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Sunday Night Open Thread: Grammys and More

The Grammys are on tonight. Bob Dylan got the MusiCares Person of the Year award. The LA Times has lots of coverage of everything Grammy releated.

Update: I didn't even recognize the opening act (ACDC) until they played Highway to Hell. The audience was singing along like it was the song of the century. Ariana Grande: I don't think I've ever heard her sing before. Her song choice almost put me to sleep. Very boring.

I was about to turn off the show when Tom Jones and whoever started singing "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" as a tribute to the married couple who wrote it who were in the audience. I never heard of them. But I'm glad I didn't stop watching, they sang it really well, and it can't be easy to make that song sound fresh. But the woman's outfit was awful. Big girl underpants covered from neck to floor by some sheer thing with huge black appliques. It wouldn't look good on anyone, but it really looked terrible on her. [More....]

Update: I've had the show running in the background while working on a brief. I heard Obama's voice and looked up and listened, only to hear him give a speech about domestic violence. Then the show brought out a domestic violence victim. What does this have to do with music awards? Are musicians more likely to engage in domestic violence than those in other professions? It was like having an Amber Alert interrupt a TV show. I muted the rest, after "My name is X and I'm a domestic violence victim." Nobody, including me, thinks domestic violence is okay. I just don't think an entertainment awards show is the place for a public service announcement about it. They should have put it in a commercial, rather than making it a part of the show.

Annie Lennox looked and sounded great. Lady Gaga was fun to watch as always.

Update: I really like Sam Smith, who won record of the year for "Stay With Me", which is a very catchy song. He also won three other grammys. I really did not like the dance with the pair of girls wearing blond wigs (Apparently this was of Kristin Wiig dancing with Sia, who wrote the song Chandelier which was up for record of the year.) You can watch it here. At first I thought it was another domestic violence spot, then I thought it was about a mother and daughter, then I gave up. It's nice to know Wiig can dance, but when Sia had her clothes torn off and was left dancing around in a flesh colored body suit showing every line of her body underneath it and looking 9 years old, it was really uncomfortable to watch. I'm sure others will say it was great art.

Update: The pitch for the new organization, "Grammy Creators Alliance" was very cleverly worded, especially with its invitation for fans to become a part. They made it sound like a group out to preserve the opportunity for new artists to gain an audience. What is it really? A group pushing stricter copyright laws "across all platforms." Its goals, according to ts mission statement:

To advise Congressional leaders as they develop legislation that will ensure fair pay for all creators on all platforms

... To work within the industry to ensure fair royalty rates to creators on all platforms.

I don't begrudge music creators the right to be fairly compensated, but at least come out and say this is your mission, and not make it out to be a collaborative effort between fans and musicians that will ensure there will be new artists in the next generation. It sounds to me like this organization is about musicians wanting to be paid whenever and wherever their music is played, especially on the internet and smart devices, and have control over who can download and share it.

On other topics: Most unappealing photo this weekend: Taken in Munich (I cut out Brett McGurk, who posted it here.) I think this trio poses as great a threat to the U.S. as the threat they think they know how to beat.

Graham has been calling for 10,000 boots on the ground to defeat ISIS.

In the semi-humorous department, the MRC has this photo with the caption: "Brian Williams joins ISIS-killing commando force with Jordan's King Abdullah during "few days off" with NBC News."

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Not Dadler, Jeralyn - it was Donald... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Anne on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 10:24:36 PM EST
    just so you know.

    you're right, I just (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 11:16:39 PM EST
    deleted my comment since I mixed them up. Sorry, Dadler.

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    The NYTimes (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:15:23 AM EST
    is trumpeting an article about Brian Williams.

    The front page blurb goes as follows:

    Brian Williams and Memories From a Perch Too Public
    By DAVID CARR

    For some time now, there have been two versions of Brian Williams. One is an Emmy-winning, talented anchor on the "NBC Nightly News" and the other is a funny, urbane celebrity.

    That's our choice: He is either a "talented anchor", or a "funny, urbane celebrity".

    What makes, I wonder, a "talented" anchor, as opposed to an untalented one? The ability to spontaneously make convincing facial expressions as they read the teleprompter?

    From the point of view of a network or a sponsor, I suppose "talent" would refer to the ability to bring people into the tent so that they be sold the cough medicine or war du jour.

    Whatever it might mean, the article is giving us two options, both of them glowing references: A "talent, or a "funny and urbane" celebrity - ie: a regular guy.

    The article does go on to detail Mr. William's fibs. But, it quotes someone saying that, well, we all lie. It's how we deal with it... etc.

    I don't buy the "we all lie" mantra as an excuse for a betrayal by a public figure. Sorry.

    The writer goes on to say, as his grand finale:

    We want our anchors to be both good at reading the news and also pretending to be in the middle of it. That's why, when the forces of man or Mother Nature whip up chaos, both broadcast and cable news outlets are compelled to ship the whole heaving apparatus to far-flung parts of the globe, with an anchor as the flag bearer.

    We want our anchors to be everywhere, to be impossibly famous, globe-trotting, hilarious, down-to-earth, and above all, trustworthy. It's a job description that no one can match.

    See? It's OUR fault.

    I'm glad that was cleared up.
    He wasn't just another guy padding his resumé in order to make a buck.
    He"s just a talented funny urbane guy upon whom were thrust unreasonable demands made by a bunch of of ignorant plebes.

    When did news anchors stop being (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 06:42:50 AM EST
    glorified traffic directors, facilitating the delivery of the news from the reporters who were in the middle of things, asking the occasional follow-up question from the anchor desk, to being spotlight-hoggers who decided the news needed to be more about them?

    I actually don't want anchors pretending to be in the middle of anything, nor do I need them to be popping up on the other side of the world or wherever there's a disaster or a crisis of some kind; all it seems to prove is that the network has oodles of money it can waste at the drop of a hat.  Send the reporters, yes, but what does an anchor standing in the rubble of a tornado actually do to advance the story?  

    Why do I get the feeling sometimes that someone like Brian Williams, for all his multi-million dollar salary, is really just Walter Mitty trying to make all his fantasies come true?  I don't think he's braver/stronger/smarter just because he's on the scene of a plane crash or a flood - or a war.  It may be that the rationale is, "look what lengths we're willing to go to to bring you the news," but to me it has a feel of, "why do the reporters get to have all the fun while I'm stuck her on a TV set?"

    No, I don't want reporters or anchors trying to be part of the story - just tell me what the fk is going on, and leave yourself out of it.

    Apparently, that is too much to ask now, and is not the business model of these multi-billion dollar media enterprises.  Go figure.

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    The anchors didn't decide that... (none / 0) (#176)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 12, 2015 at 06:55:14 AM EST
    ...the networks did.

    Of course in some cases it was

     "We want you to anchor."

      "I want to keep reporting from the field, not be chained to a desk in a studio."

    "We need to exploit your popularity to draw viewers, but if you let us make you the 'face' of our news division, we'll let you go out and report big stories on the scene."

    So it was the people paying for the parachutes that invented parachute journalism, not the journalists themselves.

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    Who does thw writer think wants this? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:19:52 PM EST
    We want our anchors to be everywhere, to be impossibly famous, globe-trotting, hilarious, down-to-earth, and above all, trustworthy.

    Maybe other TV celebrities want that. Or maybe viewers do, I tuned out network news so long ago that I guess I have no business opining.

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    I Find it Mildly Annoying... (none / 0) (#65)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:12:06 PM EST
    ...when they have weather people out in the weather stating 'The city has asked all non-essential people to stay off the roads' and they they are on the roads.

    Like people don't understand a snow storm unless some reporter, usually not dressed for it, standing in it with a yardstick letting us know how deep 10" of snow really is.

    I suspect a lot of this is true for the news.  My local TV station does not need to put a college grad on the scene in the ghetto at 5am to help me understand what triple homicide is in my town.  And like the weather folks, the news people are probably more of nuisance and could just as easily declare the news without being on site, or at the very least, not reporting from on site.

    I understand an abstract concept like solar flares without anyone reporting from the sun or the satellites they might effect.

    The people on the TV have those jobs because they look good on TV, not because they ran around in the Iraq a decade ago chasing Saddam & Co.  And if memory serves me correct, didn't Geraldo give away one company's position on air.

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    Television, they say... (none / 0) (#177)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 12, 2015 at 06:59:01 AM EST
    ...is a visual medium.

    And therein lies the problem.

    They feel they have to have "compelling" visual content on the screen all the time, so rather than enhancing what would otherwise be a print or radio story, the visual overpowers the story.  

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    Kanye (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 07:36:11 AM EST
    Are you kidding me?

    Again with the rant?

    When did he become the judge and jury of music?

    What No Props... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:46:51 AM EST
    ...for actually sitting back down when he went up on stage.

    If music has an echo chamber KW is in it, too clueless to realize most of the population doesn't care what he thinks about anything.  I like his music, but it's a stretch to call him a genius, especially when Beck is in the conversation, IMO.  

    Beck received the award, like Swift of past, that KW objected to.

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    The conspiracy theorist in me... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:17:33 PM EST
    thinks Kanye is doing black ops for the Huckabee campaign or something, the way he keeps embarrassing poor Beyoncé like this.

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    honestly (none / 0) (#39)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:26:42 PM EST
    Sometimes I wonder if he's got a mild form of aspergers.  That or he's trolling us all.  

    He could just be that big of  jerk but he also seems like he cares deeply what people think of him so... I wouldn't be surprised if it's aspergers.

    I also wonder what Jay thinks of the fact that he's clearly got a third grader crush on his girl.

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    You know "geniuses"... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:35:28 PM EST
    they're all nuckin' futs...goes hand in hand.

