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Tuesday Night Open Thread

I'm obviously still focused on ISIS and the Middle East. And, it's almost time for Senor de los Cielos, which is in its final weeks.

For those of you following other news (or entertainment), here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Why every car (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 02, 2014 at 10:19:12 PM EST
    That's crazy! (none / 0) (#2)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 02, 2014 at 11:28:12 PM EST
    Exactly (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 02, 2014 at 11:40:56 PM EST
    Who would believe you actually saw that?  

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    My mini requires age verification b/4 (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:43:59 AM EST
    Opening this video!

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    Try (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:00:26 AM EST
    Hilarious (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:14:32 AM EST
    If entirely fake.

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    Pretty sure it's not fake (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:21:14 AM EST
    And it is rather brutal.  Otoh the guy was clearly looking for trouble.  Who knows what happened before we arrive but you can imagine he was cut off or something, saw who was inside and thought do some chest thumping.  Clearly not expecting SpongeBob, Mickey Mouse, Snuffelagus and who ever else that is to kick the crap out of him.

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    100% faux. But very funny nonetheless. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:53 PM EST
    Why would you say that? (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:42:57 PM EST
    Just curious?

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    You are aware? (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:50:19 PM EST
    Dashcams are widespread in Russia[2] as a form of sousveillance, additional evidence in court, and as a guard against police corruption and insurance fraud.[3] They have been called "ubiquitous" and "an on-line obsession", and are so prevalent that dashcam footage was the most common footage of the 2013 Chelyabinsk meteor,[4] which was documented from a dozen angles. Thousands of videos showing automobile crashes, close calls, and attempts at insurance fraud have been uploaded to video sharing websites like YouTube,[2] an oft-gruesome genre which has generated its own Russian lexicon[5] such as:

    It may well be faked.  But it did not strike me so.  

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    dashcam videos, from all over.

    How do I know this one's a fake?

    Well, having seen dozens of them via my kids,

    A) It's simply too ridiculous.

    2) It's all "movie" punches and kicks.

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    If you say so (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:00:39 PM EST
    For the sake of the guy on the ground I hope you are right.

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    Have to admit (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:08:17 PM EST
    I wondered how hard you would have to kick someone to make it hurt with those big puffy feet.  Hopefully the are foam.

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    Ya. Was there any answer I could give that (none / 0) (#78)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:25:18 PM EST
    wouldn't have gotten a "If you say so" response?

    Here: I know it's fake 'cuz I was Snuflegus, my brother was the Spongebob, and my wife was Mickey Mouse.

    Small world, huh?

    OK, that and lethal "kicks" that don't even bend the pointy toes of their fabric costumes, brutal "punches" that are fabric Spongebob gloves laid gently open-palmed, Mickey's vicious and deadly velvet glove "finger-tipping," etc., etc.

    Funny as hell, but fake. imo, of course.

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    Overly obnoxious answer, my appologies. (none / 0) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:26:31 PM EST
    Ha (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:30:46 PM EST
    My skin is way thicker than that.  Any way an apology for an obnoxious response is refreshing.

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    ACA - 2015 (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:28:53 AM EST
    Some challenges are on the horizon

    One challenge facing consumers will be wide swings in prices. Some insurers are seeking double-digit price increases, while others are hoping to snare more of the market by lowering premiums for the coming year. At the same time, the Obama administration is expected to try to persuade about five million more people to sign up while also trying to ensure that eight million people who now have coverage renew for another year.

    Adding to the complexity is the shorter time frame for choosing a new policy: three months instead of six.

    "In some respects, it's going to be more complicated," said Kevin Counihan, the former chief executive of Access Health CT, Connecticut's online marketplace, who was just named as the head of the insurance marketplaces for the federal government. Connecticut's marketplace was among the most successful state-based exchanges, sharply reducing the number of uninsured in the state. "Part of me thinks that this year is going to make last year look like the good old days."




    When greed is job one (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:17:05 AM EST
    Nothing else matters. Only the idiotic human race would believe themselves constrained by an inanimate object of no intrinsic value. What a pathetic species we are. It's like we are standing on the edge of a sandbox, terrified that a plastic shovel is going to bury us.

    Just absurd.

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    If it's working for the people who have it, (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:54:22 AM EST
    there's not going to be a problem getting them to renew.  For those who have it and are happy with it, I have to think they've shared that good experience with those who don't, and perhaps that anecdotal experience will convince more people to enroll.  On the flip side, I'm sure there are those unhappy with it, who may convince people it's not worth the trouble or the cost.

    Cost will continue to be an issue as long as insurance is a profit center for the companies offering it and the investors who own shares in it. That was never going to be solved by the ACA.

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    You Are Forgetting Something (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 01:39:22 PM EST
    Cost will continue to be an issue as long as insurance [AND medical industry including manufacturers, doctors, hospital corporations and all the related businesses] is a profit center for the companies offering it and the investors who own shares in it.

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    This is not necessarily true (none / 0) (#38)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 01:40:25 PM EST
    If it's working for the people who have it, (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:54:22 AM EST
    there's not going to be a problem getting them to renew

    There could be many people who are currently happy with their plans right now, but if the cost becomes too much of a burden, they will look elsewhere, and once again get back in the blender of buying on the individual market, just as the article suggests. (And of course, as the article also suggests, those who may have had subsidy levels change may also be shopping for new plans, even if they too, like their current plans).  

    I like my plan, but since they have proposed a 15% (average) increase for Blue Cross in Virginia, I anticipate that I will be at least seriously looking at new plans.

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    But if it's working, people are going (none / 0) (#42)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:09:52 PM EST
    to be more inclined to try to find something they can afford, if that's what they have to do - and it looks like some companies are lowering premiums to attract those people.  

    Yes, it may be challenging, but millions of people worked through those challenges to get something they didn't have before, and needed to have.

    This doesn't mean I still don't think there were better ways to "reform" health insurance, but I think it's early to be crying doom for the renewal/new enrollee period.

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    For those that cried doom last year, (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:27:51 PM EST
    what do they have left but to cry doom again. It's the healthcare version of the war on Christmas.

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    I love my healthcare (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:37:41 PM EST
    And I personally know several people planning to sign up in the next enrollment.  Plus this is going to sink in at some point-

    States Not Expanding Medicaid Paying 37% Of Cost In Other States: Report

    But I will no more discuss the issue with that commenter anymore than I will argue with ppj.  And for the same reason.  

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    A rather confusing headline. (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:28:37 PM EST
    What's confusing about it? (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:37:42 PM EST
    Did you click the link

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    Hope this helps (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:44:43 PM EST
    From the first paragraph

    McClatchy: States That Decline To Expand Medicaid Give Up Billions In Aid
    If the 23 states that have rejected expanding Medicaid under the 2010 health care law continue to do so for the next eight years, they'll pay $152 billion to extend the program in other states - while receiving nothing in return.


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    I tried re-writing the headline (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:00:14 PM EST
    after I read the article. Pretty wordy!

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    Report: (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:03:17 PM EST
    States Not Expanding Medicaid Still Pay The Bill

    how's that?

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    And who are those companies that are (none / 0) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:07:03 PM EST
    lowering prices and where are they located??

    A CO company lowering prices does someone in MS no good.

    And what companies are lowering prices in MS for people in NORTH MS and people in SOUTH MS...

