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Hillary Clinton Letter to New York Times

The Clinton campaign writes letters:

I feel obliged to put into context just how egregious an error this story was. The New York Times is arguably the most important news outlet in the world and it rushed to put an erroneous story on the front page charging that a major candidate for President of the United States was the target of a criminal referral to federal law enforcement. Literally hundreds of outlets followed your story, creating a firestorm that had a deep impact that cannot be unwound. This problem was compounded by the fact that the Times took an inexplicable, let alone indefensible, delay in correcting the story and removing "criminal" from the headline and text of the story.

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    I just watched Brian Stetler of CNNs (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:19:46 AM EST
    Reliable sources claim this is the campaign putting all journalists on notice. I don't know why he is determined to characterize this in that light.  Why isnt this/can't this be the Clinton Campaign setting the record straight?

    He also said journalists are the refs in political campaigns and elections. Hmmmm? FIFA refs?

    In a way (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 11:04:17 AM EST
    he is right. She's putting them on notice that she's not going to take this kind of stuff lying down.

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    What was the Clinton team supposed to do? (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by mm on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 11:48:27 AM EST
    "Politico's Dylan Byers reported that New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet "refused to publish" a letter from the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, which expressed "grave concern" with a recent flawed Times report on Clinton's email use."

    I think Clinton gave the NY Times more than enough time to apologize.  Brian Stetler completely botched the segment he did this past weekend on Reliable Sources, he completely mischaracterized what the story was about, vouched for the integrity of the NY Times with no basis, and ended by stating categorically that this wouldn't have even been an issue except for Clinton's use of a private email server which is completely false.

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    Arguing with the refs/umps (5.00 / 6) (#37)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 02:17:04 PM EST
    can get you ejected from the game.  

    But it touches on one of the biggest problems in the media, which is that that too many in the field believe they are reporters, journalists and finders-of-fact, but in reality, they are crafting messages, shaping opinion, driving agendas.  

    We never get the whole story, just the parts that lead where the writer wants us to go.  Oh, I know - they only have so much space, there's too much competition for instant information, they all want to be first with the story, and like the NYT, they worry about the details later.

    Glenn Greenwald did a piece this week, about how people don't realize how bad the media is until they themselves are part of a story.  

    Still, nothing drives home that point viscerally like being personally involved in matters the media is reporting and thus having first-hand knowledge of what is being claimed. Over the past two years, there's been extensive media coverage and public discussion of both the Snowden story and the building of First Look Media/The Intercept, in which I've been very personally involved. So much of what has been said and still gets said about those things -- not just by random online commenters and conspiracy-mongers but by the largest and most influential media outlets -- is just plainly wrong: not "wrong" in the sense of resting on unpersuasive opinions or even casting a misleading picture, but "wrong" in the sense of being factually, demonstrably false.

    It's so frequent, so common, that it's impossible even to note all or even most of the falsehoods because one would never do anything else. And even if one devoted oneself to that task, many of the falsehoods would continue to thrive because of our reflexive assumption that what we read from respectable media outlets is true even if unaccompanied by evidence, and because most people lack the time and inclination to independently verify what they're told about matters in which they have no personal stake.

    But it's a monumentally important experience for any journalist to have. It teaches a crucial lesson: It's simultaneously humbling about the limits of one's ability to fully understand complicated situations about which one has no first-hand knowledge, and illuminating about the inherent subjectivity with which we all view everything.

    Hard to argue with that.

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    Well Wolf Blitzer gave mad props tonight (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:34:39 PM EST
    To the Donald because the Donald lets the press have at him whenever, however, where ever. The Donald is not afraid of the press he said.


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    WWE (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:28:51 AM EST
    Refs is more like it.

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    Strikes and balls. (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 02:02:15 PM EST
    Hmmmm (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:29:05 AM EST
    In closing, I wish to emphasize our genuine wish to have a constructive relationship with The New York Times. But we also are extremely troubled by the events that went into this erroneous report, and will be looking forward to discussing our concerns related to this incident so we can have confidence that it is not repeated in the future.

