Merry New Years Eve Open Thread

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This is an open thread, Happy New Year's Eve to all. What are your plans tonight? [More...]

I'm staying in. I'm going to watch "New Year's Eve" with Bon Jovi, Katherine Heigl, Robert De Niro, Halle Berry, Ashton Kutcher, Michelle Pfeiffer, Zac Efron, Hector Elizondo, Lea Michelle, Sarah Jessica Parker, and more, even though I watched it Christmas Eve. After that, I'll probably watch "Love Actually", and if I'm in the mood to laugh a lot, "Outsourced" (the movie, not the series)

Then it will be either Lasagna,

or green chile.

It's been icy cold here all week, still not sure which one to do.

Again, this is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Anniversary to the Dadlers (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:23:16 AM EST
    Happy Anniversary, D. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:39:21 AM EST
    And a Happy New Year!

    Stupid superstition (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:06:31 PM EST
    Now it's very bad luck to eat chicken or turkey, because they scratch backward for food, so anyone consuming this type of poultry is destined to "scratch in the dirt" for food in the upcoming year



    And peace and love your way... (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Dadler on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:04:39 AM EST
    ...mi amiga bonita. Have fun back east!

    Rescue dog finally being loved (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:25:10 AM EST
    The rescue dog I'm fostering isn't quite that (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:54:58 AM EST
    scared, but he does have some serious abandonment issues. As soon as I leave him alone, he starts barking like crazy.  I'm taking him to an adoption event this weekend. Hopefully, someone with a better living situation will adopt him.  However, I will be very sad to see him go.  

    Have you tried a thundershirt? (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:44:33 PM EST
    Do you have another dog? Do you keep him in a crate when you leave? Sorry so many questions. It is one of my favorite problems to solve with a dog. I did have one though that nothing worked on.

    Went over my notes McBain (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:45:46 PM EST
    And came across something that unexpectedly worked. I discovered it by accident. I bathed a dog I was working with a few years ago, and crated him. I put a light fan on him to speed his drying and it soothed him. He doesn't need a fan on now. He transitioned, but it was the start of him relaxing when he was alone in a crate.

    I've heard of thurdershirts, do they work well? (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:04:14 PM EST
    I don't have another dog.  He sleeps in a crate at night and I crate him when I leave for work or something.... usually 2-3 hours.  

    Lately, I've had a little success using a kong filled with peanut butter.  I leave the TV on for background noise, run the dishwasher so he can't  hear me leave, and run a fan but not blowing on him.  Are you suggesting I point the fan at him?


    I let the fan lightly blow on him (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:15:58 PM EST
    Thundershirts do help some dogs. I did have one dog that had very serious issues that it did not work for. He was chewing his way out of a standard wire crate though and also chewing his way out of houses. Thundershirts do need to be removed when you get home though, or a dog can become desensitized to the affect. They feel a hug, may be similar to how swaddling newborns calms them.

    Thanks, I'll give that a try when I work tomorrow (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by McBain on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:38:39 PM EST
    I took him to a wilderness preserve today and he had his best day being around people and other dogs.  He has a harder time at a closed in dog park where he can be overwhelmed.  

    McBain: My advice will be corny, but ... (none / 0) (#175)
    by christinep on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 04:05:50 PM EST
    Extra time & attention and (this is the hard one for all of us, probably) patience add up to the best results.  Play ... lots.  Talk with your dog; soothe her.  Love on her with your acts & words.  Really.  Humans like it; dogs like love, play, & attention just as much.  Because it is about belonging and real security.  

    I love my dog very much ... especially now that she is evolving into a dog after the challenges of newness & puppyhood.

    Stick with it ... eventually, your dog will be trustworthy all the way around (even, and especially, out of the crate.)


    The dog I was fostering got adopted today (5.00 / 3) (#180)
    by McBain on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 10:50:33 PM EST
    I don't think your advice is corny.  I talk and play with the dogs I take care of quite a bit.  It's at least half of why I sign up for the duty. This particular dog loves human affection.

    I got to talk to the previous foster owner and found out some very interesting things about the dog's background..... some are too sad to go into detail.  I'll just say he had his share of abuse.

    Knowing all this now, I'm surprised his behavior wasn't worse.  I'm surprised he likes people as much as he does.

    Fortunately, the couple who adopted him are very serious about providing a loving and comfortable home. This dog had terrible luck to start his life but hit the jackpot in terms of finding people who care about him.


    It is so amazing how well even (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by ruffian on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 11:29:15 AM EST
    very abused dogs recover with he kind of close attention and love you provide.

    A good friend has an 11 year old rescue Dobie that was abused, and then a Katrina puppy. You can imagine how scared and damaged he was. He is still scared of storms and a little suspicious of men at first, but he is the sweetest thing, loves people and other dogs, and the fact that a dog of that breed is 11 and going strong is testament to her loving care.  

    Thank you for helping the dogs!


    Maybe dogs are better than humans in that way (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by McBain on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 02:43:14 PM EST

    Excuse my gender misplacement (none / 0) (#176)
    by christinep on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 04:08:51 PM EST
    My dogs have been "her" ... 'tis my excuse for not saying "him" for your dog.

    It did bring a tear to my eye (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:54:15 AM EST
    I've never heard such fear. Bless her.

    I couldn't get her out of my mind (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:58:15 PM EST
    That poor baby. I scrolled through the comments until I found this. And here she is playing with other dogs.

    The famous green chili... (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by fishcamp on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:41:18 AM EST
    I want that pot of chili right here, right now.  My second batch of house guests just left, finally, so it's a stay home night for me.  The ball will drop in NYC as the Orange drops in Miami.  They do a shoe or slipper drop in Key West, but that will be on the news later or tomorrow for me.  The Florida keys, and all the restaurants are very crowded this week.  One of the renters down the street started blasting fireworks at 10:45 pm last night, and one of my cats hasn't come home yet.  Guess I'm turning into one of those 'you kids get off my yard' old guys. Or in my case, you rats stay off my boat.  Happy New Year.

    Making white chili (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:54:57 AM EST
    Chicken white beans, green clilis.

    I plan to break the rule against eating chicken on news ears day.

    Happy new year everybody


    Who says (none / 0) (#8)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:59:52 AM EST
    there's a rule against eating chicken on New Years?  You go right ahead and eat what you want, Howdy.   ;-)
    And have a Happy New Year!

    Oops (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:07:52 PM EST
    Misplaced a reply

    I plan to be scratchin in the dirt anyway.  For ONE more year.


    If "scratching in the dirt" (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:26:55 PM EST
    for food includes planting a garden, then we will, once again, be scratching in the dirt for our food this year.    ;-)

    Happy New Year (5.00 / 5) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:29:40 PM EST
    to all at TL.  This is "Sushi" who drops from her ruby slipper at midnight(as referenced by Fishcamp).  Sushi is a regular on CNN with Kathy and Anderson Cooper.

     Hope she makes a clear drop--one year, Sushi was tippling a bit early and tipped out of her slipper.  Was not hurt, fortunately, but it added some drama to the new year. Have a great night everyone.  