    Yes. Coverage is broken down into Zip's.

    And while they are at it, they should show a list of clinics, hospitals and doctors, INCLUDING the type and NUMBER of specialist that each company covers. If you pay 20% less for company A and it has only 1 specialist associated with a clinic then it is no bargain WHEN you need a urologist.

    IF, and that is a big IF, the Feds wanted to honestly help they would publish prices of all companies in all states.

    That they don't speaks poorly of them.

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    You're a big states guy, right? (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:07:39 PM EST
    Surprised you aren't aware that the authority for approval or disapproval of premium increases rests primarily in the states, not with the federal government, although with the ACA, there have been some changes, but still - this is primarily handled in the states.

    Here's a link where you can educate yourself as to how all of this works,

    When health insurance companies announce rate hikes, most states have laws that require some steps to be taken before the new rates take effect for state-regulated health policies. Over the past 25 years, about two dozen state legislatures and governors gave the state insurance department or commission the legal power of prior approval, or disapproval, of certain types of rate changes.

    The statutes typically grant authority similar to Connecticut's example: "The commissioner may refuse such approval if he finds such amounts to be excessive, inadequate or discriminatory."  Some require the use of "actuarial principles."  However, most of these laws do not specify dollar amounts or percentage changes.

    Federal Health Reform
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) establishes a process for reviewing certain increases in health plan premiums and requires plans to justify such increases.  

    The law requires states to report on trends in premium increases and recommend whether certain plans should be excluded from health benefit exchanges beginning in 2014, based on unjustified premium increases. Some of the key provisions took effect immediately, beginning with the 2010 plan year. (Title I, Subtitle A, Sec. 1003)  Generally the federal provisions do not preempt state laws and regulations that provide more extensive scrutiny or powers to disapprove proposed rate increases. Details are provided within the three 50-state tables published below.

    Believe it or not, jim, you can actually find information about rates and increases/decreases - that is information that is publicly available, usually through state insurance commission websites.  Like here, for Mississippi.  

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    I understand that we have NO NATIONAL (2.00 / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:47:50 PM EST
    market and that is highly restrictive. In fact, we have no true state market because not all suppliers do not cover the complete state.

    Which means that small markets get under served and over charged just like the small mom and pop stores under served and over charged in groceries and other items for years.

    Simply put, we need a WalMart.

    So your comment re what's on the Net is somewhat correct, it covers some macro items but not the important micro ones, and that isn't the problem.

    Of course you being a staunch ObamaFan you will defend to the health care user's death the terrible flaws of Obamacare.

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    A "staunch Obama Fan?" Me? (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:22:27 PM EST
    Are you kidding?  Jeez, I can hear the laughter through the intertoobz of people contemplating me as an Obama fan.  Especially considering how vocal I was - and continue to be - about how the administration's approach to "reform" was a lot like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Good Lord; even I'm laughing.

    You have a state insurance commission which approves and denies increases on policies sold in your state.  Not in specific cities or towns, but in the entire state.  

    What I am in favor of is people having access to care - something I imagine you already have via Medicare - and if the ACA is how more people are going to get that right now, more power to them, and to whatever structure is in place that's making it possible.  There are simply too many people still struggling to afford care - that probably speaks to the flaws in how health care in general is being handled - but it really is better to have more people being able to get the care they need even if we have to listen to your cranky, bitter rantings that don't even get the facts right.

    Go to bed, would ya?

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    Well, let me see... (1.00 / 2) (#189)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 10:38:53 AM EST
    I'm for a nation single health care system....

    And you are for CO having the right to sell pot in violation of national drug laws.

    So tell me... who is a "big states right guy????"

    Obamacare is fatally flawed and I see no way it can be fixed. People who had insurance from their employer are being dropped and others are paying dearly to hang on. And I have seen no credible information that we have a net gain. And as prices increase the number of people without insurance will increase.

    Obamacare was designed to provide welfare for Obama's base supporters. That includes the insurance companies who are getting rich from it.

    BTW - I have, as you know, commented for years that we need to legalize many of now illegal drugs and institute a national health care system based on Medicare as a model paid for my a national sales tax.

    I am consistent in my positions. You? Not so much.

    And you voted for Obama. Twice.


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    Well, let me see... (1.00 / 2) (#190)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 10:38:54 AM EST
    I'm for a nation single health care system....

    And you are for CO having the right to sell pot in violation of national drug laws.

    So tell me... who is a "big states right guy????"

    Obamacare is fatally flawed and I see no way it can be fixed. People who had insurance from their employer are being dropped and others are paying dearly to hang on. And I have seen no credible information that we have a net gain. And as prices increase the number of people without insurance will increase.

    Obamacare was designed to provide welfare for Obama's base supporters. That includes the insurance companies who are getting rich from it.

    BTW - I have, as you know, commented for years that we need to legalize many of now illegal drugs and institute a national health care system based on Medicare as a model paid for my a national sales tax.

    I am consistent in my positions. You? Not so much.

    And you voted for Obama. Twice.


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    I think the problem is Blue Cross, not ACA (none / 0) (#83)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:20:02 PM EST
    Statewide, the average rate increase next year is 4.2%. But some insurers, such as Anthem Blue Cross, are raising premiums more than 10% in some markets, while HMO giant Kaiser Permanente cut its rates in several areas to be more competitive. There can also be changes in a health plan's network of doctors and hospitals.

    link

    If I recall, BC was a problem before the ACA also. . . .

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    Increases are never great (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:28:31 PM EST
    But I have BCBS. if they increase my premiums 10% they would increase $6.40 pre month.

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    How much would the government's (none / 0) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:20:58 PM EST
    subsidy increase??

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    Whatever it is (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:58:06 PM EST
    Hopefully it will come directly from your social security and Medicare entitlements.   YOURS personally.

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    Try answering the question. (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:49:52 PM EST
    BTW - You are correct. They are entitlements because I paid for them.

    Your Obamacare??  Not so much.

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    We all paid for them dick (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:51:04 PM EST
    Oh goodness your name is Jim (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:52:09 PM EST
    Silly me

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    I agree. (none / 0) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:14:01 PM EST
    Of course if you are on Medicare, how do you get a subsidy??

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    I formally apologize (5.00 / 5) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:16:53 PM EST
    To everyone I criticized for getting sucked in by this moron.  He's like a freakin black hole.

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    Capt, if you are buying health care insurance (2.00 / 0) (#176)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:48:05 PM EST
    for $64.00 a month then you are getting a subsidy.

    If not then you are on MediGap or Medicare and are purchasing a supplemental policy to may what Medicare does not. If either of these is the case then you comment re 10% has nothing to do with Obamacare.


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    Wrong (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:22:22 PM EST
    You are correct. They are entitlements because I paid for them.

    Your Obamacare??  Not so much.

    1.  An entitlement is a government program guaranteeing access to some benefit, such as to welfare benefits or tax-incentives, by members of a specific group and based on established rights or by legislation.  It has nothing to do with whether you believe you paid for it.  In fact, we all pay for entitlement programs.

    2.  The average SS recipient receives the portion of SS benefits they "paid for" within @ 6 years (with interest).  Medicare is even less.  This doesn't even factor in survivor benefits for spouse who may not have even contributed to SS at all.  So how many years have you been receiving SS?


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    Yman, I and millions of others (2.00 / 0) (#177)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:54:32 PM EST
    paid exactly what the government asked us for.

