Saturday Open Thread: Non-Trump Edition

The Rolling Stones played at Coachella in the Desert yesterday. They opened with Start Me Up. The full version, including their entrance is below:

Mick Jagger may be the most unique, inimitable performer on the planet. He's an international treasure.

The Stones just released their first new studio album in a decade. It's a blues album. They played Ride 'Em On Down at the Desert show. Here's a clip of the audio of another song on the new album, Just Your Fool.

More from their Desert performance: Gimme Shelter (with Voice alumna Sasha Allen, who joined the Stones' "touring lineup" this year); You Can't Always Get What You Want and Sympathy for the Devil.

Here's a terrific video featuring Keith Richards and You've Got the Silver from Santiago Chile this March.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome, except Donald Trump. There are several Thump threads open for commenting.

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    Keith can never be forgiven... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:36:33 PM EST
    for stealing the melody for Wild Horses from Gram Parsons - his supposed good friend - and never giving him proper credit.

    The way those guys (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 10, 2016 at 08:49:28 AM EST
    burned the candle at both ends back then, Keith probably wouldn't remember stealing the melody, and Gram, if he were still alive, wouldn't remember playing it in front of him.

    Just now sitting in my chair (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 02:11:56 PM EST
    watching two football games, one baseball game, and some tennis all on tv, there's a lotta' stuff going on in my lagoon canal.  Across the water are four baby crocs basking in the sun, while a pod of dolphins came frolicking by.  Then a manatee came to my dock for fresh water, so she and her baby are sucking on the hose.  Mom goes first, and I need to remember to turn the water off.  There is also nervous water, which means something is chasing bait out there.  I was reading To Have and Have Not by Ernest Hemingway, for the third time in my life, but that is now on hold.  Don't even have time for a boat drink.  I love this place.

    Wow! Just Wow! (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 02:27:12 PM EST
    What an amazing afternoon you are having, fishcamp. And I did not know manatees could drink from a hose. Learn something new. . .

    Yes casey, they cruise (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 03:25:03 PM EST
    from dock to dock hoping somebody will give them water, and maybe some lettuce.  I always try to get the hose to the baby first, but mom always butts them away until she's had untold gallons.  It's not legal to feed wildlife, but c' mon it's just water.  Otherwise they find underwater fresh springs to drink from.  Unfortunately many have cuts and gashes on their backs from boats.  They rescue many down here.  They are very nice creatures.

    If you are lucky enough (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 07:58:43 PM EST
    to have read Hemingway as a young man, then wherever you go for the rest of your life, it stays with you, for Hemingway is a moveable feast.

    This concert, "Desert Trip"... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 09:04:17 PM EST
    or Coachella Classic is apparently Coachella for Baby Boomers. Stones, Neil Young (taking shots at tRump), Roger Waters (playing the Wall), McCartney, The Who, Dylan. Still money to be made from us older folks. I probably would have paid to see this set:

    After the Gold Rush
    Heart of Gold
    Comes a Time
    Mother Earth
    Out on the Weekend
    Human Highway
    Hang Gliders
    Show Me
    Harvest Moon
    Words (Between the Lines of Age)
    Walk On
    Texas Rangers
    Down By the River
    Seed Justice
    Peace Trail
    Welfare Mothers
    Rockin' in the Free World
    Words (Between the Rock of Age)

    Paul McCartney/Neil Young - A Day in the Life and Why Don't We Do It in the Road.

    Thanks for the link to a great rendition (none / 0) (#24)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 09:36:00 PM EST
    of Down by the River.  Neil's work seems to hold its value.

    Not bad for an Old Man. (none / 0) (#25)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 10:49:17 PM EST
    Still waiting for the Roger Waters videos to be put up.

    Hemispheric common market + open borders (none / 0) (#1)
    by pitachips on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 05:42:35 PM EST

    I get that you may subconsciously speak more warmly about group that is paying you for the benefit of a conversation but some of it was outright fawning.  

    I can see some of these causing issues with the base in the beginning of her presidency

    "There is such a bias against people who have led successful and/or complicated lives," Mrs. Clinton said. The pressure on officials to sell or divest assets in order to serve, she added, had become "very onerous and unnecessary."

    On Financial Regulations:

    "The people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry."

    To a Brazilian bank:

    "My dream," she said, "is a hemispheric common market, with open borders, sometime in the future."

    You've cherry-picked lines out of her remarks. (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 06:56:15 PM EST
    There's no context here, nor is there a link. When you actively search for some reason to be outraged about a person who you're already predisposed to dislike or distrust, the odds are better than even that you'll be successful in your quest.

    You're trying to read minds (none / 0) (#4)
    by pitachips on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 07:13:50 PM EST
    I'm speaking only of the political ramifications.

    I'm not reading any minds. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:00:28 PM EST
    I'm simply saying that When you cite only three lines out of context from an entire speech, you're cherry picking your reasons for sounding the alarm.

    There will be no ramifications, pita (none / 0) (#17)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 09:45:22 AM EST
    Everybody's attention is on the Donald and failing that, the red herring invoked in the form of too convenient "russian hackers."