    I was a rock band roadie (5.00 / 8) (#5)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:44:40 AM EST
    ... for a long time.  New Year's Eve was always booked and it always paid very well.  I worked on some of Bill Graham's legendary NYE shows with the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, etc.

    It was a tradition at those shows that the Grateful Dead always hit the downbeat exactly at midnight.  The group I worked for played earlier in the bill, so I was finished for the evening before midnight.

    On one of those shows I was done for the evening around 10:00, and ready to party.  But the Dead entourage had filled the backstage area far above the fire law capacity, and even though I had every form of backstage pass, the security guard wouldn't let me in.

    I did not party in front of the stage, because I always had backstage privileges.  So I went home, and flipped on the FM broadcast of the show.  And I heard that some stoner had climbed out on one of the huge rafters, creating a major problem and delaying the show.

    But I was already home.

    Now that no one pays me to leave the house on NYE, I don't.

    No one is paying me (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:07:36 PM EST
    but will be headed out for my first ever NYE concert to see Billy Joel this evening. First time I saw him I believe it was in 1976 for 2 bucks. Tonight's tickets, somewhere in the $180 range. Inflation sucks but the Piano Man is still worth the price of admission.

    Now that sounds like fun! (none / 0) (#53)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:28:33 PM EST
    I'm fine with staying in, but a good concert like that could tempt me out!

    Ruffian (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:39:21 PM EST
    Here is the local paper's review from last night's show. I expected him to sputter out as the night went on but he kept getting better.

    Miami Herald review of Billy Joel


    Repack, I always (5.00 / 6) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:09:55 PM EST
    enjoy your comments about your Roadie days. They make me feel like I was there. Thank you for posting them. (PS - You and Fishcamp should meet sometime and swap memories.)

    Too darn cold to do anything. (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:24:52 PM EST
    Not going to leave the warmth of the condo once I get home from work.  It will be lasagna tonight for me.

    A happy, healthy New Year to all!

    Merry New Year TL Family... (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:33:34 PM EST
    I'll be getting my Peking Duck on at the Chinese Restaurant with a new lady friend, then off to a quiet shindig with friends, booze, good tunes, and a big ol' satchel of herb.  Shouldn't be too many more New Year's before that will be totally kosher with John Law...who woulda thunk it?  Not me;)

    Peace, joy, and good health to all in 2016.  Many thanks for the educational entertainment, my TL brothers and sisters.    

    New lady friend? Does that mean (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:56:40 PM EST
    no more long-distance lady friend?  If so, I'm sorry it didn't work out - you always seemed so over-the-moon happy when you wrote about her.

    The usual quiet night in for us.  I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, with the usual accompaniments.

    Also preparing for a family dinner on Saturday; with our newest grandson arriving Christmas afternoon, we couldn't have everyone at the table - so we're gathering, finally - with one extra!

    Menu will be somewhat the same: tenderloin, garlic/horseradish mashed potatoes, maybe asparagus instead of green beans, and carrots.  Thinking of making lemon cheesecake bars instead of another cheesecake.

    Hope you have a splendid night, kdog!  "Oooh and Ahhh" for me at the fireworks...and if you have to get into mischief, hope you do so carefully!


    Um (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:58:04 PM EST
    That dinner sounds amazing!

    Sounds like a great dinner (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:30:58 PM EST
    planned for Saturday.  With, of course, the added bonus of the new grandson.  He is going to be growing up in a very close, very special family.  Mazel tov!
    We are having raw oysters tonight, with various sauces (cocktail sauce, hot sauce, mignonette, plus lots of lemons) and strip steaks.  Chocolate pie for dessert.
    And lots of champagne.  Nobody is driving anywhere.
    Tomorrow, a simple dinner of pasta with a couple of different sauces, and Italian sausages.  Salad, garlic bread, and a pan of brownies for desert, with vanilla ice cream and whipped cream, and chocolate sauce if anyone wants even more chocolate.  (If you are sensing a "chocolate" theme here, you would be correct; we love chocolate.)
    A happy and healthy New Year to all!

    I was curious about the new (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:44:06 PM EST
    lady friend too. Glad you did the asking :-)

    Congratulations to you all on the newest addition to the family! I hope your daughter and new grandson doing well.


    Happy New Year kdog (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:35:06 PM EST
    I am also curious about the new most lucky lady...hope things are going well!

    Best wishes to your family also!


    Apologies to you, MrK... (none / 0) (#19)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:45:00 PM EST
    It looks like I sort of plagiarized your last sentence but I promise I wrote it before I read your comment.

    I will be home catching up on TL (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:36:35 PM EST
    threads from the past few weeks. Husband is in Miami since he is taking some clients to the Orange Bowl.
    I could have joined him but one of my dogs hurt himself jumping of the bed. Nothing serious but he is a little sore and I did not have the heart to leave him. So, it will be me and the two pups and TL this evening!

    And... (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by vml68 on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:40:21 PM EST
    Happy New Year to all of you.
    I have not been able to spend as much time at TL this year as I have in the past but thank-you all for the education and the entertainment!

    you are welcome and I (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:29:53 PM EST
    am glad to see you commenting again.

    It always amazes me to realize how long some of you have been reading TalkLeft. Since I have no way of knowing who our readers are when they don't comment, it's always a feel-good moment to read a comment from an "old timer" saying he or she is still around, even occasionally.


    "Entries with new comments" (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:42:08 PM EST
    has reappeared!

    Good! It comes and (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:32:01 PM EST
    goes and I have no idea why. Last night I was checking old emails between me and Colin, our webmaster, and I found a thread about them disappearing in 2013. But the emails never explained why it happened, somehow it got fixed.

    Rubio failed to hide his dirty laundry (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:46:13 PM EST
    When Marco Rubio was majority whip of the Florida House of Representatives, he used his official position to urge state regulators to grant a real estate license to Orlando Cicilia, his brother-in-law, a convicted cocaine trafficker who had been released from prison 20 months earlier.

    Rubio did not disclose in the letter that Cicilia was married to his sister, Barbara, or that the former cocaine dealer was living at the time in the same West Miami home as Rubio's parents. He wrote that he had known Cicilia "for over 25 years," without elaborating.

    And this was before he hooked up with the ethically challenged David Rivera.

    The GOP oppo research (none / 0) (#27)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:20:41 PM EST
    ...makes the Democratic circular firing squad look like they're using blanks.

    I would bet the source is JEB!


    All this talk of lasagna (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:38:16 PM EST
    is making me hungry. So, that's gonna be tonight's dinner. Very few of my friends made any effort to put together NYE plans...I think our Christmas bash has begun to tire us out more, now that we're older. It's just too frosty cold outside right now and I want the cocoon of my (semi!) warm house.

    Yesterday, after the site went down, I paid some bills, and started back reading a book that was included in my non-fiction subscription for the year, "The Boys of My Youth" by Jo Ann Beard. It's a memoir that flits back and forth in time, and is told with such humor that it's hard to put down. She really nails it. Now I want to read her novel, "In Zanesville."

    Happy New Year to all! "Be safe out there."

    Hmm. Was just invited to a NYE party (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:31:17 PM EST
    by some friends who thought maybe someone should host something after all. Leave the cozy confines of the warm house of lasagna? Get dressed up and venture out into the cold for some champagne later?


