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    Gawd, I can't stand TL during elections. (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:58:05 PM EST
    Blah blah blah blah blah blah...

    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:08:16 PM EST
    Mostly true. Here's a non-election update for you...I hit Toronto and pocketed a 2016 ticket to Hopkinton a couple weeks back.

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    Lookachew! Really excellent. (none / 0) (#48)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:32:04 PM EST
    My wife did Boston back in the day, she still raves about it. My "one and done" marathon was NYC about 15 years ago. I had a decent time (3:41) but not good enough for Boston.

    Big congrats!

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    You certainly didn't go easy (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:48:45 PM EST
    for your one and only attempt. NYC this past Sunday was especially brutal for those that went.

    What race did your wife run for her BQ? I opted for flat and cold. Lucked into low to mid 40's and not too much wind. Still have a bit to go to match your best. Luckily, the path to Hopkinton improves with age if you stay injury free.


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    Yes, "injury free" is the key. (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:55:28 PM EST
    I don't for a second think I could match my NYC time today. My wife Q'd at Sacramento.

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    And, yet, here you are: (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by NYShooter on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:13:05 PM EST
    Blah blah blah blah blah blah...

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    One of those rare times (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:15:46 PM EST
    when the original comment and the reply both made me laugh.

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:35:22 PM EST
    I just made our reservations ... (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:15:45 PM EST
    ... to go to the Big Island for Thanksgiving weekend. While I'm off chemo right now, I'm neither in the shape nor the mood to travel very far, so Hilo will be perfect for some down time.

    We're also going to look at a house on the south side of town near UH-Hilo while we're over there, to see if we're interested in purchasing it. Housing prices are actually very reasonable in east Hawaii island right now, and I think it would be nice to actually have a place with its own yard and trees. We both really like Hilo, and while it would be different to live in a town of 45,000 versus a city of a half-million, we'd get used to it pretty quickly.

    The Spouse just received her credentials from UH-Manoa this past summer, which qualifies her to teach in public school, so her getting a job won't be all that hard because they're actively looking for teachers there. And with my consulting business, the technology and communications are such that I could just as easily work in Hilo as here on Oahu. And if I have to commute to Honolulu one day a week, I can do that because it's only a 45-min. flight each way.

    Anyway, we'll see. Aloha.

    Donald, that sounds great. (none / 0) (#75)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 10:10:26 PM EST
    Isn't Hilo one of the few locations that was not bombed during WWll?  If I remember it is very charming, and is typical of the old Hawaiian style.  Perfect choice.

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    True Story: The mammoth volcano Mauna Loa -- largest mountain on earth by volume, and a much bigger potential threat to Big Island communities than Kilauea -- was erupting, and a large flank lava flow was threatening the town.

    In desperation, the U.S. Army commission then ruling the territory under martial law had a flight of Martin B-18 medium range bombers pound the flow's leading edge, as a means to divert the flow.

    It didn't work, of course, and the flow continued unabated. But Pele had a change of heart, and she spared Hilo by halting the flow five miles from the town's outskirts one week after the air raid.

    Aloha.

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    It seems (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 07:41:37 AM EST
    the GOP has backed itself into a corner this election. If they work with Obama they are screwed. If they sit on their butts and continue to do what they have been doing for the last four years they lose. They are also convinced that they have some kind of massive mandate. You always can guarantee the GOP will overreach. They are just incapable of governing it would seem.

    So I guess we (none / 0) (#86)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 07:53:27 AM EST
    Have nothing to worry about, then.

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    It's looking (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 07:57:22 AM EST
    like gridlock. Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin and the poobahs of talk radio are already screaming at Mitch telling him he had better push the tea party agenda. Another six months of this he might wish he had lost to Alison Grimes. LOL.

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    You always have something to worry about (none / 0) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:20:02 AM EST
    That doesn't stop until you are dead.

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    I have plenty of things to worry about (none / 0) (#89)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:23:52 AM EST
    Politicians and Rush Limbaugh yammering are not on that list.