    Something definitely off with him though...I mean who look he married.  I know love is blind, but is it deaf & dumb too? ;)

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    I ain't sayin' he's a gold-digger! (none / 0) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:33:38 PM EST
    But man, that guy sure knows how to channel his inner 8-year-old when he doesn't get his way. What a piece of work!

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    Is it just me, or are there ... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:05:38 PM EST
    ... other people out there who are just as tired of Kanye West's whiney shtick as I am? His crashing of Beck's acceptance speech provided an embarrassing end to an otherwise great night.

    Beck is a consummate artist who's been a mainstay of the alternative rock scene for about two decades now. He's remained true to his craft, having written, sung and produced every song on his latest album. It's an outstanding work.

    In contrast, there are 17 different people who are listed as co-producers of Beyoncé's self-titled album, as well as 27 different songwriters and 12 different performer-collaborators. Her resultant product, while quite good, also comes across as so calculated, programmed and overly polished that it sometimes appears almost wholly devoid of risk, whim and spontaneity.

    As talented and gifted a vocalist as Beyoncé obviously is -- and it should be noted that she's the most nominated female performer in Grammy history -- her album demonstrates that currently, she's become less the pure artiste and more the stylish marketing concept than she probably realizes. And that may have hurt her chances with Academy voters.

    Beck deserved that Grammy award for album of the year. But what he didn't deserve were the public and surprisingly personal insults from a very petulant Kanye West. So I would disagree with Recording Academy president Neil Portnow, who called West's made-for TV outburst "a fun moment at the end of the day." I found it less "fun" than childish, churlish and self-absorbed.

    Aloha.

    As Mentioned Above... (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:51:20 PM EST
    ...the great majority of people don't care what KW thinks.  Check out this skit on SNL.  That is Lady Gaga by the way.

    As far as I know, the only person that has ever said KW is a genius is KW, and Beck last night.

    Don't get me wrong, the man can put some music out, but like most musicians, liking their music doesn't equate to liking them or caring about their opinions.

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    Shirley Manson to Kanye: "Grow up." (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:09:17 PM EST
    Lead singer Shirley Manson of the alternative rock band Garbage penned an open letter to Kanye West on Facebook, in which she harshly criticized his public behavior and remarks from last Sunday night:

    "Dear Kanye:
    It is you who is so busy disrespecting artistry.
    You disrespect your own remarkable talents and more importantly you disrespect the talent, hard work and tenacity of all artists when you go so rudely and savagely after such an accomplished and humble artist like BECK.
    You make yourself look small and petty and spoilt.
    In attempting to reduce the importance of one great talent over another, you make a mockery of all musicians and music from every genre, including your own.
    Grow up and stop throwing your toys around.
    You are making yourself look like a complete twat.
    Ps. I am pretty certain Beyoncé doesn't need you fighting any battles on her account. Seems like she's got everything covered perfectly well on her own."

    Almost needless to say, Ms. Manson's caustic remarks have since been picked up by mainstream media. Let's hope Kanye West actually starts listening to peers like her, and dials it back several notches.

    Aloha.

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    Hacktivist group Anonymous vs ISIS (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by ZtoA on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:24:14 PM EST
    There are nearly 800 Twitter accounts listed as primary targets that have been "exposed and destroyed" by Anonymous and the Redcult Team. Those ISIS-related Twitter accounts are broken down into two groups, those that have over 10,000 followers and those with less. The Pastebin post also has a list of Facebook accounts "to keep an eye on" as they are suspected to have been in contact with ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Additionally, Anonymous listed email accounts, websites, IP addresses and VPN connections used by the terror network.

    The video is interesting.

    The Truth About Kids & Guns: 2015 (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 12:30:37 PM EST
    Some 876 youth, aged 10 to 19, took their own lives in 2013 with a firearm -- an increase for the third straight year, said the center, which analyzed data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Many of these deaths may have been prevented if a gun wasn't easily accessible, the center said in its report, "The Truth About Kids & Guns: 2015."

    "Millions of Americans have a gun in their homes thinking that it makes their family safer, but every day in our nation, dozens of these families learn just how dangerous and tragic that miscalculation can be," Dan Gross, the center's president, said in a statement. "The bottom line is: having a gun in the home dramatically increases the danger that a child will be shot and killed."

    LINK

    Too personally poignant now... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 01:07:28 PM EST
    A close friend of my moms who I am very fond of, her ex-husband just offed himself with a gunshot to the chest last week...their grown son was in the house at the time. F*cked up sh*t man. Who's to say if he could have had the time to reconsider his choice, if not for that blasted gun in the house to make it so easy.  

    He was a Vietnam combat vet who was never right after the war...alcoholism, depression, abusive, the whole nine.  She had to leave him, but always loved him.  

    The sh*t this poor woman has to suffer...her other son is in the federal pen right now.  And a very sick mother to care for.  

    Count your blessings y'all...count your blessings.

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    Oh, I am so sorry, Dog (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 05:43:21 PM EST
    A classmate of Daughter Zorba from high school, was shot to death, along with her children, by her husband, who then shot himself to death.  As you can imagine, this totally freaked out  my daughter, as well as the whole community here.
    Another high school classmate of Daughter Zorba had the misfortune of her husband committing suicide with a gun, while the children were in the house, although thankfully in this case, he didn't kill the kids.
    Yes, guns.  Possibly these tragedies would have happened without the guns available, but maybe there would have been some reconsideration if the guns weren't there.
    And, indeed, count your blessings.


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    Thanks Z... (none / 0) (#159)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 09:35:17 AM EST
    ya just hate to see a beautiful person have to bear so much at one time.  

    It's unpleasant to even contemplate such things...forget about living it.

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    Net Neutrality (2.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:55:18 AM EST
    Can someone explain to me why this is a good idea?

    I and others (Reason Magazine) feel the little guy is going to get screwed because more regulation makes everything harder and the entrenched big boys will be able to game the system through lobbying and money,

    All the promises and end results being used to support this are just that.  Promises, that can easily be broken when power is handed over to the government.

    Just wondering what problem this is supposed to be solving?

    Quick & Easy... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:05:45 AM EST
    ...it means that companies get paid by other companies to ensure you are steered towards paid results rather than the normal algorithm results.

    Imagine using Google, and instead of getting two clearly defined ads for each search, they just list them as results, regardless of usage or popularity or fit, they push results based on whom paid them.

    EXCEPT, it's not a search engine, it's your provider, like Comcast steering you through the internet based on revenue they receive.  Unlike Google, which you can choose not to use, when the provider does it, you don't know it.

    To an extent it's already being used, certain sites, like copyright infringers are blocked by most providers.  The difference now, is you know when they are doing it, without net neutrality you won't.  It's bad for consumers in that we don't have, if you will, 'free will' when surfing.

    And while no one is talking about it, a provider like Comcast, could essentially filter results beyond commercial, like political.  It's the next logical step from filtering commerce, to filtering their agendas/politics.  

    Comcast is pushing to end net neutrality, big time, and the right is taking their money and getting on board.

    I have never heard an argument for ending net neutrality that makes any sense.  IMO it's approaching first amendment issues, but not from posting them, but from anyone seeing them.  The internet should not be filtered by the highest bidder IMO, Comcast and most service providers disagree strongly because, 'There is gold in them there mountains.'

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    Wait a minute (none / 0) (#28)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 11:29:59 AM EST
    The FCC is asking for more regulatory power correct?  Power to do and prevent what?

    Are we currently in a state of net neutrality or are we trying to enter one?  Hence my confusion.

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    To a large extent it is a word game (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 12:12:42 PM EST
    The FCC wants to prevent the carriers from selling "differentiated service." Which means whatever someone wants it to mean. It could mean the carrier slows certain content and speeds up others.  Or not.

    And if the government is saying what the carrier can't do then the Internet is not "neutral." So maybe the FCC should call it "Government Control of the Internet." Of course that is too correct and too honest to be used as a title. So we get "Net Neutrality." Who could be against that?

    As for actual censorship, see Scott's comment, that's a different story. My cable company is my internet carrier but Google Chrome is my Internet Service Provider. I did AOL but am dropping it. I have also had Fire Fox. So if I tried to access CNN and couldn't I would immediately know something was wrong and find the villain.

    But somehow I worry less about a private company censoring what I read/see/hear. That's much more up the government's alley.

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    The FCC Wants the Same Powers They... (none / 0) (#35)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 12:47:49 PM EST
    ...have land lines, for the internet, namely Broadband.  I believe DSL is already covered, but not cable and wireless phone data.

    We are neutral right now.

    They want the power to make sure internet providers are giving you access to everything equally, aka neutral.  They want to ensure that companies like Comcast don't give priority to anyone, including themselves.

    For any normal user or consumer, there isn't one reason not to support other than 'government getting more power'.  I looked around, that is the only argument I can find against it, which to me is silly because the FCC already has the power over other similar communications, like land lines.

    The other part is bandwidth priority, so if you are at home watching Netflix, Comcast could throttle your bandwidth to ensure Comcast gets prioritized bandwidth priority.

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    DSL is broadband technology (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:33:41 PM EST
    for data transmission over copper lines.

    The FCC already has oversight over all long distance traffic. What it wants is not what it is saying. It wants CONTENT control over the Internet, the ability to issue or not issue licenses to transmit over the network just as it now has control over licenses for radio and TV.

    The initial radio regulations were designed to have "over the air neutrality" because the technology limited the frequency range and power of the broadcasts.  And, since the prevailing mindset back then was very Christian conservative content became controlled. E.g. In TV Lucy and Desi had separate beds. Similar things in radio.

    I have no doubt that once the FCC gets its hands on the right to blog we'll have guidelines and government moderators.

