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Trump Has Double Digit Lead

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 11:15:18 AM EST
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Donald Trump has a double digit lead in the polls over his rivals.

According to a new ABC News/Washington Post national poll, Trump has the support of 24 percent of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents — 11 points higher than Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (13 percent) and 12 points ahead of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

When does the joke go too far? According to the Des Moines Register, which has called for him to drop out, it already has.

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    We should remember... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 11:51:38 AM EST
    Ronnie Raygun was a GOP laughingstock nationally  too in '76, till he became president in '80 and was the catalyst for 35 years of working/middle class decline.

    Now Trump is a bigger joke than Reagan ever was, but the citizenry is getting funnier too.  

    I can't see any way Trump could win the presidency, but I said that about Bush in '04.  Ya never know...I think we need to root for Rand as the least offensive GOP option, as a hedge should Brand D somehow snatch defeat from the jaws of surefire victory.

    Some sorry times we're living in (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:26:42 PM EST
    when Mr Deregulate Everything is the least offensive option..

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:40:17 PM EST
    but I'll be damned if there's another clown in the car with any redeeming qualities...at least Rand makes sense on drug and criminal justice policy and civil liberties.  Knick knack paddy whack give this doggy dem bones, worse comes to worse.

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    Ah, Rand (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by christinep on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:33:26 PM EST
    The Libertarian who doesn't believe in regulation--as to Civil Rights, healthcare, business, environment, education, Social Security, or anything but abortion, I believe--is mostly the worst kind of let-most-any-big-money-guy-like-Koch do whatever he/she wants.  And, Rand, the one who can't quite decide now where he is on foreign policy as he tries to submerge his isolationist views into the hawkish approach of his party.

    Sure, when it comes to justice reform, he is way ahead of most.  That is important to you, kdog ... I understand.  For me, that is an issue whose time has come; as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are forthrightly stating, justice reform must be addressed.  

    Since I am not a one-issue voter, I can give Rand a potential plus in the area of concern to you ... but, as the arrogant and aloof character he has revealed himself to be when it comes to the many issues that government must address, he would be an abject failure.  Not as bad as a Scott Walker in the mean-cruel. let-them-eat-cake department ... but, not far behind the worst of them.

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    If he wasn't willing (none / 0) (#8)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:50:48 PM EST
    to compromise with the tough-on-crime folks, the neocon hawks, the Fundies etc I would think he'd be running as a Libertarian and not a Republican..

    The very fact that he registers under the big R tells me that he's not a man who walks his purist talk in all situations..

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    No doubt... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 01:15:45 PM EST
    At least my boy Bernie has the self-respect to call himself an Independent, and lumps in with Democrats by default.  Rand chose the Scarlet Letter "R".

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    Come On... (none / 0) (#12)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 01:39:38 PM EST
    ...are you seriously suggesting Reagan, GWB, and Trump are all one in the same ?  Trump has one thing they never did, that is a ceiling, much like Bachmann 4 years ago.

    The idiots could not get enough of her until they realized a black man is going to remain in the White House if they stick with their feel good candidate.

    Speaking of Rand:

    Just a year ago, if he wasn't considered a leading prospective presidential candidate, he certainly was an interesting one -- given his libertarianism and less-hawkish views on foreign policy. But now that the presidential contest is well under way, Rand Paul has gone missing -- both figuratively and literally -- from a big part of the 2016 conversation.

    "What the hell happened to Rand Paul?" asked prominent conservative writer Erick Erickson.




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    Not the same... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 01:46:58 PM EST
    but I see a slight resemblance between Trump '16 and Reagan '76.  A lunatic in '76 was running the asylum by '80. I'm not so bold as to say it can't happen again.

    Granted, Reagan & G-Dub ran US states while Trump ran casinos into the ground and did reality TV...but still, be careful what we wish for.  It's all fun and games till our country elects another nincompoop...and we have a track record of doing just that.

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    I don't see any similarity at all ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:08:12 PM EST
    ... between Ronald Reagan's 1976 campaign and Donald Trump's current bandwagon. I was a high school freshman that year. For a challenger to an incumbent president, that was a very professional and well-run campaign and one which came very close to succeeding.

    As an insurgent candidate, Reagan chose his words and statements thoughtfully and very deliberately. His message resonated across a wide swath of the Republican Party, and had the '76 GOP convention held a delegate vote by secret ballot, he likely would have ousted President Gerald Ford.

    Trump, on the other hand, is a professional hemorrhoid who delights in flinging poo at various targets to see what sticks. Unlike Reagan, he hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting elected president, because while his type of candidness may resonate with wingbats, to most everyone else he's mean-spirited and obnoxious.

    Aloha.

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    Reagan was many things (none / 0) (#20)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:52:03 PM EST
      but, first, far from a laughingstock or a joke. He nearly beat Ford in 76 and the "Establishment" wing of the Party was much stronger then (In many   respects 1976 Establishment Republicans were to the Left of the Southern Democrats of the time  who were still a force then, not to mention today's "Centrist" Democrats).

      More saliently, no matter what anyone thinks of his politics or intellect, Reagan was a great campaigner able to appeal to people across a broad spectrum. I know it de rigueur here to construct  cardboard caricatures of the opposition to use for dart practice. If anything, Regan should be a seminal example of not patronizingly underestimating the opposition because he whipped everyone.

       Now, you might say that following my own argument means I should respect Trump and not write him off.. That would be a valid point if the man were not a buffoonish jackass  with an inherently limited audience receptive to his act.

