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    A bunch of (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:37:20 PM EST
    poop just landed on Trey Gowdy's head and his "select" committee. Apparently Darryl Issa had all the answers to these supposedly "burning" questions (conservatives thought they were burning anyway lol) and cut the legs out from Gowdy. here

    That's awsum (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:42:37 PM EST
    A still-classified State Department e-mail says that one of the first responses from the White House to the Benghazi attack was to contact YouTube to warn of the "ramifications" of allowing the posting of an anti-Islamic video, according to Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    The memo suggests that even as the attack was still underway--and before the CIA began the process of compiling talking points on its analysis of what happened--the White House believed it was in retaliation for a controversial video.

    Where's Jim?

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    The facts are that (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:54:52 AM EST
    they KNEW that it wasn't the video based on the various inputs of their own people, CIA, etc.

    Yet they kept making the claim.

    They lied.

    Obama lied and Americans died.

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    Enough, already! (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:54:50 AM EST
    Your entire conspiracy-addled argument is premised on both long-debunked right-wing conjecture, and a highly selective cherry-picking and most willful misreading of the actual facts. The now very well-documented record simply does not sustain your absurdly silly contentions.

    Or, in plain and simple English, you guys are full of crap. Again. And just how full of crap again are you guys on the subject of Ben-GHAAAZIIIiiieee ... !!!?

    Well, there is so no phuquing there there that your good buddy Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee -- and with him in charge of that clown car, that's an oxymoron if ever there was one -- went so far as to first deliberately manufacture purportedly incriminating quotes, falsely attribute them to a classified State Dept. e-mail, and then spoon-feed them to that willing but dimwitted tool from the ABC News steno pool, Jonathan Karl.

    And it was the most delicious irony and Schadenfreude to see those two idiots incriminate only themselves, because they got caught in their lie when the actual State Dept. e-mail was immediately declassified and released.

    So, stop peeing on everyone's legs and trying to convince us it's raining.

    Okay, now it's your turn. Sputter and blubber away, and call me a commie libtard and a few other personal insults, and further add an "LOL" while you're at it.

    Gawd, but it's awfully hard to resist whacking a piñata, Jim, especially when you're just dangling there, begging to be smacked.

    Aloha, as in "Adios, muchacho."

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    No Donald (none / 0) (#101)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:29:23 PM EST
    Susan Rice went on the Sunday shows and said what she said long after they knew it wasn't the video.

    So I find that you, a very typical Leftie, are the one making things up.

    But then again,Obama lied and Americans died.

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    Speaking of lies (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:34:42 PM EST
    But then again,Obama lied and Americans died.

    Repetition doesn't make them true.

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    Truth is truth (1.00 / 1) (#178)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:52:28 PM EST
    And Obama and his troops lied and Americans died.

    Blood is on their hands and shame wrapped around their souls.

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    You HAD to ask ... n/t (none / 0) (#61)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:03:56 AM EST
    I did (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:44:26 AM EST
    :)

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    He needs (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:51:19 AM EST
    new talking points. I guess GOP command central hasn't figured out the new ones to hand out yet since he's still spouting the same stuff he was before even after the new information. LOL.

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    No Ga, the facts are there. (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:31:25 PM EST
    And they can't be denied.

    Obama lied and Americans died.

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    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:19:30 PM EST
    boy. You really need to read the link. Just because Bush lied and people died, thousands as a matter of fact, doesn't mean that Obama did. Your talking points just got smashed by the same idiot that was shopping the conspiracy theories but hey, whatever floats your boat.

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    Two words dear GA (none / 0) (#179)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:53:08 PM EST
    Susan Rice.

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    I will bet you 1 dollar (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 08:24:39 PM EST
    Did you ever see (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Zorba on Fri May 23, 2014 at 09:23:23 PM EST
    the YouTube from a couple of years ago of the baby laughing as his father ripped up a job rejection letter?


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    That's great (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 09:40:35 PM EST
    I can imagine scenarios where he might regret that though

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    Actual Climate Change News (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ragebot on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:16:20 PM EST
    Farmers Insurance is suing local govts for inaction in dealing with climate change.  Sovereign immunity is a big problem for Farmers but this case will be fun to watch.

    Farmers

    Now that will be interesting (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:55:20 AM EST
    Someone with the clout to hit them where it hurts.

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    Who is they??? (none / 0) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:44:25 PM EST
    And

    "1975 : Climatologists Blamed Record Tornadoes On Global Cooling"

    Link

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    Good question (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:41:05 PM EST
    Who is they???

    And

    "1975 : Climatologists Blamed Record Tornadoes On Global Cooling"

    href="The Junk Science Of Fox News' Favorite "Global Cooling" Myth ">The Junk Science Of Fox News' Favorite "Global Cooling" Myth.


    While some on Fox News have claimed that "global cooling was the consensus" in the 1970s to dismiss the current climate science consensus in its entirety, a realistic examination of the scientific literature shows the opposite is true. In 2006, the American Meteorological Society (AMS) took a look at published papers from the 1970s and found that a consensus around global warming -- not cooling -- was beginning to emerge. Of 71 peer reviewed studies on climate change from 1965 to 1979, only seven articles predicted global cooling -- less than ten percent -- while well over half (44 studies) predicted global warming. Even 40 years ago, predictions of global cooling were only on the fringe of climate science.

    Oops!

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    Yman the Parser (none / 0) (#182)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:57:13 PM EST
    You may have not noticed it in your haste to start what you love to do, parse, but the link goes to a COPY of the 1975 Newsweek article.

    Now Fox may be sharp but I don't think they traveled  back in time and inserted an article in Newsweek.

    lol

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    Here you go, Jim (none / 0) (#188)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:08:17 PM EST
    Let me help you out.

    But nice try at ignoring the fact that your claim about climatologists in the 70's is one more silly myth.

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    Saw this in another thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:17:45 PM EST
    Proud to have Farmers insurance

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    Dr Phil (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:16:39 PM EST
    STRIKES AGAIN

    In the new video, Robertson attempts to rationalize the national outrage his quotes caused, telling the congregation that people were upset because "instead of acknowledging their sin, like you had better do, they railed against me for giving them the truth about their sins. Don't deceive yourselves," he warns.

    He continues by paraphrasing a verse from Corinthians, saying, "Neither the sexually immoral, nor the idolators, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Those words are met with applause.

    Question, only male prostitutes?  Is that to make up for all the other misogynistic crap ya think?

    So it's probably over now? (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:03:07 AM EST
    Some members of my daughters church who are on my facebook saw my link to the Air Force reviewing it's no proselytizing regulation.  All I put on my post is "Are you kidding me?"

    What a fight we ended up having, they really ran her through the mill.

    First she told me something was wrong in this country when Tim Tebow gets fired for praying in public and Sam is a horrible player but he gets hired because he comes out of the closet.  This is not a football family, but Sam was an SEC player of the year.  I didn't know how she got her facts all screwed up at first, then realized that her church members who live in my neighborhood and are on my facebook got a hold of her.  I had to explain to her that Tebow did not lose his gig because he prayed, it was based on his athletic abilities.  And some worried that Sam had destroyed his once great draft chances by coming out, but he didn't though it may have affected when he was chosen.

    She said Tebow suffered negative comments directed at him, I agreed that he had but he also sold a lot of tickets and trinkets because he did pray on the field and he had sworn adoring fans for it too.  I told her if Tim Tebow wants a bunch of liberals to love him all he has to do is publicly say he doesn't believe being gay sends you to hell and he would be golden, look what it did for Pope Francis.

    Then she brought up those Poor Folks at Duck Dynasty getting such a hard time, but this town doubled down on DD when things went viral.  This town, this community, thankfully doesn't run this country or world though, there are other votes involved here.  And who isn't to say they didn't lose a bunch of redneck viewers when it was revealed that prior to DD reality TV they were all clean shaven college educated golfers?

    She says Christians aren't getting the same respect as everyone else is getting.  I said respecting Evangelical Christians seems to mean a bunch of other people have to end up disrespected and I won't do it and it isn't just me, a large swathe of this country is beginning to be done with this hatefulness in the name of religion and all these God beliefs.

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    The Christian persecution complex (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:23:41 AM EST
    Like O'Reilly's/Fox's "War on Christmas".

    So ridiculous.

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    It is a little bizarre how they reference (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:52:10 AM EST
    Through such a tiny lens, they have to leave out about 80% of the facts just to get there.

    Her assistant pastor lives in my neighborhood, at first he thought he would save both my husband and I so we had to tell him we were saved in our teens :). Already happened :). He's a nice guy, retired out of the military, so I did eventually accept his friend request.  Why be afraid of him?  I know what I think and believe and I know why, I'm not unsure about any of that.  But my daughter told me a few months back that under the influence of wine either he or his wife said that asst pastor is afraid of me after seeing my facebook :)

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    I can so relate (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:52:55 AM EST
    When I came here I was like the new meat.  Eeeeeeverybody wanted to save me.  Given my well known history I was like the Mt Everest of saving or something I guess.  Different people required differing amounts of bluntness to end it.  Of which I'm sure you know I am capable.  I didn't have to be downright rude to mant times but it did happen.   My brother was I guess the last to give up.  THAT required some very frank exchanges that clearly shocked him.  Clearly no one had ever been quite that honest about the utter futility of continuing.
    He was just going to take me to church.  If I wanted it or not.  Like an intervention.  Like I was Damien and getting me on holy ground would instantly solve the problem.