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    Limbaugh is instructive (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:38:45 AM EST
    of what the GOP is going to be doing and that's about it. He's shooting at McConnell and i'm laughing.

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    God knows it would be chaos (none / 0) (#102)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:41:05 AM EST
    In the House or the Senate if you did that as an elected representative in one of them.

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    I am also not worried (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:44:38 AM EST
    About what Mitch McConnell might be doing, or more precisely, what pundits, bloggers, radio personalities, and commenters think he might do.

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    Right (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 10:38:10 AM EST
    now it looks like they are going to be doing exactly nothing. Whether the tea party gets restless and starts up stuff remains to be seen. Ted Cruz is sniffing around to see what he can get I'm sure.

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    I was over at the GOS (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:04:46 PM EST
    and they were talking about how the Clintons don't know to run elections because Alison Grimes lost in the senate race. Well, I just checked Obama's numbers and she way outperformed him in KY. So I definitely would not say that. Obama's numbers were abysmal in KY.

    If Hillary Clinton decides she wants (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:32:56 PM EST
    The Headache of being President, they will do exceptionally well as they always do.  We had the untainted outsider and the majority appears to be unhappy, time for the tainted insider again :)

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    On this date in 1527 (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:33:00 PM EST
    Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, a Spanish explorer, was shipwrecked on what is now Galveston Island, TX.

    With only three other survivors remaining of the 600 that had landed in Florida seven months earlier, he set off on foot.

    Eight years later, in 1535, after walking across most of southern Texas and northern and central Mexico, and having passed from native tribe to tribe, living at various times as equals, captives, slaves, and faith healers, the four finally found their way to Mexico City and the colonized lands of New Spain. They returned to Spain in 1537.

    During his eight year trek de Vaca had developed a relatively sympathetic viewpoint towards the natives. This did not serve him well when he returned to the new world in 1540 with the directive to re-establish the city of Buenos Aires, Brazil.

    After failing his directive, perhaps due in part to his determination not to use the natives as slave laborers, he was returned to Spain where he was put on trial, and ultimately acquitted, of poor administration.

    He died poor in Seville around the year 1558.

    Not the type of thing I usually post, but I hope someone finds it as interesting as I did!

    So in other words... (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by unitron on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:43:24 PM EST
    ...it's always the wrong time to do the right thing.

    Or at least if interferes with the powerful maximizing their profits.

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    Take your job and shove it... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 02:58:37 PM EST
    I can't stand your stupidity no more...

    Kentucky teacher resigns over unfounded Ebola fear.  

    You tell 'em Sister.

    I think the elections (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:39:33 PM EST
    should have cured Ebola. Ebola is so last night.

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    Brand R in Legislative Charge... (none / 0) (#117)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:48:32 AM EST
    I'd stay in Africa too, if I was Ebola.

    Sh*t Brand D even! ;)

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    Bro... (none / 0) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:11:55 PM EST
    ...it doesn't get any dumber that quitting a job that if forcing you to take 21 days off, paid.

    She hit the work lottery and said "No thanks, I will go home and do the same exact stuff I could have done except I won't get paid, oh... and I will need another job in which I will have to explain that I quit because her former employer tried to force  paid leave on her.

    If she wanted to make a point, why quit, just say no and let it play out.  Force them to act on their non-sense.  They got what they wanted and they got it as the discounted price of -0-.

    There are few things I can say about myself with absolute certainly, but I will never refuse paid days off.  My brain can't even entertain quitting.

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    My brain works like yours (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by sj on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:39:36 PM EST
    in this instance. But for the sake of argument, I can see at least one reason why she may have done this: she's a teacher. If she cedes the moral high ground to ignorance then she isn't much of an example to her students.

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    Exactly... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:59:26 PM EST
    Most definitely down for some paid quarantine myself, that's why this teacher is far better than I.

    Not good for the pocketbook, but good for the soul.  Lord knows I've encountered massive stupidity I'd like to call out instead of going along to get along...I admire her small heroic act.

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    If That Were the Case... (none / 0) (#100)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:38:28 AM EST
    ...seems odd she would take a job at a Catholic school in Kentucky.