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    That's what I mean... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:27:38 PM EST
    to the GOP establishment, Reagan was a joke in '76.  Extremist fringe, hippie-kickin', dog-whistlin' clown.  

    To the voting public otoh, well we all know what happened, sh*t half the Democrats in the country loved his routine.  

    And if you put any stock in these polls, Trump's routine is having a similar effect.  

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    Reagan was an ideal candidate (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 01:02:08 PM EST
    for amnesiac, A Face In The Crowd voters who were attracted to his affability and who apparently had their heads up their as*es during the time when he was red baiting people for promoting national healthcare..

    I've been a sucker for couple of things in my life, but I saw that terminally non-substantial chump coming from a thousand miles way.

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    What's the limit? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:38:54 PM EST
      Now, you might say that following my own argument means I should respect Trump and not write him off.. That would be a valid point if the man were not a buffoonish jackass  with an inherently limited audience receptive to his act.

    24% of GOPers/leaners and climbing ...

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    as i said (none / 0) (#37)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:45:59 PM EST
     He's peaking now and even in the extraordinarily unlikely event he can maintain 25% of the GOP vote that's not enough to win anything. Sit back and enjoy the spectacle of him damaging them with the only questions how badly and for how long, but don't worry (or hope, if you are perverse) that he's a real threat to be the nominee.

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    As long as 16 Republucans are in the (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 05:57:00 PM EST
    Clown Car, 24% gets him the GOP nomination.

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    Yeah, (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:01:34 PM EST
    and who's to say that once some of the others start dropping out he's not going to get their voters? He has the bombast like Christie. He has the crazy like Cruz and Walker.

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    I fell asleep watching Graham's response (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:09:52 PM EST
    I fell asleep watching Kasich announce too.  And there is no juice a brainwashed Republican base can get out of the other 15.  The base has been fed toxic rhetoric for years to the point that solutions are evil, being oppositional defiant and anti-social is patriotism and is the only thing remaining that they can get any endorphins from.  Thanks Fox News, you having mentally and emotionally broken the GOP base.  They really are reptilian in thought, action, everything now.

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    The only way Graham or Kasich (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    will get any media attention is to fall down a well.

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    If that happens (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 02:57:36 AM EST
    then it will be all about Lassie . . .

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    I have just the Lassie for the job (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 07:36:23 AM EST
    substitute "republican" for "child"

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    Who can whup the Donald? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:23:00 PM EST
    Jeb Bush has been like warm 2% every time I've heard him in the past 3 months. He has nothing he can really talk about or stand for.

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    That number will shrink. (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:04:32 PM EST
    know why?  Money.

    Trump has basically taken the Republican Party hostage.  Make me the nominee or I will kill you chances.

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    I don't think he's taken them hostage at all (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:20:09 PM EST
    They interviewed people who went to his event.  One woman said she loved him..he told the truth (I can't even explain such a response).  Another woman said he scared her but she came to see him because he's a celebrity.  And my favorite, the veteran, the veteran said he was disappointed in what the Donald said about McCain but only disappointed.  It wasn't a deal breaker though he said, the Donald hadn't reached deal breaker yet.

    Newt got overly fubar intellectualizing and the turnips fell off his truck. Donald Trump still has them in the palm of his hand.  All he needs to do is make a little more sense tomorrow, and the day after that they might be a little disappointed but they'll wait for him to make sense again.

    Has done a debate?  I can't remember.

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    I don't mean his followers (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:33:18 PM EST
    i mean the party.  The establishment.

    To them he is saying let me take the nomination or else.  And the gun is loaded.

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    I think there might be a shootout (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:40:46 PM EST
    And the Donald is coming loaded too. I don't see that anybody really wins.  The Republican base is just psycho now.  They won't turn out for Jeb.

    As much as watching Obama cross the aisle until he finally got it and it broke all of us, he left Republicans no place to go other than nuts.  So Fox News went there, day after day after day.  That base demands gladiators, at the very least WWF wrestlers now.  They will not be satisfied with less.

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    How do (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:31:11 PM EST
    you spell a bad investment? J-E-B.

    Even the GOP base is saying the same thing we are. They are making fun of him taking three stabs at the Iraq question. What they say is that he can't answer a question without checking with his political advisers etc.

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    Talk about projecting onto someone (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:32:19 PM EST
    All those jokes about JEB being the smart Bush, I thought there was some truth to all that.  But I wasn't really familiar with any of his governing history coming out of Florida either.  I just didn't pay attention. I know some of that history now, and have now of course heard him speak on matters that will affect my life if he is our next President.. The smarter Bush? Uh no.  There seems to be a sort of ceiling to how articulate any Bush can be.

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    Jeb (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:43:10 PM EST
    the more you see of him and the more you learn about what he did in Florida the more reasons you have to defeat him. Scarlet letters for women.

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    Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying (none / 0) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:47:18 PM EST
    When will Republicans start peeling off you think?  With the evolution of SuperPacs and all that that entails I think they'll be like ticks.

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    If he does well in early primaries (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:50:04 PM EST
    the doo doo will fly.

    But first we have to get through the debates!

    Will anyone NOT watch that?

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    I'm watching :) (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:02:10 PM EST


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    Yeah, I might have to also. (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:05:01 PM EST
    Hard to turn away from a car wreck.

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    I saw some talking head (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:12:14 PM EST
    sniff that Donald would not do any debate prep.  Again, define prep.

    My bet is that it will be screw boring facts and world events, he will come armed, preped, with 3-5 killer comebacks individually tailored for every single person on that stage.

    A possibly higher number for a select few.