    Anyway.  I didn't go. And eventually they all just shut up about it.  I think many, most really, were very uncomfortable with having their worldview challenged.  Obviously not what were used to.  Some even seemed frightened.  Like even hearing an opposing view might infect them with thinking and reason.  And clearly that wouldn't do.  Most seemed like frightened people.  As if they saw the secular world of reason and science closing in on them and threatening their basis and reason for existence.  

    I liked that part.  It is.

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    I'm with you... but don't share my opinions (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:52:00 PM EST
    about religion here.  We've already got the other major minefield (and destroyer) of blogdom, politics.

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    A lot of (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:30:55 AM EST
    Mainline Christians are sick of these nuts and even some evangelical churches are realizing the gig is up on this stuff.

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    Yes, we talked about (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:36:18 AM EST
    Different Christians, and supporting a healthier spirituality.  She forgets that when I was a teenager I was involved in some of this early Evangelical faith and went to a private Christian H.S.  I asked her if what some were feeling were not their trials and tribulations that they were supposed to learn from.  I told her as I recall Jesus did not say this would all be a cake walk and that there was nothing to learn.  I recall he supposedly said the exact opposite :)


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    Thought you might appreciate this (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:03:21 AM EST
    I follow the Joseph Campbell center on FaceBook and it popped up --

    Ancient warrior myths help veterans fight PTSD

    A soldier returns home from battle but has brought the war with him. He stares off into the distance, unable to take joy in his family or friends, still hyperalert to threats he no longer faces. Unable to heal his invisible wound, he takes his own life.
    This isn't a tragic news story about a veteran coming back from Afghanistan with a case of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). It's a summary of the Greek play "Ajax," which is more than 2,000 years old.

    The Greeks didn't call it PTSD. But they understood that war brought trauma (from the Greek word meaning "wound"), which left some warriors with a "thousand-yard stare," a phrase used by Sophocles, long after they returned home. Advocates and the military itself have found that ancient myths and stories like "Ajax" can help veterans and active-duty soldiers cope with the overwhelming psychological stress that the country's longest war has put on its relatively small volunteer force.

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    The first place the military screws up EVERY time (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:01:10 AM EST
    Is the denial that the same people will come home.  When the same people don't come home, the first " unruly" are punished, they go home and destroy themselves and others.  Then the suffering families and communities can't be ignored so the military admits ONCE AGAIN that shell shock or PTSD or whatever buzz word they want to throw at it came home, and denying it made it worse.  That's called something like second wounding or something.

    So now they want to help these individuals, these people they sent on four tours, but a lot of them feel like there is no place for them now.  The rest of America went shopping, and they did something completely bizarre that changes your brain in different ways from the rest of us.

    The same people will not come home, embrace that.  It will help them heal.  They will always be somewhat hyper vigilant, but so are kids growing up around American violence.

    And for those with full blown PTSD, it is going to take more than one 60 day stint in a treatment facility where the only thing the military will do is get them stable-ish on meds.  They will need to work on their triggers after that, they need serious one on one help.  They NEED what others call therapy.  I don't know if they will need it for life.  Who knows the answer to that?  They need it for however long they need it!

    A soldier we know who is full blown is now receiving his disability benefits, but he is acting very erratic and argumentative in public and sadly friends are not understanding.  Just sending him some place for 60 days, medicating him, and then paying his bills isn't going to fix him.  They feel like he isn't grateful.  I feel like he probably doesn't feel a whole lot of anything that has to do with present tense.

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    Oh Dear Capt Howdy (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:24:00 PM EST
    Josh and I were watching a recording of Colbert and this commercial with Ron Reagan Jr came on just now.  I had to post it.

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    I'm so in (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:04:36 PM EST
    Two funny things about that passage (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:21:59 AM EST
    Thee is a great deal of disagreement about who actually wrote the three Pastoral Epistles -- 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy and Titus.  Some believe they were written by Paul while others believe they were written @50-100 years after Paul's death.

    The word used by Paul or the unknown author was a Greek word - "Arsenokoitai" ("Arsen" - man and "koitai" - beds).  It was a new word and there is no record of it being used prior to Paul/the forger.  When it was translated into English, it became the phrase "abusers of themselves with mankind".  While conservatives like to interpret the phrase as referring to homosexuals, there was already a Greek word referring to sex between men ("paiderasste"), so there would be no need for an entirely new word.  Others have interpreted the word to refer to either - homosexual offenders (rapists, pedophiles, etc.), male prostitutes, pimps, or masturbators.

    Wonder how Phil would feel about that last translation ...  


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    The Didache (none / 0) (#51)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:43:32 AM EST
    is deemed authentic by most, and its prohibitions are fairly clear.

    I appreciate the effort to look at the sayings attributed to Jesus and confine the Christian tradition to just that.  That approach does get rid of the anti-gay sayings.

    But the early Christians, at least according to the Didache, were very Pauline.

    The trend appears to be to just toss the whole thing over the side, rather than just the Pauline letters or teachings....

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    I was talking about the (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:57:17 AM EST
    The Didache is deemed authentic by most, and its prohibitions are fairly clear.

    ... the three Pastoral Epistles, not the Didache.  I'm not sure who "most" are, but many (if not "most") theologians don't believe they were written by Paul.  At the very least, it is a greatly contested issue among religious scholars:

    On the basis of their language, content, and other factors, the pastoral epistles are today widely regarded as not having been written by Paul, but after his death. (Although the Second Epistle to Timothy is sometimes thought to be more likely than the other two to have been written by Paul.) Beginning with Friedrich Schleiermacher in a letter published in 1807, biblical textual critics and scholars examining the texts fail to find their vocabulary and literary style similar to Paul's unquestionably authentic letters, fail to fit the life situation of Paul in the epistles into Paul's reconstructed biography, and identify principles of the emerged Christian church rather than those of the apostolic generation.


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    You missed my point (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:00:12 PM EST
    Not in the least (none / 0) (#119)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:43:38 PM EST
    You decided to challenge my points by claiming they were wrong.  I decided to point out that your claims were wrong.

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    I made a different, broader point (none / 0) (#148)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:54:48 PM EST
    You made a very well known point about the provenance of three Pauline letters that is widely accepted by many scholars.   I did not disagree.

    My point was about early Christian belief.

    Your point about the provenance of the letters in question is not really relevant to what early Christians believed.

    I guess you can create a zero sum debate out of that....But that is not a very interesting  discussion.  

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    My point ... (none / 0) (#154)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:00:20 PM EST
    Your point about the provenance of the letters in question is not really relevant to what early Christians believed.

    I guess you can create a zero sum debate out of that....But that is not a very interesting  discussion.  

    ... about the the Pastoral Epistles was directly relevant (and responsive) to the issue being discussed - Robertson's paraphrasing and interpretation of the verse from Corinthians.

    I have no idea what your point was ... or what you're claiming it is now.

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    Come again? (none / 0) (#160)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:12:32 PM EST
    Robertson was talking about a snippet from Corinthians, you go on and on about three other letters?

    In any event, does it really make a difference to you or to believing Christians who wrote Corinthians?

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    I'll make it easy for you (none / 0) (#180)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:55:59 PM EST
    CaptHowdy was discussing Robertson's paraphrasing of Corinthians and, in particular, Robertson's condemnation of "male prostitutes".  I pointed out two things about the passage: 1) the original word word in question ("Arsenokoitai") was a coined by the author of Corinthians and the Pastoral Epistles has been interpreted in several ways - to mean everything from Robertson's choice (male prostitute) to pimp, homosexual criminals or mast*rbators, and 2) the authorship of the word was in doubt.  You responded by saying "The Didache is deemed authentic by most", and "its prohibitions are fairly clear," both of which are either: 1) an attempt to challenge my points or 2) completely irrelevant to my points.  

    You choose.

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    Corinthians (none / 0) (#168)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:21:41 PM EST
    There is near unanimous agreement among scholars that both Corinthians were written by Paul.

    Why do you raise the other three letters?

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    Because that's where the term ... (none / 0) (#184)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:03:22 PM EST
    .. in question ("Arsenokoitai") was supposedly coined by Paul - or someone else who decided to make up an entirely new word for which several words already existed.

    What is it about prohibitions in the Didache that makes them "fairly clear", particularly given its translation from other languages to Greek and then to English.  And who are the "most" that deem it authentic?  is that supposed to sound more convincing than "Some say ... some believe ... etc.?"


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    BTW - "Fairly clear" (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:39:52 AM EST
    The Didache is deemed authentic by most, and its prohibitions are fairly clear.

    The prohibitions in the Didache "fairly clear"?  It's been a long time since I've looked at the issue (undergrad comparative religion), but I know there is wide disagreement over interpretations of the Didache.  There are entire texts devoted to the issue of its interpretation.  He//, pick the most simple statute you want and it would be easy to come up with at least a dozen different interpretations on the conduct that is being prohibited.  Now pick a statute written in Greek (translating original sources from Aramaic, etc.), then translate it to English.