    This is the difference between being in your twenties, and being in your fifties.


    So, this fifties gal ended up (5.00 / 4) (#110)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:04:40 PM EST
    going to two parties. Both were worth the venture. All the food and drink was delicious, and the friends were fun and funny.

    I don't feel so good today, but the sun is shining and it's pretty and...brrrr...cold!


    Moaning and groaning about (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:27:21 PM EST
    the difference between being in your twenties, and being in your fifties and here you actually are a party animal extraordinaire. You go girl. ;o)

    I think the tale is told the next day... (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:34:32 PM EST
    it's not that we can't party like we're still 25, it's that we don't bounce out of bed the next day ready for more, lol.

    We may not even actually get out of bed the next day.


    Well there is that (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:47:49 PM EST
    Of course, sitting back and relaxing the next day gives you more time to think about how much fun you had the night before. ;o)



    Indeed! (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:57:26 PM EST
    I believe that if people are gracious enough to host a party and invite me, it's polite to attend. And it almost always turns out to be fun. If it's a major holiday or a milestone event of some sort, that's even more reason. Whenever someone I know is feeling down about a milestone birthday coming up, and grumbling about not feeling like celebrating getting old, I always say, "You're going to turn forty/fifty/sixty anyway, so you may as well celebrate it and have a nice memory of it later."

    For the record, I definitely got a slow start this morning...


    Personally, (none / 0) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:44:45 PM EST
    I think birthdays warrant at least a week of celebration.

    I don't know, Mo (none / 0) (#158)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:27:01 PM EST
    You've been sounding more, and, more like my ex-wife (#2) lately. She celebrated her birthdays like they were Hanukah, or something, seven days. And, like a real dope, I got suckered into becoming an enabler for it.

    Did she get seven days of gifts? (none / 0) (#161)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:59:40 PM EST
    For me, one celebration is with my family. Then, I have a wide assortment of friends. I wouldn't want any of them to feel left out of an opportunity to have fun so it takes several days of lunches, drinks and dinners to fit everyone in. This year the parties were stretched out over a two week period to accommodate everyone's schedule.

    Happy New Year to all at TL (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:12:49 PM EST
    My city throws a very nice day time party for its seniors each New Years Eve. There is a live band, beer and wine, a catered dinner (our local caterer does a good job) and a lot of really nice attendance prizes.

    Had my big dinner there, danced quite a lot and had a glass wine. Now I'm resting up before getting ready for our dance club party this evening where the food is always abundant and you dance until you drop or until midnight whichever comes first.

    Happy, happy New Year.

    That lasagna does look delicious! (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:51:57 PM EST
    I had a late lunch, and no special dinner plans. I am well stocked with Champagne and chocolate, and my Christmas gift of Mad Men - The Complete Series on Blu Ray, which came with a pair of Don Draper highball glasses which will be put to use soon.

    That and my phone to call a few folks, and I am all set.

    In case I'm not the only one who likes a little Leonard Cohen on New Year's Eve:  Closing Time

    Ah we're drinking and we're dancing
    and the band is really happening
    and the Johnny Walker wisdom running high
    And my very sweet companion
    she's the Angel of Compassion
    she's rubbing half the world against her thigh
    And every drinker every dancer
    lifts a happy face to thank her
    the fiddler fiddles something so sublime
    all the women tear their blouses off
    and the men they dance on the polka-dots
    and it's partner found, it's partner lost
    and it's hell to pay when the fiddler stops:

    I forgot to mention my real end of year treat (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:26:51 PM EST
    was a lovely dinner at the best Turkish restaurant in Orlando with oculus and her family who were in FL visiting. Had a wonderful time and hope they all made it home to various locations safely today!

    Home safely and on time. But (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:36:14 PM EST
    It is so cold here after FL!  Great to see you. The fam enjoyed the Turkish cuisine and meeting you. Thank you.

    Next stop--check up on kdog!


    that's so cool that you met (none / 0) (#122)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:37:40 PM EST
    in person through reading Talkleft. Considering you both use pseudonyms when commenting, it speaks to a lot of trust to meet in real life. (I think I knew Oculus and KDog had met, but I'm not aware of many others doing so.) For others who meet, open threads are a great place to tell us about it.

    Other meet-ups (in NY) included (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:26:04 PM EST
    Squeaky (who is a gourmet cook), Ruffian, and Military Tracy. Great fun.

    It all started w/kdog agreeing to meet me outside the Miller Theatre at Columbia University after I attended a concert played on tradional Japanese instruments.  I was worried about getting back to Hell's Kitchen. Kdog was my knight in shining armour!  

    My friends texted me, though I never received the texts. They could not believe I was drinking Guiness w/a total stranger!


    "Closing Time" (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 08:04:04 PM EST
    has great lyrics and I really like it, but as a  New Year's Eve song, I don't know. Here are all the lyrics. (It is #2 on my itunes sleep playlist that I play every night so obviously I really like it -- but it is pretty sad, for a festive occasion):

    I loved you when our love was blessed
    and I love you now there's nothing left
    but sorrow and a sense of overtime

    ...Yeah I missed you since the place got wrecked
    By the winds of change and the weeds of sex
    looks like freedom but it feels like death
    it's something in between, I guess

    I guess sometimes the ringing in of a new year means shedding the old and starting over. For that, I like Goodbye to You by Patty Smyth and Scandal -- it's so upbeat and she's very empowering when she sings it.


    Yes, Good-bye to You is a great one (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    Reminds me of my misspent youth.

    I always have a little melancholy with my celebratory...just the way it seems to go.

    We seem to be having a battle of the bands in my neighborhood ..I can hear all the music around the lake, very loud, mostly Latin. Maybe I should blast my Leonard Cohen out the window.


    See you something (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:51:42 PM EST
    (Relatively) new and raise you something (relatively) old.

    from 1967

    Viva Leonard


    How about "Democracy"? (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 08:35:52 PM EST
    It's another of my favorite Cohen songs (video here), but I really like this version by Don Henley that he sang at the Clinton Gore inaugural ball in 1993 (I didn't upload this to You Tube but I recorded it at the time on VCR and converted it and now have it on my iTunes. Every time I've tried to upload it to You Tube the Henley censors knock it off. So watch it soon as it may not be up long.)

    Unrelated: I used to have a pair of sunglasses just like Henley's in the video. Mine were by Matsuda -- they may have been this pair. I lost them at a Grateful Dead concert in the mid-90's. I still miss them all the time, but my days of forking over that kind of money for sunglasses are way behind me. I wonder if he still has his.


    Glad I got to see the video (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:52:14 PM EST
    Love unexpected gems like that.

    Sorry about your shades....I get obsessed about lost objects!


    Thanks for posting that! (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:35:25 AM EST
    That performance was the trigger to my seeking out the Leonard Cohen album "The Future". Soul Asylum also played at that inaugural ball and I got "Grave Dancer's Union" at the same time.

    That was the MTV inaugural ball. Here is an REM/U2 collaboration at that ball which I had forgotten about. They named themselves Automatic Baby, a mashup of REM's "Automatic for the People" album and U2's "Achtung Baby". And, okay, I have those albums as well. In fact I have tracks from them on my phone right now. Listen to it in my car.