    The government contracted with us to provide certain services and funds.

    We are entitled that the government honor that contract.

    noun
    1.
    an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.

    verb (used with object), entitled, entitling.
    1.
    to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim:

    No charge for the education....

    But you knew that. Why the false claim and attempt to reframe???

    Wait, we know the answer to that.

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    "Contract" - Heh?!? (4.00 / 0) (#185)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 06:27:58 AM EST
    There is no "contract" for SS - or Medicare.  The government can (and has) changed SS benefit at any time.  But just for kicks, why don't you post a pic of your SS "contract".

    Heh.

    Just to help out anyone who may have been mislead by your failed attempt to redefine a government "entitlement":

    Merriam Webster - a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also :  funds supporting or distributed by such a program.

    Dictionary.com - "the right to guaranteed benefits under a government program, as Social Security or unemployment compensation."  

    BTW - You really shouldn't be attempting to charge people for miseducating them, anyway.

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    Go argue with the dictionary (none / 0) (#191)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 10:40:27 AM EST
    noun
    1.
    an agreement between two or more parties for the doing or not doing of something specified.


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    Look for bats-find Batsh!t crazy (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:11:36 PM EST
    Breaking News from WaPo (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Angel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:16:27 PM EST
    Looks Promising (none / 0) (#108)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:29:41 PM EST
    At least for the cases of alleged brutality that seem to be run of the mill in St Louis County.

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    Horrifying (none / 0) (#183)
    by sj on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 01:05:19 AM EST
    It makes me feel as though those communities were under siege by the very agency charged with their protection. I get paranoid just reading those accounts. I can't imagine living under those circumstances.

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    Digby nails it with this one: (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:38:11 PM EST
    McCain and Graham are talking about "optics" not strategy or policy. What they want is for president Obama to go on TV and talk about good and evil and how the oceans don't protect us anymore and how we have to fight the bad guys and "take 'em out." They want tough talk. They need the US to be swinging its great big stick as hard as it can because that is how they perceive influence to be properly wielded. If you are calm or thoughtful or patient, it means you are showing weakness.

    These two have perfected a certain act. Graham is the hysterical panic artist given to calling for the smelling salts at the slightest suggestion of a foreign threat who is paired with the macho McCain who says we should just put 'em in a room together and "tell 'em to stop the bullsh!t". Together they are the perfect Republican couple of the 1950's --- if Ralph Cramden had been married to Lucy Ricardo.

    Link

    And Peter Beinert, whom she quotes at length, is worth reading, as well.

    Here's part of what he wrote:

    One reason Obama isn't bombing in Syria yet is that he's not clear on what the goal would be. McCain and Graham are. "ISIS," they write, "cannot be contained." Why not? Hasn't the U.S. been containing al-Qaeda--ISIS's estranged older brother--for more than a decade now? But the two senators don't pause to explain. "It must be confronted," they declare. What does that mean? If the U.S. is bombing ISIS in Iraq, aren't we confronting the group already?

    McCain and Graham later clarify: The goal is to "defeat ISIS." Excellent--how do we do that? 1) "It requires an inclusive government in Baghdad that shares power and wealth with Iraqi Sunnis." OK, Obama just toppled a prime minister in service of that goal. But there are those decades of dictatorship, brutality, and sectarian slaughter to overcome. 2) "Mobilize America's partners in a coordinated, multilateral effort." OK, but those "partners"--which include pro-Muslim Brotherhood regimes like Turkey and Qatar and anti-Muslim Brotherhood ones like Egypt and Saudi Arabia--are jockeying fiercely with one another for influence across the Middle East. Not to mention the fact that they don't listen to us all that much anymore. 3) Bring "an end to the conflict in Syria."

    [snip]

    Any serious proposal for expanding American military involvement in Iraq into Syria must do one of two things. 1) Explain, in some detail, how bombing ISIS will strengthen the moderate Syrian opposition rather than other Sunni jihadist groups (for instance, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's affiliate) and/or Bashar al-Assad. Or 2) explain why it's worth bombing ISIS even if we strengthen other Sunni jihadist groups and/or Bashar al-Assad.

    Please, let's not give in to Ralph and Lucy, as tempting as it is for some people to want to do.

    Perfect! (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:57:27 PM EST
    Bring an end to the conflict in Syria! Well, that sounds easy enough. Why doesn't that incompetent Obama just do that?

    I am at the point of having fleeting wishes a GOP hack is POTUS next time, just to shut these idiots up.

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    Graham (none / 0) (#149)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:49:31 PM EST
    And smelling salts.  LOL. totally. She should have a fainting couch in every tv appearance.

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    Some good news... (none / 0) (#5)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:21:29 AM EST
    The Times is reporting that Ukraine and Russia have declared a ceasefire.

    Since their conflict threatened to embroil us - either directly or indirectly through NATO - I consider this to be good news.


    Some bad news... (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:34:14 AM EST
    NYTimes update:

    The office of President Petro O. Poroshenko retracted a statement earlier in the day that said that Mr. Poroshenko and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had agreed to a "lasting cease-fire."

    Oy.

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    This from Itar-Tass: (none / 0) (#7)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:56:31 AM EST
    Moscow has repeatedly pointed out that Russia is not a party to Ukraine's internal conflict. This is precisely what President Putin emphasized after last week's negotiations with Poroshenko in Minsk.

    "Frankly speaking, we are not in the position to discuss any ceasefire terms or likely agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Luhansk. That's none of our business but Ukraine's internal affair," Putin said.

    I'm just curious as to how many people in the real world believe anything that Itar-Tass and/or Putin have to say.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#24)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:34:57 AM EST
    find him to be significantly less credible than any other so-called world leader.

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    And, that just shows (none / 0) (#174)
    by NYShooter on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:42:53 PM EST
    that the West's propaganda, led by the U.S. is working beautifully.

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    Phil Robertson (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:07:26 AM EST
    on ISIS

    What's next? Hillbilly Handfishin' stars Skipper Bivins and Trent Jackson showing up to discuss Russia's invasion of Ukraine?



    Oh, dear Lord - spare me from (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:16:47 PM EST
    "Cultural icons" being treated like their opinions are of the "expert" variety because they're on a TV show...

    Was Honey Boo Boo busy?

    Some days I can't believe how much stupid there is.

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    More Phil (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:10:26 AM EST
    he's selling a book

    Did you know that Jesus hates the gays? How do we know this? Well, Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson told ABC's "Good Morning America" that he's as much a homophobe as Jesus was, so that's that. Aren't you glad that's all cleared up?



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    "The Beloved Disciple" (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:18:13 AM EST
    Good chance Jesus probably had a romantic relationship with, gasp, a dude.

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    Let's hope (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:23:30 AM EST
    He can do better than Phil.

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    Let's hope... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Dadler on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:53:46 PM EST
    ...all us dysfunctional freaks can. ;-)

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    2 Gunshots on a Summer Night (none / 0) (#17)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:03:40 AM EST
    Here's the latest on this crime and the politics involved.

    The amazing thing here is the attorney representing the family of Michelle O'Connell -- Ben Crump.

    Dumb and dumber (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:22:11 AM EST
    The Obama administration has lifted longtime restrictions on Libyans attending flight schools in the United States and training here in nuclear science.......