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    MKS and Yman I try to understand you (none / 0) (#71)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 11:34:51 AM EST
    in this area, but I am not a biblical scholar. I also try to understand this biblical scholar - with difficulty. But he is an old Epen-pal from the days when I was searching for more info on Straus's teachings on Plato. He was a website and I would very much be interested in your take on his site. Vidar

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    I'm not even CLOSE ... (none / 0) (#74)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:00:34 PM EST
    ... to anything resembling a biblical scholar.  I do remember (from my undergrad days) my professor discussing the many issues inherent in the translation and interpretation of religious/philosophical works, including the bible.

    Definitely not my area, though ...

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    And yet you clearly know way more about the bible (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:10:19 PM EST
    That lots of people who live by it.  That is one of the thing I find so unbelievable.  When you start talking to people you find out they and often completely clueless about the history of the Bible.  And beyond completely clueless about anything that came before it.  Sometimes THAT anything came before it.  As as been said you can't have a reasonable conversation with people for whom ignorance is a virtue to be protected.

    How the hell can you live your life by something you know so little about.  It boggles my mind. Seriously.  I find it frightening.  

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    How Can You Live Your Life.. (none / 0) (#133)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:24:51 PM EST
    Knowledge of facts, when it comes to spiritual, emotional, and feeling things like faith, are not necessary, imo.

    Many who are loaded up with intellectual knowledge in things that require feeling often have not a clue, imo.

    So, even though I think religion is a bunch of bunk, I would not use a religious persons knowledge or lack thereof  as a barometer of the depth or sincerity of their faith.

    IOW someone can quote every line of the bible backwards and forwards, profess to be deeply religious, yet have nothing in the bank spiritually..  the opposite is true as well, imo

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    Not a barometer of their faith (none / 0) (#136)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:33:18 PM EST
    So, even though I think religion is a bunch of bunk, I would not use a religious persons knowledge or lack thereof  as a barometer of the depth or sincerity of their faith.

    But a barometer of how seriously their arguments should be taken?

    Absolutely.


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    In My Experience (none / 0) (#138)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:37:48 PM EST
    People who are deeply spiritual do not get into arguments about their faith.

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    "Arguments" (none / 0) (#140)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:46:31 PM EST
    Positions, claims, assertions, professions, contentions, etc.

    In my experience, people who are deeply spiritual discuss their religious beliefs regularly.  If a self-professed Christian does this while being completely clueless about the bible or the formation of Christianity - simply because they choose to have "faith" - their arguments shouldn't be taken seriously.

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    OK (none / 0) (#145)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:52:25 PM EST
    I am not around those types of spiritual people, so I have little experience in that area.

    The people I know or have experienced who appear to be deeply spiritual do not get into arguments about anything. They are full of love, and smile a lot.

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    Oh man (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:53:32 PM EST
    We are soooooo not talking about the same peopke

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    "Arguments" (none / 0) (#164)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:16:02 PM EST
    Again - making a religious "argument" (point, contention, claim, position, etc.) - does not mean "getting into an argument".

    People who are deeply religious can smile and be full of love while taking a position on an issue from a religious perspective based on their beliefs.  If they taking that position on faith alone and are ignorant about their own religion, I wouldn't give their points any weight.  Depending on the issue and their willingness to be consistent about their religion, I might not give it any weight even if they are very knowledgeable about their religion.

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    Then you haven't met my brother (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:46:34 PM EST
    He is the one person I know of around here who actually DOES know about the history of the book.  Quite the bible scholar he.  Which also means I am the only person, certainly the only blasphemer, he knows who can go toe to toe with him.

    We have actually had some interesting conversations.  

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    Ah, but does he know (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:08:31 PM EST
    Hebrew, New Testament Greek, and Aramaic?
    Because unless you can read the Bible in its original languages, you can't be the ultimate Bible scholar.
    None of the English translations ever quite get it exactly right, although some are much better than others.  Many of the nuances are lost.

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    I'm gonna say no (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:16:07 PM EST
    Someone once told me that (none / 0) (#166)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:19:20 PM EST
    the word "virgin" used in the bible originally could be translated as "unwed".

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    I certainly don't read Hebrew, (none / 0) (#170)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:40:46 PM EST
    where the original prophecy was made (in Isaiah), but I've been told that, too.  The way I heard it, it was "an unmarried woman."
    Of course, you also have to realize, in those days, if you were an unwed woman, you were presumed to be a virgin.   ;-)

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    Did you know that (none / 0) (#171)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:42:46 PM EST
    there were three writers of Isiah? I did not know that until recently.

    And fundamentalists like Robertson love Paul. They also conveniently forget that Paul also said slave obey your masters and wives submit to your husband etc.

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    That's been the general consensus, (none / 0) (#181)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:56:02 PM EST
    for some time, although not everyone agrees.  They're still going back and forth about this.
    Of course, those who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true think that there was only one, but I discount them.   ;-)

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    Aramaic (none / 0) (#173)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:43:13 PM EST
    That would do the trick...  difficult language I hear.

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    It's a Semitic language, (none / 0) (#186)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:05:37 PM EST
    related to Hebrew and Arabic.
    You have to learn a whole new "alphabet" to read it.
    There are still various small communities of people around the world that speak (and read) dialects of Aramaic.
    I read (modern) Greek; I grew up bilingual in Greek and English and went to Greek School as a child.  Greek has a different alphabet, but at least some of the letters are similar to letters in the Roman alphabet.


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    Sounds Fun (none / 0) (#142)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:50:12 PM EST
    A nice way to bond, I guess... shared interest from different sides of the coin.. probably in more ways than one... hahaaha

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    Fun is not a word I would use (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:52:35 PM EST
    But interesting

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:51:51 PM EST
    IMO a person can certainly live a "Christian" life and know nothing about the bible.  This is not the object of my contempt.  I am talking about people who rant and rave and toss off damnation like it was mardi gras beads based on a book they know squat about.

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    Does Not Sound Spiritual to Me (none / 0) (#149)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:55:48 PM EST
    I would think that the best argument, if you would want to call it that is to embody the principals and set an example that you would want to follow, rather than explain a bunch of empty words.

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    When Mahatma (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:10:45 PM EST
    Gandhi was asked what he thought of Christianity, he said,
    "I like your Christ.  I do not like your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

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    I call (none / 0) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:46:37 PM EST
    those people the fear based Christians not the love based Christians or the service based Christians. Honestly I think they think that Christianity is such an awful religion that the only way to get people to obey it is to use fear as the motivator.

    Well, I would think they would have to know something to live a Christian life but they certainly wouldn't have to be scholar by any means. You probably would be just fine for the most part following the ten commandments though that's old testament.

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    Clearly many agree (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:33:49 PM EST
    Personally if I was going to base my life on a book I WOULD know everything knowable about that book.

    But that's just me and I am a Gnostic.  

    adjective
    1.
    of or relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.

    NOT an agnostic

    noun
    1.
    a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

    And as the Druids found out Gnosticism is the antithesis of Faith.

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    Another question... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by lentinel on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:51:58 AM EST
    Are male prostitutes OK if they are selling their services to ladies?

    I notice that fornicators and adulterers are also on the no-go-to- heaven list. ("Fornicators" was left off Ducky's "paraphrase"). That's a mess of people right there. Drunks? Greedy? Wholly Hat Hannah! All of Wall Street is packed in the back of that bus to he!l. Ring the Bell: Drunken, greedy fornicators from Goldman/Sachs arriving on track seven.

    What occurs to me is that we are at the mercy of translators - some of whom have an agenda. That would not be unprecedented methinks.

    With things that matter to me - when I am reading something that is a second or third hand account - I have become used to reading between the lines... By which I mean - I can feel things that feel real to me, and other things that feel filtered through the ego of the translator or writer.

    I even have several recorded interviews with people i admire - they are recorded mind you - you can hear the person speaking - and even the transcribers will mess with it or not be diligent enough to transcribe it accurately.

    I approach the Bible in the same way:
    There are things in it that are meaningful to me. Philosophies that make me think.
    There are other things that just read like fables, science fiction, or agenda-driven polemics aimed to appeal to or placate a particular audience.

    Duck-boy reads like just another charlatan in an endlessly long line of charlatans.


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    My sister (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:02:01 AM EST
    Who is slightly less insane than most in my family was telling me the other day about something she had found that she really liked. It was called "The Everyday Bible" or some bullsh!t.  The idea is it's the bible but "written in language everyday people (read ignorant hicks) can understand".
    Well I guess you can imagine what a ridiculous travesty it is.  Basicly it's like a filter that removes all the poetry and just leaves the hate and judgement.
    The conversation began with us discussing how people selectively read the bible to suite their prejudices and ended with me rolling my eyes and changing the subject.

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    D'accord. (none / 0) (#90)
    by lentinel on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:38:12 PM EST
    The conversation began with us discussing how people selectively read the bible to suite their prejudices and ended with me rolling my eyes and changing the subject.

    You chose the best, and maybe only course of action.

    Oooof.

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    If nothing else i have learned (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:11:44 PM EST
    To see when effort is wasted

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    Malakoi/Arsenokotai (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 11:05:06 AM EST
    Most likely Robertson likes female prostitutes, ergo the passage he chose does not refer to them. And then there is the fact that in Robertson's mind (if you want to call it that) prostitutes are women by definition, which is why you need the qualifier  "male". IOW using the term "male prostitutes" reveals Robertson's sexism.
    The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

    So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

    The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

    "In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

    The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

    "It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

    link

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    Answer (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:22:18 AM EST
    No, it is just Phil's statement of his belief. He may have missed a female prostitute but he also left out lesbian. You may make of that whatever you think it means.