    And I don't know when it became the "law" that every Internet user had the God given right to connect to every other Internet user at a defined Quality of Service (QoS). IP doesn't work like that and the network has always had "blockages" based on what the subscriber pays for.  1.5 mb service over DSL is cheaper than 6 MB over fiber or cable, depending on economy of scale and where that provider is at in its ROI for that project.

    It also had blockages based on transmission rates between major Point of Presences (POP) as well as the local network and "the last mile." Given that we went from T1 to 100 gigs in a short period of time we have forgotten the investments required.

    If you want to stop that investment rate and scale bring in the FCC.

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    Currently, who is actually being blocked? (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 11:32:15 AM EST
    And the government won't filter. It will forbid.

    Having said that, IF it can be proven it is a problem then take some action.

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    Slado, here is a good overview (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 11:48:07 AM EST
    provided by the ACLU, which has, as we all know, a pretty significant interest in free speech issues.

    Some excerpts:

    Q. What's the problem?
    A. Most people get their high-speed Internet access from only a few telecommunications giants - Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, and Charter. The very few other smaller guys often have to rely on the big guys to serve their customers. When we send or receive data over the Internet, we expect those companies to transfer that data from one end of the network to the other. Period. We don't expect them to analyze or manipulate it. And for a while, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) had protections in place to prevent broadband providers from doing just that.

    In January 2014, however, a federal court said the FCC had overstepped its bounds. But, while it also said that the FCC could impose new and potentially even stronger rules, the FCC has signaled that it may instead propose that Internet service providers be allowed to charge content providers for a faster conduit to consumers. That would effectively kill a major component of net neutrality.

    [...]

    Q. So what exactly is "net neutrality," and what would it do?
    A. Network neutrality means applying well-established "common carrier" rules to the Internet in order to preserve its freedom and openness. Common carriage prohibits the owner of a network, that holds itself out to all-comers, from discriminating against information by halting, slowing, or otherwise tampering with the transfer of any data (except for legitimate network management purposes such as easing congestion or blocking spam).

    Important Fact: Common carriage is not a new concept - these rules have a centuries-old history. They have long been applied to facilities central to the public life and economy of our nation, including canal systems, railroads, public highways, and telegraph and telephone networks. In fact, common carrier rules have already been written into the Telecommunications Act of 1996 by Congress; they just need to be applied to broadband Internet communications by the FCC.

    Now, if -- like the AOLs of yore -- the broadband provider is also providing information, tools to access the Internet or various types of multi-media content itself, it has the First Amendment right to control that content. Just providing "dumb" pipes meant to move data from user to user, however, is quintessential common carriage.

    [...]

    Q. What can be done to preserve the freedom and openness of the Internet?
    A. The FCC can still protect the Internet. The agency was not blocked outright by the January  court decision from enforcing network neutrality principles. It was blocked from doing so because it had classified broadband carriers as "information services" as defined in the 1996 Telecommunications Act. However, that classification never made sense; broadband carriers always fit much better under the law's definition of "telecommunications services." To remedy this, all the FCC has to do is reclassify Internet carriage as a "telecommunications service," which would automatically subject online communications to common carrier protections. Unfortunately, it has instead said it will propose a rule allowing companies to pay for access to a fast lane to deliver content to their customers. That's still not the end of the story, however. The public will have the opportunity to weigh in before, according to media reports, the FCC votes on the new rules at the end of 2014.

    Now do you get it?  Does this make it make more sense?

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    Yes, true enough (1.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 12:21:55 PM EST
    Important Fact: Common carriage is not a new concept - these rules have a centuries-old history. They have long been applied to facilities central to the public life and economy of our nation, including canal systems, railroads, public highways, and telegraph and telephone networks.

    And when those "centuries-old" rules were voided we invented things like the Internet, cellular service, etc., etc.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#85)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:17:02 AM EST
    I understand the argument for now.

    Now need to understand the arguement against better and make up my mind.  

    It's why I blog on TL.   Can't get this at FoxNews ;).

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    To Anne (none / 0) (#86)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:52:53 AM EST
    It seems that the debate boils down to trust.

    Trust that the FCC will use a 300 plus page bill for the good of the internet and that they will not abuse that trust in the future or more importantly that the new regulations don't create unintended consequences.   Something we should all admit happens at some level no matter how well a bill is thought out beforehand.

    This level of trust typical falls along partisan lines.

    I'm on the fence but this article makes some valid points either way.

    Please make sure you watch the first recommended video at the bottom to get an idea of what some of the realities of the new law could mean for smaller companies and entrepreneurs going forward.

    I worry that we might be empowering the larger content providers in the long run because they will have more lawyers and lobbyists going forward to shape the inevitable new regulations of the future making it harder for the little guy to compete.

    Of course admittedly this concern comes from my natural distrust of giving more control of anything to government.

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    Yeah, Who You Going to Trust ? (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:35:35 AM EST
    The Government of Corporate America.

    For me that is a no-brainer.

    Not sure why republicans have to note the size of Democratic Party bills, but every time, that number has to be stated as if it important to the debate.  

    Would a single page bill be super duper cool with R's ?  And by R's I mean all republicans and  everyone that claims they aren't an R's, but watches Fox News and votes R.

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    Pages matter (none / 0) (#94)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 10:07:03 AM EST
    Because with every page comes a rule or note that can then be used to stop, delay or make something harder.

    Also politicians then pack these bills with exceptions and other goodies for contributors who are typically little guys like you and me.

    The soft sell on the front end is always a grate idea as with this bill.   So if you are 100% sure that the FCC will execute it so that the internet continued to flourish and even improves you'd be an idiot not to right?

    It's just for us a little less assured that reflect on all the broken promises and poor execution plus the always inevitable consequences that say pump the breaks a bit.  

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    So What is the Average Number of Pages... (none / 0) (#95)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 10:59:30 AM EST
    ...of a bill brought up for a vote in Congress ?

    I have no idea, but then again I am not claiming the the number matters.  If I had to guess, 300 is as light as they get.

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    Just when I think (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by sj on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 12:06:46 PM EST
    that you are misguided, but thoughtful about it, you post a knee-jerk "regulation bad" comment.

    How very stone age.

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    Here's a hypothetical example... (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 12, 2015 at 07:53:08 AM EST
    Say you have a choice for internet service that's faster than dial up that's the same as your choice of cable television providers, either Time Warner Cable or Time Warner Cable.

    Do you suppose they want you to pay Netflix for movies, or might they prefer that you go with Time Warner On Demand?

    Even though you're paying them for "fast" internet access, which should mean that you as the customer are covering the cost to download stuff to you regardless of from where that stuff comes, do you think TWC, if there aren't any laws or regulations preventing it, could resist the temptation to give their On Demand service priority over Netflix, so that you get a much more positive viewing experience with the former, which pays them even more of your money on top of your cable modem bill, or with the latter, from which they get no additional revenue?

    There is a case to be made for some discrimination based on the type of traffic--if email goes through a few milliseconds more slowly and streaming video is given priority over it, you probably wouldn't even notice, whereas the other way around you might when your video starts buffering.

    The problem is when the ISP decides to prioritize one stream of streaming video (especially if they have a financial interest in it) over another one.

    If Internet Service Providers could be divorced from content providers, and collusion between the two prohibited, it wouldn't be as much a problem.

    And all that's before we get into your ISP deciding that you shouldn't be allowed to access Al Jazeera's web site for political reasons, or something like that.

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    The problem is that the Internet is not (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 07:53:10 AM EST
    under government control.

    I remember when you could not own your own phone and when Private Automatic Branch Exchanges (PABX), small telephone exchanges designed for business use, had to be owned by the telephone company and leased by the business. The Carterphone decision in '68 started the break up which spun into the Feds deregulation and break up of Ma Bell.

    All of the advances we see come from these events which turned loose the engineers and manufacturers.

    The Telecommunications Act of 1996 provided jet fuel for the industry.

    The supposed fear is that the "little guy" will get trampled by the "big guy."

    If that happens, and I emphasize IF, there's time enough for the really big guy, the FCC, to act.

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    So why does it need to be? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 08:32:25 AM EST
    Seems to be working fine right now.

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    because Comcast and Verizon (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:17:13 PM EST
    Are trying to change it.  They have been in a big public fight with Netflix over this in particular.  Because they were slowing down people's Netflix connections since netflix competes with them by offering television shows.  Comcast and Verizon are trying desperately to cut back on people cancelling cable TV by messing with their internet service.

    The only reason things seem fine now is that neflix paid Verizon and comcast last year to maintain the service - not from netflix's end - but for you trying to use it (which is already paid for by you).  Net neutrality would eliminate that.  This is hugely important for an open internet because smaller companies who aren't netflix can't afford to bribe Verizon and comcast just do you can access their site.

    The idea is if its online - the speed should be the same for you the end user whether you are on netflix or on some other site, since that's what you're paying for.

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    It doesn't (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 11:21:43 AM EST
    except to people who think the first choice is always government regulation.

    I don't mind regulation after it is shown there is a valid reason for it.

    So far that hasn't  happened.

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    I would think (none / 0) (#64)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:09:45 PM EST
    that government regulations that ensure free market principles would be right up your alley.    

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    Hmmm, I don't think (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 07:56:47 PM EST
    "free market principles" say that every provider of a product or service is supposed to provide the same product or service. In fact, I think they would be the opposite of that.

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    Bingo! (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 02:41:28 AM EST
    And that's where government regulation comes in, to ensure that your ISP doesn't tamper with your ability to access web content, by favoring some companies, organizations, etc., over others, based on their ability to pay an additional toll or surcharge to the ISP. Because just like the radio and TV airwaves, the internet is considered part of the public domain.

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    You are confusing (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:04:06 AM EST
    Internet Service Provider - ISP - with your Internet carrier. e.g. Bellsouth can be my carrier that connects me to ATT's own ISP or anyone else's ISP that meets the technical and contractual requirements/agreements.