    DHS said the prohibition is irrelevant now since the United States and Libya have worked to "normalize their relationship," according to the directive approved by the OMB.

    Link

    And then....

    Intelligence reports of the stolen jetliners were distributed within the U.S. government over the past two weeks and included a warning that one or more of the aircraft could be used in an attack later this month on the date marking the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against New York and Washington, said U.S. officials familiar with the reports.

    The aircraft were reportedly taken in late August following the takeover of Tripoli International Airport, located about 20 miles south of the capital, by Libyan Dawn.

    Link

    It would be impossible to make this stuff up.

    They were touting "Josies'" (none / 0) (#19)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:39:10 AM EST
    version of the events in the Wilson shooting 2 weeks ago, which tells you a lot about them.

    BTW, how much aviation fuel would they need for a trans-Atlantic flight? Where are they going to get it from?   How would they fly, undetected, from Libya or where ever they are, to the North American continent, if by hook or crook they were able to fuel them up in the first place?

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    They all are lying, eh?? (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:18:23 PM EST
    The Obama administration has drawn up draft rules that would end a decadeslong ban on Libyans getting military training in the U.S., according to documents obtained by House Republicans who said Thursday that it's the wrong move after last year's Benghazi attack.

    The administration says relations with Libya have "normalized" over the past two years and that the Libyan government has earned the right to have better access to the U.S., which imposed the ban in 1983 after a wave of terrorist attacks involving Libyans.

    link

    Plus many more sources.

    You know, why you would try and deny this by redirection and parsing is a real puzzle.

    This is not some, on your mind, some disputed action. It is a fact and it opens our resources to a country that is very much a state of chaos.

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    Here is my guess re those 11 planes: (none / 0) (#21)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:02:33 AM EST
    From the MH370 incident we learned that the minute those big engines are turned on a satellite ping notifies INMARSAT in Britain of their location.

    They can then be painted and tracked.

    If any of those 11 planes began to head across the ocean INMARSAT would know in a matter of minutes and I'm sure they will know who to call next.

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    You are assuming that (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:09:54 PM EST
    1. All of the planes were equipped with the engines tracked by INMARSAT

    2. That if any of them are the Libyan's are too stupid to disconnect/disable them.

    In addition:

    I would hope that our ADIZ is good enough to identify and have interceptors launched far enough out to prevent damage.

    But there are weak spots and flights from the south flying very low present real problems. Especially if there is bad weather to act as a cover.

    In addition, the air defense system we enjoy here is not available to the various countries in easy range of the aircraft in which we have embassies.

    And remember. Libya is a country in which DHS claims we have "normalized relations."

    Dumber and dumber?? Yes.

    Plus stupid is as stupid does.


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    I'm assuming that our radar (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:06:59 PM EST
    could track something as big as an airliner even without any such system as you link to.

    <b>But there are weak spots and flights from the south flying very low present real problems. Especially if there is bad weather to act as a cover.</b>

    And where are you going to get the crew and pilots to man the thing?  As you should know, such people don't grow on trees.  You still haven't accounted for the fuel they'd need to run them in the first place.

    <b>In addition, the air defense system we enjoy here is not available to the various countries in easy range of the aircraft in which we have embassies.</b>

    Yeah, makes a lot of sense, target the US embassies with planes that can be easily traced back to Libya.  Makes a lot of sense.

    <b>And remember. Libya is a country in which DHS claims we have "normalized relations."</b>

    You know, outside of an occasional hypocondriac or two, I've never known anyone determined to worry about very unlikely events as much as you do here.

    I'm still going to look out for the flying camels.  It's also better than trying to keep track of the assumptions you insist that I must be making when post something here.

    Remember, when you assume, you make an ass of u and me.

    Cheers, and don't forget to check for the jihadis under your bed tonight.

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    ADIZ is (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:24:58 PM EST
    An Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) is airspace over land or water in which the identification, location, and control of civil aircraft is required in the interest of national security.[1] They extend beyond a country's airspace to give the country more time to respond to foreign and possibly hostile aircraft.[2] The authority to establish an ADIZ is not given by any international treaty nor prohibited by international law and is not regulated by any international body.[2][3]

    Link

    OUR radar is used to track inside our ADIZ. (No charge for the education) During the 60's it was extended all the way to within miles of the USSR by Air Early Warning Aircraft flying out of Iceland. This was replaced in the mid 60's by the Air Force's over the horizon radar based in Greenland and White Alice in Alaska.

    And aircraft still got through. I hope it has improved now BUT even a 777 is hard to see on radar when it is 50 feet off the water in heavy weather.

    Crew?? You are assuming that there are no radical Muslim pilots. I remind that assume is spelled "ass (of)u (and) me." Making light of people sworn to kill you is dangerous folly.

    As for worrying and flying camels your comments are laughable. I am a long way from desirable  targets. If I lived in the San Diego, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans or south FL I would be concerned.

    What you are doing is trying to cover the faults of the Obama administration by trying to make light of a serious situation.

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    God, I Hope There... (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:26:49 PM EST
    ...isn't a human being on the planet who pay you to get educated.
    (No charge for the education)
     -  jimakaPPJ

    Would that include a wire clippers to dismantle national security devises on planes that surely are designed to not be dismantled by 'Libiyans' ?

    That if any of them are the Libyan's are too stupid to disconnect/disable them.

    Please Professor PP, teach us more about the intelligence of Libyan terrorists and the simply removed devises republicans over fund in the name of National Security on aircraft for free.

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    I see that you too (none / 0) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:29:07 PM EST
    are trying to cover Obama's incompetence by claiming that the radical Muslims do not the tools and training to disable the security devices.

    Yes indeed. Always assume your enemy is stupid. That always works.

    Sarcasm alert.

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    Are you willing (5.00 / 4) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:38:12 PM EST
    to send all your family members who are over 18 and under 40 to support what you want done?

    Parent
    Forget the "under 40" (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 06:30:17 AM EST
    I expect a certain someone to spend "10 years" actually fighting the war they want.

    Parent
    Are you willing to allow (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:51:36 PM EST
    radical muslims to install a world wide Caliphate?

    Parent
    Just as I figured (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 06:27:19 AM EST
    You aren't worried about that since you are not willing to send your own family members over there.

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    Oh really? (none / 0) (#192)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:25:36 AM EST
    Long term the only thing that makes sense is Universal Military Service.

    Let's have everyone do their share. Rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief.. doctors lawyers..indian chiefs.

    Comment # 6 April 19 2007

    Wasn't there a war going on???

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    And Obama is supposed to prevent (none / 0) (#128)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:25:07 PM EST
    that how, exactly?

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    I don't know what you're (none / 0) (#143)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:42:10 PM EST
    trying to say, but you still(and this is the third time, James) have yet to tell us where these radical Islamic pilots are suppose to get their avionics-grade jet fuel for these civilian airliners they supposedly  have.

    I never said they were stupid James(Warning: Snark alert), but to hope that they are as pig-headed and as lacking in strategic thinking as you show yourself here woulda truly be too much to ask for.h

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    Uh really?? (2.00 / 0) (#165)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:12:17 PM EST
    You don't know that Libya has things called OIL WELLS and REFINERIES??

    Guess what. They do. And they have people who know how to pump it, transport it and refine it.

    It's hard to keep up with you and Uncle Chip but between you....you have claimed they can't fly jet air liners or disconnect security systems.