    Maybe they should have just done what Donald with the Des Moines Register and just barred them from covering her.

    (Half snark)

    The Times got caught with (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:55:43 AM EST
    it's' pants down, no matter how you try to spin it.

    First Time For Everything (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 11:51:34 AM EST
    When you stop laughing...

    Pants down, did they pull them up at some point because the times seems to hold the record for rather large reporting 'errors', aka gigantic F-ups.

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    Can you be specific? (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:02:13 AM EST
    The NYT is theoretically a news outlet.  When they get caught spreading false and shameless propaganda, a bogus narrative apparently cooked up by an oppo-research outfit, how do you think the victim of a pack of lies SHOULD respond?

    Wait, I know.

    BENGAZZZZZZZZEEEEEEE!!!!

    The Fighter (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:16:43 AM EST
    Good for her. A solid, straightforward statement that illustrates the strength that is Hillary.

    The NYT has had every opportunity to issue a full correction/retraction/apology for the reckless story.  We have only seen reluctant dribs & drabs of variations of walk-backs.  It truly is unfortunate that the Times seems to have lost its journalistic way ... perhaps, this public rebuke will help Sulzbergter's operation find its way back to journalism.

    Meantime, there may be a positive aspect emerging here.  By not allowing the NYT to move along with a relative shrug about a major error, Hillary Clinton has demonstrated a model of no-backing-down resolute response when necessary. That is the broader lesson here, for those who want to learn it.

    The part about the criminal charges (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:31:59 AM EST
    being filed, when the editors went with the story despite the lack of confirmation by any other source at their disposal.

    Saying "Oops, we were lied to." doesn't pass as an explaination, YMMV.

    Reconstructionist is permanently banned (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:36:56 AM EST
    from my threada. He had a chance to take a 1 day suspension and refused to do it. He kept commenting after I told him he was suspended for the day.

    I'll put up an open thread so you folks can fight with him there.

    I must admit, I've never understood the blinding and pathological apoplexy which the mere mention of Bill and Hillary Clinton will evoke in some people, rendering them completely impervious to reason.

    Nor do I really care to do so, at this point. It just is what it is.

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    You're so right Donald. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 12:36:05 PM EST
    I just went through it again at my gym, when the "R's" were waiting for me.  One guy started yelling at me about how both Hillary and Kerry lied.  I tried to find out what they had lied about, but they were so het up they couldn't speak words.  I then pointed out a couple of lies from their side of the aisle, which is both sides these days, and they couldn't get past their anger.  Since they had no answers they got even madder.  It probably didn't help that I burst out laughing.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:03:39 PM EST
    I did this to a friend of mine yesterday. She started with the "trust" issue and I said she's a politician. Do you trust Jeb Bush and she said no. I said then why are you bringing up this trust issue then and she said well, I don't trust any politician but especially the Clintons. So I pulled up the Clinton Rules and she even conceded my point saying it was true that everybody else in politics doing it is okay but not Hillary. So fair enough and she quit with the trust nonsense.

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    I've been startled by the depth of the vitriol (none / 0) (#38)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 02:19:28 PM EST
    in some people's voices, (real people I know around here) when they're sneering-down president Obama.

    It's like something I said flipped a 15 KiloAmp switch; it was that explosive and that vitriolic.

    Of course, I don't help when I offer my opinons on the Saintly legacy of St. Dubya Dubya Dumbf***.


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    Clarification: by "around here" (none / 0) (#50)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 08:33:04 PM EST
    I mean real live human beings I meet at local town meetings, etc.

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    I made my decision (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:45:03 PM EST
    after he repeatedly refused to take a timeout.

    I personally find his comments incredibly stupid and uninteresting but that's not a banning offense.

    It's the badgering and insults to other commenters.

    That said, too many people fed him so I blame y'all too.