    I pay for two things. I pay ATT for transport to AOL. I pay AOL to provide me with connections to other computers/servers/sources with ATT or other carriers. Many ISP's are "free." See Google Chrome.
    AOL provides additional content. Chrome doesn't.

    So it occurs to me that as long as my carrier is meeting its contractual agreement to provide me with the bandwidth I purchased I have no complaint. In ATT's case that is 1.5MBS. I have changed to my local TV cable carrier who is providing me 6 MBS at a lower price.

    It is interesting that this kerfunkle is mostly between Comcast and Netflic. If someone is purchasing carrier services from Comcast to be ..e.g.... 6 MBS then they should be able to receive 6 MBS.

    Netflic and Comcast's kerfunkle is not over your rights... It is over Netflic's right to eat up more and more of the available bandwidth. And if Netflic contracts for Comcast to transport X amount of data and if Comcast slows that down then it is obvious that Comcast is in violation of its contract with Netflic. i.e. Comcast didn't contract with you to provide you Netflic.

    The 800 lb gorilla the FCC isn't talking about is this:

    If the Comcast and Time Warner Cable merger is approved, the combined company's footprint will pass over 60 percent of U.S. broadband households, after the proposed divestiture, with most of those homes having Comcast as the only option for truly high-speed broadband (>10Mbps).

    What that means is that Netflic will be in a very poor negotiating position over transport fees. Yet 60% of the homes/offices will have at least two carriers to choose from.

    Netflix, on the other hand, has nothing invested in keeping cable companies happy or profitable. ISPs may stream Netflix's content over their pipes, but the two sides are natural competitors in the video space -- where cable companies make their main profits
    .

    Bandwidth is not unlimited.

    As long as cable TV remains dominant, Netflix's 30% of the country's Internet traffic is at risk simply because it has to rely on gatekeepers who are also competitors

    Forbes

    Somebody is going to have to invest a ton of money to expand the carrier network and install fiber in "the last mile" to the home/office.

    So far the Internet has blossomed. Bringing the government in will stop that growth.

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    Oy (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by sj on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:20:25 AM EST
    So far the Internet has blossomed. Bringing the government in will stop that growth.

    The reason "the government" needs to take a stand is to make sure that the blossoms the providers offer aren't bindweed.
    You say this.

    That's why I said that I am not against ALL regulation.

    And yet Every. Stand. You. Take. indicates that you are being severely dishonest either with us or with yourself.

    Where do you find your blinders, by the way? I hope they come in nice colors.


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    So, I am supposed to list all (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:44:49 AM EST
    regulations I am for??

    lol

    Look at the record. The Internet has grown without FCC regulation.

    The voice/data telephone systems grew when deregulated....

    How inexpensive has air travel become since deregulation????

    That should give you a hint that your blinders are painted black. On both sides.

    I repeat. Nothing wrong with reasonable regulation. 87 proof gas and 90 proof booze should be 87 and 90. Telling the suppliers what the package should look like, no.

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    Now that I think on it (none / 0) (#103)
    by sj on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:47:11 AM EST
    Your so-called logic is very much like bindweed. It chokes all the healthy discussion so that more bindweed can take root.

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    And I am keeping you from making a (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 02:03:32 PM EST
    detailed response regarding??

    Here's another one. The FDA needs an overhaul. It takes too long to get a drug approved and its patent is too long after it is.

    OTOH the so called "mixing pharmacies" need more regulation and supervision per the problems last year.

    And how accurate are gasoline pumps?? A 5% shortage at $3.00/gallon is $3.00 with a 20 gallon fill up.

    Speaking of gasoline. Those EPA mandated portable containers make filling up yard tools a guaranteed spill into the environment.

    And, of course shutting down all those coal power plants is one step beyond stupid.

    But its your turn. Name me some regulations you don't like.

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    I'm not diving into your (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by sj on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 02:35:27 PM EST
    garden full of bindweed. Or following you as you move the goal posts. Or whatever metaphor of your choice.

    I'm just annoyed as all he!! at your blog-clogging.

    You talk and talk and talk and talk, but, to quote Mercutio, "Thou talk'st of nothing." It's just a bunch of words.

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    sj (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:09:54 PM EST
    I could be wrong, but I don't believe you have the necessary formal psychological training to discuss policy with someone who's said a few times here that the U.S needs to completely dissolve the EPA -- which is basically the same as saying we don't to protect the environment at all..

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    Let me help you (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:37:41 PM EST
    There are a bunch of federal agencies that we need to dissolve and start over.

    All bureaucracies start off with great intentions and usually accomplish some good things. The EPA is a perfect example. It did a fine job of cleaning up our air and water... But then, when it reached its practical limit it became seized with the "Gotta manufacture some tasks so we can keep our jobs get more money and our more people to find some more tasks...." virus.

    They need the "Know when to say when" rule enforced.

    Question. If you could travel half the distance between NYC and Boston each day how long would it take you to get there?

    I don't think sj or even you need an advanced degree to understand that.

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    Help me out some more, Doc.. (none / 0) (#126)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:45:07 PM EST
    dissolve the agencies and "start over" doing what precisely?

    It's a small child's level of understanding that believes that you just "clean up" air, water, and soil once and forever and don't need to protect and conserve them afterward for the future..

    Some further schooling might not be a bad idea..

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    We had a discussion about a subject you (none / 0) (#128)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 05:01:47 PM EST
    didn't like my position on??

    Slado, Scott, Donald, Anne, FlJoe, fishcamp and I had a discussion over two days re the FCC's attempt to regulate the Internet.

    You're the one who jumped in with wild claims. At that point we collectively had 9 or so comments out of 123 about a subject that we were interested in.

    I merely pointed that your claim of dishonesty is incorrect and noted some things I believe. jondee decided to snark a bit.

    On review I probably should have just noted that there were a lot comments in this Open Thread about the Grammys and music. Since I had no interest in them I just skipped down and then skipped on down past the snow shoveling and Williams...etc.

    I hope you get my point. I'm done here.

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    Correction (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by sj on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 11:22:44 AM EST
    Slado, Scott, Donald, Anne, FlJoe, fishcamp and I had a discussion over two days re the FCC's attempt to regulate the Internet.
    Slado, Scott, Donald, Anne, FlJoe, fishcamp had that discussion. You? Not so much. Just the usual blog clogging.

    But I'm glad you're done here for now. Thank you for that at least.

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    And you appear... (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by unitron on Thu Feb 12, 2015 at 07:35:16 AM EST
    ..., in the case of Google Chrome, to have confused a browser with an Internet Service Provider.

    In some "not dial up" cases, people can get the actual physical connection, the "last mile" of wire of some sort or fiber optic cable, from one company, and the connection of that to the internet from a different company, but in most cases the phone company that provides a DSL hook up or the cable company that provides cable modem service is also the only choice for internet connectivity for that hook up.

    So regardless of whether I'm using Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Pale Moon, Opera, or some other browser, if I want something faster than dial up, I can go with DSL from whoever most recently bought up the local phone company, or go with cable from Time Warner Cable, or possibly one of those phone line up, satellite down kludges.

    For cable TV, we have a choice of Time Warner or Time Warner.

    (full disclosure: Earthlink bought up the dial up ISP that bought up the one that bought up the one that bought up the one that I started with back in the late '90s, so Earthlink holds hostage all of my email addresses, so what I really get now that I've moved off of dial up is TWC cable internet as part of our TWC cable, with one monthly bill that covers both, but it's labeled Earthlink with Earthlink probably getting a small cut to serve as my email provider.

    In the event of technical problems I can call either one and get referred to the other.)

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    jim, I'm sure you know that AOL (none / 0) (#105)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 12:56:23 PM EST
    has a free version that you can switch to and keep your same name.  There's really no reason to pay the high cost of AOL when Google is there to answer all your questions.  I do realize the paid version of AOL has extra benefits, but I don't miss them at all since switching to the free version.

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    Thanks and yes, I knew (none / 0) (#110)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 01:53:03 PM EST
    but all the problems with AOL has just become toxic I have gone Google Chrome.  Kinda sad. Been with'em since around 1996.

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    Do you (none / 0) (#87)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:33:15 AM EST
    even realize that unfettered monopolistic corporations could easily destroy your precious free market?

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    Why yes. (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:08:21 AM EST
    Yes I do.

    That's why I said that I am not against ALL regulation.

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    I have a feeling that Brian (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 09:14:10 PM EST
    is going to be showing up in a lot of photos in places he's never been.

    I hope you realize, Jeralyn, that the MRC ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 09:36:43 PM EST
    ... is Ground Zero for far-right lunaticology. One would be hard-pressed to find a bigger gathering of poisonous know-nothings in one website.

    MRC (2.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:20:11 AM EST
    Gives a counter theme to the way the media reports on certain issues and attempts to point out when they feel an issue or subject is being slanted to the left or just isn't true in their eyes.

    It is the counter view and almost exactly the polar opposite of Media Matters.

    Il see your Right Wing Lunacy and raise you Left Wing Propaganda.  

    If you consume both you get an interesting perspective that all media is slanted one way or another and sometimes by the people or media outlets you least expect.   Meaning sometimes both sides complain about stories that come from a media outlet that usually leans their direction.

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    "If you consume both" (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 10:09:08 AM EST
    Of course!  If you "consume both" you teach at reasonable middle ground.  Like a science student studying both evolution and creationism.

    Oy.

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    MRC merely serves ... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:00:51 AM EST
    J, the fashionista red carpet critic! (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 09:48:49 PM EST
    Maybe you snag a press credential for NY fashion week.

    I'd love to, but (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Feb 08, 2015 at 10:12:47 PM EST
    I don't think I'd get one. I can't even pick who's in the top three on Project Runway most weeks.

