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    What do you think? Would building a wall across (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29:10 PM EST
    our border w/Canada thwart Democrats from fleeing north if the GOP candidate becomes our Pres.?

    I think a 10 foot high sea wall (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:39:15 PM EST
    on the east coast is needed.

    And then, there's this, from (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:19:26 PM EST
    Andy Borowitz:

    As America's bridges, roads, and other infrastructure dangerously deteriorate from decades of neglect, there is a mounting sense of urgency that it is time to build a giant wall.

    Across the U.S., whose rail system is a rickety antique plagued by deadly accidents, Americans are increasingly recognizing that building a wall with Mexico, and possibly another one with Canada, should be the country's top priority.

    Harland Dorrinson, the executive director of a Washington-based think tank called the Center for Responsible Immigration, believes that most Americans favor the building of border walls over extravagant pet projects like structurally sound freeway overpasses.

    "The estimated cost of a border wall with Mexico is five billion dollars," he said. "We could easily blow the same amount of money on infrastructure repairs and have nothing to show for it but functioning highways."


    While some think that America's declining infrastructure is a national-security threat, Dorrinson strongly disagrees. "If immigrants somehow get over the wall, the condition of our bridges and roads will keep them from getting very far," he said.

    Hard to believe it's satire, isn't it?


    That's not high enough either... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:12:38 PM EST
    you and fishcamp better get crackin' on an Arc, Noah.

    Not near high enough (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:18:22 PM EST
    A bike path I used to ride as a kid down near Biscayne Bay was a foot under water when I ran near it last week. Those dastardly Europeans will be able to float over a ten foot Atlantic wall and have their anchor babies here someday.

    I knew that climate change... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:30:12 PM EST
    and rising oceans was a leftist European liberal plot to float their pregnant mistresses over here so we can feed their bastard children, so they can smoke cigarettes and drink wine and make love in non-biblical ways all day and night.

    Thanks Obama;)  


    I've been hopping fences and walls... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:50:45 PM EST
    since I could walk...fences with razor wire even. Directly behind my childhood backyard was a factory with a razor wire fence...me and my crew of rapscallions were not deterred.  There isn't a wall high enough to overcome the human spirit.

    Give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above...Don't fence me in.

    Besides, the Great Wall of Fear is old hat, Chris Christie wants to track visitors to our country like UPS Packages.  

    "Thank you for calling ICE.  What would you like to do today?  To track a human being, press 1.

    Ok, track a human being.  Please enter or say your tracking number after the tone.  

    I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.  Please enter or say your tracking number after the tone.

    Thank you.  Your target was last scanned at the 7-11 buying milk and bread at 123 Main St. at 1:53 E.S.T. on August 30 2015.

    What would you like to do now?  To dispatch a surveillance drone to the last tracked location, press 1.  To speak to a Storm Trooper, press 2."  

    Notice how Christie, Trump (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:55:00 PM EST
    and their talking parrots never suggests how the people who send jobs out of the country should be punished..

    You're funny... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:10:55 PM EST
    Punished?  That's patriotism.  

    "I pledge allegiance, to the note, that bears a pic of Ben Franklin.  And to the republic, from which it came, f*ck you pay me."


    I still remember Al Gore explaining (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:26:13 PM EST
    what a marvelous thing it would be for our workers to be able to buy such inexpensive things made in China..

    You know it's getting bad out there when the top Democrat sounds like a self-serving WSJ Op-Ed..



    And his partner in crime Bill Clinton... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:47:11 PM EST
    with that NAFTA mess.

    Divide and economically conquer...a tale as old as time.

    With a working persons party like this, who needs enemies!  And pay no attention to that crotchety old clown Bernie Sanders...he's just a distraction.


    Scott Walker's characterization that (none / 0) (#8)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:14:40 PM EST
    a Canadian border wall was a "legitimate issue" to be discussed prompted this from Charlie Pierce:

    Leave aside the basic impracticality of the entire idea - What the hell are you going to do about that part of the border that runs through Lake Superior? Submarine nets? Sonar? Volunteer muskie fishermen with AK's in their boats? Yikes. Forget I said that last part. - and concentrate solely on the fact that, what Walker believes makes this a "legitimate issue for us to look at" is the fact that "some people" at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire brought it up to him. I will pay anyone a shiny buffalo nickel if they will show up at a future town hall meeting in New Hampshire and ask Scott Walker if we should fire sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads into synchronous low earth orbit to prevent undocumented immigrants from Zontar from entering the country. It probably would be declared a "legitimate issue for us to look at."