    Capt, you can't demand diversity and right to say what you want while trying to deny Phil's.

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    Who's doing THAT?!? (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:37:00 AM EST
    Capt, you can't demand diversity and right to say what you want while trying to deny Phil's.

    Answer - absolutely no one.

    Phil can say whatever he wants - but a TV personality (or anyone, for that matter) has to be prepared to bear the consequences of their speech, including by others who are using their own speech to criticize them.  It's not a one way street.

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    Of course our good Capt (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:16:15 PM EST
    is pushing back.

    If he wasn't then he would just ignore.

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    "Pushing back" ... (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:45:49 PM EST
    ... is not censorship.  It's exercising one's own right to speech and holding others accountable for theirs.  Funny how conservatives - despite their claims to the contrary - never appreciate personal responsibility.

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    The only "pushing back" on him (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:01:48 PM EST
    I would like to do is in front of a moon door.
    (Thronie in joke)

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    Make him "fly" (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    Phil makes Lysa look sane.

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    I guess you missed the part (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:53:55 AM EST
    That said he was quoting Corinthians 6:9

    New Living Bible version

    Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

    Now I grant you that is not what the actual bible says--

    ...On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren. 9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God....

    But it's what HIS bible says.   Which was part of this discussion.

    And I really wish people like you would understand that people like me have NO INTEREST WHATEVER in silencing this fool.
    I want him to have the biggest megaphone possible.  He has done more to promote gay rights than I could ever hope to.

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    You protest too much (none / 0) (#112)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:23:48 PM EST
    And what you are seeking to do is not allow him to speak.

    When the remarks are analyzed, commented on and amplified and then used to destroy someone for "speaking their mind" then we have the government who has condemned such remarks by supporting diversity and a host of other "rights" effectively instituting censorship. How? By insuring that we all must always carefully consider what we say PRIOR to speaking/writing and then using words that will not offend anyone.

    That's censorship.

    Now you may claim that this is helpful. Society is merely expressing its rules and enforcing them. But don't go around bragging about how we have free speech.

    We don't. And you are not supporting it.

    As for your Cubanish comment, I agree:

    To paraphrase Mark Cuban: I don't want stupid people shut up. I want them to talk so I can know who's stupid.
     

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    You are a fountain head (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:30:22 PM EST
    Of bullsh!t.   It's really quite something.   You blather about why "he left out women" I show you he didn't leave out anything so just blather some more.  I wonder if you ever read what you post.

    Blather on. Please.

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    I see that agreeing with you about (none / 0) (#183)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:02:54 PM EST
    anything is a waste.

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    WOW (5.00 / 4) (#116)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:36:14 PM EST
    When the remarks are analyzed, commented on and amplified and then used to destroy someone for "speaking their mind" then we have the government who has condemned such remarks by supporting diversity and a host of other "rights" effectively instituting censorship.

    must be something the government is putting in your water supply because you are sounding more paranoid here, than your usual schtick about muslims coming to get you.

    How? By insuring that we all must always carefully consider what we say PRIOR to speaking/writing and then using words that will not offend anyone.

    Obviously the big government insurance you speak of is having little effect on you and those who share your views. Must because Obama has failed again, this time in his censorship program.


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    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:26:08 PM EST
    God forbid we should consider what we say before speaking.  

    That was never what the founders intended.

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    I Googled (none / 0) (#185)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:05:03 PM EST
    Phil Homosexual and up popped 944,000 responses.

    How's that for "commented on and amplified?"

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    I think I know him (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:12:12 PM EST
    And the Winner Is.... (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:27:11 PM EST
    About 30,600,000 results (0.40 seconds) Phil Homosexual

    About 15,400,000 results (0.32 seconds) Homosexual

    About 85,200,000 results (0.43 seconds)  Phil

    About 98,100,000 results (0.39 seconds) Phil Robertson

    About 30,700,000 results (0.41 seconds) Robertson

    About 1,460,000 results (0.29 seconds) Amplified Phil

    About 18,800,000 results (0.42 seconds) amplified Robertson

    About 14,300,000 results (0.42 seconds)   Amplified

    About 973,000 results (0.30 seconds)  commented on and amplified

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    It is, absolutely and without a doubt, (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Anne on Sat May 24, 2014 at 11:44:58 AM EST
    the most gorgeous day - with several more just like it predicted for the rest of the holiday weekend here.

    I hope the same is true where you live.  And I hope, if it is, you can tear yourself away from frustrating conversations with people for whom your words will never, ever make a difference, and feel the warm sun on your face, the gentle breeze on your skin, smell the perfume of honeysuckle, fresh-cut grass, and wild roses wafting through the air, get rich, dark earth under your nails in the garden, and just live.  Just let it go for an hour or an afternoon.  Watch the bees moving from flower to flower.  Listen to the birds.  If you just have to argue, make it about what shapes the clouds are forming, or whether to have a hamburger AND a hot dog tonight.

    Go have some fun - real fun.  Go fishing, or take a hike or take the dog for a walk.  Go walk the edges of the lake or the pond or the river and see if the frogs have laid their eggs yet.  Tell your kids stories about tadpoles and salamanders.  Muse about when you'll see the first fireflies this year.

    Have a s'more - or three!

    Tear Yourself Away? (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 11:53:27 AM EST
    Well Anne, this is my regular life:
    ....feel the warm sun on your face, the gentle breeze on your skin, smell the perfume of honeysuckle, fresh-cut grass, and wild roses wafting through the air, get rich, dark earth under your nails in the garden, and just live.  Just let it go for an hour or an afternoon.  Watch the bees moving from flower to flower.  Listen to the birds....

    ....Go have some fun - real fun.  Go fishing, or take a hike or take the dog for a walk.  Go walk the edges of the lake or the pond or the river and see if the frogs have laid their eggs yet.  Tell your kids stories about tadpoles and salamanders.  Muse about when you'll see the first fireflies this year.

    Have a s'more - or three!

    I come to TL to get away from all the pleasure... hahahaha

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    I wish I could tear myself (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:22:44 PM EST
    away to your regular life!

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    State of Mind (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:36:43 PM EST
    So true. Was there really 10 " of (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:43:15 PM EST
    snow in Manhattan on Feb. 13?  I was there!  See Citi Bike op ed in NYT.

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    Oh. The day of the impassable (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:49:27 PM EST
    puddles and Gerald Finley singing "Winterreise."

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    It just got jot and humid here (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:08:45 PM EST
    Had the AC on the last couple of days for the first time this year.  Can't leave the huskies outside to long.  How miserable must it be in a double thick fur coat

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    Hmmmm (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:21:01 PM EST
    Ever think of getting a walk in refrigerator installed?

    I guess AC is basically a warmer version, in a way...  but the huskies would love a walk in fridge, no? particularly the ready access to all the human food..

    Bottom line... Nature can be inhospitable, even moreso than TL... hahaha

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    Yes, here too. Upper 90s yesterday (5.00 / 5) (#80)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:29:39 PM EST
    Plus humidity. And bugs. I just posted my annual Farewell to the Outdoors on my Facebook page. Some years I write a break-up letter to the outdoors as a boyfriend. This year, a poem:

    It's 10 am
    It's 82
    Farewell Outdoors
    Farewell to you

    I've got movies and books
    And no place to be
    Even the dogs
    Prefer the AC

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    A/C person is coming Mon. (none / 0) (#85)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:45:22 PM EST
    Of course, it would be for Das Beckstein, not me. Plus, high temp today:70 degrees.

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    ha, the things we do for the ones we love ;-) (none / 0) (#93)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:52:16 PM EST
    I fear we have said goodbye to even lows of 70 for the season.

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    Damp Chaser (none / 0) (#95)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:00:02 PM EST
    Not sure why you are not getting a damp chaser system installed... best way to keep a piano stable, unless you have complete 360 days of the year room control of humidity.

    Temperature variance is not a problem for pianos, seasonal changes in humidity is a big problem....  at least in the northwest it is..

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    There is an older model (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:31:33 PM EST
    Damp chaser on the piano. Not sure if it works.  Tech. says don't probably need it. The A/C will make me a much better pianist.

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    Does Your Tech Install and Maintain Dampp Chaser?` (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:38:33 PM EST
    Would be a good question to ask, imo.  

    And it is easy to determine if you need one.. if your humidity level fluctuates significantly between winter and summer, it is probably a good idea to service your Dampp chaser and get it running..

    It helps keep the piano in tune but most of all keeps the soundboard from big expansions and contractions due to seasonal and daily humidity changes.

    And yes, AC will make you a better pianist, it is a proven fact..

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    Yes he does. (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:47:42 PM EST
    OK (none / 0) (#108)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:06:17 PM EST
    you must have a relatively stable year round humidity..  nyc goes from 10 to 90..  very bad for pianos and other instruments made of wood..

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    When they say it's humid here (none / 0) (#117)
    by nycstray on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:36:30 PM EST
    I just laugh :) Yes, we get some humidity, but we have pretty much year round perfect hair weather (unless it's raining) ;)

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    Our Yorkie (none / 0) (#110)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:13:24 PM EST
    lays on top of an AC vent.

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    Um, HOT and humid (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:09:07 PM EST
    I love (none / 0) (#91)
    by lentinel on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:39:26 PM EST
    fun.