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    Well, you sure know what you DON'T like. (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:39:36 AM EST
    Isn't that really all you need? It worked for Joan Rivers!

    I think I'm disqualified from doing so, since I grew up in the Age of Polyester.

    I mean, really, what were we thinking?

    Seriously.

    And then, as the '70s turned into the '80s, we hit the gym, picturing ourselves looking like this, while everybody else merely saw this.

    Because for some obscure reason probably best forgotten, we thought we could look like this. Or if we had the hair, like this.

    Unfortunately, most of us ended up like this.

    And by the time the '90s rolled around, we were simply hopeless.

    ;-D

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    Speak for yourself. (none / 0) (#88)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:07:18 AM EST
    I managed to avoid polyester and other unnatural fibers until polar fleece came on to the scene - but living in Colorado that was more due to an aversion to frostbite than any sort of fashion.  

    As for the see through stuff - yeah, no.

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    You were the exception, not the rule. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:19:00 PM EST
    In obvious retrospect, the '70s and '80s were a black hole for American fashion. Even the movie "American Hustle" couldn't resist the occasional digs at what we were wearing back then. There's nothing dashing or glamorous about polyester and wide lapels / collars. So many of us were our own best parody.

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    I think it was the comedian Sinbad (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:38:58 PM EST
    who said in one of his stand-up routines, that the Sexual Revolution took place in the late 60's and the 70's precisely because the clothes were so ugly - you couldn't wait to get your partner out of them so you didn't have to look at them anymore.


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    LOL! He probably had a point. (none / 0) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:13:03 PM EST
    Even as a dedicated follower of fashion, I've never actually understood the evolution of fashion style. But at least now, I know what looks good on me and what doesn't, and I've learned that one of the secrets to happiness in life is developing an ability to age gracefully, by accepting where you are at any one moment in time.

    Women may fret openly about age and style, but from my perspective, they don't have anywhere near the actual number of hangups that men have about the subject, which is further compounded by the fact that we menfolk usually can't admit to having any of those hangups, even to ourselves. We're terribly vain about our own looks and personal appearance.

    I see men about my own age (I'll turn 54 next week) who obviously dye their hair while strenuously denying that they're doing so, and who try to dress like they're 25 years younger. It just doesn't work and generally looks really pathetic. If I've learned one thing as a longtime clothes horse, it's that while hot fashion trends look way cool initially, their shelf life is actually quite short. We need to dress our age, and not our kids' age.

    Aloha.

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    Please Add... (none / 0) (#125)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:43:44 PM EST
    ...not speaking for all men, please don't project your beliefs upon all of us.

    I know what looks good on me, I knew it when I was young, and sorry to say, but just because you grew a stash and wore polyester doesn't mean that most men are insecure/clueless about their fashion sense.

    I would not be embarrassed to wear anything I have owned since highschool.  No stashes, no goatees/beards, no crazy fashion threads, just timeless clothes that fit well.

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    I'm not projecting. (none / 0) (#131)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 05:49:04 PM EST
    I'm simply stating a generalization that's based upon my own observation of men of my own generation. No, not all men are overly vain about their looks. But there are one helluva lot of guys out there who are, especially those who are my age and older.

    You need to remember, Scott, that you're also much younger than me. It's a lot easier for you to wear clothes that were obviously designed and tailored with younger men in mind, and not stand out in a crowd for all the wrong reasons.

    But for a guy like me who's on the cusp of 54, doing so would be highly problematic. I'm not out of shape by any means, and could likely still fit comfortably in clothes I wore in my early thirties. I'm simply older now and further, I look it. (My hair's growing back from chemo, and I'm noticeably grey.) Were I to dress as a 30-year-old, I'd likely come off to others as an old letch -- or worse.

    I wouldn't expect you to yet notice such things, because you've not reached that age where "male menopause" kicks in. Suffice to say that the psychological maladies which accompany noticeable declines in our hormonal levels, personal energy, sex drive, etc., can cause a lot of us men to make some hilariously foolish personal choices in fashion, hairstyles, plastic surgery, etc., in our efforts to defer or deny the encroachment of time upon our bodies.

    It's my contention that one can either accept the effects of middle age and simply go with it, or not. And on that, I'll conclude by noting that "Clairol's Just for Men" wouldn't be occupying prominent shelf space in stores, were middle-aged men in denial not present out there in some pretty considerable numbers.

    Aloha.

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    I agree with Scott, you are projecting. (none / 0) (#135)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    In my observation it's a relatively small group of like-aged men who act/dress/dye the fool.

    However, those that do are pretty hard to ignore as they stick out like sore thumbs.

    I'm 52.

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    I'm 45... (none / 0) (#158)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 09:31:44 AM EST
    ...in a couple of months.  So 9 years, and I feel pretty confident that my confidence won't be folding anytime soon.  

    I have friends similar to you, and I always mock them and say something like, remember you are aiding the fashion industry in driving men to feel so insecure they will buy whatever non-sense they are peddling.  They laugh and head off to their pedicures/manicures.  I swear to G on this, my friend told me Sunday that he just bought cucumber eye pads that he keeps in the fridge and takes them with him when he gets a massage.  Apparently he thinks his eyes are getting dark.

    After I stopped laughing, I went home and asked the GF about cucumber pads.  When she stopped laughing, she pulled out cucumber cream of some sort and told me this is really what he should use.

    Are you fricken kidding me.  Men actively partaking in their own demise.  And no disrespect to women, but they are basically taking that model and applying it to men, making them feel so inadequate, they will buy anything in hopes that it will make them feel infinitesimally better about themselves.  And they do, but never enough and that is a damn shame IMO.

    What is so sad, is they are proud of it.  I will say this, they clean up with the ladies, but at what cost, and while I ain't been in the game for a bit, I can make a descent living without sacrificing what makes me, me.

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    Ah, Scott (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:17:24 AM EST
    MORE men should get pedis.  

    'Nuff said.

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    So...who do you think started (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:48:13 AM EST
    the fashion industry - Adam or Eve?  And why is it, do you think, that men didn't just keep wearing fig leaves and animal skins through to the present day?

    Did it start with Eve saying, "uh...is that what you're wearing?" which we all know is code for, "nope, buddy - go back and try again, and this time, wear something I'd approve of."

    I'm 61, I know I don't look like I did when I was in my 20's, and I know I'm never again going to look like that.  I just want to age gracefully, not embarrass myself or my family, and have some dignity.  I'd like to lose some weight, but that's more about health, not looks - although I wouldn't mind looking "better."

    Here's the thing: in our heads, we are all still young, aren't we?  It's that chance encounter with a full-length mirror, or a camera, that brings us back to reality and we have to acknowledge that we've aged.  But what do our outsides have to do with our insides?  Not much, I don't think, unless we allow ourselves to be made lesser by ad campaigns and societal pressures.

    So, if I don't have my 20's looks, how can I call myself happy or successful?  I have a husband of 34 years that I love, who loves me, I have two great daughters, two wonderful sons-in-law, and two grandsons I love to the moon and back.  My mom is still going strong.  We don't have as much as some people, but we have so much more than too many people.  

    Last night I watched an installment of Frontline - Being Mortal - with Atul Gawande, a surgeon who's also an author, who wanted to explore end-of-life issues and how doctors and families are dealing with them.  It was just so well done, I recorded it and will watch it again.  I mention it because it brought home the things that are really important - and having Vogue- and Hollywood-approved looks aren't among them.

    So, fashion-schmashion.  Wear what makes you feel good, and the heck with everyone else!

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    Here's the link to the actual show: (none / 0) (#165)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50:03 AM EST
    here.

    The link in my comment, above, is to an interview with Dr. Gawande.

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    "Timeless clothes that fit well"... (none / 0) (#132)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 06:09:28 PM EST
    that's the difference between style and fashion.  What you're describing is style - wearing what you like, what fits you physically as well as fits your personality.  Style is developed over the course of a lifetime while fashion is a transitory, fleeting thing.  

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    He's a dedicated follower of fashion... (none / 0) (#147)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 09:07:20 PM EST
    The Kinks.

    There's one thing that he loves and that is flattery.
    One week he's in polka-dots, the next week he's in stripes.
    'Cause he's a dedicated follower of fashion.


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    For some reason... (none / 0) (#149)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:12:47 PM EST
    that song popped into my mind as well.

    Got to love the classics.

    Parent

    Oh yes he is.... (none / 0) (#157)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 09:26:36 AM EST
    Oh yes he is!

    Good to see you around Mile...your prolonged absences make the ol' crew nervous.  Don't be a stranger!

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    Speaking of fashions (none / 0) (#170)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 12:50:04 PM EST
    and trends, Ray and the Kinks were Punk and New Wave before there was Punk and New Wave.

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    Still holding out hope... (none / 0) (#180)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 12, 2015 at 08:22:29 AM EST
    for a Davies brothers reconciliation and tour...is this the year?  Saw Dave once, saw Ray several times...never seen Dave and Ray.

    Here's some of that embryo stage punk you're talking about...Till The End Of The Day.

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#155)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 08:06:26 AM EST
    My BF turns 52 today.  And while he is basically oblivious to fashion, we still have the conversation from time to time about him dying his beard.  Mind you, I don't care that he had lots of gray mixed in with the brown/red, but he goes back and forth about coloring it.  Sometimes he looks in the mirror and has the whole conversation by himself, while I sit by and say, "Dye it, don't dye it, whatever will make you happy.". Then he'll talk about shaving it if until I remind him that if he does that, he'll have to shave every day, at which point, the conversation changes.  :)

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    "gray mixed in with the brown/red," (none / 0) (#166)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 11:12:49 AM EST
    The trouble is, that mix of brown/red will disappear along with the grey.  Most dye jobs are gruesomely monochrome.