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    If you (none / 0) (#72)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:26:36 PM EST
    see the debates as reality TV then he has been prepping for years, The Donald does not need any stinking "talking points". He will come loaded for bear with "attacking points" as he always done.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:31:29 PM EST
    And we know Conservatives already believe Duck Dynasty is real.  THE DONALD IS REAL :)

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    And he's going pull some insane (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:30:07 PM EST
    "Problem solving" out of his backside, things that aren't even feasible.  But the base will eat it up.  And you and I will have to hear about how brilliant he is and when we attempt to point out the lack of feasibility they'll look at us like we're aliens.  It'll be an episode of Shark Tank every debate....woot woot

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    Agree, and ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by christinep on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:42:46 PM EST
    I expect a direct political attack on Jeb!  With the potentially large audience from all the consternation--manufactured or otherwise--of the Repub lead-up and with Donald Trump's poll standing better than the rest, he may well want to continue the frontal assault approach now associated with him.  It may be viewed by a number of the Repub audience as courageous for him to take on the purported establishment favorites standing in full view at the first debate.  For his ego and, quite probably, for the message of "look how direct, open, and non-pussyfooting I am," Donald could go for the debate jugular earlier on before the audience drops a bit.

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    Yup- the real question is: (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:32:13 PM EST
    How will they shut him up? 10 guys on stage, you know he is going to talk all over every one of them.

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    Nah...the party bosses will figure something out (none / 0) (#85)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:36:58 PM EST
    if he does not implode on his own. No way are they letting him be the nominee.

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    Where is Ray Donavon (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:42:54 PM EST
    when you need him?

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    If he were smart, wouldn't he stand straight, (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:45:16 PM EST
    presidential, and let them all dump on him so he can be the martyred victim of unfair attacks?

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    I don't see him being capable of doing (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:14:26 PM EST
    that. He is smart enough to know that may be what he should do...but I don't think he can do it!

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    Just out of curiosity (none / 0) (#84)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:36:01 PM EST
    Why do you think he's peaking now - as opposed to last week when he was at 17% or the week before at 11%?  Is it hopeful thinking that there are no more than 25% of GOPers who are that nuts?

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    I just watched MSNBC fr the first time in a (none / 0) (#86)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:39:23 PM EST
    long time, and I think one of the guys there - Kornacki? - made the point that everyone hates Congress right now, and he is tapping into that by going after Washington sacred cows in very frank language. I think that is about right.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:17:09 PM EST
    pretty much everybody thinks that congress has been nothing but a waste since the tea party took over in 2010. And Trump is skewering people that the GOP base detests like McCain and now Lindsey Graham. He has a long line of Republicans to go through at this point. He hasn't even started on McConnell or Boehner and there's plenty more after them.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 05:27:56 PM EST
    is different then last cycles clowns, the flavors of the week were relative unknowns when they surged. The resulting spotlight exposed their flaws, quickly. Trump was very well known before he surged, everybody knows what they are getting from the get go, he flourishes in the spotlight and the rubes eat it up. I kind of understand the politics of it all but I always underestimate the venal ignorance of the GOP base.

    My guess is that he has reached his high water mark in the polls but he probably will have a good amount of staying power, he will not go quietly into the night.


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    Well, (none / 0) (#43)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 05:53:23 PM EST
     the odds of him doing anything quietly are remote. But, at the point where blather must be supplemented with organization which equals actual spending, he will sink if he hasn't already.

      He may have a huge net worth, but you can't buy things and pay salaries with equity in leveraged properties. We'll see how much cash money he is willing and able to plunk down.

      Right now, he's basically getting a free ride subsidized by  TV "news" willing to milk (or even foment)controversy. At a certain point, the fact he has again  said something stupid and offensive will cease being considered "news."  To keep the spotlight he will have to keep topping what he has already said  in terms of  outrageousness. That isn't sustainable as a electoral strategy.

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    All that (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:00:09 PM EST
    seems to be the "conventional wisdom" coming out of DC these days but I'm not sure it's going to play out quite the way they are predicting.

    The really interesting thing is Donald has set the bar for what GOP candidates need to be saying to start rising in the polls.

    I mean after The Donald is done Jeb Bush looks like absolute wasted milquetoast.

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    You have more respect for "news" (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:00:30 PM EST
    than I do.  I'm trying hard to imagine when saying outrageous offensive thing is not news.  It's not working.

    Also.  It depends on what your strategy is.  If it's to get elected, no.   IMO his strategy is to remain the center of attention   I think he can do that.

    Money.  He is supposed to be worth 4-10 billion.  And honestly after 4 what difference does it make.  I think he has and will have all the money he needs.

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    People (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    are donating his campaign. I mean if Bernie can raise 15 mil off small donations so can The Donald.

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    when it's the same (none / 0) (#50)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:03:06 PM EST
     or similar to the thing you said last week.

     

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    Nothing triggers my involuntary gag reflex (none / 0) (#120)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 11:27:26 AM EST
    like Morning In America..

    Give me a bloviating, right-out-front and ripe-for-a-fall known quantity like Trump any day over a Reagan who's strong suit was making Southern Strategy racist dogwhistles, kicking the poor, death squads and nun-rapers, union busting and money worship seem like insignificant fragments in some outsized, heart warming Norman Rockwell painting.

    I wish he had stuck to sucking up to HUAC and GE and left the rest of us alone.

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    Trump's driving a wedge between the Republicans (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:38:07 PM EST
    who believe that woman who get raped were asking for it and the Republicans who believe American women are getting raped all the time by Mexicans and Blacks.

