French Hostage in Algeria Beheaded After Demands Rejected

Islamic Militants in Algeria have beheaded French hostage Herve Gourde, a tourist and mountain guide, after France said it would not meet its demands. France's response:

As grave as the situation is, we will give in to no blackmail, no pressure, no ultimatum," he said. "No terrorist group can in any way influence France's position, will, and freedom."

The group in Algeria is called Jund al-Khilafa. It recently pledged allegiance to ISIS.

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    Hard Choices (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 12:21:42 PM EST
    i agree with France.

    Poor Mr. gourde's family will reply that (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 12:56:26 PM EST
    due to France's intractability, he no longer has his will or freedom.

    Yesterday, (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 07:09:27 PM EST
    when I heard a spokesman for the French government say that they would not meet any demands, that they were not afraid... etc.
    I could only wonder how that would have felt to Mr. Gourde.

    I thought the same thing when similar statements are made by our government...

    The video shown the other day of Mr. Cantlie begins with him saying that his government had abandoned him... so he had nothing to lose...

    Abandoned by their own countries...

    Even though it is counterintuitive --- I can only feel that you do negotiate with terrorists. You negotiate with people who hold hostages. That's the way I was brought up - believing in that.

    That used to be the way it was dramatized in films - someone holding hostages v/s a team of experienced negotiators.

    This other thing leaves me cold.


    The family of once of (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 08:20:20 PM EST
    the recent victims sd. Our government told them they could be prosecuted if they paid any money to their son's kidnappers.

    I think it was suggested a member of the (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 10:17:34 PM EST
    Military assigned to their task force told them that.  I would like to know more about it, who and in what capacity?

    According to this link, a (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 10:30:20 PM EST
    member of the National Security Councel:



    Here is a link that (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 10:45:56 PM EST
    Brings up the military member

    Secretary of State John Kerry Friday told reporters that he was "really taken aback [and] surprised" by Foley's allegations. "I can tell you that I am totally unaware and would not condone anybody that I know of within the State Department making such statements," Kerry said.

    However, five current and former officials with direct knowledge of the Foley case confirmed to ABC News that the alleged threats were made, with one of them calling it "an utterly idiotic thing to do that came across as if (the government) had the compassion of an anvil."

    Diane Foley said that warnings over the summer came primarily from a highly decorated military officer serving on the White House's National Security Council staff. James Foley's brother, Michael, also told ABC News that he was directly threatened with possible prosecution by a State Department official.

    "It was very upsetting because we were essentially told to trust... that the way they were handling things would bring our son home," Diane Foley said.

    The U.S. government did try to rescue James Foley along with other American and European hostages from an ISIS stronghold in Syria in early July, but by the time the elite commandos arrived at the location, the hostages had been moved. Foley was executed weeks later by a self-professed ISIS militant.

    Diane Foley said the family believed they knew where their son was being held prior to his execution, but other than the July rescue mission, it didn't seem like anything was being done.

    If anyone paid persons associated with a (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 11:11:39 PM EST
    terrorist group money, they could be prosecuted under federal law. So conveying this info to the family was accurate, if insensitive.

    They can't just leave the family with (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 11:19:51 PM EST
    No options though.  Notice they weren't allowed to talk to the press either, or were at least made to feel like they couldn't.  

    They have a legit beef, and Americans have the right to do what they can for a family member if the government cannot or will not.

    It seems to me the White House or the State Department or the NSC is determined to have their cake and eat it too.

    I am aware that hundreds of hours were used to scrub Sotloff from the internet so that his captors would not and could not discover that he was Jewish.  It sounded like a fine thing to do to protect him.  But did they really do it to protect him or to just avoid an international type incident?

    It no longer sounds like his well being was being considered, though at first it did.


    And if decisions were made (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 03:30:01 PM EST
    with that reasoning no travel would be safe.   That's what hard choices means.  They are hard.

    Don't we all. Unless, it is our loved ones (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by vml68 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 12:59:00 PM EST
    i agree with France.

    neck/head that is on the line?


    The Offer Was Ridiculous (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 01:38:57 PM EST
    Stop bombing or we will kill one person ?

    I don't think it was a legitimate offer, they are just trying to put their barbaric BS on someone else to prove their loyalty to ISIS.  No country is going to stop bombing because of one hostage, they surely know/knew this.

    Bomb droppers understand that innocent people will die, one more isn't going to shut that machine down.

    That being said, it's a damn shame that someone who had nothing to do with anything was killed for no reason.


    Having said (5.00 / 5) (#10)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 07:14:26 PM EST
    ..it's a damn shame that someone who had nothing to do with anything was killed for no reason.

    My mind goes to all of the many thousands of civilians we have killed and continue to kill with our bombing campaigns of the last 12 or 13 years.

    People who had nothing to do with anything except that they lived near a "high value target". So they become something of no value.

    It is sickening all around.


    To the terrorists there was a great reason (none / 0) (#5)
    by Slado on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 02:40:32 PM EST
    He was an infidel and because he was killed in the name of fighting the infidels the beheading was justified and perfectly reasonable.

    This is what you got (none / 0) (#6)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 02:54:59 PM EST
    out of Scott's comment???
    That the "beheading was justified and perfectly reasonable?"
    Where, exactly, did he say that?

    The comment brgan "to (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 08:17:13 PM EST
    the terrorists...."

    Tourism and relief worker efforts (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Green26 on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 03:18:53 PM EST
    are going to decline rapidly in certain parts of the world. Probably coverage by journalists too.

    The moral to the story is quite simple... (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 24, 2014 at 07:41:47 PM EST
    don't travel to the Middle East.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 25, 2014 at 04:39:18 PM EST
    And it is past time for the "ME" to clean up its own problems or stay inside the ME.