    Fun is my favorite thing!

    Have a glorious weekend!

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    State of Mind (none / 0) (#92)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:49:57 PM EST
    And then there is virtual reality which is being proposed for chickens that we eat. They get to enjoy the "tree range" life virtually, without any of the drawbacks.

    free range living can be rather dangerous and stressful for chickens. "There's research suggesting that free range chickens show all the signs of having a stressful life," Stewart says. "They have more broken bones, they get broken legs, etc., whereas birds raised in little boxes don't have those indicators of stress. And who's to say which is better?"

    Professor of animal welfare, Christine Nicol, said enriched cages performed better on animal welfare measures than some free-range farms.

    "I'm not saying it's great, there's still a lot of room for improvement but the birds have space, they've got a little perch, they've got things they can scratch on," she said.

    "And the welfare measures that we take show that these birds had fewer fractures, they had much lower mortality, they had lower stress levels, they did less damaging pecking to each other than the birds on the smaller free-range systems."


    bbd

    and getting back to Anne's entreaty, why not complete virtual reality for humans:

    Reality is costly in other ways as well. It's unpleasant and dangerous. Just going to work can be a trial, what with traffic and fickle public transport. You have to take all the bad sights and smells with the good ones. And at any moment you could be hit by a truck. One sympathises with the chickens; free-range life is stressful.

    Enter virtual reality: a means to instantly interact, albeit in a not-especially real way, with anyone else who happens to be on the platform. At very low cost. The technology will initially appeal to those underserved by reality....

    ...those who can't afford or who are otherwise unable to interact in person with distant friends: teenagers, for instance, who can't readily hop a flight to another city, or households for whom international travel is financially out of reach. And it may include those whose reality may not be particularly appealing....

    Once in, people may notice all sorts of other advantages. Children sent to virtual reality schools are less likely to come to harm at or on the way to school than kids stuck in old-fashioned reality. That's a powerful incentive for worried parents to get their children inside a VR headset. So is the fact that taking the kid from school to piano lessons to the movies with a friend involves considerably less driving in virtual reality than in reality. But we're thinking too small. What about the fact that one's hair is always perfect in VR? That one is always fit and well-dressed (unless one wishes to look unfit and rumpled). Virtual sex, should they perfect it, is unlikely to end in unwanted pregnancy. And work conferences could take place on the moon or under the sea or on a pirate ship or in whichever totally awesome setting you chose.

    economist

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    It is simply beautiful in Portland (none / 0) (#129)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:18:34 PM EST
    Everything is so lush. Everywhere is green and the roses are blooming, rhododendrons, dogwoods , and azaleas and on and on.

    I got to drive thru that beauty to go to the mall to get there before 10 since my phone broke. That is the only reason I go to the mall. I finally got an apple appointment at 1:00 and spent time mall walking which was really painful since I need to, yet again, get a hip replacement and my last steroid shot is wearing off. I was glad to tear myself away from that, get a few errands done and finally get home where I can say down on a couch for a few minutes and play games on my phone.

    Tomorrow is my doing pot(s) on my deck day. Should be fun but also sort of painful.

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    It's nicely green here too. (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:22:39 PM EST
    Though most of the blooming is over at my house at least.  And it only just got hot.  It's been lovely.   Mid 70s day mid 50s nights.  
    Couldn't last forever.  The steam has arrived

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    Hip Replacement (none / 0) (#135)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:32:57 PM EST
    A friend is getting both hips replaced at the moment... in a conversation with some friends I discovered that there is an alternative to that painful and not 100% process..

    Someone mentioned that his friend got stem cell replacement in his hips.... super expensive as it was not covered by insurance because it was "experimental" but painless and after two years his hips are perfect.. the missing cartilage or whatever was wrong grew back to normal.

    Have you looked into that option?

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    I got my first hip replacement in 2011 (none / 0) (#143)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:51:27 PM EST
    and repeatedly asked my doctor about stem cell therapies. At that time there was none available. Where did your friend get the stem cell replacement in his hip? I can't seem to find anywhere it is done and I would definitely consider it. Hip replacement surgery was not easy to go thru but it is a well worn surgery and after a couple of months I was fully mobile and at about 5-6 months I felt just great. I'm so busy these days I'll have to schedule surgery for just after my next show and before I need to travel for the next. Recovery will be on a deadline. Oh well, I know about deadlines.

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    Don't Know (none / 0) (#153)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:58:56 PM EST
    I will find out where his friend got the work done..  but google turns up this.

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    Oh thank you! (none / 0) (#163)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:14:18 PM EST
    My network is OHSU.

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    What's Cooking? (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:17:07 PM EST
    Anyone cooking over the weekend?

    I am making Duck Liver Flans With Caramel Vinegar Sauce,  for now, and for later (needs to rest a couple of days) Compote of Rabbit with Prunes

    I'm making a dinner for a couple of friends Sunday (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:40:04 PM EST
    My new sous vide unit just arrived! Let the experiments begin! I'm going to make a salad with - just a little of each - baby lettuces, endive, radish, radish sprouts, sous vide baby zucchini, asparagus tips,  baby cipollini and red onions. Also a slice of  avocado a blue berry or two, tiny mango pieces and roasted hazelnuts. I have a new nice olive oil I want to try out and have a new passion flower vinegar. I'll make each salad - it's not a tossed salad.

    I bought a nice chardonnay and my friends will bring a nice red.

    I'll dry brine a NY cut steak and then sous vide cook it and then crust it up. Or I may freeze it for an hour and then sear it and then sous vide cook it. I'll lightly saute some assorted wild mushrooms in bacon butter then top the steaks with that, deglaze the pan with a little red wine and add that too.

    Dessert is a raspberry gelato I bought. It's perfect as it is.

    Critiques? Suggestions?

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    That sounds awesome (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:56:05 PM EST
    I imagine you've already researched the process, but here's a great primer on sous vide steaks.  A great site for anyone who appreciates cooking.

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    Oh and I bought a very nice (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:56:56 PM EST
    liver pate for pre-dinner finger food. I'll serve that an a rich cheese (I know they will like that) a few varied olives and pickles.

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    Yer killin me (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:00:55 PM EST
    Époisses? (none / 0) (#175)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:47:20 PM EST
    Yum... from a french word that means totally worth the effort.

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    You probably don't want to rush out (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:03:51 PM EST
    And look for tiny baby potatoes or C-grade potatoes, but if you do, there was a recipe in last weeks New York Times Magazine for mock steak frites, cooked in a hot oven.
    Maybe next time you make steaks.........
    I've served steaks before with maître d'hôtel butter.  It's very good, but I love the idea of wild mushrooms and bacon butter for the steaks.

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    I love potatoes (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:13:28 PM EST
    and will try that recipe another time. One of my friends is "low carb" and won't eat potatoes. She is definitely not vegan tho.

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    Your salad sounds awesome, too (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by Zorba on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:43:04 PM EST
    It's going to be a great dinner!  Have fun!

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    Yum (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:38:21 PM EST
    Did you get a sous vide supreme? If not what did you get?

    I have both the sous vide supreme and the poly science device..

    Salad sounds divine.. I bet it will be gorgeous individually plated with those colors and bits of veggies, fruits and nuts.

    For cooking sous-vide veggies, I would separate the veggies out, because cooking times vary depending on density. Vegetables need a much higher cooking temp than proteins to break down, at least 183ºF.  

    Carrots are my favorite as they come out super carroty tasting. None of the flavor is lost from steaming boiling or roasting. This recipe is really good.

    To tell you the truth, and I love cooking sous-vide.. I think the best way to cook a steak is in the pan ala Ducasse. After trying this method, I have never varied, my mouth waters just typing about it.

    but since you just got the machine I am sure you want to get it going...  serious eats has some good tips..  temp, and aromatics, and pre-sear or not.. (not)..

    For searing, after sous-vide, you need a really hot surface because you only want to brown the outside and not raise the internal temp of the meat which would cook it more, but you seem to be on that as you were going to freeze..

    I do not think that freezing and searing before cooking will get you any better results than searing after sous-vide cooking. But experimentation is always a good thing to do. I have read about this freezing method but, it is not sous-vide. Again, the Ducasse method is soooooooooo good (major mallard reaction) that I only cook steak that way.

    How are you dry brining the steak?

    The bacon mushroom butter sauce sounds super yummy... wine deglazing a must imo.

    I brown my sou-vide meats (ribs, pork belly, lamb.. ) with a blow torch.. are you pan searing... barbecue at 700ºF seems best because it is so hot. A infra red instant read thermometer would be handy for pan searing.. (and other things)

    Yum for the raspberry gelato,, Nice way to end the meal...I usually have some chocolate around as I love raspberry and chocolate together..  (I loooooove sacher torte)

    I think your sister is going to be jealous, or at least you are going to get major points for this dinner.

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    I hope my sister is jealous! (5.00 / 3) (#193)
    by ZtoA on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:33:07 PM EST
    She is one of the guests. But our styles are different and it is a very friendly rivalry resulting in lots of good meals.

    I'm not sure yet how I'm going to dry brine the steak. Looking up recipes still. Any ideas? I playn to sear the cooked steak in butter and grapeseed oil and baste it quickly. I'm loosely basing the salad on this. I just picked up the ingredients that look good right now.