    That was one awesome show.

    And that was when Dennis Miller was still sane.


    Yes, whatever happened to Miller (none / 0) (#126)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:45:42 PM EST
    to make him turn into a hard right character?

    Also great at that ball: Natalie Merchant and 10,000 Maniacs (These Are the Days) and Natalie and Michael Stipe of REM (to Sir With Live).

    Here's the portion where Bill and Hillary are introduced.


    Thanks! (none / 0) (#183)
    by sj on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 03:44:37 PM EST
    I used to have this on VHS somewhere. I wonder if I still do.

    Dennis Miller went nuts after 9/11 and bought into the whole Bush swagger thing.


    Miller (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 05:07:29 PM EST
    Was a conservative before 9/11.   Might have brought him all the way out but he had been making noises for years before that.   I know this because I keep track of what happened when by where I was working and with who.   I had a friend in the 90s that I regularly had arguments with over Millers wisdom on this or that.   He was a big fan.  I really never was.

    Was he? (none / 0) (#185)
    by sj on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 05:50:27 PM EST
    I only really remember him from his MTV show. And I really only remember once when David Grohl was his guest.

    Ha (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 06:12:17 PM EST
    I googled "when did Dennis Miller become a conservative"-

    This was in the '90s, when the "PC" movement had a major influence in society. Miller railing against it as he does here is hardly something one would expect from a liberal. Admittedly, comedians of all political persuasions tend be in favor of being able to joke about whatever they like, but Miller's argument that jokes at the expense of homosexuals are ultimately not harmful is hardly something you'd expect a virulent left-winger to claim. Clearly, reports of Miller's liberalism were greatly exaggerated.

    But if Dennis Miler was never a liberal, how did we get the idea that he was one in the first place? That can likely be explained as a simple matter of timing. America first became acquainted with Miller's sardonic humor as the anchor of SNL`s Weekend Update segment, a position he held from 1985 to 1991. Think about those years for a second; what do they have in common? A Republican was in the White House for all of them. Miller anchored Update during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Naturally, this meant he made fun of them. A big part of comedy -- especially political comedy -- is to always go after those in power.

    For the first six years that Miller was in the public eye, the country was run by Republicans, so he did his duty as a comic and poked fun at them. This didn't necessarily mean he vehemently disagreed with their policies -- long time SNL writer James Downey is a well-known Republican and that never stopped him from poking fun at the right -- it simply meant that he was going to make fun of whoever was in charge. If we had gotten to know Miller during a time when the democrats were in charge, the notion that Miller was a liberal might have never existed in the first place.


    They do say conventional wisdom puts it at 9/11 but I remember the 90s.  Probably only because of my friend.


    For the record (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 07:05:23 PM EST
    I agree with every word of the "PC rant".  About gays and everything else.  The PC curse is like the frog in boiling water thing.  It's crept up on us in such insidious ways we have forgotten what humor was like in, for example, the 70s.

    Last night I spent hours watching Fernwoid 2Night on YouTube.   You want to know what PC has done?   Try it.
    It was hilarious and amazing.  80% of the stuff they did could NEVER be done now.   It was crass.   It was pointed.  It was fearless.   It was brutal.   And you know what?  It was FUNNY.  And that was a little sad.

    I really recommend a few episodes of Fernwood 2Night.  Yeah, I thought I remembered it too.


    I don't know, Captain (none / 0) (#188)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 07:15:51 PM EST
    Have you ever heard any of the Comedy Central roasts? They're as un-pc as anything you can imagine..

    Setn McFarland's stuff isn't exactly pc..

    Some of this stuff is so crass it makes me feel like 90 year Menonite.


    Couple of things (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 07:27:23 PM EST
    That's cable.   This was network tv when there was nothing else.   And it is the 21st century and "roasts" are the one remaining place where humor is allowed.

    try this

    Scrub on down to 15:30 or so fir Rev Hee.


    There are a couple more (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 07:36:17 PM EST
    Great ones over to the right.  Pot sniffing and Pet Mating particularly.   I don't remember them being particularly un-PC.  Just funny.

    and here's one on criminal justice and gun controll


    Actually Pot Sniffing (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 03, 2016 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    Was pretty edgy.

    that is such (none / 0) (#85)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:06:24 AM EST
    a great album. Crazy that it was released in 1992. Where has the time gone?

    Thanks TalkLeft community (5.00 / 9) (#59)
    by zeam on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:59:21 PM EST
    I'm a long time lurker.  I forget when I first started hanging out here.  I think it was in the desperate times after 9-11, when I was living in a red/purple state and everyone around me was talking about "towelheads" and I couldn't find any rational,  relatively non-biased info.
    I know I was here during the primaries of the 2008 election, when I had to delete so many other websites from my list because they all went wacko.

    I've been here long enough to miss some voices (what ever happened to jeffinalabama?) and to appreciate others (militarytracy and donaldinhawawaii and dadler and CaptHowdy and Anne and fishcamp and kdog and .....)

    In any case, I now live in Mexico and find it hugely beneficial to be removed from the US news machine.
    But at the same time, I greatly appreciate good news and opinion sources.
    So a great big thank you to Jeralyn and the talkleft community!

    (And, I'm having pozole tonight.  Not traditional, but what I want!  With a little tequila, of course.)

    Awesome! (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 06:02:29 PM EST
    Whenever I write something I never think about lurkers but I guess there are many.

    Thanks for finally posting!


    Agree, your comment is awesome (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 08:08:22 PM EST
    Thanks so much for posting that -- you certainly know the regulars around here and I really appreciate you coming out of lurkerdom to post. I'd love to be in Mexico right now with some "pozole," it's so cold here.

    Enjoy, Happy New Year and I hope we see more comments from you in the new year.


    Sad news...I am fairly certain that (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:15:23 PM EST
    Jeffinalabama died of prostrate cancer. We were emailing and on the phone and he was planning a trip up to Tunica for some poker when he just fell out of site.

    I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am.


    While not unexpected (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:42:26 AM EST
    I am very sorry to hear this. He has a nearly permanent memorial here at TL via the recommended diaries list.

    Peace to him and his family.


    Way too sad. (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:58:46 PM EST
    And I've been thinking about him lately, wondering, wondering, and not wanting to ask.

    He had a very original way with words. Hope he got to Colombia, after all.


    Hope you are right (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:38:48 PM EST
    We were always gonna get together in Tunica for some poker at the 'Shoe but he never made it.

    If you know his real name (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:08:37 PM EST
    have you googled him to see if there is an obituary?

    I have googled Jeff's (none / 0) (#149)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:15:00 PM EST
    name. No obituary that I could find. Of course, not everybody has a published obit.

    Maybe he did make it to Colombia. That would be nice.


    He just stopped sending emails (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:20:07 PM EST
    at the same time he stopped commenting at TL.

    I do so hope he is alive and well in Colombia.

    And Slado, who was in and out of the hospital frequently, was suddenly silent here.

    The lack of some kind of goodbye from two engaged commenters like Jeff and Slado makes me wonder.


    Slado (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:42:19 PM EST
    Was pretty upfront here about his future.  I remember once when I first started commenting here someone's sister (I think) posted a comment at his request I believe to say he had passed and letting everyone know. I remember thinking it seemed odd at the time.  

    Not so much any more.  


    We chatted on the phone several times (none / 0) (#151)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:35:56 PM EST
    but the only name I knew was "Jeff."

    I know he was having problems with health care insurance from his previous employer which I believe was the University of Alabama at Birmingham.


    It's sad, if true. (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 11:11:10 PM EST
    But he struggled with his illness for so long, and if this is so then his soul is now at peace. He was a good man, and given the pain he must have been in we mustn't begrudge his taking leave of us, and we can keep his family in our thoughts.

    If anything has changed for the better over the last few decades in our struggle to grapple with the concept of death and mortality, it's that we now seek more to remember and celebrate the life of the departed, rather than dwell so relentlessly on our own loss.

    So, let's please remember Jeff with a smile. Aloha.


    If we are remembering absent friends (5.00 / 5) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:30:11 AM EST
    We should tip a hat to my old friend Slado.  Where ever he is I hope they have cable.

    Both Jeff and Slado brought (5.00 / 5) (#105)
    by caseyOR on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:13:02 PM EST
    interesting perspectives and comments to TL. And they were (are?) both great guys. I miss them.

    Wherever they are I wish them well.


    Happy New Year (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:59:55 PM EST

    We are having seafood lasagna for dinner tonight. this is a first as I have never had it before nor have I made it.

    Howdy, didn't know about the superstition with regards to chicken but we are doing the superstitious lunch tomorrow with black eyed peas, collards and corn bread.

    I'll be home with the dog tonight (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 07:47:38 PM EST
    I could crate him and go out but he already spent some time there during the day.  I think we're just going to go for a night walk and watch a movie.  Any movie recommendations on Netflix?

    Peaky Blinders! (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:53:42 PM EST
    If it's not to late (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:48:30 AM EST
    William Cameron Menzies 1936 take on H. G. Wells THINGS TO COME.  I recorded it last night and have been watching it on the StairMaster.

    I saw it years ago and had forgotten it's a holiday move.  Beginning on Christmas Day.  

    Incredible cast and food for thought.



    The best part (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:33:07 AM EST
    Is in 2036 men's fashions include shoulder pads hot pants and capes.  That's what I call progress.

    A New Year's day must (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:09:45 PM EST
    Hoppin' John (rice and black eye'd peas seasoned with chili powder and bacon grease), boiled cabbage, mustard greens and pork roast with corn bread, sliced raw red onion  and The Wine of the South (Sweet Ice Tea)...

    for good health and money all year.

    And NO sugar in the corn bread.

    Sounds good, Jim (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 11:40:40 AM EST
    We've still got kale and mustard greens in the garden, standing up under a light snow.  Tough stuff, brassica.

    Why do you have a photograph of a P5M on your blog?  

    That's the plane my father flew.  A year or so ago his surviving squadron mates held a reunion at Pensacola.  After the reunion a friend of his sent me a copy of the reunion recap, with the accident report describing the investigation of my father's crash as its preface.  An analog torquemeter's final reading figured in the conclusion.  Everything hinged on a needle's impact imprint on a phosphorescent dusted dial.  I'd almost forgotten how analog and physical instrumentaion used to be.  The meter reading led to a conclusion of probable pilot error, flying too low in the face of a cold front and uncertain wind vectors.  I had wondered about that my entire adult life, had never had the courage to ask.  It was not an answer I wanted to hear.  But there it was, typed, black and white, cold.

    It's really none of my business, but I wonder about that P5M.  


    I was in Naval Aviation for 10 years (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:55:03 PM EST
    And yes, that's a P5M-2 Marlin on "the step" taking off from the San Diego sea dome.

    It was replaced by the P2V-7 in the midlate 60's and then was replaced by the P3-A. Now the P8, a military version of the 737 is coming on line.

    My sympathies re your father. If it is any help they were known to be tricky to handle at low speeds/altitude and more than one went in due to a very small error.


    Absolutely correct, Jim (none / 0) (#103)
    by Zorba on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:52:08 AM EST
    Definitely no sugar in the corn bread!
    Happy New Year!

    Only heathens put sugar in corn bread (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:57:05 PM EST
    And a Happy New Year to you and yours!

    My wife's people were from Kentucky (none / 0) (#159)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:43:31 PM EST
    We made Hoppin' John for New Years (as usual) with these ingredients: black-eyed peas, rice, collard greens, onion, garlic (non-trad addition), cayenne and black pepper, plus sausage (she used a cut-up kielbasa this year).

    Went to the neighbors (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:47:36 PM EST
    As far as I was going to drive on NYE. I live in the country and so walking over was not an option either. No sidewalks. Heh. So dinner was the usual Chinese take out for us. Just 8 of us. Now home and getting the Bloody Mary ready for 2016 in 15 minutes. When my Mother was alive she use to open the front door and sweep our the old year. I suspect that stops the new year from entering also. So I am not getting off my duff to open the door period. Happy New Years Everyone and I hope we have a healthy and successful New Years.

    I have to wait another hour (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:54:00 PM EST
    And I really just sort of want to go to sleep :) I'm a party pooper this year.

    Happy New Year everyone... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by desertswine on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 10:54:33 PM EST
    It's very cold and windy outside.  But we're warm and cozy in here.  Stay safe.

    Just mistakenly put Tzatziki (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:27:20 AM EST
    on my New Years Morning Cheerios, and it was very good.  I'd bet not even zorba has tried that one. {-:  

    Ha. Rough night? (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:33:31 PM EST
    I mistakenly bought tortilla chips and guac at El Indio. But the chips turned out to be cinnamon!

    Freddie Gray's prior "bad back" (2.00 / 1) (#65)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 07:55:46 PM EST

    Ceaser Goodson's lawyers are looking to make something of this.  In the Porter trial, the prosecution's medical expert said she found no evidence of a prior back injury.  If that's true it could show a pattern of faking injuries.  

    I'm not sure how the prosecution is going to prove murder.  We haven't heard any evidence of a rough ride yet.  

    lol, thanks for the laugh to kick off 2016 (5.00 / 4) (#102)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:25:13 AM EST
    "...... it could show a pattern of faking injuries."

    Or, it could show how Mr. "I want to wait for all the evidence to come in before coming to a conclusion" injects racist speculation to help in that process.

    Nice deflection though, the puppy, and all.


    Gotta admit, NY, that it was pretty tricky (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:26:57 PM EST
    of Freddie Gray to follow that up by faking a severed spinal cord, which he topped with a faked death, a faked autopsy, a faked burial, faked grieving relatives...

    Some people will do anything to embarrass those fake Saints in the Baltimore PD.


    Yeah.. (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:42:10 PM EST
    Maybe Freddie's been faking his death all this time -- in order to rake it in in the end and make the cops look bad.

    I wouldn't put anything past those people.


    Oops, beat me to it, Mr Natural.. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:46:57 PM EST
    you foiled old Flakey Foont again.

    Evidence? (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:14:06 PM EST
    We haven't heard any evidence of a rough ride yet.

    Other than the dead guy with the severed spinal cord there does not even seem to be evidence of any injuries.


    My brother in law just called (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:20:54 PM EST
    Ms Ruby, the 97 yo passed quietly this morning.  In her home .

    RIP.    She had a good run.

    I'm glad Ms Ruby (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:03:48 PM EST
    was able to stay at her home until the end. It is a good thing to be able to live out the end of your life on your own terms. Not everyone is able to do so.

    RIP Ms Ruby


    Sounds like she made the most of her time (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:37:25 PM EST
    Glad she had a peaceful journey at the end. We should all do as well.

    Oddly (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:26:14 PM EST
    Seeing ambulance and police down the street I called,  I almost always have a relative in the ambulance, and found out my 52 yo alcoholic veteran neighbor also passed this morning.

    Strange man.  Suicide by alcohol.

    RIP Lee.

    Weird day so far.


    So sorry (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:57:04 PM EST
    Honestly (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    Was not that close to either but thank you.  

    Reality: (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:44:16 AM EST
    It's all around you.

    Nothing like frequent (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 12:57:26 PM EST
    in-your-face reminders of mortality to sober one up..and make you smell the coffee and the roses..

    WC Fields used to talk about "the man in the bright night gown"..


    I got a notice (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:20:46 PM EST
    last week from a federal court in another jurisdiction that supervised release (the federal version of parole)  had been terminated early for a client I represented there around 8 years ago. That's a good thing, but I wasn't the one who filed the motion, so I clicked through the link to see the order and why the court ended it early.

    Turns out, it was because he died. He was only 52. I was very sad. He was always such a pleasant guy, always had a smile on his face, making the best of things, even while locked up without bail, 2,000 miles from home.

    It was as you say, a stark (or "in your face" reminder of our mortality.


    I'm sorry to hear about your friend, Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:12:35 PM EST
    it sounds like you were a person who was a comfort to him while he was in that lonely, inhospitable place..

    Hopefully his passing was peaceful and painless.


    Pretty amazing video (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:09:03 PM EST
    Of fire at a Dubai hotel.  On tv now.  No word on the cause.   They say New Year's Eve celebtprations will proceed

    If they proceed (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:28:39 PM EST
    The pictures of the fireworks display may include the burning hotel which is reportedly 90% contained.

    Fireworks due in minutes.


    Watching live (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 01:46:50 PM EST
    Just seemed to be a very large explosion in the ground floor area.

    Seems unlikely this is accidental


    Wow (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:07:32 PM EST
    Happy surreal new year I hope you are watching this.  It's definitely history happening.

    very surreal (none / 0) (#35)
    by FlJoe on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:09:50 PM EST
    split screen with fireworks and towering inferno, that hotel looks totally engulfed.

    Not even split screen (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 02:16:48 PM EST
    Yards away.

    "What Are You Doing New Year's Eve?" (none / 0) (#41)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:03:32 PM EST
    There are so many great versions of this song. I think this is my new favorite, with Zooey Deschanel and Joseph Gordon Leavitt. Really cute, and they sing good harmony together (also, it appears that they are both southpaws!)

    WaPo (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:14:35 PM EST
    ... what took Fred Hiatt so long? Sad, but also inevitable. And Ruth Marcus still lives.

    Sorry, Donald, (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:09:29 PM EST
    but I don't exactly consider Ruth Marcus to be the quintessential liberal.  At least, not from my persepctive, and she is not what I consider a true liberal.  YMMV.

    I'm sorry! I meant that as snark. (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:24:39 PM EST
    I agree with you. Ruth Marcus is decidedly less liberal than she is Miss Stepler, the quintessential nagging old maid schoolmarm I was stuck with for my fifth grade year. Re-reading my comment, I certainly didn't make that clear. My bad.

    LOL! (none / 0) (#52)
    by Zorba on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:36:19 PM EST
    Happy New Year, Donald.

    And also, Myerson's views on organized labor (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by shoephone on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 05:40:46 PM EST
    certainly couldn't have been acceptable to the WAPO owner, Jeff Bezos. As you asked above, Donald, what took them so long? It's safe to assume it was done at the very end of the year, during holiday time, when most people--even people in the news media--aren't paying attention to such things. It's the year-end equivalent of a "Friday news dump".

    Something to think about (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:57:11 AM EST
    when you hit that Amazon Buy button.

    Paul Krugman's latest explaining complaint: Privilege, Pathology, and Power.

    That's something to think about before you believe anything any politician has to say.  Power is the bait and money is the hook.


    I don't buy anything from Amazon (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:08:42 PM EST
    I don't believe in the way the company operates and how Mr. Bezos has so aggressively acted to bankrupt book publishers and bookstore owners.

    Living where I do, I have occasion to socialize with and even work with people who do work for Bezos (not at Amazon, but at his house) and they are all proud as peacocks for toiling in the rarefied atmosphere of his wealth and power. They've never actually met him, of course. He's not there. His "people" deal with the plebes who, from time to time, do work on the property. (And, no surprise, all these toiling admirers are conservatives.)

    I've been meaning to read the Krugman piece. Thank you for reminding me of it.


    Yes, by all means, read the Krugman piece. (none / 0) (#121)
    by NYShooter on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:35:55 PM EST
    It's not like you'll learn anything new, but, when an expert like Dr. K, spells it out so pitch-perfect beautifully, it resonates out exponentially.

    I buy tons from Amazon (none / 0) (#119)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:31:56 PM EST
    it's trustworthy, 2 day shipping is free with prime, they have a great return policy and low prices.  I also buy pizza from companies whose politics I disagree with if it's more convenient.

    A company's economic policies isn't enough for me to avoid them. It takes something like a country killing non-violent drug offenders or imposing a 20 year sentence on a possibly innocent foreign tourist convicted of possessing 4 kilos of pot in her boogie board (Indonesia) for me to boycott.

    I don't know about Amazon and its economic practices, but please make sure to separate your opinion from fact so your comment is not potentially libelous. Potentially libelous comments are deleted when I see them.


    Their economic policies are well-known (none / 0) (#123)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:38:27 PM EST
    So is their reputation with how they treat employees. An extraordinary amount of journalistic ink and bandwidth has been expended reporting on this company. Because I thoroughly disagree with their policies, I choose not to purchase from them. Otherwise, I'd be a hypocrite.

    Feel free to delete if you wish to.


    Another difference between us: (none / 0) (#125)
    by shoephone on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:40:57 PM EST
    I also buy pizza from companies whose politics I disagree with if it's more convenient.

    And I don't. I tend to support companies that support my values.


    Peach Bowl: Houston 38, Florida State 24. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 03:44:21 PM EST
    The AAC champion Cougars, who finished the year at 13-1, controlled the entire game and dominated the Seminoles, leaving one to wonder why the pundits are insisting upon calling this an upset when Houston was quite obviously the better team.

    Considering the Cougars' victories this season over Louisville (24-21), Vanderbilt (34-0), Cincinnati (33-30), Memphis (35-34), Navy (52-31) and Temple (24-13), it's pretty apparent that those same pundits weren't paying much if any attention to them for the entire season. Houston is easily a Top Ten team that was never really given its just due by those supposedly in the know. And were it not for stubbing their toes at Connecticut in a 20-17 loss, they'd have likely been undefeated but still left out of the CFP.