    With the base (none / 0) (#28)
    by pitachips on Mon Oct 10, 2016 at 11:18:51 AM EST
    Of course right now everyone is focused on the election. But the day after Hillary is elected the conversation is going to change immediately to governing, policy positions etc. There is no way this just disappears.    

    To Don - for some people the "context" is that the comments took place during a speech the transcripts of which Hillary did not want to release. Politicians rarely make decisions purely out of principle. If the content of the speeches was non-controversial or essentially a restatement of Clinton's public comments, they would've been immediately released.


    Not necessarily (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 10, 2016 at 02:34:33 PM EST
    We've seen a press very willing to take a sentence out of context and twist it into something it's not.

    I agree (none / 0) (#31)
    by pitachips on Mon Oct 10, 2016 at 08:59:44 PM EST
    But's quite another thing to claim that every excerpt from speeches given over the course of multiple years, on multiple continents, to audiences from various industries, are all being taken out of context.

    One of them has died, and another is hospitalized in critical condition. Reportedly, the shooting occurred as the officers attempted to intervene in a family domestic disturbance.

    Update: A second officer has died. (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 03:03:24 AM EST
    According to a spokesperson for the Palm Springs Polie Dept., and per KABC-TV News in Los Angeles, one of the deceased was a 35-year veteran who was due to retire in two months, and the other was the mother of a 4-month-old baby.

    The suspect is apparently still inside the house and refusing to come out. The third officer who was wounded is reportedly doing well and is assisting in the investigation, which has since been turned over to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept.

    Palm Springs PD has only 98 officers and according to officials, the last time one of its own was killed in the line of duty was back in 1961, the year I was born.



    No situation more dangerous (none / 0) (#5)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 07:18:25 PM EST
    for police than a "domestic." For related reasons, give me criminal defense over family law practice any day of the week.

    The suspect, who has since been arrested ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 12:39:40 PM EST
    ... after a nearly 12-hour standoff with authorities, was convicted in 2009 of assault with a deadly weapon and served two years in prison. He had also been arrested in 2013 during a similar domestic disturbance incident, in which he had allegedly threatened a neighbor. Suffice to say that this was a young man who had no business owning firearms. He's now been charged with two counts of murder of a peace officer.

    Watching my Cubbies beat up on the Giants (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 08:15:05 PM EST
    Ooops, looked away and the Giants scored 2.

    Hoping to be up late a lot this month watching the Cubbies go to the World Series....I can't even dare hope they win!

    Might be able to catch SNL - host is Lin-Manuel Miranda, writer and star of 'Hamilton'. He has such a positive energy, I love his interviews, twitter feed, etc. Jeralyn, he is my James Corden!

    Cannot watch the Cubs game (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 08:55:42 PM EST
    tonight as I do not get MLB channel. So sad.

    To add insult to injury, the Oregon Ducks are getting pummeled by the Washington Huskies.

    GO, CUBS!!!!!!!


    Cubs win!!!! Beat Giants 5-2. (none / 0) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:14:37 PM EST
    Next game is Monday in San Francisco.

    The Cubs pitchers had 3 of the RBIs! (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 11:00:01 PM EST
    Hendrick got hit in the forearm by a ball hit right back at him. Looks like he is going to be ok though, he said after the game the X-rays looked good.

    On to SF Monday night. Let's wrap this thing up!


    6:00 4th: Washington 70, Oregon 21. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:03:32 PM EST
    Huskies BBQ some Ducks for dinner down in Eugene. It's their first win over Oregon in 12 years. U-Dub's for real this year.

    It just about kills me to say this, (none / 0) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:16:24 PM EST
    but the Huskies are very good this year. Very good. Chris Peterson is the best coach they have had in a very long time.

    Peterson's the best since the Don James era. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 02:06:16 AM EST
    But then, this is a coach who had an astonishing 92-12 in eight seasons at Boise State, turning the Broncos into a national power. He knows how to build and maintain a quality program, as did Coach James. And speaking of Boise State, they're also still unbeaten this year at 5-0, walloping New Mexico on the road, 49-21.

    And as much as I hate to say it, congratulations to Coach Mike Leach and our Apple Cup rival Washington State Cougars, who went down to Palo Alto and really stuck it to No. 15 Stanford, 42-16. Surprisingly, that game wasn't close at all. Maybe the Cardinal weren't as good as preseason prognostication thought, including my own. Or perhaps Wazzu, after a slow start this season (with losses to Eastern Washington and Boise State), are getting much better as the season progresses. Or both.



    Can't quite figure Stanford out... (none / 0) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Oct 09, 2016 at 10:52:35 PM EST
    but the Cougs looked decent.

    There might be a lot riding on the Apple Bowl this year other than pride.


    Like a Rose Bowl berth? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 10, 2016 at 04:01:37 PM EST

    Ever seen... (none / 0) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 08, 2016 at 10:33:03 PM EST
    a dog catch a duck? Bite down and just shake the duck with feathers flying everywhere - that's what tonight's game was like.

    Go Dawgs.