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    That's his fear (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 11:48:48 AM EST
    Like I said - I don't care if he wants to dye it (I like it the way it is, but it isn't on my face, so ultimately not my decision).

    I humor him because I don't think he wants to do it, but I think he thinks it makes him seem old.  Personally, I just think he's sexy, and I tell him so.  ;)

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    Except I wasn't the exception. (none / 0) (#133)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 06:24:58 PM EST
    I grew up in the Midwest where the old adage that by the time fashion reached us from the coasts, it was out-of-date held true.  Our clothing (and what was carried in the stores) reflected that along with the mostly white, middle class, conservative style that was the "rule".

    Like Scott, I'm comfortable wearing the style that I did when I was young because it is style - my style - not fashion.  And I'm older than you are.

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    I wouldn't let that determine to yourself (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:42:39 PM EST
    Whether or not you have a finger on the existing fashion pulse and where it's really going Jeralyn.  

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    and we couldn't figure out who "pasty legs" was, then, right when he transformed into "fish out of water," I googled around and found TL saying it was acdc.

    Thanks J!


    AC/DC (none / 0) (#11)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:59:13 AM EST
    Slado's favorite band.

    I'm really annoyed I didn't know they were playing.   My fandom is now called into question.  

    Trying to find online performance.   If anyone can share a link much appreciated.

    It's been a rough year for them.  Rolling Stone  So I hope they rocked it.

    As to the predictable reaction from some about the "devil" relax.  I'm not speaking to the TL community obviously.  

    AC/DCs previous lead singer Bon Scott died from alchohal poisoning and most contain he died from choking on his own vomit in his sleep right after the album was released in 1979.

    Ironically Highway to Hell (and the accompanying track) were inspired by life on the road in a rock band and how it is rough and not a saintly adventure.  Also back then rock/metal bands just sang about hell a lot.  

    Brian Johnson the singer (who you saw last night)  since then replaced Bon Scott even though the band considered breaking up and in 1980 they produced the greatest Rock/Metal album ever, Back in Black.  A tribute to Bon Scott and just an incredible album.

    If you've never seen them live I highly recommend it.   Angus is for me one of the top 5 or 10 guitarists to ever play and as you could see he brings it every night.  

    AC/DC rocked it. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 06:53:13 AM EST
    How folks could not recognize the iconic Angus Young and his schoolboy outfit, I'll never understand.

    Slado, you can find a video of the performance at Rollingstone.com.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#20)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 07:32:14 AM EST
    On my way.

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    In fact, Slado, the video is embedded ... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:54:07 PM EST
    .. in the link to Rolling Stone you provided above in your own post!

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    According to the ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:17:36 AM EST
    ... Recording Industry Association of America, with over 40 million records sold, "Back in Black" is the sixth biggest selling album in history. It's surpassed only by "The Eagles: Their Greatest Hits (1971-1975)," Meat Loaf's "Bat Out of Hell," Whitney Houston's "The Bodyguard Original Soundtrack," Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and Michael Jackson's "Thriller."

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    Thanks for that info (none / 0) (#15)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:41:30 AM EST
    Really just a fabulous record from start to finish.

    Many a High School and college night spent listening to my CD.   To the point my roommate in college threatened to burn it if I wouldn't play something else.

    Alright, hey there all you middle men
    Throw away your fancy clothes
    And while your out there sitting on the fence
    So get off your ass and come down here
    Because Rock an Roll ain't no riddle man
    To me it makes good, good sense
    Good sense, let's go...

    Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution
    Rock an Roll will never die
    Rock and roll Ain't no Pollution
    Rock an Roll will never die



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    You know (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Slado on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:43:55 AM EST
    Reading the morning news while listening to Ac/DC isn't bad.

    Thanks to TL for the inspiration.

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    Probably even better... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 12:46:09 PM EST
    if you skip the morning news!  TL'ers...we're gluttons for punishment that way.

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    One of the Bars I Used to Regular... (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:15:10 PM EST
    ...had this song on the juke box, and this was my goto goof-ball lipsync show for girls I took there.  It's funny because it so disgustingly male and if released today I am pretty sure it would not get air time:
    Don't you struggle
    Don't you fight
    Don't you worry cause it's your turn tonight
    Let me put my love into you babe

    And while pretty much everyone knows the lyrics to that song, hardly anyone gives them a second thought.

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    Alotta classics... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:57:20 PM EST
    might not make it today...like one of my fave Stones songs, the statuatory-rapey "Stray Cat Blues".

    I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
    I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
    There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
    But it's no hanging matter
    It's no capital crime
    I can see that you're fifteen years old
    No I don't want your I.D.
    And I can see that you're so far from home
    But it's no hanging matter
    It's no capital crime

    Perhaps not capital, but I'm pretty sure it's a felony Mick.

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    Best girl cringing song has to (none / 0) (#152)
    by Slado on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 04:25:14 AM EST
    Go to...Big Balls

    Well I'm up or upper-class high society
    Gods gift to all room notoriety
    And I always feel my ballrooms
    The adventures never small
    The social papers say I got the biggest balls of all...

    It only gets better from there.

    My boys favorite AC/DC song is "Jailbreak". We don't tell mom about that.


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    I give you (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:35:24 PM EST
    The 16 snow removal personalities.

    Link

    I started out the season as a perfectionist.  Then became a lazy shoveler, and today I'm trying out the procrastinator.

    I'm an (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Reconstructionist on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:47:36 PM EST
     incrementalist, perfectionist traditionalist.

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    I am Definitely a... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:06:06 PM EST
    ...procrastinator.  In Milwaukee one year, I left my car parked on the street for the entire winter because it was too snowed in.  I didn't use public transportation, mountain biked it or caught rides with others.

    When it finally melted, I realized someone broke my back window to get at some speakers.

    No shoveling in Texas.

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    I'm a Traditionalist... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 01:43:23 PM EST
    the John Henry of shovelers, doing the classic man v machine battle against the neighbor's snowblower.

    And a former child-laborer...if I was 13 again and living in Beantown I'd be a filthy rich 13 year old right now.  Present day me would probably turn into "The Libertarian" at this point.

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    I'm hoping for a snow angel (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:05:05 PM EST
    But realistically I'll be out there tomorrow, getting it done.  My excuse today being that I live in a 3-decker with two other apartments and I've shoveled the sidewalk every storm so far, so I thought I'd give them an opportunity at least, we'll see if they take it.

    Also it's not gonna stop snowing till tomorrow morning anyway.

    As a kid we were the family out there together.  Or at least the kids in the house + dad.  I miss having all that assistance.

    The problem with the libertarian is that it comes back to bite you.  If you throw the snow in the street the snow plow just shoves it back into the side of your car, only now its heavier with oil and ice.  If you throw it on the neighbor's walk they'll blow it right back onto yours.

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    Here, people set up lawn chairs (none / 0) (#49)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:18:10 PM EST
    to "hold" the parking spaces they've spent all day shoveling their cars out of; take one of those spaces and you could be putting your life at risk: people have been shot for doing that.

    One of the blessings of country life is that there's no one to resent for not doing his or her share of shoveling; it's just us and the tractor with the snow blade...

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    NYC... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:35:55 PM EST
    is the same way, people try the lawn chair or traffic cone reserved spot trick...so annoying.

    Yes, I understand you dug your car out.  But you don't own the spot till the thaw just because you shoveled your car out...street parking is public parking.  The only way to keep that spot is to keep your car in it...life isn't fair.

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    in Boston (none / 0) (#54)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:02:50 PM EST
    The new mayor recently came out in favor of space savors.  The old one had a bit of a war with the neighborhoods over it, one time coming through with a dump truck.  Its touchy stuff.  I don't use one myself, but I'm also in a neighborhood where its unlikely someone will take my spot.  Not gonna lie though, I've thought about it. We've had so much snow, and almost none of it melted, just enough to make the old snow heavy, so any spot that hasn't already been dug out is about 5-6 feet high from people adding to it, with dense snow.  Coming home to that is an ugly prospect.

    But in a usual winter, where we get 1-2 feet at a time, I really hate the space savers.  Now it's just a begrudging "I get it".  The city looks like a cartoon version of winter.

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    I'd never do the neighbors dirty... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:19:54 PM EST
    but when you clean the top of the driveway for the 2nd time and the plow comes by to make an impenetrable ice dam for the third f*ckin' time...back in the street it goes and hope the plow don't come back;)

    Hold on a sec...your dad helped?  No fair! My dad always said "this is why I had kids, get your brother and get the f8ckin' shovels!!!" Fast forward 20 minutes and I'm burying my brother's face in the snow because either he ain't helping or he's workin' too damn slow.  I never could tolerate an able-bodied malingerer, especially when it's flesh and blood.

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    I think (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:14:59 PM EST
    He secretly enjoyed the chance to play with his kids in the snow.  Plus I had 2 sisters and lived in a 2 family with 2 boys the same age downstairs.  We had a whole crew.  Definitely more play than work.

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    Post shoveling... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:27:34 PM EST
    was time for tackle football in the street, before the plows came and ruined the makeshift gridiron of white.

    Sh*t who am I kidding, I still do that if I can find the players!;) I'll never forget the record Blizzard of 1996...got snowed in at the best possible place, the neighborhood bar.  Epic game of tackle football in the street around 2 am, boxed out of our minds.  Good times.


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    Sometimes, I just don't know anymore... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:00:46 PM EST
    Your tax dollars at work:

    Are you, your family or your community at risk of turning to violent extremism? That's the premise behind a rating system devised by the National Counterterrorism Center, according to a document marked For Official Use Only and obtained by The Intercept.