    I got an Anova circulator. It was rather reasonably priced. I'll sear in a heavy cast iron pan but I do have a blow torch, but am out of the fuel and I usually only use it in my studio. i got one after watching an artist bubble thick oil paint of a canvas surface. I had to try it but didn't have a blow torch yet, so I used a fire flicker onto alkyd (not linseed oil) paint that was not very thick on a finished painting. It set the canvas on fire. Luckily I was prepared and put it out with damp towels. But there was a burn hole in it and I've intentionally used burns and holes in paintings since.

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    She Will Be WOWed (and Jealous) (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:15:04 PM EST
    Interesting that the veggies are cooked at only 156ºF. I have read that they don't break down unless the temp is at least 183ºF but this is on the sous-vide site so it must be correct.

    From egullet discussions:

    I experimented with asparagus last night... I got really nice thick ones that I peeled, seasoned then in the bag with a couple pats of butter... Into the bath at 150F (65.6C) for about 8 minutes (as per instructions from discussions MUCH earlier in this thread).. then shocked in ice water and kept refrigerated until ready to serve... reheated in 128F (53.3C) bath used for cooking lamb...

    more here and here

    From serious eats,
    61-Day Dry-Aged, Sous-Vide, Torched-and-Seared Bone-in Ribeyes:   (great pics!)

    I started by first searing one side of the steak in smoking hot oil and butter (the browned butter solids help kickstart browning reactions on that side). As soon as the browning started, I flipped the steak over and immediately started cooking that top surface with the full blast of a propane torch. The layer of oil and butter clinging to its surface helped to distribute the heat of the flame evenly, leading to excellent, all-over browning and charring, creating an unbeatable, steakhouse broiler-quality crust in record time.

    Finally, I flipped the steak back over and torched the second side.

    What about the problem of uncombusted propane leaving its telltale aroma? Turns out to not be a problem in this case. Because of the heat of the skillet underneath and the increased convection caused by the shifting heat of the pan, the propane gets plenty of oxygen and heat, allowing it to fully combust, leaving behind nothing but sweet, succulent, charred beef.

    More from The food lab:

    Indeed, the absolute best steak I had was one that I had salted on both sides then allowed to rest on a rack overnight in the refrigerator uncovered.

    this dry brine method looks interesting and he uses the freezer for 30 min, not to cool but to dry... ( I would just use a blow dryer)

    Blow torch story sounds great... best gas for cooking is Mapp gas because it is the hottest and propane, butane leave a flavor..


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    Sous-VIde Resources (5.00 / 2) (#191)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:12:56 PM EST
    Egullet has an extensive section on sous-vide... lots of info there, and discussion. And Douglas Baldwin's book online is an essential resource.

    Wiki Gullet (Beta), an egullet project appears to be exhaustive as well.

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    Small batch jams (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by nycstray on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:57:34 PM EST
    not sure what I am going to do exactly flavor wise, but I have fresh peaches, cherries and plums :)

    And I need to make up a big pot of sauce as I'm starting to see the first trickling of tomatoes at the market and I still have some of last year's crop left. Heck, I still have peaches left, lol!~ (guess I need to make more breakfast bars) I think things are coming in early this year. . . .

    Rest of the weekend will be spent outside putzing around the front and back yards and wandering the marina with Rox. And speaking of Rox, I'm currently drying some chili sweet potato chews for her in the oven (that's cooking, right?!)

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    My cooking would horrify you! (none / 0) (#94)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:54:53 PM EST
    I am too ashamed to say, which is why I never comment on all y'all's cooking threads. I do read them though, maybe some day I will try preparing something actually worth eating.

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    Everyones Priorities are Different.. (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by squeaky on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:03:37 PM EST
    Those who like to eat well but do not like to cook, find people to be around who like to cook and share..  

    but for some eating delicious food is not a top priority... there is something for everyone in this life..

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    Rubio: Global warming is Gods Plan (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 04:47:41 PM EST
    HEAD v DESK

    Senator Rubio: If God Wants the Climate to Change, We Must Let It

    WASHINGTON - Republican Senator Marco Rubio (FL), a prominent Christian and noted skeptic of climate change science, yesterday argued that Americans should resist efforts by the federal government to curb carbon dioxide emissions. Sen. Rubio, who is a likely candidate for president in 2016, said that such programs would be "against God's Will," since "for all we know, God wants the Earth to get warmer."

    Speaking at a luncheon with potential donors, Rubio admitted that "it's getting more and more difficult to deny that the Earth is getting hotter--just look at the new NASA report."

    Rubio was referring to two studies released Monday which indicate that the "melting of the Western Antarctic Ice sheet is unstoppable, and the glaciers are doomed to collapse and melt into the sea," which will raise sea levels significantly, leaving much of the world's coastal cities underwater.

    "So yeah, I don't deny it's happening," Rubio said. "But what we absolutely cannot say for sure is that a warming Earth is not just part of God's plan," Rubio explained. "God knows what He's doing, and it pleases Him to see half of Manhattan underwater and Miami wiped out completely, then we cannot stand in His way."

    Holy Batshit (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:13:48 PM EST
    This is when I hope their is a God. (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by cpresley on Fri May 23, 2014 at 11:07:41 PM EST
    This idiot will get to the gates of heaven and God will meet him and say, I gave you a whole brain and you chose to only use 1/8th of it, you are not welcome in Heaven, you're to stupid.

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    - A variation on the Rapture won't come (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Mr Natural on Sat May 24, 2014 at 01:03:46 PM EST
    until the last tree is felled, any excuse to plunder and pillage the Earth's natural resources philosphy, pushed under Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, James Watts.  

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    And now, for the rest of the story (1.00 / 1) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:50:52 AM EST
    Antarctic polar ice extent has set another new record, defying alarmist global warming claims. Surpassing the greatest month-of-April ice extent in recorded history, the new record throws cold water on alarmist claims that the Antarctic ice cap has crossed a melting point of no return.

    The most recent Antarctic ice sheet alarm began with a paper examining a particular glacier in West Antarctica that "has long been considered prone to instability." The paper speculates that a collapse of this particular glacier is unavoidable, though it will not actually collapse for at least a couple centuries and possibly not until 2900 AD.

    Notably, while the majority of Antarctica is getting colder and the Southern Hemisphere polar ice cap is expanding, West Antarctica is a smaller portion of the continent that is experiencing modest warming. Taking advantage of this outlier trend in a smaller portion of the continent, the media has a long history of highlighting modest warming in West Antarctica or a small retraction of West Antarctic sea ice and falsely claiming this is caused by global warming and is representative of Antarctica as a whole.

    Link

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    You're linking to a guy (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by desertswine on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:11:48 PM EST
    who denies that cigarettes cause cancer. Stop it.

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    What you don't deny is that the facts here (2.00 / 1) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:27:11 PM EST
    are facts.

    And you show no proof of your own.

    I give you a Pfffffft!!!

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    Just link to something worth reading. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by desertswine on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:45:01 PM EST
    Those aren't "facts" (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:59:03 PM EST
    And the clown who's garbage you are promoting is no expert and his claims have been debunked by actual experts too many times to count.

    Antarctic Sea Ice And The Art Of Climate Distraction

    In order to distract from the announcement this week that Arctic sea ice is at a record low, right-wing media are pointing to Antarctic sea ice as proof that climate change isn't occurring. But Antarctic sea ice gains have been slight, whereas Arctic ice decline -- a key indicator of climate change -- has been extreme. Furthermore, scientists have long expected the Arctic to experience the first impacts of climate change, and still project that in the long run, sea ice in both regions will decline as greenhouse gas concentrations increase.


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    Yman the Parser you may suck (2.00 / 1) (#177)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:50:45 PM EST
    the teats of Media Matters.

    But you can not deny the facts.

    lol

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    Just proving (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:00:12 PM EST
    my theory that by the time whoever gets through the GOP primaries they are going to be just as nutty as any tea partier.

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    And i (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:01:07 PM EST
    think they'll go for the real thing instead of fake one like Rubio.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:10:37 PM EST
    Marco is fooling no one.  This is honestly the most craven on its face ridiculous embarrassing pander to the lowest common denominator I have ever seen.

    One for the books.

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    "One for the books." (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:31:00 PM EST
    Seems like it is from the "Left Behind" book series.  A rapture-esque theology that infects the do nothing,  here and now of the environment.  For the frozen faithful, climate change is of no concern since the earth will be destroyed anyway.  The eschatology of the second coming  caused troubles for St. Paul: if the end of the world is nearing why bother to do anything?  

     Guess, any steps of caution or common sense may be considered folly--the Dutch building a dike to hold back water might be suspect.   Rubio is Catholic, and, generally, would be thought to subscribe to "leaving the earth a better place that we found it" theology, but maybe his boyhood Mormonism has infused his thinking.  Or, St. Koch Brothers have controlling influence.

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    This may not be real (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:34:05 PM EST
    Currently googling.

    I just heard it quoted on teevee and googled and that sit came up. Not familiar with it but it looks onion like.

    Actually I'm glad it if it's not true.


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    The funny thing is (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:35:51 PM EST
    It's completely believable.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 05:37:30 PM EST
    The last paragraph is sort of a giveaway --

    Today the senator clarified those remarks. "What I meant was that Jesus Himself is probably responsible for global warming," he said. "I can't tell you exactly why he's doing it, but that's what Faith is for--trusting that Jesus is warming up the planet so we can all live in water parks or something equally awesome."