    Wow.

    BTW - There is no such things as avionics grade fuel. Avionics refers to aircraft electronic systems.

    The word you are looking for is AVIATION jet fuel, not aviation gasoline.

    No charge for the education.

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    Yah (none / 0) (#180)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:44:45 PM EST
    Refining is a complicated process, and it costs money run a refinery and pay people to do the work.  You haven't even demonstrated that any of them are in Islamicists hands, even in Libya.

    You don't know that Libya has things called OIL WELLS and REFINERIES??
    Guess what. They do. And they have people who know how to pump it, transport it and refine it.

    It's hard to keep up with you and Uncle Chip but between you....you have claimed they can't fly jet air liners or disconnect security systems.

    KYou don't know that Libya has things called OIL WELLS and REFINERIES??
    Guess what. They do. And they have people who know how to pump it, transport it and refine it.

    And they're all Islamicists who will gladly do the work for no money because they hate us so much.

    It's hard to keep up with you and Uncle Chip but between you....you have claimed they can't fly jet air liners or disconnect security systems.

    So, they can slip past any radar because they disconnected the security systems, Mr. Techie?

    Sorry, I don't think you're really that stupid, are you.

    Wow.

    Indeed.

    BTW - There is no such things as avionics grade fuel. Avionics refers to aircraft electronic systems.

    The word you are looking for is AVIATION jet fuel, not aviation gasoline.

    I know, since you seem to enjoy explaining things like the town windbag sitting by the Cracker Barrel at the general store, I threw that in to see if you were paying attention.

    Keep making up scary stories about them Islamicists terrorists, I'll keep on the lookout for the flying camels.

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    And, BTW (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:03:51 PM EST
    No charge for helping me demonstrate what happens to a brain exposed to too much Fox "News".

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    The excuses continue (none / 0) (#194)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:34:11 AM EST
    Refining is a complicated process, and it costs money run a refinery and pay people to do the work.  You haven't even demonstrated that any of them are in Islamicists hands, even in Libya.

    And they're all Islamicists who will gladly do the work for no money because they hate us so much.

    Now let me see.... The radicals have taken over and they can't make people pump the oil and refine it...

    Really??? Once again I am stunned by your naivete or inept attempt and carrying water for Obama.

    Maybe both.

    I know, since you seem to enjoy explaining things like the town windbag sitting by the Cracker Barrel at the general store, I threw that in to see if you were paying attention.

    No. You wrote that because you didn't know what you were talking about just as you didn't understand about ADIZ and air early warning.

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    No charge for the education (none / 0) (#84)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:21:47 PM EST
    because that's what it's worth, is what you mean.

    You're the one displaying the paranoid mindset here.

    You take a few facts, ignore the common-sense questions as how they're going to maintain them and fly them as 'terrorist missles', and thing you've proven something.

    Crew?? You are assuming that there are no radical Muslim pilots. I remind that assume is spelled "ass (of)u (and) me." Making light of people sworn to kill you is dangerous folly.

    And if you had any evidence of these radical Muslim pilots plotting to do us harm, that might be interesting, and the folly of being paranoid might be something you should contemplate in your evening ahead.

    As for worrying and flying camels your comments are laughable. I am a long way from desirable  targets. If I lived in the San Diego, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans or south FL I would be concerned.

    Which is why I told you to look for jihadis, camels usually don't fit under the typical American bed, especially the winged ones.

    What you are doing is trying to cover the faults of the Obama administration by trying to make light of a serious situation.

    Let's see, you were wrong about me never having a factory or real labor job, you were wrong about me never having fired a small fireare, what do you thing the odds are...........

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    Really?? You really do not think (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:26:12 PM EST
    that there are, right now, radical Muslim pilots that can fly a jet air liner??

    Your attempt at covering Obama's incompetence is astonishing or else your naivete is mind boggling. Or both.  

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    Detroit 'porch shooter' update. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Angel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:52:15 AM EST
    Wafer's defense attorney, Cheryl Carpenter (none / 0) (#22)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:07:09 AM EST
    lost her composure before he spoke, tearfully telling the judge that Wafer "shows more remorse than any client I have ever seen" and deserved to be sentenced within the guidelines of a manslaughter conviction, despite the fact that he was found guilty of second-degree murder, manslaughter, and a weapons felony firearm charge last month.

    IMHO she is right.

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    From the: What Took Them So Long file (none / 0) (#23)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:29:57 AM EST
    Water Water everywhere but .....

    Californians love their coastlines and but they are finally waking up --

    Water (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:35:08 AM EST
    Will be the oil of the new century

    Parent
    Long, long ago someone said (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:40:47 AM EST
    there have been more murders in the west over water than women and gold combined.

    Parent
    This little town I live in (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:12:34 AM EST
    Doesn't have a lot going for besides the scenery but one thing it does is that it is built around one of the largest first magnitude fresh water springs in North America.  Which births Spring River and has never in local recorded history gone dry.  Or for that matter significantly reduced it's flow.
    By the end of the century, if you believe climate scientists, this sleepy little town may have a defensible wall around it.

    Parent
    Samuel Longhorn Clemens once said... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:12:13 PM EST
    "Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting over."

    This calls for some Tosh..."Till Your Well Runs Dry"

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    That might just be because (none / 0) (#28)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:04:38 AM EST
    women and gold spent a lot more time in water than men with guns did.

    Parent
    Except (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 01:40:51 PM EST
    Much cheaper to extract AKA desalinate.

    Parent
    AND (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 01:41:35 PM EST
    Not scarce.

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    Cheaper (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:01:52 PM EST
    But not cheap.  Thought this was sort brilliant.

    Matt Damon ice bucket challenge with toilet water

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    Cost do desalinating is (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:59:22 PM EST
    An interesting subject.

    An acre-foot is equivalent to one acre covered by water 1 foot deep, enough to supply two families of four for a year.

    That cost gap has narrowed, however. With better screens and technology that helps the plants power themselves by recycling the energy used to suck in water - in a way, like a hybrid car regenerates power from its own motion - the typical cost of running desalination plants can dip below $2,000 an acre-foot. Because pulling up groundwater from wells and recycling water can now cost the same or more, desalination is suddenly relatively affordable for many areas - such as the Bay Area.

    Surface water from reservoirs and mountain runoff, in plentiful years, can be as cheap as $100 an acre-foot. But that bargain has become scarce in the drought.

    It has become clear we might as well get down to it.

    Parent

    But, of course, so does everything.

    Parent
    That too (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:05:59 PM EST
    The videotaped (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:46:24 AM EST
    beheadings have "repulsed the world"...

    ISIS should take a page from us and use poisonous chemicals from various sources, inject them into the veins of people strapped to a gurney, and do it in private.

    Lentinel, do you think executing (none / 0) (#32)
    by Green26 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:47:22 PM EST
    people convicted in a US court of law for very serious crimes by injecting them with chemicals equals executing innocent reporters and aid workers in the Middle East by beheading them and then releasing the videos on the internet? I sure hope you don't.

    Parent
    No, I don't... (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:00:54 PM EST
    But don't get me started on the subject of what we do to detainees in Guantanamo

    Or what we did to prisoners in Abu Ghraib.

    Or what we did to the Vietnamese people.

    Or what we did to the civilian population in Iraq.