    (And this is not even to mention the fact that, apparently, Walker is opposed to people crossing our Canadian border but has no problem at all with the world's dirtiest fossil fuel being pumped across that same border and through the richest farmland in the United States. Tar sands don't kill people. People kill people.)

    I hope Walker doesn't read Charlie's column - it might give him some ideas...


    All we need in Lake Superior (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:42:12 PM EST
    I'll open with (none / 0) (#1)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:08:47 PM EST
    ...a statement I read on another blog.

    "Nobody will win the Republican nomination. The Republican candidate will be the one who doesn't lose it."

    Or (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:28:10 PM EST
    The Republican nomination will follow Iowa by going off the deep end. Here are the top 3 in the latest Iowa GOP poll out today by Monmouth:

    Trump 23%
    Carson 23%
    Fiorina 10%


    I saw a Carson bumper sticker yesterday (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:41:48 PM EST
    The better vote, the more informed vote, is Deez Nutz!

    Sorry...Candidate Deez Nuts (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:46:59 PM EST
    Easy to see why Ben Carson (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:17:45 PM EST
    runs so well with Republicans.  What may seem crazy --not so much with this crowd:   "No war on women, there may be a war on what's inside of women.."  (no clarification needed, perfectly clear, it is just the internal anatomy that is being warred against. So it is OK).   "Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery, worse than World War II, the Great Depression, or 9/11."   (yes, giving Americans health care is easily worse than any horror of history). And, who better to reflect this thinking, "  there is no racial injustice, conflict is just the nature of people."    Carson/Gohmert--2016,  'Asparagus a day keeps the psychiatrist away."

    Why Iowa? (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:45:19 PM EST
    A question for Republicans? Is Iowa for Sale?  Some Iowa Republicans fear  that their wholesome, deep-fried butter stick eating voters may feel that their image is tarnished.  

    After the sordid jump of Kent Sorenson, chair of Michele Bachmans Iowa campaign, to Ron Paul's bid in 2011, giving rise to Sorenson's pleading guilty in federal court for taking $70,000, and the charging of three former Paul aides for violating federal laws, including Jessie Benton, a Paul relative by marriage, a new head-spinning mount/dismount has gained headlines.

    Rick Perry's Iowa campaign manager, Sam Clovis, quit the Perry campaign (which was broke) and quickly went to work for Trump as national campaign chair.  Clovis needed a job which is understandable, but this is the same Sam Clovis who just recently said Trump " had no moral center,"   Clovis had much to say about Trump--none flattering.

    Trump's discounting of McCain because he was captured, was greeted by Clovis saying he was offended by a man who sought and gained four deferments to avoid the draft and has never served this nation a day.."  And, since Trump has not asked for God's forgiveness, Clovis said he has "no foundation in Christ."  

    Gee, it is so confusing, last week, it was Perry, now Trump.  And, Perry said Trump was a "cancer"   What is a poor Republican in Iowa to do?   Well, my advice for voters everywhere, outside of Iowa, would be to ignore Iowa.  Or, at least, put it into perspective.


    There was a lot of publicity (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:01:24 PM EST
    a few years ago about Koch money behind a candidate in a local race in IA. He lost. Iowans are wary.

    Interesting WaPost op-ed on advisors in (none / 0) (#5)
    by Green26 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 12:50:13 PM EST
    Iraq including forward air controllers. "Why U.S. generals don't want advisers on the front lines in Iraq". The discussion on the number of people, logistics and issues is interesting. Article.

    "A controller operates as part of a team of a dozen soldiers, plus vehicles, plus reinforcements on alert, plus aircraft for evacuations, plus logistics. To insert controller teams into the battles for Fallujah or Ramadi requires a commitment on the order of thousands of Americans."

    Also tucked in the op-ed is this quote: "The Iraqi government dismissed them [the right Iraqi officers] after our forces left in 2011. The Sunnis were then oppressed, and the Islamic State surged in."

    Written by Bing West--former assistant secretary of defense and Marine who has written several books about the Iraq war.