    The document-and the rating system-is part of a wider strategy for Countering Violent Extremism, which calls for local community and religious leaders to work together with law enforcement and other government agencies. The White House has made this approach a centerpiece of its response to terrorist attacks around the world and in the wake of the Paris attacks, announced plans to host an international summit on Countering Violent Extremism on February 18th.

    The rating system, part of a 36-page document dated May 2014 and titled "Countering Violent Extremism: A Guide for Practitioners and Analysts," suggests that police, social workers and educators rate individuals on a scale of one to five in categories such as: "Expressions of Hopelessness, Futility," "Talk of Harming Self or Others," and "Connection to Group Identity (Race, Nationality, Religion, Ethnicity)." The ranking system is supposed to alert government officials to individuals at risk of turning to radical violence, and to families or communities at risk of incubating extremist ideologies.

    Families are judged on factors such as "Aware[ness] of Each Other's Activities," as well as levels of "Parent-Child Bonding," and communities are rated by access to health care and social services, in addition to "presence of ideologues or recruiters" as potential risk factors.

    And I don't feel better that other countries are getting into this act:

    The U.S. government isn't alone in its attempts to spot youth allegedly at risk of becoming terrorists. The government of France recently issued a widely mocked graphic demonstrating ostensible warning signs of radicalization, which suggested that abrupt diet or lifestyle changes are correlated with proclivities for violent extremism. (White House counterterrorism adviser Lisa Monaco last April warned parents and community members to look out for "subtle" signs, like "sudden personality changes in their children at home--becoming confrontational.")

    The British government has put forward a plan to begin monitoring signs of radicalization at the pre-school level, and in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, children in France as young as eight years old have been detained and questioned by police for allegedly espousing radical views.

    Yeesh.  

    So You Pose No Problem... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 02:09:58 PM EST
    ...if you are the definition of the nuclear family from the 1950's and white of course.  Sounds like Obama had a couple republicans writing terrorism policy, with an 80's splash of spying on your neighbors.

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    Forget the neighbors... (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:46:50 PM EST
    a strong flavor of Orwellian junior spies ratting out their parents, and vice versa.

    I don't think furthering this distrust of one another is the answer to violent extremism, it's part of what got us to this violent place...but what do I know. Safe to say I ain't gettin' with this program...or should I say pogrom?

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    Whatever you plot, don't talk about it in front (none / 0) (#106)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 12:59:36 PM EST
    of your Samsung "Big Brother" TV.

    The world's biggest maker of TVs said its Web-connected sets can collect private conversations when users activate its voice-recognition function.


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    Oy! (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:55:50 PM EST
    I hate to go all Godwin's Law here, but..........

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    That's Why I Hate That Law... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:35:56 PM EST
    ...anytime you want to relate anything to a group fascist thugs, all of a sudden you are invoking a law.

    So how about the Gestapo, the Stasi, or the KGB, all very fond of people ratting on their families and neighbors.  At least they were rewarded, here they the reward is a false sense of security, which ain't worth nothin'.

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    Mocketh not. (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 05:09:43 PM EST
    The government of France recently issued a widely mocked graphic demonstrating ostensible warning signs of radicalization, which suggested that abrupt diet or lifestyle changes are correlated with proclivities for violent extremism.

    I dunno.

    I changed my diet recently, eating more vegetables and less diet soda, and I must admit that warning signs of radicalization were knocking on the door within minutes.

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    Oh, no, lentinel! (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 07:22:31 PM EST
    Obviously, I have to report you!
    And I guess you'll have to report me, too, because I have modified my diet for purposes of weight loss, as well as various medical reasons.
    Clearly, we are on the path to "violent extremism."
    Vegetables are definitely a sign of radicalization.
    Beware, people, I'm reaching for my kale and arugula!

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    It's a slippery slope. (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by lentinel on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 08:03:26 PM EST
    Under intense questioning, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted that it all began with salad.

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    Does refusing to buy processed food (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by nycstray on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 08:50:37 PM EST
    make me a terrorist?

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    Maybe not in France, (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:30:11 PM EST
    But that might well make you look suspicious here, stray.
    ;-)

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    I'm sure you're already on a list (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    because of your habit of growing and canning your own food; heck, all of us with pressure cookers are probably on a list...you know, world domination, one jar of pickles at a time.

    I'm sure my new exploration of essential oils has me on a watch list, too.

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    I been watching the rerun of Breaking Bad (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:09:39 PM EST
    its funny how different many of the characters feel and sound in things they are saying and doing before and after you know the end of the story and what everyone is capable of and the writing plays on that.
    Especially Walt.  Caught up the story you are so completely invested in the fact that he is dying and understanding why he might do these things you lose sight of what a monster he became.  
    I am enjoying it just as much the second time.

    "Better Call Saul" premiered last night. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:20:58 PM EST
    Did you get a chance to catch it? We recorded it for viewing later this week. I guess there's also another episode tonight, so we'll record that one, too. I detest watching serials out of sequence.

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    Pretty tame last night but it laid a nice base (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 03:46:55 PM EST
    for future craziness.

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    That's probably a good thing. (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:20:44 PM EST
    A much-anticipated show like "Saul" should be rolled out, and give its audience time to get to know and understand the characters. I'm glad it's not just jumping feet first into frenetic mayhem from the get-go.

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    I thought it was excellent (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:28:35 PM EST
    Saul and Mike were two of my favorite characters from BB.

    It's many or most of the same people and writers.  I expect to see cameos.  Also. I was just reading something online that was pointing out that we do not know for sure that Walter White is dead.   It's true.  
    I love that Saul ended up just as he said managing a Cinabon.

    I hope and expect that the series will come back to the present and bring him out of retirement.   Maybe Walt will walk into the doughnut shop.

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    Walter White is dead. (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 03:41:48 PM EST
    But since "Saul" is actually a prequel that's set years prior to the events on "Breaking Bad," Walt's certainly not dead yet. It would really be a kick to see him and wife Skyler show up in a cameo to flaunt their benign, middle class and pre-drug kingpin lifestyle.

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    Saul is currently a prequel (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:21:39 PM EST
    but it opened in the present.  There is no reason why it can't come back to the present.  And I just rewatched the series.  You can not in fact know Walter is dead.

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    I loved that B&W cold open (none / 0) (#173)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 04:22:56 PM EST
    at the Cinnabon. That was wonderful. And the set-up with his brother the shut-in and the law firm.

    Watching Episode 2 tonight.

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    ... as Saul soon ran afoul of Walt's and Jesse's old nemesis Tuco as played by Raymond Cruz, who freely credits the producers of TNT's "Major Crimes" -- where he stars as LAPD Det. Julio Sanchez -- for accommodating his opportunity to reprise his "Beaking Bad" role for "Saul."

    This should be fun.

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    Still Can't Get Out of... (none / 0) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 04:39:01 PM EST
    ...season one.  I really don't get it, I find the entire premise implausible and basically a show about what people think happens, not reality.

    Like people believing movies in regards to cop shootouts were the hero dives some imaginable distance while firing hand guns from each hand that have like 20 bullets and hitting 30 bad guys before they land.

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    I never took it as depicting what really happens (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    It is obviously a work of fiction, as gets clearer and clearer as time goes by. It is only realistic in certain points of human nature and relationships.

    If you go back and look at it with that in mind you might enjoy it more!

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    The craft of art (none / 0) (#83)
    by ZtoA on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 11:22:03 PM EST
    or at least the art of Game of Thrones. I thought this was really interesting about how many extremely hard working, creative people it takes to produce even one scene from a show. link

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    It's ironic in the extreme, ZtoA (none / 0) (#98)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:09:28 AM EST
    Computer graphics were supposed to put humans out of work.  Instead, hordes of artists are now working in game development, website graphics, Hollywood, Bollywood, Anime, markets that didn't exist fifty years ago.  

    Once in a while you run across something pretty cool.

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    I loved it more on repeat viewings (none / 0) (#109)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 01:17:35 PM EST
    since I could relax and not worry about what was going to happen next. Could enjoy the dialogue and performances more, and especially the amazing cinematography. Wow!

    Have Better Call Saul recorded - ready to watch tonight!

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    I never really repeat viewed it (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 05:13:02 PM EST
    some small parts.  But I really only watched it as it came.  It was a trip watching it again.  

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    Completely off topic (none / 0) (#136)
    by MO Blue on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 06:52:00 PM EST
    Have you see this?

    This Lifelike Robot Is Either the Coolest or Creepiest Thing You've Seen

    Interesting but I want one that does housework and yard work.

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    I did see this (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:13:37 PM EST
    im going with cool.  The mind boggles when you start thinking about what it might look like in a few years instead of a walking metal box.

    I want one.

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    Year 7 (none / 0) (#80)
    by Politalkix on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:43:39 PM EST
    Thaks - that was good ... (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 09:53:51 PM EST
    ... for a serious laugh - even with the laundry list of qualifiers and hopey-changey language - comparing Obama to FDR is seriously hilarious.

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    The Only Thing Obama... (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:19:21 AM EST
    ...and FDR have in common is the 'D' behind their names.  No philosophies, policies of objectives were/are in the same league.  In FDR's day, Obama would have been on the other side of the political divide, metaphorically and in reality.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#92)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:36:38 AM EST
    If FDR was President today, the only thing he'd have in common with the FDR of the past would be his initials (and the "D" behind his name)

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    But the Article Wasn't Comparring... (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 09:45:46 AM EST
    ...FDR or yore and hypothetical FDR of today.

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    Vox: "Confessions of a Congressman" (none / 0) (#82)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Feb 09, 2015 at 10:41:15 PM EST
    6) Congressional committees are a waste of time

    With parliamentary voting, control is centralized in each party's leadership. Almost every major decision is made by the Speaker or Minority Leader, not by committees. They feel it is vital to party success to have a national "message" that is usually poll-driven, not substantive. So why develop any expertise as a committee member if your decisions will only be overridden by party leadership? Why try to get on a good committee if you have already ceded authority to your unelected, unaccountable party leaders? The result is members routinely don't show up at committee hearings, or if they do show up, it's only to ask a few questions and leave. A lot of members fight for committees that will help them raise money or get a sweet lobbying job later (more on that in a minute). The result is that the engine for informed lawmaking is broken.