    I just react sometimes when I see us suddenly developing a sense of revulsion to others that we are incapable of experiencing with respect to our own actions.

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    Oh really? (1.00 / 3) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:27:02 PM EST
    GITMO?? We built soccer fields. Then, after a suitable rest, we released some so they could go back and start fighting us.

    Abu Gbraid? We punished the offenders.

    Vietnamese?? We were trying to save their country from communism. We failed, mostly because of our Left wing demonstrators and cowardly congress critters.

    Iraq?? They failed to rid themselves of a ruler that managed to convince us and all the world's major intelligence agencies that they had WMD's.
    So many died. Sad, but actions have consequences.

    Thanks for bring the subject up.

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    Someone, magister I think (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:31:40 PM EST
    Asked the other day if her never gets tired of trolling here.  The answer is of course no.  Why would he.  He will probably have something on his hook before I can type this.

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    Are (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:07:42 PM EST
    you actually saying that Hussein was "trying to convince us" that he had WMDs?

    He invited the CIA in to look for them.

    Of course W. was so hot to trot he ignored the request.

    In any case, we killed at least 100,000 innocent people.
    And you blame them for their own deaths? Very amoral to say the least.

    Selective outrage means to me that there is no real outrage.
    Just an agenda.

    And the "offenders" for the atrocities Abu Ghraib were Bush and Cheney. And how were they punished? One paints and the other does the rounds of the talk shows.

    Parent

    Please don't feed him, I beg of you (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by sj on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:31:06 PM EST
    :)

    I would like to read more here than just jim's fact-free rants taking over the open thread.

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    ::sigh:: (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:39:19 PM EST
    Sorry... (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:04:18 PM EST
    I should have realized what would happen.

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    HA (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:07:37 PM EST
    I understand the urge.  

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    Argument. (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by lentinel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:35:19 PM EST
    The world is flat.

    No. Actually the world is round. They have pictures taken from space that prove it.

    Well, then. How come so many people keep falling off the edge?

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    Back in the 80s (5.00 / 4) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:58:32 PM EST
    When I made my living doing CG flying logos we had a client who, in a long meeting, conveyed to me and my boss that he wanted his logo mapped (painted digitally) onto a sphere.
    So I spend a couple of days doing this, show it to the boss and the art director who sign off and we have another meeting to show the client.  Who, btw, needed the spot that day so I had worked, like, 48 hours straight.  
    The client looks at the spot and his face gets red and he screams
    NOOOOOOOO!  I MEANT A FLAT SPHERE!

    Parent
    Here's a funny (none / 0) (#181)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:01:16 PM EST
    Hmmm (1.00 / 1) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:30:59 PM EST
    I see that you disbelieve a UN official.

    Well, when they disagree with your vision of the world I know that is uncomfortable.

    But facts are stubborn things.

    Go back and read what David Kay wrote.

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    Disbelieve A UN OFficial (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:39:33 PM EST
    What?

    UN climate chief: Global warming a public health issue

    As for David Kay:

    In 2004, almost a year after the start of the Iraq War, David Kay resigned his post as the United States' chief weapons inspector in Iraq. Kay said his group had found no evidence that Iraq had stockpiled chemical and biological weapons before the U.S.-led invasion. His findings were at odds with assertions from the Bush administration at the time.


    Parent
    Selective memory (1.00 / 1) (#171)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:24:02 PM EST
    becomes you.

    Kay also said that Saddam was trying to get back in the WMD game.

    So Bush prevented that.

    Would you have preferred he wait until Saddam gave/sold a dirty bomb that was then exploded in New York city???

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    Hahahaha (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:43:07 PM EST
    Nothing selective.

    Kay's mandate was to find WMDs...  Remember the ClownKing looking under his desk for WMDS...  

    In discussing the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Bush notes, "That was a massive blow to our credibility--my credibility--that would shake the confidence of the American people." He then adds: "No one was more shocked or angry than I was when we didn't find the weapons. I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it. I still do."

    Hahahaha

    Here is the punchline to Bush hypocrisy:

    Then Bush displayed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office. His narration: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere." The audience laughed. But the joke wasn't done. After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. "Nope," he said. "No weapons over there." More laughter. Then another picture of Bush searching in his office: "Maybe under here." Laughter again.

    Bush was actually joking about the missing weapons of mass destruction. He was making fun of the reason he had cited for sending Americans to war and to death, turning it into a running gag. His smile was wide and his eyes seemed bright, as the audience laughed. At the time I wrote,

    MJ

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    Yes, that was Kay's mandate (none / 0) (#195)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:36:55 AM EST
    But he said that Saddam wanted to get back in the WMD business.

    Can you possibly grasp two different  things at the same time??

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    Yes, he wanted to make WMD (none / 0) (#193)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:27:00 AM EST
    and the sanctions kept him from doing so, unless you believe the centrifuge in the rose garden was a real step toward making an atomic bomb.

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    What sanctions?? (none / 0) (#196)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:51:21 AM EST
    Like he could sell oil only for drugs and food money???

    Really???

    You believe that?

    Of course you do because it fits your bias. You seem to have forgotten the big scandal...

    its final report in October 2005, a committee of inquiry, headed by Paul Volcker, a former chairman of America's Federal Reserve, found that 2,253 firms, many of them household names, had made illegal payments totalling $1.8 billion to the Saddam regime.

    Link

    And...

    It was the consensus among the intelligence agencies that Iraq had such weapons that led Bush to conclude that it posed an imminent threat that justified the U.S.-led invasion, Kay said

    snip

    "We have to remember that this view of Iraq was held during the Clinton administration and didn't change in the Bush administration," Kay said

    snip

    Asked if Iraq posed an imminent threat to the United States at the time of the invasion, Kay said, "Based on the intelligence that existed, I think it was reasonable to reach the conclusion that Iraq posed an imminent threat."

    snip

    Despite not finding any WMD, Kay said his team found that the Iraqi senior leadership "had an intention to continue to pursue their WMD activities. That they, in fact, had a large number of WMD-related activities."

    Kay predicted investigators would find that Iraqi scientists were "working on developing weapons or weapons concepts that they had not moved into actual production."

    Kay alleges Syria connection

    Kay also raised the possibility -- one he first discussed in a weekend interview with "The Sunday Telegraph" of London -- that clues about banned weapons programs might reside across Iraq's western border.

    "There is ample evidence of movement to Syria before the war -- satellite photographs, reports on the ground of a constant stream of trucks, cars, rail traffic across the border. We simply don't know what was moved," Kay said.

    Where do you think those weapons Obama "red lined" came from?

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    Kay alleges (none / 0) (#200)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 01:51:53 PM EST
    Is that he best you have?  

    Even a parking ticket has more specificity than these allegations from Kay.

    LOL!

    Parent

    If Saddam was not (1.00 / 2) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:53:21 PM EST
    why wasn't he more open??

    I have read that he didn't because he didn't want to lose face with his other Arab rulers.

    True?? I don't know. I do know this:

    Saddam Hussein's regime offered a $2 million (£1.4 million) bribe to the United Nations' chief weapons inspector to doctor his reports on the search for weapons of mass destruction.

    Rolf Ekeus, the Swede who led the UN's efforts to track down the weapons from 1991 to 1997, said that the offer came from Tariq Aziz, Saddam's foreign minister and deputy.