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    From the "about us" page of the site (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Peter G on Fri May 23, 2014 at 06:57:22 PM EST

    JUST ENOUGH NEWS...Newslo is the first hybrid News/Satire platform on the web. Readers come to us for a unique brand of entertainment and information that is enhanced by features like our fact-button, which allows readers to find what is fact and what is satire.

    Newslo's "No Need to Satirize" brings you completely factual stories that are so ridiculous, they don't need our trademark touch. Whenever you see #NNTS, you're reading COMPLETELY real news that only seems too absurd to be true.


    link

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    But but but (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:03:48 PM EST
    That can't be true can it?  I read that page but, seriously?  Also I can't fid this anywhere else.  Wouldn't this be the lead story on every MSNBC show?  I did find this-

    I can't find any other newsource that quotes him saying things quite that
    extreme about God and Jesus and coimate change.

    THis feels more like something The Onion might write, but you never know.

    That was my impression. Let me know if you find out one way or the other. Seems
    too nutty to be true, but that's the way the Right Wing rolls these days.

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    if you go back to the linked story (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peter G on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:07:59 PM EST
    and click the "show facts" button, you can see that it is clearly disclosed as satire, with a few actual Rubio quotes interlaced into it.

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    That's funny (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:45:24 PM EST
    I had a pop up over the show facts hide facts buttons on the iPad.

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    I wonder of that was intentional? (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:46:54 PM EST
    Once upon a time we had global cooling (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:43:39 AM EST
    that was to be brought on by the world wide nuclear war throwing all that dust up in the air.

    Well, that didn't work out so then we had Man Made Global Warming as predicted by a guy named Mann who claimed to have a hockey stick graph that showed we would soon all be toast!

    The Al Gore of Nashville joined in with a movie showing floods and death and destruction... but he missed all his predicted dates. But he did make a lot of money.

    In the meantime Mann was refusing to let people view his computer code...because they didn't believe him... Well, he finally did and guess what????

    Using his method any random inputs showed a hockey stick. Wow, or at least.. Are you kidding me???? But Mann did make a lot of money.

    In the meantime Dr Phil Jones, in what he thought was a private email that got hacked admitted that there was no significant warming but he couldn't say because it would PO all his buds. He closed by wishing that MMGW would happen because he wanted to be proved right.

    And just to prove Mann's refusal was not a fluke Jones' CRU said they had lost all their original data and could only show what they had done "tricks" on. A variation on "the dog ate my home work" claim beloved by third graders world wide.

    And all the dates kept being missed and missed and missed and it was just too embarrassing so warming now became..... "Climate Change." After all, the climate has been changing since day one...who could disagree with that???

    So the Low Information Voters and all the Obama Lovers ran around and around screaming, "See! We were right! We were right!"

    And anyone who disagreed were called names because they must be racists and hate Obama and didn't care about the world. Just plain old consensus deniers.

    But when the figures were challenged the producers who produced them said they were under copyright and sent a cease and desist order...Not as good as dog eating but interesting, eh?

    But a few kept their heads and said things like:

    How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d'être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

    It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford's book organizes the facts very well.) I don't believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

    Professor Emeritus of physics Hal Lewis of the University of California at Santa Barbara.

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    Silly fairy tales (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:09:43 AM EST
    Well, that didn't work out so then we had Man Made Global Warming as predicted by a guy named Mann who claimed to have a hockey stick graph that showed we would soon all be toast!

    The Al Gore of Nashville joined in with a movie showing floods and death and destruction... but he missed all his predicted dates

    Did you ever notice how the deniers always use their own paraphrasing of what they claim people said, without ever using the actual quote?

    Guess there's a reason they don't like using actual quotes ...

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    What a perfect straightman you are (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 02:25:54 PM EST
    We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.

    Link

    At some time or another, most people will have seen the hockey stick - the iconic graph which purports to show that after centuries of stable temperatures, the second half of the twentieth century saw a sudden and unprecedented warming of the globe. This was caused, we were told, by mankind burning fossil fuels and releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. For a while, the hockey stick was everywhere - unimpeachable evidence that mankind was  damaging the planet - an impact that would require drastic measures to reverse.  The stick's most famous outing however was just a couple of years ago when it made a headlining appearance in Al Gore's drama-documentary, An Inconvenient Truth. The revelation of the long, thin graph with its dramatic temperature rise in the last few decades, and the audience gasps that accompanied it, is something of a key moment for many environmentalists.

    snip

    Meanwhile the second, longer paper ("the CC paper") had started its long road to publication at the journal Climatic Change. This article purported to be a replication of the hockey stick and confirmation of its scientific correctness. However, in a surprising turn of events, the journal's editor, prominent global warming catastrophist Steven Schneider, mischievously asked none other than Steve McIntyre to be one of the paper's anonymous peer reviewers.

    We have seen above that one of the chief criticisms of the hockey stick was the fact that its author, Michael Mann, had withheld the validation statistics so that it was impossible for anyone to gauge the reliability of the reconstruction. These validation statistics were to be key to the subsequent story. At the time of their press release Wahl and Amman had made public the computer code that they'd used in their papers. By the time their paper was submitted to Climatic Change, McIntyre had reconciled their work with his own so that he understood every difference. And he therefore now knew that Wahl and Amman's work suffered from exactly the same problem as the hockey stick itself: the R2 number was so low as to suggest that the hockey stick had no meaning at all

    Link

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    Not as straight as you, Jim (none / 0) (#125)
    by Yman on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:05:37 PM EST
    But nice try at ignoring your claims that I specifically called you out on.  Do you really think it's not completely transparent?

    Well, that didn't work out so then we had Man Made Global Warming as predicted by a guy named Mann who claimed to have a hockey stick graph that showed we would soon all be toast!

    BS - Mann never made such a claim.  Your claim is a lie.

    The Al Gore of Nashville joined in with a movie showing floods and death and destruction... but he missed all his predicted dates

    Yet another lie.

    You make it too easy, Jim.


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    Mann was the father of the hockey stick (none / 0) (#176)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:48:37 PM EST
    he could no more deny that than you can deny you are absolutely laughable.

    And Algore never made a lying movie?? Really????

    You sir are a liar of the first rank.

    I shall now name you, "Yman the Parser."

    Wear your badge well, Yamn the Parser. You have earned it.

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    Okay, I'll bite (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Fri May 23, 2014 at 09:49:46 PM EST
    Who is the real one?

    Cruz, Rand Paul?

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    I think (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 09:52:20 PM EST
    It might be Paul.  It won't be Cruz.

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    Ted Cruz (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:05:04 AM EST
    Ben Carson from what I have seen.

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    Hw would have a hard time even winning Florida (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:53:33 AM EST
    I think I said that a few months ago and I still believe it. He is going nowhere. But hey Marco, for all we know, that is God's plan.

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    Aaaarrghh ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by christinep on Fri May 23, 2014 at 06:51:14 PM EST
    What I learned from spiritual guidance--and hearing many nuns and priests on the matter of the extent of "free will"--is that we can employ and are expected to use the intelligence, skill that God has given us.  The lazy passivity of Rubio seems more astounding every time that he speaks.  

    Who knows ... maybe Rubio has experienced stages of "warming" because the heat of his home state may have fried the Senator's brain.  

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    Even if you just look at... (none / 0) (#15)
    by unitron on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:43:28 PM EST
    ...What Rubio actually said instead of the extra stuff that site made up and added, it sounds like the new strategy on the right is to deal with the increasingly hard to ignore indications of climate change by no longer denying that it's happening, but by continuing to claim that it couldn't possibly be caused by human activity (and therefore we don't have to change a thing we're doing), and to put the blame on the Baby Jesus.

    After all, if it's being brought about by the active intervention of The Creator, we mere strip-mining, gas guzzler driving mortals are powerless to make any difference in whatever outcome He has planned, so there's no need to change anything that we're doing, and anybody who says different is obviously an atheist denying the power of The Almighty.


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    Yep (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 07:49:05 PM EST
    I saw part of the interview were he was moving from denying since that is becoming increasingly transparent to saying yeah it's happening and maybe we are causing it but it's already to late so why bother the nice oil and coal industries.

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    Julian Castro (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Fri May 23, 2014 at 09:47:35 PM EST
    now clearly a possible VP pick.  He can't win state wide office in Texas right now.

    But some executive experience will make him a possible pick.  

    I guess they sent him to D.C. to give him a clear shot at VP.

    Looks like a rerun (none / 0) (#29)
    by ragebot on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:18:27 PM EST
    So, you hope (none / 0) (#30)
    by MKS on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:44:51 PM EST
    Don't think so.

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    If the truth be known (none / 0) (#59)
    by ragebot on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:55:27 AM EST
    I liked Henry.  He had a very solid record at HUD and before that as mayor.  Even before he went to HUD he was much better known nationally than Castro.  Henry was well respected by both parties as a straight shooter.

    So far Castro has not accomplished nearly as much as Henry did.  Time will tell, but why would make a comment that seems to bash both me and the former HUD sec.

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    "Re-run" (none / 0) (#157)
    by MKS on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:05:43 PM EST
    sounds pejorative....Coming from a conservative, you were implying something else, true?

