this bill, I'll keep the liberals off the bill," Biden said," [in an interview about an earlier iteration, the vetoed 1982 Crime Bill.]

: Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 09:55:57 AM EST

has written pretty extensively about Biden and what he has done.

My husband thinks many Trumpers won't vote (none / 0) (#3)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 07:30:09 AM EST

He says they love acting deplorable, they love the stage Trump sets for them and going to a rally to act like a pig is fun for them. But he does not expect the vote to square with polling.

Course an old exhaustedAF soldier only shows up to work somedays cuz principles :) Maybe he lives in a bubble

They aren't showing (none / 0) (#4)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 08:20:07 AM EST

up in early voting. However there's no way to know whether that trend will continue or not.


I turned MSNBC off in the middle (none / 0) (#5)
by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 08:33:32 AM EST

Of Eichenwald because I have to watch a training program. He was saying something about the US shielding itself against Russia using cyber attack to affect the election returns. He claims they have been affecting polling too? He said they injected themselves via cyber into the Brexit vote too as well as German elections?


Well, there (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 08:53:44 AM EST

has been a lot of new pollsters this election season that have been messing with averages. I had thought it was just the GOP creating a lot of fake pollsters to make it look like they were "winning" on RCP. The propaganda in this election has been over the top. Repeat a lie enough times has been the mantra of the GOP. Since it seems the GOP has been under the thumb of Putin perhaps that's where the trail is in the polling. If they are GOP polls messing with the numbers then that could lead to the Kremlin.


Propaganda works (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Coral on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 09:15:59 AM EST

That's my take-home message from this campaign season. Also, the GOP is far worse than I had realized. Nominating and backing someone like Trump is beyond anything I could have imagined. That about 1/2 voters are willing to vote for this man shocks me to the core. And they call themselves Christians, many of them.


The GOP are masters (none / 0) (#9)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 09:55:00 AM EST

of propaganda it seems and they apparently learned from the master Putin. Let's not forget that Pence wanted to run his own state owned news agency in Indiana. That's straight out of Putin's playbook.

The one thing we can thank Trump for is exposing how bankrupt the GOP really is. The whole evangelical movement has been exposed as fraudulent too.

You need to look no further than our trolls than to see how effective propaganda really is. They never critically question anything that is fed to them.


The GOP tried every trick in the book (none / 0) (#35)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 03:02:01 PM EST

to nominate someone...anyone....besides Trump.

Unfortunately they didn't have Super Delegates so the majority won.


No, they didn't (5.00 / 2) (#41)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 07:00:41 PM EST

do every trick in the book. That access Hollywood tape had Jeb Bush's cousin in it. You know they had to know about that and all the other problems Trump has. Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. He just got the most votes which was around 40% of the votes.


But was it a majority... (none / 0) (#40)
by unitron on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 06:56:49 PM EST

...or just a larger minority than any other single GOP candidate got?

Was there a primary where Trump got 50% or more of the vote?


: It's called (5.00 / 2) (#44)
by Repack Rider on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:53:20 PM EST

But was it a majority..
A plurality. More than anyone else, but not a majority.

Oh yeah...100% a super delegate problem (none / 0) (#52)
by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 11:33:00 PM EST

Bahahaha


We talked about this more this morning (none / 0) (#49)
by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 03:56:17 PM EST

He has a point. He asked me how long the Iraq War protest at Crawford lasted? I said months. And the Wall Street protest? Months

A Glenn Beck inspired protest can't get more than 24 hrs. A Trump rally is a couple of hours commitment, he said it's deplorable tailgating. If they had tailgating outside the polls...maybe you'd get them there. He said the only time the crazies seemed to have any real stamina they had to bring their guns to be brave enough.


In Tn early voting is up 24% (none / 0) (#34)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 02:59:12 PM EST

Somebody is gonna get a butt kicking...but I sure don't know who.


Trump is slated (none / 0) (#36)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 03:20:43 PM EST

to win TN.


Who didn't know that?? (none / 0) (#37)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 03:51:58 PM EST

The point being, with such a heavy early turn out it appears that we're getting a lot of new voters.

Who are they?