    Link

    You don't try to bribe the sheriff  if you don't have a still.

    Blame??

    Well, when you start to discuss geo morality then you have to understand that when a country accepts leadership that does evil things and becomes a threat to others then yes. The citizens are responsible.

    Now, you can argue and I would agree that thousands of Iraqis would have been killed if they tried to overthrow Hussein. And some did. See his gassing of whole villages.

    But many were perfectly happy with Saddam and many were not but did nothing.

    Is it the responsibility of the potential victim to just wait to be killed??

    Parent

    You just (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:39:55 PM EST
    need to admit that Sadaam outfoxed George W. and get on with it.

    Talking about Sadaam doesn't make George W. any less of an idiot or a liar. Take your pick.

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    Biden: "We will follow [ISIS] to the gates (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:49:58 PM EST
    of Hell," (maybe even Mortville).

    Joe Biden has always been colorful :) (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 01:00:09 PM EST
    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:19:59 PM EST
    col·or·ful
    ˈkələrfəl/
    adjective
    1.
    having much or varied color; bright.
    "a colorful array of fruit"


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    I don't think following them is the issue (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:43:47 PM EST
    They do tend to leave a trail.

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    Houdidi? (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:48:49 PM EST
    Did you see previously TV.

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    Just did (none / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:00:51 PM EST
    I
    n just a few seconds, then, we get a random burst of anti-Semitism, a bout of shameless acting from our star, and the suggestion that Edel filled his movie with stock footage from the video for "Mama Said Knock You Out."

    And that, my friends, is the winning combination. That's a level of hackery that sends Houdini into the hallowed realms of terrible art. I look forward to rewatching this miniseries with a bottle of Absolut clutched between my legs, so that I can swig it every time someone involved with this project should be embarrassed.

    LOL I've got the vodka ready, I'm going in! Only have the last 90 mins taped, but that seems like plenty.

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    You'll need it (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:01:43 PM EST
    TiVo found me a rerun of the first episode (none / 0) (#101)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:09:19 PM EST
    also....I will be making liberal use of the fast-fwd button...

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    That's how I watched (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:11:14 PM EST
    Part 2.  We'll talk

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    Hahaha.... (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:52:54 PM EST
    Girl after s** with Houdini: "'my word !"

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    Is watching it on mute cheating? (none / 0) (#104)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:19:07 PM EST
    The VoiceOver is truly horrible. One of those things that makes me mad someone got paid real money to do.

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    See my comments (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    In the last open.

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    Who did Kristen Connolly play in House of Cards? (none / 0) (#118)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:05:35 PM EST
    I can't place her....

    I'm glad this is not  spoiling my Brody-love. He is still a charmer to me!

    And I'm glad they show how some of the tricks worked.

    Other than that, it is a lot like one of those bad historical reenactments they usually show on the History Channel.

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    House of Cards (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:11:41 PM EST
    I watched the first episode until Kevin Spacey killed the dog with his hands and that did it for me. I thought it might be interesting but I could just not go any further.

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    I forgot about that....or I would not have (none / 0) (#124)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:18:09 PM EST
    been so shocked by the first episode of season 2'

    My brother was the same with Game of Thrones- never made it past episode 1 with the little boy getting pushed out the window. I had to tell him he didn't die.

    Please come back GoT!

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    Christina (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:16:46 PM EST
    Gallagher

    Yeah it was fun seeing how the tricks worked

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    But what was she? A reporter? I have no memory. (none / 0) (#126)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:22:37 PM EST
    Russo's (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:30:32 PM EST
    Assistant and squeeze

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    This is the new season (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:32:21 PM EST
    (I think)

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    Hey, other topic...was Tyrant on last night? (none / 0) (#121)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:12:02 PM EST
    Don't tell me last week was the season finale!

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    Season finale it was (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:17:44 PM EST
    Yeah,  not to happy with that either

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    LAME! (none / 0) (#125)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:21:20 PM EST
    That whole bit with the idiot American women walking around the  Middle Eastern town in their ho clothes and high heels....really put it over the top for me....I was ready to call for a stoning.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:27:23 PM EST
    And the interminable boat scene.   They lost a lot of viewers with that whole soapy episode.  I may give it another chance.  Right now I'm pi$$ed.

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    I really hated his death scene (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:25:06 PM EST
    They didn't even use his supposed last words.  " I'm so tired of fighting"

    Which would have seemed really fitting.

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    Houdini I mean (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:27:50 PM EST
    Spiritualists are fakes! Who knew? (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:33:57 PM EST
    Only the great Houdini!

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    Now I have to see if it's available (none / 0) (#136)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:35:25 PM EST
    On Demand, you all have me intrigued

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    I'm sure (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:37:51 PM EST
    They will rerun it.

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    They have two episodes available (none / 0) (#188)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 08:01:51 AM EST
    On Demand.  They are poorly labeled though.

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    2 is all there are...mercifully! (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 01:18:40 PM EST
    I'm at Mrs Conan Doyle and her automatic writing (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:29:02 PM EST
    Though what the point of the writing is if she is saying the words at the same time, I do not know!

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    Oh jeez (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:33:20 PM EST
    Didn't mean to spoilt it
    €-/

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    Do to worry - I saw the Tony Curtis version (none / 0) (#139)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:37:54 PM EST
    I know how it ends! Didn't even need all of the gut punching clips.

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    Also (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:36:26 PM EST
    One more punch and I would have needed to punch someone.

    Seriously?  How many freakin times do we need to see his appendix getting jostled?

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    Ha- literally in the one they just showed complete (none / 0) (#142)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:41:38 PM EST
    with cheesy internal organ animation.

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    Some poor schlub (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:43:57 PM EST
    Like me is now trying to get a job by showing that at job interviews

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    I hope the schlub has better samples! (none / 0) (#161)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:06:24 PM EST
    Oh well, that was a good mindless unwinder for a Wednesday! Thanks for sharing!

    Now from the ridiculous to the sublime, I think I can finally finish 'Team of Rivals' before I fall asleep...and I can only hope Lincoln was not imagining his mother kissing him on the lips as he died.

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    Oh god, now we're at The Knick with gross (none / 0) (#146)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:47:08 PM EST
    surgery!

    Gonna need something after this to wipe my brain.

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    It looked like the stuff (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:56:03 PM EST
    They dump on peoples heads on Nickelodeon

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    Why use his real, meaningful, last words (none / 0) (#154)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:53:21 PM EST
    when you can showings other kissing him on the lips? Eewww!,,

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    I know! (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:57:14 PM EST
    WTF?

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    iPad typing... (none / 0) (#159)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:59:45 PM EST
    Meant show his mother. Even the ipad thought it was too gross to be true.

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    In other news (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:02:58 PM EST
    I just watched the last episode of ROME.  Awsum.  

    Vorinus says he will take Caesarian to safety because he is really Pullos son.

    Cleo - is he a good man?
    Vorinus - define good.

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    It's been so long, and I did not know the (none / 0) (#163)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:09:42 PM EST
    Real story as well when I watched...will have to watch again.

    I loved Vorinus and Pullo. Can't remember Cleo!

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    Cleopatra (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:10:27 PM EST
    I considered that... (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 01:19:51 PM EST
    but you asked if Cleo was a good 'man'!

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    Curious (none / 0) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:56:09 PM EST
    Why would there be gates when you reach hell? Isn't it open to anyone that wants to go?