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    Satan using Gay Demons to Silence Us (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 23, 2014 at 10:47:14 PM EST
    some times we in the gay community are fortunate in our enemies (also see above)

    Two brothers who were recently fired by HGTV after their anti-gay views came to light said this week that they had been silenced by a "demonic agenda."
    In an interview on Monday, The Blaze's Glenn Beck told Jason and David Benham that the same "agenda" that had forced them out for comparing same-sex marriage to Nazism was now celebrating gay football player Michael Sam.
    Jason Benham pointed out, however, that the LGBT community would destroy Sam as soon as he "changes his lifestyle."
    David Benham argued that they had been attacked by the same "spirit" that had been "punching nations since the beginning of time."
    Beck agreed, and connected that spirit back to Nazism in "eastern Europe and Germany."
    David Benham later reminded Beck about the story of an evil biblical sorcerer who owned a donkey, and he noted that the Democratic Party also used a donkey as its symbol.

    I need a meeting notice for those gay meetings (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:57:53 AM EST
    The Agenda seems a lot more fun than the agendas at my workplace.

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    I was wondering (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:06:25 AM EST
    If it's something you can join like AARP.
    Do you discounts on Nightshade and Brimstone?

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    From Betty Bowers Americas Best Christian (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:40:30 AM EST
    This is really old but it still makes me laugh every time I see it --

    The Homosexual Agenda

    8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.
    8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don't panic; you're not slumming.

    8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won't be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter "sorry" as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you "loan" him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.

    8:05 a.m. Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, "It was fun. I'll give you a call," as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.

    8:06 a.m. Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.

    8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you've heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.

    8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.

    8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.

    9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.

    9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."

    10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are "meeting with a client." Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying "poem" she has tacked to her cubicle wall).

    10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.

    11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.

    12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.

    12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend's boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.

    1:00 p.m. Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from AOL M4M chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d' recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.

    2:30 p.m. "Dessert at your place." Find out, once again, people lie on AOL.

    3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.

    4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.

    4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.

    6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.

    6:47 P.M. Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.

    7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, "Over!"

    7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.

    8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be "over" by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.

    10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can't navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how "trashy" people who still think smoking is acceptable are.

    12:00 a.m. "Nightcap at your place." Find out that people lie in bars, too.

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    hahaha...love it! (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:38:38 PM EST
    I myself also usually opt for Aveda and Revos so I can really subscribe to this agenda.

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    Well, you jumped on a fictional (none / 0) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:31:25 PM EST
    comment for Rubio and while I would think you would learn, you do it again on same thread...

    The Landover Baptist Church is a fictional[1] Baptist church based in the fictional town of Freehold, Iowa. The Landover Baptist web site and its associated Landoverbaptist.net Forum are a satire of fundamentalist Christianity and the Religious Right in the United States.

    The Landover site also features Betty Bowers, a fictional central character on the satirical website BettyBowers.com

    Link

    And your point is???????

    That you enjoy fictional comments made by a fictional person living in a fictional town going to a fictional church??

    lol

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    I do yes (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:58:27 PM EST
    Her name is Bruce I think and she know she is a fictional character.

    Unlike yourself.

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    lol - You have no concept of (none / 0) (#187)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:06:10 PM EST
    being embarrassed.

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    Love this part (none / 0) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 07:02:00 PM EST
    The site was created by Chris Harper, who obtained his Master's Degree in English Literature from George Mason University in 1993 after being expelled from Liberty University (founded by Jerry Falwell) in 1989 for producing a satirical radio show which Liberty's administration found offensive.

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    Question for the group (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:11:49 AM EST
    A new gas station opened up near my house. It has a pump for 'ethanol free' gas. Is this gas good for the environment? Good for my car? bad for either?  I usually use plain old regular unleaded.

    What's the story here?

    They (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by lentinel on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:55:02 AM EST
    can label gas, "ethanol free", but won't tell us if our food contains GMOs!

    Sorry for the diversion, but I noticed that fishcamp answered your question.

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    We never use ethanol gas (none / 0) (#43)
    by fishcamp on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:43:05 AM EST
    in our two stroke outboard motors on fishing boats.  That ingredient can and does, over time, melt gas lines and gaskets, clog fuel filters and wind up costing money to fix.  On four stroke outboards and automobile engines the damage is minimal.  Regular unleaded gasoline at the pumps has ethanol in it.

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    R90 (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ragebot on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:05:49 AM EST
    is shorthand for Recreational octane 90 gas that contains no ethanol.  Many small engines warn users if they use ethanol the warranty on the engine is void.  Ethanol attracts water and forms chemicals in the fuel that can damage many non metal parts of the engine.  

    Most of us drive our cars on a very regular basis (daily or more frequently) we often only use our recreational vehicles on weekends and often not even every weekend.  The fuel sits in the tank and the ethanol has a much longer time to combine with water and create chemicals that attack non metal parts of the engine.  Often times small parts of gaskets will break off and clog small ports in the engine.

    I only use R90 in the engines on my boat.

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    Maybe that pump is mainly used (none / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Sat May 24, 2014 at 12:42:59 PM EST
    by people filling up their boats and other small engines. Lots of that around here. A guy at the dog park says he also likes it for his vintage Buick.

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    Ethanol is alcohol and most gasoline (none / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 03:12:07 PM EST
    blends have up to 10% of it.

    The addition of alcohol makes the gas burn cleaner thus reducing pollutants in the atmosphere, including CO2, the dreaded cause of global warming (sarcasm alert).

    Ethanol in this country is made almost exclusively from corn. This new demand on an important food crop has driven up corn prices and, in turn, food prices. A few years back Mexico had riots over the high prices. We had various discussions about this in TL.

    It has also caused thousands of acres of new crop land to be put into production which releases soil stored CO2, the dreaded cause of global warming (sarcasm alert)into the atmosphere.

    Alcohol has a nasty effect on some rubber hoses, gaskets and such and older model autos suffered from rotted hoses, etc. The hoses have been changed and the problem no longer exist on new models. Same for lawn mowers, chain saws, etc. I haven't seen a warning on any of these for the simple reason that  they wouldn't sell many if they couldn't use readily available fuel.

    Alcohol binds with water very very well. So if it is left in a gas tank over the winter then it may absorb enough condensation to cause problems. Two cycle engines use an oil mix to lubricate that reduces energy of the fuel  so they are easier to fail prey to water absorption. Solution: drain your fuel tank when storing for the season. Use fresh fuel in the spring or fall for you snow blowing folks.

    Ethanol also causes a drop off of fuel economy. In Denver when November rolled around and ethanol, or MTBE, was mandated, I always saw around a 5-10% drop in mileage. So we burned more fuel to have a cleaner atmosphere. Somehow that doesn't compute well.

    Now, would I pay more for ethanol free fuel? No.

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    google is your friend (none / 0) (#161)
    by ragebot on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:13:04 PM EST
    It is easy to find lots of small engine makers, and large ones too, who recommend against the use of ethanol.

    US autos are the major consumers of gas with ethanol added.  Even in the US AAA has warned about using 15% ethanol mixtures in both old and new cars.

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    If Google was his friend (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 05:20:01 PM EST
    We would all be a lot happier

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    You would actually be bored. (none / 0) (#189)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:09:40 PM EST
    You got me (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:58:44 PM EST
    I was happy to find that Betty B (none / 0) (#194)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:33:39 PM EST
    was fictional.

    lol

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    So, let me get this straight (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:49:27 PM EST
    You thought someone who calls herself AMERICAS BEST CHRISTIAN was not fictional?

    That's actually funnier than the Homosexual Agenda.

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    Which was a joke BTW (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:51:09 PM EST
    In case THAT wasn't clear

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    Uh last things first (none / 0) (#195)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat May 24, 2014 at 06:36:08 PM EST
    Many small engines warn users if they use ethanol the warranty on the engine is void.

    Not exactly

    Small engine manufacturers, such as Briggs and Stratton,
    have the following requirements regarding fuel used in their
    current 4- and 2-stroke engines [1]:
    *     Clean,    fresh,    unleaded    gasoline
    *     Minimum    of    87    octane
    *     Gasoline    with    up    to    10    percent    ethanol    (E10,    gasohol)    or   
    up to 15 percent MTBE is acceptable
     Therefore, using E10 is acceptable. However; using a higher    ethanol    blend    such    as    E85    could    void    the    warranty    on   
    these engines because it can lead to lean running conditions

    Link

    So if you wanna change and say the subject was 15% ethanol, be my guest.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 361 (none / 0) (#57)
    by Dadler on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:53:33 AM EST
    You're on sale for 75% off, whether you know it or not. (link)

    v. 360
    v. 359
    v. 358
    v. 357
    v. 356

    Happy Saturday, my friends. Here on the northern SF peninsula, we'll be breathing deep and cherishing this brief and mortal coil.

    Peace...

    Whenever I see the dogs (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 04:19:22 PM EST
    Playing keep-away I know is probably not good.  This time it was half a dead rat.  The back half.  I guess like me they like the crunchy parts.

    How would you like (none / 0) (#201)
    by desertswine on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:01:27 PM EST
    this guy for a neighbor. Threatening to kill people is just his brand of "free speech" I guess.

    That threat thing (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:36:10 PM EST
    Well I was going to say unbelievable but it's not.  On the upside all these a$$hats seem to be 70 or older.  Like Maher said, one good flu season and many problems solved