    Ha - no wonder their heads are spinning! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:58:07 PM EST


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    Trump, unlike (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:38:53 PM EST
    the other Republican primary contenders is a joke. Trump  would make a better hotel than president.  His sloppy talk is credited by lots of Republicans as straight talk.  He is nasty in his opposition to immigration; and, he insulted McCain, and not in a smart way--he could have invoked the Keating Five rather than the way he did.   I stipulate that Trump is ___(fill in your favorite pejorative, most, if not all, apply.)

    Now, we can return to the serious Republican contenders, all 15 remaining.   As highlights, we have Jeb! who only takes a week to answer a Fox softball on Iraq even after consulting W's advisers, such as Wolfie,

     Rubio who did not understand the question, but does know that he is against changing Cuba policy and for Corinthian for-profit gone bust education; Cruz, who salutes Trump; Jindal who says we should get rid of the Supreme Court and save money because they sometimes rule in ways that he does not agree;

    Huckabee who would rather run for president than continue his old job of selling  bible reading as a cancer cure; Walker, who threw his wife under the bus after Santorum criticized her for being "torn" on gay marriage;

    The lot of them are pretty much ready and raring to go to gut/privatize social security, medicare, support a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage; religious freedom for bakers (to bake or not to bake, that is the constitutional question);  believe women's health is between her and her Republican legislator; are OK with guns everywhere at anytime (Saturday nights in bars at 3 in the morning, after all, what could go wrong); repeal ACA and replace with nothing, or maybe, coupons to a ER;

    No medicaid, let alone expansion to help poor people,  and, of course, tax breaks for the rich   Immigration reform means bigger fences.  Bomb Iran on Day One, or, for the more responsible, Day Two.  Yes, no Trump-like jokers in this crowd.

    onion (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:30:06 PM EST
    The latest polls are out, and just as I predicted, I'm leading the Republican presidential race by a wide margin. You might be wondering how that could be. After all, it's hardly been a month since I entered the field and I've already alienated America's largest immigrant population, seen dozens of my high-profile business deals implode one after the other, and publicly insulted a national hero's military service, all while not offering a single viable policy idea. But none of that matters at all, and my candidacy continues to surge forward, because none of you--not a single one of you--can look away. Not even for a second.

    Admit it: You people want to see just how far this goes, don't you?

    LINK

    Haha (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:35:39 PM EST
    Yes, many a truth is told in jest.

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    "-- can look away..." (none / 0) (#91)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:18:00 PM EST
    I am vile and pernicious,
    but you can't look away;
    I make you think I'm delicious,
    With the stuff that I say;
    I'm the best you can get,
    Have you guessed me yet?
    I'm the Trump mouthing off
    on your TV set.

    - Frank Zappa, I'm the Donald, Overnight Sensation

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    Ok! It's official (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:40:18 AM EST
    Trump said he would "absolutely" launch a third-party candidacy if the Republicans continue to be "not fair."

    "I'm not in the gang. I'm not in the group where the group does whatever it's supposed to do," Trump said said. "I want to do what's right for the country -- not what's good for special interest groups that contribute, not what's good for the lobbyists and the donors."

    As if there was ever any doubt

    And again he has a point (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:41:27 AM EST
    "The RNC has not been supportive. They were always supportive when I was a contributor. I was their fair-haired boy," Trump told The Hill in an interview Wednesday. "The RNC has been, I think, very foolish."



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    Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:48:18 AM EST
    though you could argue that the GOP might be better off just nominating him because if he splits off and forms a third party they are definitely going to lose and if they nominate him they are going to lose.

    Trump may go down in a 45 state landslide but Trump and Bush running go down in 50 state landslide.

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    "Fair haired boy" (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 10:01:42 AM EST
    made me spit up coffee.  

    For that to be true he has to give us long form proof that it's actually hair

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    - or show us his hair's birth certificate. (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 03:00:32 PM EST


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    if I were in the GOP (none / 0) (#118)
    by CST on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 10:11:35 AM EST
    I'd rather have Trump as a third party.

    If you're likely to lose the presidential election anyway - you want to have someone with the potential for coattails at least.

    Trump as the face of the republican party could hurt them in more ways than just losing the presidency.

    That being said, this whole thing is a Dem fantasy come true.

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    They (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 11:02:22 AM EST
    are in a lose lose proposition and frankly I don't think someone like Bush would have any coattails. The base doesn't like him. It would seem at least Trump has a constituency and it's the tea party crazies. I'm not sure any of the others have even that.

    But I understand what you are saying. They might be able to come back from Jeb going down in a landslide better than Trump.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:44:45 AM EST
    he does. The GOP was fine with taking his money and letting him have fundraisers but now they're all dumping on him.

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    Saw on Crooks and Liars he gave out (none / 0) (#2)
    by magster on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:23:57 PM EST
    Sen. Graham's private cell number and urged his supporters to call him.

    Charleston Harbor just gained a cell phone.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 01:36:26 PM EST


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    Divers found this (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:34:26 PM EST
    in the Charleston Harbor.

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    Here's a (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:36:40 PM EST
    replacement.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:27:32 PM EST
    You know, that phone just screams "Lindsay!!!"

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    He did that to step on Kasich (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:17:06 PM EST
    it worked.

    The talking point of the day seems to be that this national poll, one day of which was done post McCain, showed a drop in his support on the third  day.

    This is it.  This is the end.  Trump is done.

    One problem
    Another poll of republicans in (Iowa I think) which two of the three days of the poll were post McCain showed no drop in his support.  Surprisingly not hearing much about that poll.