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    See Virgil's "Inferno." (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:34:09 PM EST
    I had no idea The Gates of Hell (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:18:49 PM EST
    were in Stanford, California. This would debunk the theory that the gates are to prevent people from leaving, as many graduates from Stanford have left the area never to return.

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    He works at Barstow College. (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:27:42 PM EST
    Pretty warm.

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    Or read Dante's (none / 0) (#96)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:15:53 PM EST
    Inferno.
    His inscription over the gates of Hell:
    "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate."
    Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

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    "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate" (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:44:12 PM EST
    I believe that's what it says on the Gates to Wrigley Field.

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    Hahahahahaha! (none / 0) (#158)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:59:29 PM EST
    Too bad, Cubbies fans!
    Cardinals are currently in first place in the NL Central, Cubs in last place.
    :-D

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    I suppose the gates (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:58:14 PM EST
    Are more about leaving.  But what do I kniw

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    First US appeals court hears argument (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:53:48 PM EST
    to shut down NSA database.

    Six days after the first Snowden leak appeared on the front pages of newspapers worldwide, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit to stop the mass surveillance by US intelligence agencies. A New York federal judge ruled against the ACLU in December. Today, ACLU lawyers made a second effort, making their case to a three-judge panel on the US Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit. It's the first time a US Appeals Court has considered whether the "bulk telephony" database is constitutional.


    Fire, Ready, Aim (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 04:23:47 PM EST
    I hesitate to quote Friedman but I like this

    President Obama has been excoriated for declaring that "we don't have a strategy yet" for effectively confronting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. In criticizing Obama for taking too much time, Representative Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told "Fox News Sunday" that "this `don't-do-stupid-stuff' policy isn't working." That sounded odd to my ear -- like we should just bomb somebody, even if it is stupid. If Obama did that, what would he be ignoring?

    First, experience. After 9/11 that sort of "fire, ready, aim" approach led George W. Bush to order a ground war in Iraq without sufficient troops to control the country, without a true grasp of Iraq's Shiite-Sunni sectarian dynamics, and without any realization that, in destroying the Sunni Taliban regime in Afghanistan and the Sunni Baathist regime in Iraq, we were destroying both of Iran's mortal enemies and thereby opening the way for a vast expansion of Iran's regional influence. We were in a hurry, myself included, to change things after 9/11, and when you're in a hurry you ignore complexities that come back to haunt you later.
    ---

    I'm all-in on destroying ISIS. It is a sick, destabilizing movement. I support using U.S. air power and special forces to root it out, but only as part of a coalition, where everybody who has a stake in stability there pays their share and where mainstream Sunnis and Shiites take the lead by demonstrating that they hate ISIS more than they hate each other. Otherwise, we'll end up in the middle of a God-awful mess of duplicitous allies and sectarian passions, and nothing good we do will last.

    Emphasis mine

    The problem (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:31:26 PM EST
    as I see is that by Obama not having a clear and articulate policy that he's leaving a vacuum that people like McCain and Graham are going to try to fill.

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    Just my opinion (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:37:26 PM EST
    He is not leaving a vacuum  and the Dover Boys are not filling anything but air time.  


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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:40:11 PM EST
    I hope you are right but remember when the ACA was passed and Obama couldn't even explain his own policy the GOP went about explaining it to everybody.

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    More guns, less crime (none / 0) (#87)
    by thomas rogan on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:30:56 PM EST
    http://nydn.us/1r3aUzf

    A terrified Arizona widow, armed with a revolver, hid in her bathroom then shot and subdued a robber who broke into her home.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/arizona-widow-shoots-home-invader-assaulted-article-1.1926713# ixzz3CIJyYzyJ


    The wind? Seriously? (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:11:07 PM EST
    Speaking of in the wind... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:40:03 PM EST
    Has anyone heard from Donald?  He's been missing for several days and I don't like that since we know he's been sick.  Jeralyn if you read this will you send him a note and mention we are worried.  Thanks

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    Thanks for the kind thoughts and concern. (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:39:07 PM EST
    I've been seriously under the weather thanks to chemo, and have decided to take an extended break from blogging. I'm still reading TL, and I'll make an occasional appearance, but I just don't feel like engaging with anyone for the time being, particularly on the subject of Ferguson MO, which from my perspective has really brought out the dark side in some people. I need to focus on myself right now.

    Aloha.

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    Thoughts are with ya. (5.00 / 3) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:47:20 PM EST
    Namaste, Donald (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by Zorba on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:07:54 PM EST
    Healing thoughts are being sent your way.

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    Donald, as someone who (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:37:38 PM EST
    has often disagreed with you let me say that you have my support in your fight. Political disagreements end when someone becomes ill.

    Get better and come back.

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    Aloha.. Get well. (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:01:24 PM EST
    Donald, wishing the best for you. (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Angel on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:12:20 PM EST
    I have been thinking (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:50:52 PM EST
    The same thing.

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    New study links Polar Vortex (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:19:18 PM EST
    to climate change

    As the last few days of summer linger, you'd be forgiven if you feel a wave of anxiety upon the inevitable return of crisp, cold mornings. There's no two ways about it: Last winter, replete with polar vortexes galore, was brutal. And we may not have seen the last of them.

    New research published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications attempts to track the polar vortex disturbances back to their source.

    The study, written by a team of Korean and American scientists, is the latest (and perhaps most comprehensive) attempt to answer a question that's as hot as any in climate science right now: What's the impact of melting Arctic sea ice on extreme weather?

    Through a blend of statistical analysis of recent weather and computer modeling of a world in which rapid Arctic ice loss hadn't occurred, the study establishes a link between the warming ocean, melting ice, and weakened polar vortex. For the first time, the study also proposes an epicenter of action where years of extreme ice loss in particular appear to dominate this process: a remote part of the Arctic between Scandinavia and Siberia.



    Problem is, the ice isn't melting (1.00 / 2) (#172)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 09:34:00 PM EST
    like the hoaxers say.

    Daily Mail headline: `Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now'

    Link

    Try this:

    Following rapid warming in the late 20th century, this century has so far seen surprisingly little increase in the average temperature at the Earth's surface. At first this was a blip, then a trend, then a puzzle for the climate science community.

    More than a dozen theories have now been proposed for the so-called global warming hiatus, ranging from air pollution to volcanoes to sunspots. New research from the University of Washington shows that the heat absent from the surface is plunging deep in the north and south Atlantic Ocean, and is part of a naturally occurring cycle. The study is published Aug. 22 in Science.

    Subsurface ocean warming explains why global average air temperatures have flatlined since 1999, despite greenhouse gases trapping more solar heat at the Earth's surface.

    Link

    What's a guy to believe??

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    Scientists and experts ... (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 06:40:40 AM EST
    ... supported by thousands of peer-reviewed studies.

    As opposed to a wingnut blog.

    That was easy.

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    You mean those (none / 0) (#197)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 12:02:08 PM EST
    University of Washington scientists are wing nuts??

    And the UW's website is part of the wing nut world???

    And the Daily Mail is a wing nut blog and the article with all the pictures are just made up

    And Professor Curry never said:

    Judith Curry, professor of earth and atmospheric sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said last night: `The Arctic sea ice spiral of death seems to have reversed.'

    Link

    Really??

    The things that I learn from Yman are astounding.


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