    But now he can enjoy commenting in Jeralyn;s threads and Open Threads.

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    And for that, I must plead guilty as charged. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 04:07:10 PM EST
    That's what happens when one dangles himself in front of me like a piñata, and I've got a bat in hand.

    Have a great weekend, BTD. And speaking of piñatas, it's nearly football season and I'm looking forward to your upcoming prognostications.
    ;-D

    Have a wonderful weekend. Aloha.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#46)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 04:52:23 PM EST
    we will finally get to see some offense out of the Gators, and all the Fl. pro teams seem to be headed in the right direction. Go Gators go Fins.
     

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    Reconstructionist (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 12:54:54 PM EST
    rather than this silly game of you posting and me deleting, go write your stuff in the Open Thread I created specifically for you and the folks who like to fight with you.

    I'm sure you will get feedback there.

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    Shorter version: (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 12:29:13 PM EST
    Dean Baquet, Executive Editor, NYTimes

    Dear Dean,  Please permit us to quote Adlai E. Stevenson.  " an editor is someone who separates the wheat from the chaff, and prints the chaff."   Congratulations on a job well done., Sincerely, Hillary.

    The letter reflects the careful and documented manner in which Mrs. Clinton always works.  In the case of media, however, it is often a losing battle, since the media is likely to make sure that it has the last word.  Never-the-less, it was a letter that needed to be written, for the record, in any event. And,  to codify thinking for its inevitable need and use in the campaign.  

    In a way, the letter may have done some good, already.  In what is probably the NYTimes' journalistic version of "make-up s#x,"  their editorial of July 31 does applaud Mrs. Clinton's thoughtful and detailed climate change ideas unveiled in Iowa this week.

    Although, the praise is qualified before long with " as solutions go, setting goals isn't much,"  or in contrasting Mrs. Clinton's proposal with not only the absence of proposals by Republicans, but also, their denial of a problem, the credit seems begrudging with, "Mrs. Clinton at least is willing to confront global warming, which her...opponents have been doing their best to avoid."  

    Trying to put something like this back in the bottle, may also recall Governor Stevenson's stubbing of a toe in the dark: "too old to cry, hurts too much to laugh."

     

    Perhaps News Organizations (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:50:21 AM EST
    should continue to protect anonymous sources unless anonymous sources give them false information.

    Yes (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 11:06:07 AM EST
    they really should out the source of that information as a warning to all other lying sources. But I know they won't.

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    How quickly we forget (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 05:15:42 PM EST
    Judith Miller and Scooter Libby.

    I would like to say that so many so called journalist are not journalist at all. They think they are because they have a voice and an audience but they are not Edward R Murrow reporting from London during WWII.

    I just listened to the Katie Couric and Gawker founder and CEO Nick Denton on Yahoo. It started with the Hulk Hogan and the law suit but then she got to the Anderson Cooper and Tim Cook outing. He felt that the inner circle knew about Anderson and that is was their obligation to let the entire world know also. Her argument was that wasn't it up to the outed to make that decision. Using that one thing as an example, I knew he was gay for many years and I was not in his inner circle. I had read it in a blog reply somewhere. It made sense but the main thing was I did not CARE. It was his business and not effecting anything in the world.

    I was on the newspaper staff in High School. Career choice. Each week the local paper, The Sun Sentinel, yes, the one in Ft Lauderdale, would give us an entire page in their paper. Pretty impressive at the time. We would write our puff pieces and 'interviews' with the sports hero but most exciting was that wielded power as people wanted to be mentioned in our articles including who was dating whom this week. Did that too. I really enjoyed the unlimited hall passes we had access to and being able to drag anyone out of their class for the interviews. I became an accountant but my first big job was for a newspaper. What I am saying here is that there are many reporters today who just like having that press pass and fighting for that byline. But, they are not journalist and don't deserve that place of distinction on legitimate news outlets such as the NYT which owes a big apology to Hillary. I'm waiting............  