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    Pundits (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:27:19 PM EST
    are totally out of touch. They have declared Hillary dead a number of times wrongly. Now they are going to declare Trump dead wrongly.

    Their heads must be exploding.

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    The Des Moines Register (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 12:36:18 PM EST
    is today's example of a news site trying to create headlines rather than report news.

    The Des Moines Register generally endorses (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:40:18 PM EST
    Democratic nominees for President.

    The comments to that editorial are mostly from irrate Republican readers.

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    Didn't the Register change ownership (none / 0) (#38)
    by christinep on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:46:02 PM EST
    in recent years ... to more conservative publisher?

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    Cowles sold to Gannett in 1985. (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:10:52 PM EST
    But the DMR endorsed Hillary Clinton b/4 the 2008 IA caucuses and Obama in the 2008 election but endorsed Romney in 2012. [wiki.]

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    Last night (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 01:48:12 PM EST
    on Rachel there was a stand in host that I really dislike so I didn't watch but he sucked me in for a bit with the first segment.

    It was a recap of last cycle when Newt led for a while and what the establishment did about it. Which was basically, after Newt won an early primary, to go after him with every bit of oppo research they could dig up from right wing sites like DRUDGE and NRO.  This hosts point being this is what the should and will do to get rid of the Donald.

    I keep saying this.  It won't work folks.   Trumps supporters don't read Drudge or the NationalReview.  He may never get higher than the 20s but that is what Perot got and it will be enough for Donald.

    One of the interesting things in the Rachel segment was the results of a three way poll between Clinton, Bush and Trump compared to the results of the 92 election with Perot as the third.   The numbers were almost identical.

    Yes, I saw that (none / 0) (#16)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:17:14 PM EST
    segment, too.  My recollection was that it was the Romney steamroller (ie. cash) that made a pancake out of Newton after his brief moment of inflation.  Just nasty research on Trump will not work, since his supporters (ie. the base) knows he is nasty and they are not going to fire him for what they know and like.   Curious, why do you dislike Steve Kornacki?  

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    Can't put my finger on it (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:19:10 PM EST
    he just rubs my rhubarb.  

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    A more serious answer (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:23:58 PM EST
    would be he seems to be a font of conventional wisdom.   I get why he would guest host for Tweety.  Not Rachel.  

    Also he doesn't drink coffee.

    He dislikes Game of Thrones.

    He is not normal.

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    More abnormal I guess (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:38:00 PM EST
    I've never heard of Steve Kornacki, have never liked coffee (not even coffee ice cream), and haven't a clue what Game of Thrones might be.

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    I don't know (none / 0) (#30)
    by CST on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:41:44 PM EST
    who Steve Kornaki is either, but CMON!!!  Coffee ice cream is the best of all the ice cream base-flavors, with the only real competition coming from mint.  The difference being mint requires some addition of chocolate to round it out and coffee can be eaten plain or with cookies/heath/etc...

    Game of Thrones is an HBO show - and it's the most pirated TV show of all time and most popular HBO show ever.

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    I'm in the Coral Camp... (none / 0) (#32)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:16:49 PM EST
    ...I despise coffee or coffee flavored anything, 'Game of Thrones' to me is some silly violent medieval fantasy series that a lot of people really like.  I don't know what 'the Wire' is about even though people used to talk about it non-stop, and I have never seen a 'Star Wars' movie.

    I tried to watch Dexter and Breaking bad, could not get out of season one with either.

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    To each his own! (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:42:09 PM EST
    The Wire is all about the Politics of Crime. The only show you mentioned that I am sure a reader of this blog would get a lot out of.

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    I just started (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:54:37 PM EST
    the wire in NetFlix DVD.

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    Oh boy, you are in for a ride (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 05:03:27 PM EST
    We will have some more good open thread discussions that bore everyone else

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    Great series - addictive (none / 0) (#122)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 11:43:08 AM EST
    Binge watched it for the second time last winter.

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    I don't know about that. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 10:03:11 PM EST
    CST: "Coffee ice cream is the best of all the ice cream base-flavors, with the only real competition coming from mint."

    From the time I was a wee lad, my favorite ice cream flavor has been strawberry. I love strawberries -- always have, always will. Even today, I'll eat 'em like candy. And for me, fresh strawberry ice cream, the kind made with real fruit and not artificially flavored, is simply the best.

    As for coffee, I like it a lot, and I like it black -- but not as ice cream.

    Regarding "Game of Thrones," my wife and I could never really get into that show, so we don't watch. Our daughters absolutely love it, though, and wouldn't miss it.

    ;-D

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    My Favorite Ice Creams... (none / 0) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 11:14:59 AM EST
    ...were always the ones with a lot of junk in them, until the day I had double Mexican vanilla.  Now, it's rare to find the double, but I get Mexican vanilla every time, which at 45 is about once a year, maybe twice.

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    How About Pointing Out... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:51:48 PM EST
    ...that he has registered as a Democrat and was 'very pro=choice'.  I believe that is worse than being a child molester in those circles.

    Febraury 2012:


    • In July 1987, Trump first registered from his penthouse in Manhattan's Trump Tower. He enrolled in the REPUBLICAN PARTY, listing his prior residence as his boyhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens.

    • Twelve years later, in October 1999, Trump dumped the GOP, and enrolled in the INDEPENDENCE PARTY.

    • Less than two years later, in August 2001, Trump again changed his party enrollment. This time, he emerged as a member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

    • He lasted eight years as a Democrat. In September 2009, Trump changed his affiliation, this time returning to the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    • As of press time, Trump's latest party switch occurred six weeks ago, on December 21, when he again ditched the GOP. But instead of siding with a particular party, Trump checked off the box indicating "I DO NOT WISH TO ENROLL IN A PARTY."
     LINK

    I suspect he will be going back to the Indy Party sooner than later.
    -----------------

    Trump In 1999: `I Am Very Pro-Choice'

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    How to fix this (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:24:05 PM EST
    Cruz as VP

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    Yep. (none / 0) (#39)
    by christinep on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 04:49:32 PM EST


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    Trump is what the Limbaugh crowd (none / 0) (#121)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 11:40:34 AM EST
    dismissively calls a RINO, until he runs against a neopagan radical Trotskyist like Hillary -- then he becomes the living, breathing embodiment of everything that's great about America.

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    I know (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 02:24:35 PM EST
    they don't read NRO but some of them do read Drudge. However they also have been burned by Drudge a ton of times so I'm not sure how much influence he has anymore.

    The very people trying to take down Trump are the very same people the Trump supporters loathe. So yes, it probably is not going to work.

    The poll I saw that was a three way were different than '92 with Hillary hauling in 47% vs the 42 or 43 Bill got Trump with 19 and Jeb with 29. Without Trump Hillary would get 51%. So Trump would take about 1/4 from Hillary and 3/4 from Jeb unlike Perot that took from both about equally.

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    Yup, it won't work (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:02:02 PM EST
    He'll give out all their personal cell phone numbers inviting the GOP base to give them all a call and talk to them about their tactics, and he'll gain 4 pts.  

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    Rachel's stand-in Steve Kornacki ... (none / 0) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:24:08 PM EST
    ... is what you get, when parents rob their gay son of his innate camp sensibility.

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    I honestly had no idea he was gay (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 08:32:19 PM EST
    i had to google.  I like that.  But I still don't like him.

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    "Gay Liberation," for lack ... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 09:22:55 PM EST
    ... of a better term, was probably of greatest benefit to guys like Steve Kornacki. Honestly, I see him as the type who would've married his high school prom date 30 years ago -- you know, the cute and adorable girl who simply adores him, yet is always somehow left wanting whenever she's around him. They'd have a couple of kids together before sliding into a sexless existence, whereupon they'd all live unhappily ever after.

    "Brokeback Mountain" doesn't have to happen any more.

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    Jon Stewart (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:02:55 PM EST
    I so love this man

    "Probably the one (none / 0) (#22)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:18:45 PM EST
     that's not normally in his mouth."

      I loved that line.

      I will point out it's less amusing that it's not only comedians "playing out the string" for whom Trump is patron saint. Lazy, pandering, sensationalist "real news" personalities are also mining the same vein.

     

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    He's like (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:21:36 PM EST
    a Jewish holiday

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    President Obama (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 03:36:59 PM EST
    to be a guest on the Daily Show tonight.

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    On Trump: (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 10:37:35 AM EST
    President Obama, "I am sure the Republicans are enjoying Mr. Trump's current dominance as a front-runner."   Jon Stewart, "Anything that makes them look less crazy."

    On the Iran agreement:  President Obama (joked) that critics think if only former VP Dick Cheney had been on the negotiating team, "then everything would be fine."   Keysdan from his couch to the TV screen,  "Anything that makes them look less crazy. "

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    A tea party (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:05:29 PM EST
    friend of mine is saying that the reason Dems aren't attacking the Donald is because they can't. I'm thinking no, Dems aren't attacking the Donald because why interrupt someone who is shooting holes in his own boat and the boat of the entire GOP.

    A friend of mine is horrified at what The Donald is saying and can't believe it. I'm laughing my butt off. This is the funniest political circus I think I've seen in my lifetime.

    Same here (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:10:37 PM EST
    Trump has taken the crazy homicidal aunt out of her locked attic room and given her the car keys and a megaphone.

    I love it when people are surprised there is a market for this.  
    I'm shocked SHOCKED that there are hateful ignorant racists in the republican base.

    Who would ever have thought.

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    Ha- that is funny, they just want Dems to get (none / 0) (#67)
    by ruffian on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:03:54 PM EST
    dirty with them. Why on earth should a dem say anything about any of these clowns 16 months before the election? Ridiculous.

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    The Trump cleansing diet (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:29:50 PM EST
    A little wine, a little cracker, as often as possible, Bahahahahaha

    I loved that part (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:36:20 PM EST
    Tweety was in high righteous mode about that.  Soooooo offensive.  People of REAL faith take that very seriously.

    Baloney.  If possibly true.

    I'm willing to bet plenty of people who line up for crackers and wine approach it the same way the Donald does.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 06:43:26 PM EST
    I don't think he offended the base a bit with that.  Church is often a habit, not a practiced philosophy, it allows them to feel cleansed for the week.

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    I take (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:08:19 PM EST
    wine and wafers every Sunday at church and I'm not offended by that.

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    I had to think about it over and over (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 21, 2015 at 07:34:36 PM EST
    In my head as a cracker, because as the cracker absorbed moisture and I thought about the body of Christ, and skin, I'd start gagging :)

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    New Trump poll post McCain (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 07:39:38 AM EST
    Trump 22%
    Jeb 15%

    I Would Like to Meet the People... (none / 0) (#102)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 12:16:09 PM EST
    ...who think the temperament of a moron who gives out the personal phone number of a rival, is the temperament that someone with the power to launch nuclear weapons, should have.

    Idiots.