    In "Heck of a Job," (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:05:42 PM EST
    Paul Krugman (NYT August 31), offers a lesson of Katrina--image and reality of Republican politicians.  After 9/ll Bush posed as a strong leader who kept us safe, so long as he keep talking tough about terrorists.  But, he didn't. The domestic disaster of New Orleans unveiled the cronyism and incompetence of his administration for all to see. It only took owning or having access to a television set.

    Political poseurs with nothing to offer besides bluster can fool many people into being strong leaders--something to note for 2016.  And, yes, Dr. Krugman is talking about Trump, but also, Christie, whose tough guy act played well until it didn't.  Now, he is just pathetic, says Krugman. "he did not change, he just came into focus."

    And Jeb!  What happened to him? asks Krugman. The best governor ever, the smart Bush.  He never existed.  As can be seen by his campaign.  And, then there is Scott Walker, the man to watch.  And, the brilliant Bobby Jindal.

    Just  "a cult of personality built around undeserving politicians."   "Someday, Trump will have his Katrina moment when voters see him for what he is. but don't count on it happening anytime soon." opines Krugman.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:07:45 PM EST
    I agree with Krugman. Sooner or later something is going to happen with Trump but it might not be until after he loses a general election.

    Per executive order, and in advance of ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:33:59 PM EST
    ... his upcoming trip to Alaska, has President Obama has restored the original native Alaskan name of Denali, which at 20,237 feet tall is North America's highest peak. Predictably and tiresomely, Republicans are already criticizing Obama for removing the name of Mt. McKinley as an act of executive overreach.

    But the actual fact of the matter is that the mountain has always been called Denali by most Alaskans, native and non-native alike. The mountain and its vicinity were designated a national Park by Congress in February 1917, but only on condition that both be officially renamed after our nation's most imperialistic president, which has been a particular sore point with Alaska's native peoples.

    With the passage of the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act in 1980, the name of Mt. McKinley National Park was officially changed to Denali National Park and Preserve, when its parklands were combined with those of surrounding Denali National Monument. However, the U.S. Board on Geographic Names refused to recognize any such change in the name of the mountain itself, and so it officially remained Mt. McKinley until today's executive order.

    Kudos to Obama for doing the right thing.

    Why does Obama hate America (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:44:35 PM EST
    Coming to a Fox news broadcast near you.

    Now the Pres... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:54:17 PM EST
    is just f8cking with them, and I love it!

    Another 16 months of this please!  And don't forget the 500,000 presidential pardons.


    Now, to get rid of the name Mount Rushmore (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:49:54 PM EST
    and go back to the original Six Grandfathers. And while they're at it, get out the dynamite and sandblasters..

    FYI: The little tunnel behind Mt. Rushmore (none / 0) (#21)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:56:01 PM EST
    is the George Dubya Bush monument.

    FYI.  Little known.


    They should make it a vertical tunnel (none / 0) (#23)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:08:19 PM EST
    and put a little seat over it.

    Kudos to the Pres. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:16:54 PM EST
    But I must confess I had never heard of the term "Athabascan people."  

    It's interesting that McKinley was the nominee, not the elected Pres. when the gold-standard loving prospector "discovered" and named the mountain. But Boehner asserts "McKinley" was chosen to honor McKinley's legacy as Pres.  

    BTW, the NYT comments re the GOP protest are very amusing. Such as: let them name Ohio for McKinley!


    Campbell Hill in Ohio (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:29:21 PM EST
    The tragic story of Oliver Sacks's celibacy (none / 0) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 01:51:55 PM EST
    The Fox Effect continues (none / 0) (#29)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 31, 2015 at 02:23:41 PM EST
    Why Hasn't Black Lives Matter been labeled a Hate Group?

    During a segment on the Black Lives Matter movement on Monday morning, "Fox and Friends" host Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggested that the organization be labeled a hate group.

    Fox brought on conservative African-American writer Kevin Jackson to discuss the Saturday Black Lives Matter protest at the Minnesota State Fair and the Friday shooting of a Texas sheriff's deputy.

    "Kevin, why has the Black Lives Matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group?" Hasselbeck asked Jackson during the segment. "How much more has to go in this direction before someone actually labels it as such?"

    "Well they should do it, but unfortunately it's being financed by the leftists," Jackson said in response. "Ironically it's people that have nothing, really no concern at all about black lives."

    I don't know which is worse, Hasselbeck's question, or Jackson's answer.