    For the legal minds (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:34:51 AM EST
    Does the ACA case before the Supreme Court falter if none of the four plaintiffs have legal standing?

    Here's the plaintiffs' argument (none / 0) (#99)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:16:13 AM EST
    Link

    The Competitive Enterprise Institute, which is coordinating and funding the lawsuit, says that the veteran's status is a non-issue. And even if it were, there are other plaintiffs in King V. Burwell whose standing -- the legal term for the right to bring a lawsuit -- is not contested
    .
    "We examined this issue at the outset of the litigation," CEI general counsel San Kazman said in a statement on Saturday.

    Neither King nor Douglas Hurst, another co-plaintiff who also served in the military, was ever enrolled in a veterans health program, Kazman said. And Obamacare regulations specify that only individuals who actually enroll in a veterans health plan are treated as "eligible" for them under the law, he said.

    "Therefore, since neither Mr. King nor Mr. Hurst had even enrolled, neither was `eligible' for veterans health care," Kazman said. "Further, there are also non-veteran plaintiffs in this case whose standing is uncontested by the Department of Justice, and so the veteran status of two plaintiffs is of no legal consequence in any event."

    King filed an affidavit in the court proceedings in which he said that he was not eligible for any government health program or employer-sponsored health insurance.



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    And (none / 0) (#101)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:30:00 AM EST
    Unless I missed something, even if three plaintiffs get booted for standing (with claims currently being thrown around), I don't see the school teacher getting tossed.  All you need is one plaintiff.

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    The school teacher (none / 0) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:47:25 PM EST
    makes one quarter of what she claimed, and in Virginia is ineligible for ACA subsidies.

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    GOP Cavalcade of Clowns Continues... (none / 0) (#120)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:04:58 PM EST
    Jeb Bush Staffer Praised Martin Luther King Jr. For Not Wearing 'Pants Sagged To His Ankles'


    It cracks me up how the Right (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:21:07 PM EST
    claims to "honor his legacy" now that King's been safely in the ground for 40 years and can't call them out publicly on their disingenuous bs and rewriting of history..

    Like the right wing in the U.S EVER "honored" King while he was alive..

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    And I Bet He Never Snubbed... (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 04:52:48 PM EST
    ...anyone with his cell phone at the dinner table or played his hiphip too loud.

    And when is the same praise coming for the other 99.99999% of black people who don't talk 'jibberish' or wear shorts Czahor's objects to.

    FYI, this is the a warning on his webpage:

    READER ALERT: PLEASE AVOID THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPHS IF -- you're a white liberal who feels guilty for being white; your stomach gets queasy when discussing racial differences; or, finally, for fear of being called a "racist" you awkwardly use the term "African-American" when speaking with (or near) black people. (No, really, I understand: I'm offended when people call me "white" instead of the more-racially-sensitive "Scottish-English-Polish-German-American".)

    As a white liberal I love the idea that this person thinks he understands me, while offending every black person, that isn't a republican, on the planet by suggesting MLK should be praised for not bowing to hiphop fashion 30 years after his death.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 06:30:24 PM EST
    "Don't listen to me -- listen to Bill Cosby."

    When I first started out in political campaigns, I had a highly-regarded mentor who believed that good campaign staff / managers were seldom seen in public and never heard. If anyone is to put his foot in his mouth publicly, he'd tell me, let it be the candidate himself, and not you.

    That was sage advice back then, and it still is. If Ethan Czahor enjoys publicity and notoriety, then he should run for public office himself. Otherwise, he's in the wrong business.

    Aloha.

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    Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show (none / 0) (#137)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:06:52 PM EST
    20 years. Speculation as to why includes (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:27:14 PM EST
    Comedy Central's recent discovery Stewart's fake news was not fake.

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    I am amused (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 07:16:13 PM EST
    by the hand wringing about the idea Obama was really in favor of marriage equality but would not say so.  
    I think it was smart and understandable politically.  

    I think (5.00 / 3) (#154)
    by jbindc on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 07:57:47 AM EST
    David Axelrod has a book to sell, and nothing helps that like a little "controversy".

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    Brian Williams suspended for 6 months, (none / 0) (#142)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:09:47 PM EST
    without pay.

    NYT:

    Brian Williams, the embattled NBC news anchor whose credibility plummeted after he acknowledged exaggerating his role in a helicopter incident in Iraq, was suspended for six months without pay, the network said Tuesday night.

    "This was wrong and completely inappropriate for someone in Brian's position," Deborah Turness, the president of NBC News, said in an internal memo. Lester Holt will continue to substitute for Mr. Williams now, the network said.

    [...]

    "I don't know how he can ever read the news with a straight face, or how the public will respond if he does," said Mark Feldstein, a broadcast journalism professor at the University of Maryland, said. On the other hand, he added, "Maybe they're hoping that with a six-month cooling-off period, he's got a loyal fan base."

    Steve Burke, the chief executive of NBC Universal, informed Mr. Williams of the suspension in a meeting on Tuesday at his Manhattan apartment. "NBC Nightly News" staff learned about it in a meeting after the evening broadcast. Few at NBC News had foreseen the decision, though many suspected some action was to be taken when a meeting was called for Tuesday night.

    "By his actions, Brian has jeopardized the trust millions of Americans place in NBC News," Mr. Burke said in a statement. "His actions are inexcusable and this suspension is severe and appropriate."

    Will anyone even remember him in 6 months?

    I think he should just go quietly (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by nycstray on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:43:45 PM EST
    on with his life. He made decent money, so he should be okay to just enjoy life for awhile. Maybe down the road, do some projects or something, but really, if it were me, I'd be looking for something in life without all the exposure after this. It's just toxic out there . . .

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    Brian needs to get his eyelids fixed too. (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by fishcamp on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 07:03:02 AM EST
    This six months off would be a perfect time for Blepharoplasty.    Even though it can be considered enhancement surgery, insurance companies often pay for it since it does impair your vision.  Droopy eyelids are not good.  It's painless, since there's not much in your eyelids but skin.  They do get a little puffy for a few days.  With that and cataract surgery I feel like a teenager again, except in the mornings.

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    My mom did that surgery (none / 0) (#160)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:01:13 AM EST
    Iirc, it was only one side on her that was problematic. I'll do it in heartbeat if needed.  I don't really care what I look like, but anything messing with my vision is another story :)

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    His lawyers (none / 0) (#144)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:29:53 PM EST
    who will get a huge chunk of the settlement check that NBC will pay to end his contract.

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    Six months gives NBC some time (none / 0) (#146)
    by caseyOR on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:38:56 PM EST
    to find and promote a new Nightly News anchor. I will be very surprised if we ever see Brian Williams on NBC again.

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    a loyal fan base? (none / 0) (#148)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 09:20:56 PM EST
    We'll see how that works out.  Williams has already found out about his loyal "colleagues base."

    All I've ever wanted in a news presenter is the illusion that what they're presenting has been verified as accurate and that they present enough context that the content rings true.  MacNeil-Lehrer and its current Glen Ifill/Judy Woodruff incarnation were the best I've seen here in America.

    I don't care how you feel about Williams; that is one rotten position to be in.  He's been kicked off of a very high cliff and he'll be falling for some time to come.

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    Anyone watching The Americans (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:28:56 PM EST
    i have been catching up with the DVR for a couple of days and I just got around to last weeks episode.
    Holy sh!t.
    There is a scene, a sequence really, that was almost as hard to watch as an execution video.   I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it but wow.  It was hard to watch.  Even with a sort of professional detachment from visual input.
    But I had to watch it a couple of times beng an effects guy.   Some excellent prop making.  This was not the sort of thing that CG would have been useful or practical for mostly.    It was very tactile.  Which is why it was sooo effective.

    Heh (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 08:31:56 PM EST
    i just noticed the title of the episode is "Baggage".

    Nice.

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    My mother told me about that scene (none / 0) (#150)
    by nycstray on Tue Feb 10, 2015 at 11:39:34 PM EST
    in detail . . .

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 09:11:26 AM EST
    we are not talking about choping someone up and putting them in a trunk.   That would be the less imaginative production.  And as an effects person easier to do.  All that stuff have been perfected by shows like Walking dead.  This was something different and unexpected.  And IMO way more effective.

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    Oh, she was clear . . . (none / 0) (#161)
    by nycstray on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:03:07 AM EST
    Chopping up bodies to stuff in a trunk is rather pedestrian where we're concerned, lol!~

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 10:04:38 AM EST
    that was mostly for others.

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    Also (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 12:31:25 PM EST
    wayching it a couple of times I was wondering if they might have used one of those 5000 dollar "RealDoll" sex dolls for part of it.
    It would still probably have been cheaper that a from scratch effects department prop.

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    The Japanese had or have, (I haven't seen (none / 0) (#171)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 01:28:02 PM EST
    an outraged link in years), some disturbing variations of those.

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    Outrage gets harder to come by (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 04:20:34 PM EST
    just about every year.

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    I am going to get theprevious seasons (none / 0) (#174)
    by ruffian on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 04:26:49 PM EST
    DVDs from Netflix and start watching. Heard such great things I finally want to take the plunge.

    Don't hold back spoilers on my account - I will never remember!

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    I like it a lot (none / 0) (#175)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 11, 2015 at 04:48:31 PM EST
    the new season is getting interesting for one reason I think I can tell you without spoiling anything they are being pressured to move their kids, daughter first, into the operation.  


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