    As I watch the guy, I can't believe he hasn't been stomped many times.  I can't understand how he has actually accumulated wealth, he is a narrow minded bully with no sense and wouldn't last a day in any real job.  

    Who in their right mind would do business with that jack@ss.  He must have many degrees of separation in his business dealings, he certainly wasn't like this on the view episodes I have caught of the Apprentice.  

    Or all of it is a huge act, it has to be.

    Inheriting (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 12:25:52 PM EST
     a substantial fortune probably helped. His father was a real estate magnate in Brooklyn (and maybe had properties elsewhere as well).

      And, while the Donald increased the holdings by getting into Manhattan real estate and casino development, he didn't exactly pull himself up by the bootstraps from humble beginnings. I'm quite sure he believes his being born on third base has little to do with his wealth but he believes a lot of hard to swallow things.

      He probably doesn't believe that our bankruptcy laws which have allowed him to walk away from his failures with his assets mostly intact and his creditors  left holding the bag contribute to his financial position either.  

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    non-reflective followers.. (none / 0) (#104)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 12:36:52 PM EST
    people who'll literally believe and do anything their local charismatic Rush-equivalent or Fox News or their Pastors say and tell them to do.

    In the sixties and seventies I met, sorry to say, tons of them - Moonies, Children of God, Krishnas, Jesus freaks., LaRouche Libertarians..people hungry to be fed predigested thoughts and ideas the way baby birds are fed by their parents..  

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    Well (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 12:41:00 PM EST
    it's the same people you live around there in Texas that voted for Ted Cruz. I'm kind of surprised you are not understanding all this. I see it all the time here in GA.

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    Also many Americans almost literally (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by jondee on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 12:50:36 PM EST
    worship the ruling class. The thinking seems to be if he's that rich he Must be some much-more-evolved, superior life form who we can trust to lead us out of the darkness..

    Hell, I've even seen a couple of lawyers here say "the money is always right". Maybe it was said cynically, but on a reflexive emotional-psychological level, too many people seem to believe it.

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    Elder Perry Whine (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 09:50:32 PM EST
    Holy krap

    I just saw my first extended bit of Rick Perry getting back at Donald for saying the glasses are not working as far as making him look smart.

    Watch it.  You will be thrilled by verbal flourishes like "the empty calories of Trumpism".

    Perry desperately needs to make headlines (none / 0) (#109)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 10:48:01 PM EST
    to have a chance at being on the stage. It's a case of the also-rans grasping for attention. And in doing so they also keep Trump in the headlines.

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    And Perry stepped all over Graham (none / 0) (#110)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 22, 2015 at 10:57:13 PM EST
    who was hoping for the attention by making a youtube video destroying his phone.

    I'm not sure what a 'barking carnival act' is but Perry has joined the sideshow at the this circus. (He's always been a sideshow)

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    I couldn't (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 08:12:45 AM EST
    watch it but Perry calling Trump "a cancer on conservatism" made me howl with laughter. I guess Rick Perry thinks we should ignore his own behavior.

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    Here was Trump's reply to Perry via Twitter (none / 0) (#115)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:47:08 AM EST

    realdonaldtrump.@GovernorPerry in my office last cycle playing nice and begging for my support and money. Hypocrite!

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    Yes, but in that (none / 0) (#126)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 01:07:09 PM EST
    bromance photo, Perry was not wearing glasses.  Not yet smart at that point--could be Perry's defense.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#123)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 12:31:34 PM EST
    has struck a responsive chord in a number of people.

    I think this is a result of so many people feeling, rightly, that they have been effectively disenfranchised by both political parties.

    At this late date, I don't know what can be done about it.

    Trump is Don Rickles with "hair." (none / 0) (#124)
    by Anne on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 12:54:40 PM EST
    He may have a career as a heckler, but that's about it.  Or put him on the radio and let him go ego-to-ego with someone like Rush: that's a steel cage death match I might enjoy.  

    I guess it just shows you how much stupid there is out there, that people have come to mistake Trump's ability to heckle, humiliate and bloviate for competence and leadership.

    Don't people wonder who he'd want in his Cabinet after ripping everyone in sight?  Who he'd put on the Supreme Court?  

    Maybe he appeals to anyone who's ever wanted to tell the boss to go fk himself, who's ever wanted to tell someone, "yes, you do look fat in that, and you're stupid and ugly, too."

    He's a trainwreck, an accident waiting to happen.  He's the hair dryer perched on the edge of the tub, the matches stored with the lighter fluid.

    It's not Trump you have to worry about, it's Rubio and Walker.  

     

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    I worry (none / 0) (#125)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 01:04:30 PM EST
    about all of them.

    I worry about the politicians on the democratic side as well.

    It's come to the point where all I can hope for is that one of these people, whoever gets elected, or selected, will not arrange to kill us all.

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    Completely (none / 0) (#127)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 02:57:48 PM EST
    unimpressed with Rubio and Walker. For Rubio it's been all downhill since his announcement and Walker is an idiot that makes The Donald look like a genius.

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    Rubio struck back at Trump (none / 0) (#129)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 03:44:01 PM EST
    via President Obama.  Rubio dismissed Trump's qualifications saying the US already has a president "who has no class."   And, then took a swig of Poland Springs.  

    All trying to out-Trump Trump--hey what about me down here in the cellar?   Santorum will be a guest on Rachel Maddow's show. Why, Rachel?     Guess he regrets a bit--says he shouldn't have equated gays with bestiality, his "man on dog," comment was "flippant."  Yes, flippant, a remark made in 2003 and already he regrets it.  