It all depends upon who they are. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 08:52:54 PM EST

Tennessee requires registered voters to either declare their party preference or decline to affiliate. (Hawaii is one of 11 states which does not.) According to the TN Sec. of State's office, as of Nov. 1 there were 3,273,112 active voters in your state, and another 529,776 who are identified as inactive, meaning that they're registered but haven't voted in the last two voting cycles.

Of active TN voters, there are 1,040,948 registered Democrats, 1,031,512 registered Republicans, 37,880 Libertarians, 11,355 Greens, and 1,140,909 who have declared themselves unaffiliated. Of inactive voters, there are 150,744 Democrats, 126,124 Republicans, 5,631 Libertarians, 2,376 Greens, and 233,136 unaffiliated.

(There are a smattering of other parties whose numbers I have not included, because they are miniscule to the point of negligible.)

The Sec. of State's office also reported that as of this morning, 1,675,679 voters have either voted early or cast an absentee ballot, which comprises 52% of active registered voters, and 44% of all registered voters, both active and inactive.

I would further note that yesterday was the last day in which Tennessee citizens could vote early.

Aloha.


I got my figures from the local (none / 0) (#46)
by jimakaPPJ on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:25:11 AM EST

weekly paper which was published Monday but if your figures are right the number is astonishing.

But my point remains. The number of "new" voters appears very large nationwide. I am aware that large turn outs supposedly favor Demos but, and this is a large but, it was Trump in the primaries that pulled large numbers of new voters.

What does that mean?? I dunno. But to speculate....

Demos and always enjoyed a huge percentage of Black and Hispanic votes.... in the 90 plus for Blacks...80/70 for Hispanics. Given that the new voters, who are Trumpers, will be motivated to come out and Demos may stay home... Trump has a shot.


The new (none / 0) (#47)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:34:49 AM EST

voters according to the news are majority Hillary voters. However that might not be the case in TN. Those numbers are nationwide and new voters tend to be younger.

Here in GA we are having high turnout too but it's not in Trump's favor with Hillary leading by 8% in early voting. Here it's women voters that are walloping Trump and voting for Hillary. We are also having record turnout among Hispanics along with the rest of the country.


Bet at least a solid half of new TN voters (none / 0) (#50)
by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 04:04:16 PM EST

Are Hillary's appalled at these deplorables. I will be shocked if they weren't the majority of new voters.

A Facebook Trumpy friend posted today that the election is in God's hands. She will support whoever is chosen. But Then...she said it has been equally nasty on both sides.

I wasn't allowing that to slide. I posted No, no it hasn't. And one side is not colluding with Russia. And then my mil family rant kicked in. How has this KGB collusion been given a pass by any "Conservative"? I don't know when some of us will recover from this betrayal, but Mike Flynn destroyed himself! He is a pariah forever.


: She is in TN (none / 0) (#51)
by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 04:05:13 PM EST

Since all those numbers are from the ... (none / 0) (#48)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 11:58:07 AM EST

... TN Secretary of State's office, I would assume that they are correct. If anything, they show that early voting and vote-by-mail is rapidly becoming the new norm in your state, and a significant factor to which local campaigns must adjust their own calculations, timetables and strategies.


Depends.. (none / 0) (#38)
by jondee on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 04:11:47 PM EST

are they voting on the election, or is it another referendum on lowering the age of consent in Tn??


Not necessarily (none / 0) (#39)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 04:22:52 PM EST

You would really have to have some polling to see. They might be new voters or it could be like in Florida where the GOP has cannibalized all their voters during the early voting period and aren't going to have many to show up on Tuesday.


Melania/Marla? (none / 0) (#16)
by KeysDan on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 11:10:38 AM EST

"I believed if you could dream it, you could become it," better provenance: Dr. Frank-N-Frankfurter, Rocky Horror Picture Show--"Don't Dream it, Be It."

"a line used by only one other person" (none / 0) (#24)
by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 12:04:59 PM EST

I doubt if there are a hundred million people in this country who haven't told themselves and others the same blindly panglossian platitude using the same small set of words.

Marples' utterance can be criticized as high school guidance counselor pablum, but is it unique? No.

: as I said, the concept (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 01:17:15 AM EST

has been said by many, but the exact phrasing only by Mrs T and Marla

: When life seems jolly rotten (none / 0) (#33)
by jondee on Fri Nov 04, 2016 at 02:32:11 PM EST

there's something you've forgotten!
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing..