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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:11:52 PM EST
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I just got home and have seen none of the preliminaries. Thus, I am untainted.

I'll post my thoughts periodically throughout the debate. No stenography so if you want to know what is being said word for word, you'll have to watch.

Update (Jeralyn): I just got home as well and will chime in in comments. Thanks, BTD!

0-0 in the 2nd.

You think Anderson Cooper rolled some dice last night?

Ugh "we teamed up with FaceBook." I'm tired already.

Jim Webb lives!

0-0 in the 3rd.

Omigawd CNN is determined to bore us to death.

2 minute opening statements. zzzz.

I''m also tweeting really HIlarious stuff here

Bernie gives his stump speech. It's a good one though.

Hillary very polished delivery not surprisingly.

First question TPP, Cooper load it with the "say anything" crap. But Cooper is not tough enough it doesn't work from him.

Clinton answer is fine.

SOSHULIST!!!!

I'll have to think about Sanders' answer a little bit.

Interesting interplay between Sanders and Clinton on SOSHULISM! she defended him but differentiated as well. Pretty deft.

Bernie getting hit on guns.

Hillary hitting him on guns!

Everybody hammering Bernie on guns!

Hillary pretty happy with this debate so far.

Hillary plays Obama card! Really smart!

Hillary owning this debate.

Now Libya, Hillary dead wrong on that one. Imo. No one agrees with me. Webb does apparently.

I'm taking break too.

Thnk you Bernie

I'm calling the fight. Hillary by TKO. Now wants 60 debates, not 6.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:34:25 PM EST
    preliminaries, aka "let me count the times I want to punch a pundit".

    Anderson Cooper is rocking the (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:42:00 PM EST
    Hot librarian look tonight

    Martin and Burn (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:48:03 PM EST
    Mouthing the Star Spangled Banner. Josh claims this gets them 5 new pts in the polls. Then the dudes in the house rewound and went frame by frame to see who put their hand over their heart first. It looked like Martin then Lincoln...sigh...I live with men who think like Republicans. No wonder I'm cranky.

    Honestly (none / 0) (#189)
    by Nemi on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 06:12:18 AM EST
    to me they sound like fun. :)

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    I'm sending them to you (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:02:41 AM EST
    The next debate. They are fun in small doses when I'm serious about something :)

    Parent
    Bring them on :) (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Nemi on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 11:15:25 AM EST


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    If Lincoln Chaffee (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:49:12 PM EST
    Wishes to be taken seriously there needs to be a stylist intervention.

    Chaffee looks like (none / 0) (#152)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:35:08 PM EST
    Red Skelton

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    He does!! (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:36:47 PM EST
    A skinny Red Skelton.  I want to see him in the funny hat.

    Parent
    Clem Kadiddlehopper. (none / 0) (#158)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:47:14 PM EST
    Indeed

    Parent
    First candidate opens his (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:50:34 PM EST
    mouth and already I am pouring the bourbon into the glass and down y throat.

    Block of granite who is never (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:10:27 PM EST
    open to changing a position? What if new information arises or situations change? Chafee cannot hear it because granite does not have ears?

    Changing parties (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:13:49 PM EST
    That's ok

    Parent
    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:17:42 PM EST
    Bernie Hillary owned you on guns, called out the NRA by name, huge applause.

    No (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:26:22 PM EST
    good answer to Syria/ISIS

    Beating the Iraq AUMF vote again

    Hillary's answer on the judgement question was goo (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:28:28 PM EST
    Obviously has had plenty of time to prepare for that question, but well done, with a twist I did not expect about debating that very thing wig Obama 25 times and then him selecting her as SoS. Great point.

    Haha - good, not goo (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:29:11 PM EST


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    My family has decided that Bernie (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:30:11 PM EST
    Sanders sounds like that guy who used to play George Steinbrenner on Seinfeld.

    Omg,me does. Now that is all I can hear. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:41 PM EST


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    And Webb somehow looks like (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Towanda on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:45:57 PM EST
    Gary Sinise playing Webb.

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    Bernie Sanders is the (none / 0) (#190)
    by ding7777 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 07:11:49 AM EST
    Larry David of presidential candidates

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    Hillary has nailed the split screen (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:33:25 PM EST
    listening face.

    Decades of practice (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:37:46 PM EST


    Parent
    Ha! True - where do you suppose she goes (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:53:14 PM EST
    in her head!

    Parent
    Best not to know (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:56:49 PM EST
    Probably

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    Webb declares war on China (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:33:27 PM EST
    Great.

    Good answer from Webb about ... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:39:48 PM EST
    ... Sen. Sanders' seeking of conscientious objector's status during the Vietnam War. It's not an issue except in the minds of chickenhawks.

    Ha! My husband called bull$hit and pandering :) (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:43:45 PM EST


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    I didn't think so. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:51:56 PM EST
    The Vietnam War's over. It's long past time we respect the fact that there were good and patriotic Americans on both sides of a very contentious and divisive issue, and move on.

    Parent
    It's not what a conscientious objector (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:54:49 PM EST
    Is though Donald. And in the wars that Bernie funded soldiers went to prison refusing to deploy to Iraq doing exactly what he did. It matters. It will eat him alive in the general.

    Parent
    The others were nice not to call B.S. on that (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Towanda on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:08:38 PM EST
    and I do mean that Sanders was full of B.S. on that.

    He repeats that he was not a pacifist.  Well, then, I'd like to look at what you said then, Senator Sanders, that got you conscientious objector status.

    Parent

    Exactly. It's not a gray issue or definition (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:13:58 PM EST
    One does not make that claim for the reason he did. Then roll that back for yourself and allow the next generation to go to prison for the same thing while you just stand there.

    Parent
    Actually it didn't (none / 0) (#128)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:10:05 PM EST
    He was rejected

    Parent
    It was on file (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:17:30 PM EST
    They rejected it when he reached the age of 26 because he was no longer in the age range to serve, they did that so if new parameters were set for the draft age he would have to resubmit.

    Parent
    Good, and thanks for the clarification (none / 0) (#137)
    by Towanda on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:17:23 PM EST
    but he still attempted it.

    I am sad to see, after all of the fanfare from his fans, that Sanders is dishonest.

    Parent

    I understand that. (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:31:16 PM EST
    Bernie Sanders is now 73 years old. He was 24 or 25 at the time he applied for CO status. That was nearly a half-century ago, and IMHO it serves no useful purpose whatsoever to resurrect up old and unresolvable matters related to what was an incredibly divisive issue at the time. Again, the Vietnam War is over. Let's please give it a rest.

    Parent
    I believe her point is (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:33:57 PM EST
    The republicans certainly will not give it a rest and neither likely will many voters.

    Parent
    That's because ... (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:13:44 PM EST
    ... Republicans have got absolutely nothing else to run on, save for attacking Planned Parenthood and a woman's right to reproductive choice, allowing bigots to continue to discriminate against the LGBT community, and banning burkas and Sharia Law. And that's how Democrats need to answer that.


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    A conscientious objector, under the law (5.00 / 4) (#200)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 12:57:30 PM EST
    must be opposed, by reason of religious or equivalent beliefs, to participation in war "in any form" - not selective. Many applied for CO status during the Vietnam era who did not meet that standard. Most were denied, but some were (mistakenly or whatever) granted. And the courts kept modifying and reinterpreting the test, so it was not improper to apply, say what you (thought you) believed, and see how they ruled. Plus, you were doing it, at that time, at age 18. Most people have evolved/changed their beliefs in one or more significant ways between the ages of 18 and 70, I would think. I applied for CO in 1967 when I was 18, my claim was never ruled on because I was a college student (for the next few years); then I drew a high draft lottery number, which made everything else moot. What I said on my application is what I believed then. I wonder how much of it I would agree with now, if I re-read it.

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    I didn't think being a CO meant picking (none / 0) (#131)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:13:07 PM EST
    and choosing which wars you could support, and I found that jarring.

    He's going to get called on that one, big time.

    Parent

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:15:15 PM EST
    Someone will probably point out that the ones he was for were the ones he was not eligible to fight.

    Just sayin

    Parent

    Exactly..there is no picking and choosing (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:32:49 PM EST
    I do not judge US military who refused to deploy to Iraq because they considered it an unjust and illegal war, but many went to prison attempting to claim CO status because they were refusing to deploy into a specific war. Where was Sanders in defending THEM? He also funded the Iraq War. He might not have voted for the AUMF but he funded the Iraq War and that kept the meat grinder going and sent refusing soldiers to prison.

    Parent
    Good Candidate (none / 0) (#118)
    by bison on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:58:05 PM EST
    A candidate with virtue!

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    SCORE ONE FOR THE BERN!!! (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:48:51 PM EST


    Feelin the Bern! It had to be said. (none / 0) (#98)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:49:42 PM EST


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    Bern and Hill unite (none / 0) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:50:40 PM EST
    Room is on its feet

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    Omg (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:50:43 PM EST
    Emails = WMD

    GET THE HOOK

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    How'd I miss that?!? (none / 0) (#119)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:01:47 PM EST
    Did someone really just make that comparison?

    Parent
    Chaffee (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:04:55 PM EST
    Indirectly

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    lol. The Bernie Hill Show (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:49:39 PM EST


    Bernie and Hill team up lol (none / 0) (#101)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:50:54 PM EST


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    Bernie addressing black lives (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:52:34 PM EST
    Does great

    Hillary would you like to respond (5.00 / 5) (#106)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:52:36 PM EST
    No.

    Best line of the debate.

    I thought that was great too (none / 0) (#112)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:54:40 PM EST


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    I like the pile on the Republicans (5.00 / 5) (#117)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:57:03 PM EST
    phase of the debate

    Not happy with the Snowden answers. (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:24:45 PM EST
    It's like Clinton and O'Malley don't even really understand what Snowden did.

    even (none / 0) (#144)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:27:38 PM EST
    Bernie said it was a crime.

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    Its not that they don't understand (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:29:13 PM EST
    They disagree with the majority opinion here.

    So do I

    Parent

    Biut (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:30:04 PM EST
    at least he acknowledged that Snowden did us a service by alerting us to the illegal activity of our government.

    Clinton and O'Malley were so self-righteous and vindictive that they left me cold.


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    Both (none / 0) (#145)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:27:43 PM EST
    of them made my flesh crawl on that one.

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    It is hard to believe (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:06:19 PM EST
    that the Democratic candidates from tonight and the GOPers in the Republican debates are running for the same office in the same country.

    It is also hard to believe that the Republicans are actual candidates and not characters in a Christopher Guest mock-umentary.

    Monty Python: Spot the Twit (none / 0) (#168)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:10:26 PM EST


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    Biggest Losers Tonight (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:27:23 PM EST
    1. GOP Candidates
    2. Lincoln Chafee
    3. Draft Biden
    4. Jim Webb


    Hear Hear! (5.00 / 4) (#180)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:35:05 PM EST
    Headed to bed. We decided to do this weird pig out for the debate. We ate crab cakes and talapia with bearnaise, and lobster mac and cheese. Uber hedonistic. I have no idea what got into us. I guess we just needed something to celebrate given how the Congress is forever circling the bowl headed for the drain.

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    Two that are done (4.50 / 2) (#135)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:15:34 PM EST
    Chafee may be worse at debates than Rick Perry.

    Webb spends 10% of his time complaining that he isn't given time.

    I was just going to write about Webb (none / 0) (#143)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:25:09 PM EST
    Wa Wa Wa Whine. He gets that award as he complains every question. So nuff of him.  Chafee talks funny. Sorry, there are days we all talk funny, I know. So  nuff of him also. So I would knock those two off of the debates stages immediately. A debate between the final three might work. They have finally got to me as they overtalk and everything is turning to mumble jumble. With all the yelling you would think it would be exciting. A few good zingers were snuck in there at least. But if you would give me my time, wa wa wa wa whine.

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    Everyone has hands over hearts (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:42:02 PM EST
    No problem there

    but (5.00 / 6) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:45:10 PM EST
    Hillary had a mammary gland in the way, that's considered unauthentic in some quarters.

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    Cha Ching (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:49:10 PM EST


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    lol. So do men (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:21:28 PM EST


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    Chafee (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:50:39 PM EST
    parts his hair down the middle. Haven't seen that too often.

    Not since Shemp anyway. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:17:17 PM EST


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    The "do" alone (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:53:21 PM EST
    Should disqualify him.

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    First candidate opens his (none / 0) (#10)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:52:34 PM EST
    mouth and already I am pouring the bourbon into the glass and down y throat.

    and (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:54:30 PM EST
    which one would that be?

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    Two fisted? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:54:34 PM EST


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    I think that double post (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:55:56 PM EST
    was ham handed.

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    O'Malley (none / 0) (#14)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:54:53 PM EST
    is a platitude machine.
    That's what my husband said more or (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:57:29 PM EST
    Less. Both Josh and I simultaneously said, "You haven't watched The Wire :)".

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    Mayor Littlefinger was more dynamic (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:03 PM EST


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    I hope almost none of that character (none / 0) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:46:09 PM EST
    Was based on O'Malley :)

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    He's just an 'merican Pol and he loves his machine (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:24:22 PM EST
    How "Platitude machine" got a Jack Cassidy base line behind Grace Slick singing it in my mind, I'll never know...

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    According (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 07:56:46 PM EST
    to BTD we already don't need anymore of these debates.

    I'd be more than happy with 3 (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:02:56 PM EST
    One domestic, one foreign, and one anything they left out of the first two. After that they start to lose any value.

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    Sanders (none / 0) (#18)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:00:26 PM EST
    was great.
    Easy to follow - and genuinely passionate.

    Hillary --- I just can't stay focused while she talks. Dunno what it is...

    I think it's because you (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:03:27 PM EST
    intensely dislike her. At least, that is the impression i have gotten from your comments.

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    I'm happy lentinel likes anyone (2.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:06:33 PM EST


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    I'm (none / 0) (#51)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:20:00 PM EST
    happy you're happy.

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    I thought Hillary did well (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:05:53 PM EST
    I thought Sanders did well. Anderson did zing him though on specific possible unelectability.

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    Since (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:07:00 PM EST
    I'm not watching how did Bernie handle that question? I hope it wasn't do you like the fire department.

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    Why are you not watching (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:08:38 PM EST


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    Because (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:11:52 PM EST
    I'm in a cranky mood and I don't want to throw things at my TV because of the gotcha questions.

    Parent
    It was the stock answer (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:09:13 PM EST
    "We'll explain to them what a Democratic Socialist is."

    Parent
    Okay. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:13:24 PM EST
    So the same dud answer. If you're going to explain what something is he should have started 10 years ago.

    Parent
    Nice closing, Hill. n/t (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:01:21 PM EST


    Oh no, not the stupid flip-flop crap. (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:02:24 PM EST
    Name a politicin today, running for president, who did not change their position on same-sex marriage. Geez, Anderson.

    Hillary's answer was fine. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:05:16 PM EST
    Cooper looks rather petulant in belaboring the question.

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    okay, Bernie. (none / 0) (#26)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:06:42 PM EST


    Denmark (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:07:37 PM EST
    Pfffft

    Hillary was good in response

    Parent

    What's up with Anderson Cooper? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:09:53 PM EST
    I wish he'd quit interrupting the candidates. It's really annoying.

    He's trying to be as butch as (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:11:12 PM EST
    Megyn Kelly. And he's just not.

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    Ohhhhh, now you sound (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:12:52 PM EST
    Like me going off on tattooed eyebrows :)

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    He's not allowing them to dodge (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:11:23 PM EST
    His prying questions.

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    He can let people finish, ... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:32:50 PM EST
    ... and then say that they didn't answer the question. But instead, he's interrupting them mid-sentence. I'm not tuning him to listen to him. I'm watching because I want to hear what the five candidates have to say. He just attempted to interrupt Mrs. Clinton five times in that last segment. Good for her for just talking past him.

    Parent
    Andedrson (none / 0) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:12:42 PM EST
    is channeling his inner Trey Gowdy.

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    Martin threw Baltimore under the bus? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:10:06 PM EST


    Hillary is going after Bernie (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:15:27 PM EST
    A little more than I expected.

    Anderson is running a real rippin debate (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:16:50 PM EST


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    More lively than I think (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:20:13 PM EST
    I expected

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    Yeah, I thought that gun round - no pun intended- (none / 0) (#58)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:24:13 PM EST
    was good. I actually learned legitimate differences among the candidates.

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    The "he endorsed me the first (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:43:32 PM EST
    Time I ran". Made me laugh.  

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    Hill pummels Burn on guns (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:16:04 PM EST
    And voting against Brady Bill. I'm feeling a burn.

    Not alone (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:18:38 PM EST
    Bernice's rural state answer is not going to get him far.   Speaking from experience.

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    It will in Colorado (none / 0) (#176)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:26:07 PM EST
    and other Western states.

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    I really hate this whole blame (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:19:28 PM EST
    gunn violence on the mentally ill. That kid who pulled out hsi gun and shot other students at TSU was not mentally ill. He was a college kid who got in a fight, got his gun and shot people.

    The guy in Charleston is not mentally ill. He is full of hate, but hatred is not a menyal illness.

    So, get another argumeny, Bernie.

    Parent

    Not to mention (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:40:01 PM EST
    ... it's not an either/or proposition.  You can address mental illness AND support stronger gun laws.

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    And they divided the fishes and loaves (none / 0) (#174)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:22:43 PM EST
    After dinner, Jesus entertained everyone by walking on water :)

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    This is a 2 person debate (none / 0) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:18:04 PM EST
    and 3 others with box seats

    Good Candidates (none / 0) (#47)
    by bison on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:18:21 PM EST
    All the Democratic candidates are good!

    yes they are (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:41:04 PM EST
    It's a relief not to wince during the answers and wonder what country we're living in.

    Democrats are so many light years better than Republicans, even on positions I disagree with them on.

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    This has been very interesting (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:44:54 PM EST
    So far.   Agree such a contrast with the republican debates.   I don't think we will be alone in noticing that.

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    Bernie is losing the Democratic gun debate (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:19:01 PM EST
    Damn shame

    I thought it was his best answer (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:28:31 PM EST


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    Heh! You and I are on opposite (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:35:45 PM EST
    Sides of that spectrum. I did notice that candidates with poor NRA ratings received the applause from the audience. Not that that audience is respective of the American voter make up.  But Bernie has to win the Democratic primary first.

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    I (none / 0) (#70)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:32:38 PM EST
    don't see it that way...

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    Anderson thrashes Webb on guns now (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:20:31 PM EST
    And getting an A rating from the NRA. Go Anderson!

    O'Malley aiming to be last man standing (none / 0) (#54)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:21:07 PM EST
    with the one women still standing

    Yes he is looking very vice-presidential (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:24:56 PM EST


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    For a minute he looked like he was going (none / 0) (#82)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:39:35 PM EST
    to come out with a 'you're absolutely right, Madame President!'

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    Abrupt pivot (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:22:37 PM EST
    From guns to Russians

    Hillary steps in Syria (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:23:48 PM EST


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    First, Hillary looks terrific (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:27:48 PM EST
    Her opening was so much better than the others.
    Bernie is like your grandfather's Oldsmobile. He comes across like a malcontent.

    Webb and O'Malley: Why are they even here?

    Hillary: Stand up to the NRA. She gets cheers.
    Sanders has the better position, but Hillary's is more popular with Democrats. That was Sanders' best answer.

    Panderer-in-Chief: O'Malley touts an Aurora shooting victim's parents in the audience.

     

    Disagree... (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:36:57 PM EST
    Bernie is like your grandfather's Oldsmobile. He comes across like a malcontent.

    Why shouldn't he be a malcontent?

    What is there to be content about?

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    I think he's coming across well (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:41:09 PM EST
    He's winning some, and losing some. But I don't perceive him as a malcontent. On income inequality he has no equal on that stage IMO.

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    Webb looks like (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:58:50 PM EST
    James Cagney

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    Jim Webb.....ex warrior (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:31:02 PM EST
    Whining about being ignored....sigh

    I cannot se Webb without thinking (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:32:39 PM EST
    of the Tailhook scandal and his dismissive comments about women in the military.

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    He is IMO still too much jarhead (none / 0) (#81)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:38:47 PM EST
    In problem solving. Hasn't evolved enough. My spouse is less jarhead, doesn't even claim to be a Democrat.  Is an Independent.

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    Hillary is owning this (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:35:51 PM EST
    IMO so far

    I'm postponing my evaluation until about an hour (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:39:51 PM EST
    after the debate.  If I can remember any of these mini lectures, that's my winner.

    I do like Bernie's mini speech on the Vietnam era war resistance.

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    Yeah, lots of stumbling and bumbling among (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:42:12 PM EST
    the rest. Say what you will about her, she is always prepared. As I did 8 years ago, I trust her to do a good job with whatever she attempts, and I don't have show-stopping differences with her ideas.

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    IMO the loser so far (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:47:37 PM EST
    Is Bernie.  Since he has the most to lose.

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    I agree with you on Libya, BTD. (none / 0) (#77)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:36:36 PM EST
    And we are in the minority.

    Webb (none / 0) (#80)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:38:38 PM EST
    just spooked me out.

    Chaffee (none / 0) (#86)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    said "CHOPS"

    And Hillary slaps Chafee down. Way to go. (none / 0) (#102)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:51:42 PM EST
    And good for you, Bernie.

    Yes, good for him. (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:53:59 PM EST
    Bernie Sanders is the one person on the podium to smack down the silly email kerfuffle and call it out for what it is.

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    Emails (none / 0) (#114)
    by bison on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:55:34 PM EST
    Did you feel that !

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    Hill vs Chafee (none / 0) (#104)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:52:15 PM EST
    Hill for the win

    Kudos (none / 0) (#107)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:52:59 PM EST
    to Bernie on the emails well played by both of them plus the audience.

    I'm glad (none / 0) (#109)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:53:30 PM EST
    that Bernie laid into Anderson about the email bs.

    It is disgusting how removed from reality these media folks are.

    So good! (none / 0) (#115)
    by bison on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:56:33 PM EST
    I was pleased to hear say that! America needed to hear it!

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    Bernie has great answers on the (none / 0) (#111)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 08:54:07 PM EST
    criminal justice system.

    Also great: The American people are tired of hearing about your damn emails." Standing ovation on the emails not being a big issue.

    Martin and Bernie really taking Hillary (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:05:40 PM EST
    To task over Wall Street and shadow banking. A real debate about real issues. How wonderful.

     Hillary's trying to pivot to climate change. Not sure she should be able to pivot that easily on this issue.

    She is the bologna between the rye (none / 0) (#123)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:07:19 PM EST
    on that subject...

    I am really pleased at how substantive this debate has been.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:08:38 PM EST


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    Is (none / 0) (#163)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:56:03 PM EST
    that meant as a compliment?

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    No. It was a little bit of a play on (none / 0) (#165)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:00:49 PM EST
    words, given that she was physically positioned in between Sanders and O'Malley, but it was also about how I thought much of her answer was a bunch of bologna.

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    Me too. (none / 0) (#182)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:37:19 PM EST


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    Time for Webb to start whining (none / 0) (#122)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:06:10 PM EST
    about the Bernie/Hillary/Martin show...

    I think it may help O'Malley that he isn't sucking up to Clinton.

    And he does (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:08:10 PM EST
    I can't believe how much that guy whines :( Not true leadership...all that whining.

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    Chaffee has hardly spoken (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:08:38 PM EST
    And when he dies it becomes obvious he better off as set decoration.

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    But he's really not that decorative... (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:11:27 PM EST
    he may be the animatronic element of the debate.

    Anderson Cooper's annoying me with how often he interrupts people.

    And whoever said Sanders sounds like the voice of George Steinbrenner from Seinfeld was dead on - had been trying to place the familiarity of Sanders' voice and that's it!

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    I think it was Larry David that did that (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:14:16 PM EST
    voice. Fits the attitude too.

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    My problem with Sanders us that he has as good (none / 0) (#130)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:12:52 PM EST
    a chance getting these things through congress as a Senator as he would as president in the current environment. How is that going?

    Sanders is powerless as a senator (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Juanita Moreno on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:16:19 AM EST
    How hard is it for the billionaire class to buy 60 senators? From the looks of our contemporary plutocratic policies that continue to make the rich richer, I'd say the oligarchy owns more than half of Congress and a president as well. With Obama, they've got themselves someone who our side is unwilling to fight against when he embeds insurance company profits between us and our healthcare, increases endless war profiteering well beyond Bush's achievements, continues massive environmental destruction while appeasing the left with crumbs, pursues hero whistleblowers instead of banksters and billionaire tax evaders, and perpetuates the Bush-era loss of privacy rights while the militarization of the police subdues public dissent.

    Mr. Transparency even has a secret UNfair trade agreement that will likely destroy the rest of our middle class and most of the public safety, worker's rights and environmental protections we've fought for over the past two centuries.

    As a senator, Bernie Sanders stands against left wing sellouts. But without sixty more like him in Congress, we'll continue down the road of environmental destruction and the undermining of our democracy.

    As President, Bernie can forward every progressive change he stands for. He's not like Obama who convinced progressives to vote for him, then told us to sit back and HOPE he actually meant what he said. Bernie wants a political movement behind him, which, coincidently, is what we want too.

    If we build a truly progressive movement along with Bernie's campaign, then use that movement to support him as President, we'll create the Change we Hoped for back in 2008. It might take a while, but we can effectively fire a third of Congress every two years if we have to. This movement is what many of us have waited for our entire lives. It's our chance to take back our government from the stranglehold of the rich and powerful.

    This is the vision that is bringing millions of disaffected Democrats back into our Party and even more voters who've never joined us in the past, especially our youth. If we squander this opportunity by electing yet another corporatist who hooks us in with social issues but continues to elevate the billionaires who buy our government, our once powerful middle class will be gone and our country will be structured like any other third world nation. That's the end game of the TPP and people who've figured out it's more profitable to buy Democrats than Republicans.

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    In other words... (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 11:57:41 AM EST
    it's not Bernie's fault that the other 49 states don't elect quality Senators.  Shame on us, blame on us...not Bernie.

    Well said Juanita.  

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    O'Malley was good on immigration (none / 0) (#136)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:17:07 PM EST


    Hillary would go further than (none / 0) (#139)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    Obama on immigration.

    O'Malley calls Trump a carnival barker.

    Chaffee: I always vote with the vast majority (none / 0) (#140)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:21:03 PM EST


    Deer in the headlights (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:24:47 PM EST
    With a Shemp haircut

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    His answer (none / 0) (#150)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:33:20 PM EST
    about voting for something he didn't understand because he was farblunget because of the death of his father... wasn't very reassuring.

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    Webb says (none / 0) (#154)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:39:38 PM EST
    that nuclear power is safe and clean.

    Goodbye Jim.

    What's with Webb's fixation on China? (none / 0) (#155)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:41:32 PM EST
    At least I know what his answer will be if they ask about the candidates' least favorite food.

    Oy.

    It is his inner jarhead (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:14:04 PM EST
    Seeking the inner paranoid Conservative in all of us. Not good bait. Not even fishing for the species in season Webb. Will catch no fishes in this pond.

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    Noise engulfs signal (none / 0) (#156)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:46:06 PM EST
    Another debate candidates.

    I now understand BTDs response about wanting 60 debates. As much as the Republucans have no substance other than $hit, these candidates have soooo much substance.

    But noise has engulfed the signal for now tonight.

    No????????????????? (none / 0) (#157)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:46:14 PM EST


    Clinton (none / 0) (#159)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:47:46 PM EST
    doesn't know about legalizing recreational mj.

    She doesn't know....

    Oh god.

    Please.

    Let me alone.

    Just lost Kdog's vote (none / 0) (#161)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:49:09 PM EST
    Well, ... if he would ever even consider it.

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    That is (none / 0) (#162)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:53:25 PM EST
    answer was Hillary Clinton at her worst.

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    Meh (none / 0) (#167)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:08:33 PM EST
    Not sure how.  A majority of Dems suppoort legalization (including me), but her answer of waiting to see how it works in the states while not jailing pot users isn't horrible.

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    It's been (none / 0) (#183)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:38:37 PM EST
    a year.

    She's not waiting to see how it works.

    She's waiting until she see how the wind is blowing.

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    Eventually, the states themselves ... (none / 0) (#185)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:17:35 PM EST
    ... will force the issue, the way they did with marriage equality. For right now, I'm content with Mrs. Clinton's statement that we should let the states lead, and not arrest and incarcerate people because of marijuana possession.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#188)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 04:57:39 AM EST
    "Eventually"....

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    I finally figured out who Webb looks like: (none / 0) (#160)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 09:48:04 PM EST
    Little Shirley Temple imitating a stuffy adult.

    You are right (none / 0) (#169)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:10:38 PM EST
    He is Gary Sinise playing Shirley Temple, imitating a stuffy adult

    I thought his enemy soldier who wounded him comment was sincere, but he forgets these are Democrats. When you tell them you served your nation with a humble and glad heart, they take you at your word and they are onto the next issue :) There will be no pedestal for you Webb. They won't even give you a sword to fall on :) It just isn't their lizard brained blood gargling thang.

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    fishcamp sez he looks like James Cagney... (none / 0) (#175)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:26:03 PM EST
    I can see that too.  He holds himself square, real squared away.

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    Some CNN pundit just said maybe (none / 0) (#179)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:28:49 PM EST
    He belongs on the other stage ;)

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    I agree (none / 0) (#184)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:04:31 PM EST
    He does belong on the other stage

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    Bernie thanked webb for his (none / 0) (#187)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:49:25 PM EST
    military service.

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    Not what I was talking about (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:14:24 AM EST
    Democrats do not pay attention to war heroics. When Kerry ran, it was a footnote with Democrats that he was a purple heart recipient. If we had been better prepared to defend him, that might have helped, but war wounds just aren't our thing. It just isn't what Democrats think defines a great leader.

    It was aproppriate for Sanders to thank Webb for his service, but Webb wants his service and the fact that he was wounded to be considered major criteria for voting for him.

    If a military leader wants to point out running successful missions that decreased bloodshed, Democrats will add that to your resume and shop that around pretty hard. But not this whining and this focus on being wounded and how that guy isn't around anymore. Not the leadership Democrats are looking for.

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    "That guy isn't around anymore" (none / 0) (#197)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 11:39:54 AM EST
    certainly grabbed my attention. Nobody else in the debate could truthfully say that. If Webb were the frontrunner I suppose he would be swiftboated.

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    He would be hard to swiftboat I think (none / 0) (#199)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 12:16:30 PM EST
    He's got the military mindset down. If you tried to swiftboat him he could verbally kill you with two fingers and a tiny bit of pressure. Kerry doesn't have that mindset. He's a negotiator, a statesman, when they came for his scalp he didn't know exactly how to confidently take them down.

    But if they tried swiftboating Webb and the rest of us were slow to jump on board and support him, maybe they could get it done.

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    He reminded me a little of the (none / 0) (#173)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:22:14 PM EST
    Vincent D'Onofrio "exterminator" character from Men in Black.  I kept expecting him to reach up and adjust the positioning of the skin on his neck.

    Link


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    lol. Who did Chaffee remind you of? (none / 0) (#178)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:27:49 PM EST


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    This guy: (none / 0) (#181)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:35:35 PM EST
    Link

    Clem Kadiddlehopper

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    Per the inimitable Charles Pierce, ... (none / 0) (#186)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 11:19:42 PM EST
    ... Lincoln Chaffee is a guy you've met at Chuck E. Cheese.

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    I fell asleep (none / 0) (#172)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 at 10:18:32 PM EST
    Doubt I missed much

    Match.com profile (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 09:37:06 AM EST
    Like to:

    Watch TV and take naps.

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    So you did catch up with Ray Donovan? (none / 0) (#195)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 14, 2015 at 10:28:09 AM EST
    Bunchy just makes me want to cry most of the time.

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    Are all wars the same? (none / 0) (#201)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 15, 2015 at 02:23:04 PM EST
    No, they're not.

    Vietnam was not WWII, and if the only way a young man could avoid complicity in that inhumane, murderous, and completely unnecessary criminal enterprise was to apply for C0 status, as my grandfather used to say, I'd shake his hand and give him a cigar.

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