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    Doesn't say much for Denton and Gawker, ... (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 09:44:30 PM EST
    ... if they felt it their "obligation" to disclose that Anderson Cooper and Tim Cook are gay. Apparently, some in the media are in rather desperate need of getting a life.

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    Michael Gordon still writes for the Times (none / 0) (#56)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 02, 2015 at 12:52:02 PM EST
    He was up to his neck in the aluminum tubes propaganda.  Miller was canned.  Gordon was not.  No idea why.

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    There's absolutely nothing wrong with (none / 0) (#13)
    by Anne on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:43:18 AM EST
    Clinton calling out the NYT on this story, but here's what I think the takeaways are:

    (1)  Those who support her will congratulate her for not allowing the NYT to use her as a doormat.

    (2)  Those who don't support her will jeer the latent hypocrisy of her wanting the NYT to adhere to a standard of truth-telling and accountability that it doesn't appear she always holds herself to.  Please note that I'm not saying or suggesting she lies - I'm saying that when it takes days or weeks to trickle out all the facts of a particular situation, it feels like dissembling and stalling for time.

    (3)  I wouldn't look for the NYT and the reporters covering Clinton to be shaking in their journalistic boots, nor would I look for more favorable reporting.  The NYT isn't going to be a doormat, either, and it - and every other media outlet - is always going to have the advantage of putting stuff out there that may not be adequately or accurately sourced.

    Bottom line for me is that I really don't think it will serve Clinton well to be on the defensive all the time - and this is the kind of thing that can trigger that position; it sucks too much energy out of the campaign, and drowns out whatever positive message she's trying to send.

    I think time will tell whether this form of response is as good for her as some people seem to believe it will be.

    The Press' Advantage (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by christinep on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 11:46:24 AM EST
    The press does have the advantage in most cases.  So, as you suggest, confronting the press has risks.  That is why, I think, that any politician's clash with the press--particularly, certain publications regarded as leaders in the industry--should be strategically limited.

     What may work to limit the Clinton decision to engage here is the outline and direction of the letter itself ...i.e., she did not throw the "kitchen sink."  The letter conveys a firmness about the treatment of one issue; it communicates genuine, strong disagreement about that issue in a controlled way; and, it doesn't entirely slam the door. As to the relationship with NYT, it is up to that publication at this point.  Whatever happens, tho, the manner and delivery of the letter guarantees that less than subtle retaliation by the paper will be noticed, decried, and then some.  

    I'm guessing that--after years of NYT's curious treatment, beginning with "Whitewater"--Clinton decided to take a calculated risk that the NYT had overplayed its hand, with a resultant temporary advantage shift.  Maybe so, maybe not.  One thing we also know about the newspaper business today is that they need to increase or, at least, hold their subscribers.  So .... who knows but that many of the profiled NYT subscribers and supporters may admire, respect Hillary Clinton; and, who knows but that the potential loss of their revenue in that area might cause even the NYT to reconsider the present error prone direction.  

    Surely, the press community won't take kindly to the public rebuke of the NYT by Clinton.  There is, however, short term practicality to consider.  In that regard, Hillary has an audience too.  I'm guessing again that a good portion of that audience will be energized by a leader with the gumption to act in the direct, albeit limited way in which she has done.

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    the free market . . . (none / 0) (#14)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    I don't particularly like Hilary,
    but it seems that the NYT has treated her quite poorly

     . . . . and I don't support lies, falsehoods or injustice even against political idiots . . .

    and it seems that the NYT also handled the Iraq War intelligence quite poorly 12 years ago or whenever . . .

    On her part, why not a letter stating publicly that

    1. the NYT appears to let editorial biases corrupt their news department, to the point of not checking facts and not promptly correcting them;
    2. request an explanation for the delay in correcting the obvious error or face a possible suit a la Trump;
    3. mention another national news source which has not engaged in the false reporting and suggest that it is more reliable than the NYT;

    I'd tell the NYT
    provide a good explanation as to why you did not promptly correct the story, or I will sue;

    and you sue them, not with the expectation of winning, but for the purpose of destroying or damaging their credibility . . . and showing that they have no good reason for not correcting their errors, but they do so anyway . . .