    Speaking of cellars, where is Rand these days?  The "libertarian" who is pro-life and opposes marriage equality.  Should we put his face on milk cartons?  

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    But, (none / 0) (#131)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 05:52:50 PM EST
    as I said, I believe the reason that Trump doing so well in the polls is that people are looking for an alternative to the flaccid, stupid, uncaring and/or incompetent people in power.

    I think it speaks of the total corruption of both political parties and the media that shills for them.

    It speaks of the total lack of contact by government with the day to day lives of the American people. In my opinion.

    I also think it bespeaks of hopelessness.

    And betrayal.

    So it is fertile ground for the likes of Trump.

    And I wouldn't discount his chances either.

    If we could elect a Reagan, or a Nixon... we can elect anyfkingbody.

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    It's (none / 0) (#132)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 06:03:37 PM EST
    more than that. The fertile ground for Trump was created when the GOP continually lies to their voters saying Obama is guilty of treason and then when the voters yell well, if you think he's guilty of treason then you need to arrest him but of course they don't. The GOP has been promising them a return to 1950's nirvana with the stratified social class system. Lastly but not least the GOP establishment has been dictating to them who they are to vote for in the primaries. They went along with this for the past two presidential elections but are sick of being told what to do. It's way more expansive than "corruption" but honestly Trump isn't very clean on that account.

    The main reason there are Republicans that love Trump is because he takes on all the politicians who have lied to them over the years.

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    People (none / 0) (#133)
    by lentinel on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 06:15:01 PM EST
    don't need Republicans or Democrats to tell us how we feel about the deteriorating quality of our daily lives.

    People are experiencing hardship.
    Except for the ones at the top.

    This gap widened during Mr. Obama's tenure.

    And, in my opinion, the people don't care which party is primarily responsible. All they know is that they feel that there is nowhere to turn.

    So, Trump walks through the door.


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    God I so hope he does (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 06:22:42 PM EST
    if he walks thru the door we take not only the White House and senate but possibly even the house.

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    Yes, and what ever (none / 0) (#135)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 06:54:49 PM EST
    happened to the argument that Secretary Clinton was too old, and we needed a new face?   Not as popular a cry since the Trump boomlet.

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    Or (none / 0) (#136)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 07:01:44 PM EST
    since Bernie came on the scene 'cause he's older than Hillary.

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    I wonder if there has been any serious polling (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 07:03:27 PM EST
    on a Trump Hillary head to head.  To lazy to look.  It would be interesting to see how he does compared to the other "serious" candidates.  As far as polling means anything at this point.

    Donald might have as much of a shot as some or even most of the others.  He certainly has motivated a segment of the base.

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    PPP (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 08:02:58 PM EST
    did polling and head to head with Hillary he pulls in 37% of the vote. I think Hillary gets 58% or some such against him. You are right though. He really doesn't do a whole lot worse than the rest of the GOP field as most of them are stuck in the low 40's and probably does better than some of them.

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    In addition to Ga6th's comments, (none / 0) (#139)
    by christinep on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 08:29:02 PM EST
    this interlude calls to mind the "I'm mad as he!!, and I'm not going to take it anymore" panacea depicted in the old movie "Network."  IOW, it has a lot to do with collected & collective anger, and sour, and all manner of reactions to the illegitimate unfairness experienced in a society.  At it's best, it is well worth paying attention to ... while, at it's worst, it is the periodic explosion of undifferentiated anger.

    BTW, I'm not intending to seem unmoved or aloof, but--in all honesty--I think that The Donald primarily connects with a lot of those who want the past to remain the past.  Trans: The "haves" of the old vanguard ... not the Blacks, not the Hispanics, and surely not the Women.  (And, hopefully, not a large portion of the thinking white men.)

    lentinel: People can be angry or "mad as he!!" for many reasons that do not comport with your concerns nor with mine.  IMHO, this is anger and frustration--at its inevitable depth--emanating from the right and from those who really don't pay much attention to political direction.  If I were guessing: This very rich man (as he repeatedly reminds us) is the personification of unbridled capitalism at its worst ... the me, mine, and more of mine motif.  I don't know how you feel about that outlook, but I want nothing to do with it.

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    Er...excuse me (none / 0) (#140)
    by christinep on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 08:38:45 PM EST
    correction: In the first paragraph, change to "...the past to remain the present & future.."

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    Permit me to echo CST, who says that (none / 0) (#130)
    by christinep on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 04:09:33 PM EST
    Trump is a "Dem fantasy come true." Double Yes!!

    The Denver Dems are having a Repub Debate Viewing Party on August 6th ... to eat, share libations, play political Bingo with political buzz about that other party. Fundraising or attention-getting too by selling tee shirts emblazoned "I Survived the Repub Debate."  For those in Denver ... location is the Governor's Park eatery on 7th & Logan (pizza, hamburgers, etc.; probably, popcorn.)

    So, I'll try not to get too prematurely happy about the upcoming contest.  Things tend to change quickly (and change again.)

    Another Bernie Sanders... (none / 0) (#141)
    by thomas rogan on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:17:00 PM EST
    and Bernie Sanders polls around 24% too.  Big deal.

    If he ran as an independent (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 23, 2015 at 09:21:22 PM EST
    it would be a very big deal

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    It's also not the Dem Primary (none / 0) (#143)
    by CST on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 11:27:21 AM EST
    Trump isn't running against Hillary Clinton.  He's currently in the lead of all the Republicans.  Sure 24% may not be that much, but it's better than everyone else right now.

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