    If the NCAA is going to do a college football playoff, then they need to do a REAL playoff with all ten FBS conference champions, and not this selective four-team ESPN Invitational they're staging. Looking at their overall performance this season and the statement they made in Atlanta today, one can legitimately wonder why the Houston Cougars weren't included.


    A New Year (none / 0) (#101)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:22:51 AM EST
    and still whining about college football? I'm guessing you won't be thrilled that an SEC team has already been established as the 7 point favorite in the Championship game.

    BTW, just to remind you, it's called an upset because FSU was the betting favorite. It has nothing whatsoever to do with who appeared to you to be the better team.


    I don't care if the Seminoles ... (none / 0) (#155)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:06:43 PM EST
    ... were the betting favorite. That line was obviously set by people who hadn't really bothered to watch Houston play all season. If they had, they've wouldn't have listed Florida State as the prohibitive favorite. It's an upset only in the sense that they're upset that they got it so wrong.

    Sometime in the future (none / 0) (#170)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 11:36:57 AM EST
    I'll explain to you again how betting lines work. But for now just remember they are not based on who will win the game nor do they care who wins the game.

    P.S.: Sorry about the Gators today. (none / 0) (#156)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 08:11:31 PM EST
    That was an ugly loss to Michigan. I had expected it to be closer. But they're a young team, and they'll be better next season. So will the Wolverines.

    Happy New Year's Eve! (none / 0) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 04:18:28 PM EST
    Mellow day thus far. I've had enough football for today, and The Spouse and I decided that we're in the mood for some serious '50s-era lesbian drama, so we're going to see "Carol" this afternoon. I've heard nothing but good things about it..

    George Lucas spoke to Charlie Rose this week about the latest "Star Wars" film -- and the Walt Disney Co. probably wishes that he had kept his mouth shut. Lucas has since apologized for saying that he sold the franchise to "white slavers."


    Waiting for Hwdy's response - (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 09:58:31 AM EST
    the popcorn is in the microwave.

    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:08:02 AM EST
    If he had asked me I could have told him they were white slavers.   I did not click the link because I actually don't care what Lucas thinks but IF he is talking about the treatment of employees, as I said-that's guess, it's odd because Lucas Arts in the Bay Area is the most famous in my old industry fir not allowing their employees to have a life.   Disney employees at least have a union.  Something they have repeatedly quashed up north.

    On the movie my favorite recent meme is from the too cool for school folks who, horrified by all the broken records fir money and attendance, have taken to social media to explain to all of us what a terrible terrible movie it really is and how naive and misguided we all are to have ever thought otherwise since everyone knows anything THIS popular could never ever be good.   Elitism demands it.  Some of the replies on FB are really really funny.


    BAHAHAha (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:15:59 AM EST
    I refuse to listen to hm whine.  This is from Variety-

    They looked at the stories, and they said, `We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "They decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were going to do their own thing. ... They weren't that keen to have me involved anyway -- but if I get in there, I'm just going to cause trouble, because they're not going to do what I want them to do. And I don't have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up," he said. "And so I said, `OK, I will go my way, and I'll let them go their way.'"

    Um, George, YOU destroyed the franchise.  YOU made three ridiculous self indulgent silly movies that to this day are a running joke.
    Yes, George, I can totally see how they would not want your fat fingers anywhere near the reboot.

    And BTW the results actually do speak for themselves..


    "Something for the fans" (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:19:03 AM EST
    The FANS!!

    Have you ever heard anything so unprofessional?


    I liked it. (and I'm a critical critic) (none / 0) (#106)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:13:04 PM EST
    Out of respect for you and your former slavemates, I sat through all the credits.  They scrolled kinda fast.  They raced up the screen.  One group alone credited over 300 digital artists.  This was for a film supposedly relying heavily on model making.

    I could not see the boundaries.

    I saw a few flubs - like when the junk dealer offers Ren a pile of money for the droid, placing the pile of money on the counter.  She says no and grabs her pittance from the otherwise empty counter.  This is immediately followed by the junk dealer grabbing back his pile of money from the money covered counter.  Parsecs again made the transition from distance to time, but I'm pretty sure that was ironic.

    My only objection is that in an age in which there existed the technology to vacuum up the energy of an entire star, people still had to aim (badly) hand held guns.  And they had to manually steer their spaceships.

    The film was a homage on many levels.  For me it began with the slight horizontal jitter of the introductory titling.  A simulation, I thought, of the worn bearings or sprockets or holes of an old print on a 70s era projector?  At least that's what it looked like to me.  The theatre was new and 3D, any real jitter would have been fatal.

    I remember when single frame images, shading and texture demos or a couple of ray tracings, made a splash at SIGGRAPH.  Rendering, barely a word at the time, took for.ev.er.  

    Like I said, I could not detect the boundaries between the real, the models, and the synthetic.


    Aiming badly (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 02:18:41 PM EST
    I always stay through the credits (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by sj on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:23:45 PM EST
    I have a friend who was a stunt woman on Starship Troopers and ever since I've met her, I stay. Not that anyone can read them all but I do what I can.

    Besides, the soundtrack is always the last thing to scroll and I'm usually interested.


    I love when people whine (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 03:54:20 PM EST
    About film credits being "too long"

    I've heard this a lot.  Like the absolutely must sit there and watch them.  Since I consider my film credits important because they are one of the few things that will be here when I'm gone, it bugs me.

    I do think it's very funny that the marvel movies have started burying Easter eggs or vital bits of information about the marvel universe or upcoming movies in the credits.   Usually at least two.  Making people sit all the way through them or miss them.


    I know (none / 0) (#133)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:07:31 PM EST
    I do think it's very funny that the marvel movies have started burying Easter eggs or vital bits of information about the marvel universe or upcoming movies in the credits.   Usually at least two.  Making people sit all the way through them or miss them.

    Now you have to stay!!!!

    Although funny might not be the word I use.


    Speculation (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 04:31:47 PM EST
    The Marvel movies are effects movies.  Effects people because of the system in which they have no Union to represent them for their place in the credits are always screwed wth being last after the drivers and caterers.  IMO it's a tweak.

    Lol (none / 0) (#139)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:17:27 PM EST
    I can't buy that, they get to place the teaser at the end of the credits. No, Marvel is just making it a thing, imo.

    I did like the political statements in The Winter Soldier though, which I gather will be continued in Civil War. And quite possibly, the death of Capt America, OMG!

    Aren't the effects people consultants to movies, basically they subcontract out the work to a special effects company?


    What? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:25:59 PM EST
    You think all those hundreds of names are consultants?

    No.  Those are the people who did the work.  They work for effects companies.



    That is what I thought (none / 0) (#143)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:46:27 PM EST
    Those are the people who did the work.  They work for effects companies.

    The FX companies are the consultants ,


    I don't know what you mean by consultants (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:56:16 PM EST
    There is a team of people, quite small including the VFX and Digital effects supervisors, who decide what needs to be done and the give the work to effects houses.  They do not countless they do what they are told.

    Many different houses fir large effects movies.

    That is a result of a couple of disastrous fails on the part of effects houses.  Now no one house gets all the effects.  So any one fail is less of a disaster.


    Supposed t say (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:00:57 PM EST
    They do not CONSULT they do what they are told.

    Damn spell correct.


    Btw (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:59:29 PM EST
    Those two credits VFX and Digital Effects Suoervisor are often to almost always shown before the movie along with music, producer, director etc.

    Makes sense (none / 0) (#147)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:05:26 PM EST
    Making I am just stating it incoherently.

    I guess the director, and screenwriter, know exactly what they want to see.
    So they have

    There is a team of people, quite small including the VFX and Digital effects supervisors,

    working with them on the film, and those supervisors are responsible to contract out the work to the consulting companies.

    they have no Union to represent them for their place in the credits

    Just reread that line, lol, the union fights for the spot in the credits, just show me the money.

    Film industry appears to be a financial maze, and now that some actors are substituting percentage  points for a straight salary, oh boy, you need accountants to check the accountants.


    I'm afraid it's more than (none / 0) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 06:13:41 PM EST

    The order professions appear in the credits is controlled by the DGA.  The order is negotiated by unions.  There is one and only one profession in the film industry that has no industry wide Union.  Effects people.  They have no industry wide rep in the negotiations so they are last.  Always.

    Have you never wondered why effects people, arguably the most important participants "effects movies" are dead last in the credits?
    After the caterers?


    I should say (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 08:59:14 AM EST
    DIGITAL effects people.  Practical effects folks indeed have a union.  And appear sooner

    When you really know (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 10:11:10 AM EST
    You are getting old is when your credits start getting remade.  I currently have two remakes on PPV.  I saw Pan the other day add I just saw The Fantastic Four.
    Happy to say they were both improvements on the versions I worked on.  Particularly the latter.

    Just out of curiosity (none / 0) (#165)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 10:30:45 AM EST
    do you miss the creative work?

    I miss having lunch (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 10:44:05 AM EST
    With friends every day.  The actual work, not so much.  The work has changed so much since I worked on those titles.   Every effort has been made to make it the equivalent of factory work.    Smaller and more repetitive tasks that make replacing you easier.  Usually with someone younger and cheaper.
    I talk to kids all the time who spent small fortunes going to school and can't get a job.  So imagine what it was like being 60 yo.  I was not old enough to be a father to most of my coworkers it was grandfather.  By the time I left I was happy to take the good memories and go.  All my friends still doing it are miserable and can't wait to join me.
    Most still have a few years since I got to film rather late.  44 when I got my first film job. Even them at least 10-20 years younger was the norm but I had 20 years of Computer graphic experience having worked in broadcast and other stuff.

    Nah, I'm good.


    I see (5.00 / 3) (#167)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 11:01:17 AM EST
    They took most of the creativity out of the job. What a shame.

    Unfortunately, too many jobs now are like that.  Takes all the pride and sense of accomplishment out of the equation and makes it a repetitive chore.

    I'm happy that you are enjoying your retirement.


    BTW (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 05:11:35 PM EST
    No after credits teasers in Fantastic Four credits so don't bother waiting.

    The reason?  Not the same folks.  They are Marvel but the rights were sold to 20th Century Fox way back when I worked on the original.  


    Didn't (none / 0) (#178)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 07:16:00 PM EST
    Marvel get wise and start their own studio.

    They just print money...for now

    I think they bought their rights to Spiderman back from Sony, trying to get Spiderman into Civil War


    George Lucas sounded graceless and catty ... (none / 0) (#154)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:57:14 PM EST
    ... in that interview with Charlie Rose. Definitely not a good moment for him.

    I haven't seen the new "Star Wars" movie, and to be honest it's not high up on my list. But everyone I know who has seen it says it's light years better than the last three, which were produced under Lucas's helm.

    I'll probably see it when the lines start to dwindle. Two weeks after its opening, moviegoers were still lining up for it at the theatre yesterday when we went to see "Carol." (Highly recommended, BTW. Great film, and both Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara are awesome.)



    Christmas was so wild and crazy (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 31, 2015 at 09:55:19 PM EST
    We are quiet tonight. Mussels over angel hair and a little wine while watching The Expanse.

    Doubt it makes any difference (none / 0) (#99)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:16:41 AM EST
    But Martin O'Malley failed to acquire enough valid signatures to be on the primary ballot in Ohio. He only needed 1000. With the Ohio primary set for March 15, looks like a sure sign he'll be done sooner rather than later...not that there was ever much doubt, but this type of news should send what little staff he has scurrying to their next job.

    I honestly don't know how he's (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Anne on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 01:38:13 PM EST
    hung in this long...but then what?  Does he choose sides, or choose the sidelines until someone locks up a nomination?  Does he put his energy into getting down-ticket Dems elected?

    Guess we'll know soon enough.


    Michigan wipes out the Gators. Where is BTD? (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 05:38:38 PM EST

    He's out recruiting (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 07:52:57 PM EST
    a QB and a kicker. We haven't had either since midway through the season.

    Stanford crushed Iowa (none / 0) (#160)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 01, 2016 at 10:50:28 PM EST
    in the Rose Bowl.  Therefore, wife (Stanford grad) is happy. The Philadelphia Mummers Parade admitted three new musical marching groups - one Puerto Rican, one Mexican, one African-American (steppers). The event is no longer all white ethnics, all male, or all drunk; another big step away from this century-old tradition's endemic racism (the elimination of black-face about 20 years ago was the first big step). All in all, a good New Year's Day.

    Poor Carly (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 11:27:10 AM EST
    She did her undergrad at Stanford but in one of the great political suck-ups, said she was pulling for the Iowa Hawkeyes rather than her alma mater. That went about as well as her time at HP.

    Yeah, (none / 0) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 11:59:59 AM EST
    she's the butt of jokes all over twitter.

    45 to 6 (none / 0) (#162)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 08:45:57 AM EST
    The Vols over Northwestern..

    We lost 4 games by a total of 17 points.

    Maybe the media was overlooking us.

    Tenneesee was the favorite (none / 0) (#169)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 11:29:19 AM EST
    no one was overlooking them.

    The Ducks are up tonight. They (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 12:45:43 PM EST
    face a diminished TCU. I do not think it will be as good a game now that the TCU QB has gotten himself arrested and suspended from the team.

    Maybe TCU will be a team obsessed due to their QB's antics. Whatever.

    GO, DUCKS!!!!!!!


    Well NW was (none / 0) (#173)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 02:37:09 PM EST
    ranked 13th and the Vols 23rd...

    Somebody was overlooking them...

    Although the analysts on ESPN did pick TN to win.


    No four loss team (none / 0) (#174)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 03:59:12 PM EST
    at the end of the regular season is going to be ranked in the top 20. That's just the way it works.

    But an SEC team with the close losses as you described is going to have the financial backers once they head out of conference. Especially when NW was smoked by both top 20 teams they played this season. That performance by Tennessee also helps  explain why Alabama opened as a 6 point favorite against #1 Clemson. Not that Bama will necessarily win if they can't shutdown the speedy running QB Clemson puts on the field. (no matter how many Clemson players are suspended for failed drug tests)


    I understand the "line" and what it (none / 0) (#179)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 02, 2016 at 08:40:19 PM EST
    is supposed to do.

    And I concede the 4 losses point.

    But how do we get strength of schedule to actually mean something?