    When you sue, you can win in court . . .  and you can also "lose" in court (or have the case dismissed) and at the same time "win" in the court of public opinion.

    Let the NYT go to court with the xplanation that they knowingly published what is false . . . and that they wilfully refused for several days to correct what they knew to be false . . .

    and that their defense for their conduct is that Hilary can't prove actual malice!

    At least Trump has the right idea about people who say things that are false about him . . .

    on 2016 (none / 0) (#15)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 10:50:41 AM EST
    I have no plans to vote for anyone in 2016 and did not vote for the last batch of pres elections  . . .

    Let Hilary go after NYT for publishing what is false and not correcting it,
    even if she loses in court,

    and she would have my gratitude and the gratitude of many to follow . . .

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    You are defaulting re future SCOTUS (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:14:24 PM EST
    Vacancies.  Ill-advised.  

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    Observations: Ms. Palmieri is verbose,* (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:11:20 PM EST
    Favors the word "egregious", and uses "lead" in preference to "lede".  She reveals The Times' contacts w/the Clinton campaign prior to publication (interesting!!) but faults the paper for misleading the campaign on when the paper would publish the story.  

    * Did Bill Clinton help write this letter?

    Subtle: (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:18:26 PM EST
    The New York Times is arguably the most important news outlet in the world ....


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    Rhetoric 101 (none / 0) (#39)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 02:26:13 PM EST
    Interesting: (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:32:03 PM EST
    This was, to put it mildly, an egregious breach of the process that should occur when a major newspaper like the Times is pursuing a story of this magnitude. Not only did the Times fail to engage in a proper discussion with the campaign ahead of publication;...
     [Italics added.]

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    I would think that SOP (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 04:44:18 PM EST
    for breaking a big story is to al least go through the formality of getting a reaction from the subject of the story before publication.

    That the NYT didn't bother is the dog that didn't bark in the moonlight.

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    Apparently the Clinton campaign posted the (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 05:17:26 PM EST
    letter on it's website. Did the campaign also send it to the NYT editor?  Although other news organizations are covering rhe letter, the NYT has not yet mentioned, much less posted it.  

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    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 05:53:41 PM EST
    From the Washington Post

    The campaign told Politico that it decided to publish the letter publicly after the Times declined to run it earlier this week.



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    I never understood (none / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Sat Aug 01, 2015 at 09:06:20 AM EST
    what the hell "lede" meant.   It sounds like a made up word journalists use to make them sound more important.

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    Here's (none / 0) (#54)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Aug 01, 2015 at 10:04:35 AM EST
    an explanation.

    FWIW, American spelling wasn't codified before Noah Webster compiled his dictionary.  I'd thought that the word was a relic of times when Jefferson spelled knowledge 'knolege' (1817).  Not so, according to this guy, who writes that the word first appeared in the 1970s.

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    Yep, journos (none / 0) (#55)
    by MKS on Sat Aug 01, 2015 at 03:25:10 PM EST
    just made it up in the 1970s....

     

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    Hopefully, you have another liberal (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:17:13 PM EST
    blog in mind, as your welcome here is evaporating.

    This comment was formerly a reply to (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:27:45 PM EST
    Recon.  

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    ? Is this to a deleted comment? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by nycstray on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:35:31 PM EST
    Really (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 01:38:58 PM EST
    he apparently has zero respect for BTD.

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    Funny (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 03:12:55 PM EST
    because we would say your lack of dealing with facts makes us laugh and make fun of you. Your meltdowns are the source of jokes. Thanks for the humor.

    Please listen to BTD, and take this ... (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jul 31, 2015 at 04:14:28 PM EST
    ... to the Open Thread as he requested, before you find yourself banned from TL altogether.