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    Not Kentucky... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:46:39 AM EST
    but my Catholic High School had some awesome teachers who did not push religion nor suffer fools who put superstition above science.

    Catholics are crazy, but they are not born-again evangelical crazy;)

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    Yep. Catholics have Universities... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:09:29 AM EST
    Thumpers have Bible Colleges that refuse to offer Geology courses.  America's answer to the Madrassas.

    Idiots.

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    ... to go to Mass occasionally and wear uniforms, but that was about it. It touted itself in public as a college preparatory institution for boys (the school went co-ed in 1986) and endeavored to live up to that standard.

    Far from discouraging discussion about science, my Catholic teachers taught me that our innate inquisitiveness about the world around us and our ability to pursue knowledge thereof are both gifts from Heaven. To that effect, my chemistry class as taught by Sr. Mary Joseph was quite rigorous, and I were learned all about Charles Darwin's theory of evolution in rather remarkable detail from Br. Charles' biology class.

    Roman Catholic theologians got intellectually torched centuries ago when people like Galileo Galilei and Nicolaus Copernicus were arrested on charges of heresy, for having the audacity to posit that the earth revolved around the sun and not vice versa, etc. I'd like to think that Catholics have since learned their lessons in that regard, given that sound scientific research ultimately proved both men right.

    Pope Francis spoke to this just last week when he noted that because the "Big Bang" theory is actually grounded in fact, it therefore should not be so readily dismissed out of hand for self-serving theological considerations. Science and faith are not and should not be mutually exclusive propositions.

    After all, and lest we forget, it was the Roman Catholic monk Gregor Mendel who gave the west its first real clues about the science of genetics and selective breeding. And thanks in part to his initial discoveries, we've since developed corn that can resist infestation by insects and will probably outlive us all, and we've been able to fine-tune a breed of English bulldog that wins points at dog shows, but is an anatomically miserable creature that's pretty much useless for anything else.

    Ain't science grand? ;-D

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    I'm more curious where this (none / 0) (#134)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:33:10 PM EST
    Libertarian-Catholic branch of the Church came from.  

    As I recall, we've had a couple of them at this site from time to time.

    Talk about marrying the sacred and the (social Darwinist) secular..  

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    My high school alma mater is La Sallian. (none / 0) (#150)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:33:09 PM EST
    It's affiliated with the Institute of the Brothers of Christian Schools, aka the La Salle Christian Brothers, which was founded as a Catholic teaching order by St. Jean-Baptiste de La Salle, who is the patron saint of teachers. Among the Catholic orders, they are probably one of the more liberal and their primary focus is on doing good works to assist at-risk communities, not unlike the Maryknoll Fathers, Brothers and Sisters.

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    As much as I may rag on... (none / 0) (#137)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:49:35 PM EST
    the church and the Franciscan Brothers who ran my high school, the teachers and school itself was top notch.  Far superior to the public school I would have went too.  Not cheap, but I was lucky enough to earn a scholarship.  And we had the best drugs!

    It's a real shame that the local diocese is closing so many schools...it was one of the things the church did really well, educating.

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    Well this explains... (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 03:05:28 PM EST
    Florida's election results...God is punishing you!

    Rand Paul (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 03:40:50 PM EST
    is already going after Hillary on his facebook page. He looks and sounds like a middle school boy doing that. My 13 year old is more mature than Rand. He's doing a great job turning himself into another freakish clown in the GOP circus.

    Speaking of sounding like a middle school boy (none / 0) (#31)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:52:16 PM EST
    you need to go back and read the tenor or your comments lately.

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    I'm not (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:13:44 PM EST
    a Senator nor any elected official nor am I planning on running for office. Next?

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    Thank God (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 09:12:11 PM EST
    jim, that was funny but very bad... (none / 0) (#76)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 10:14:58 PM EST
    Yes it was (none / 0) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:41:01 AM EST
    but the devil made me do it...;-)

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    Thanks for demonstrating (none / 0) (#94)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:57:17 AM EST
    Was Christian prayer is really all about.

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    Baawaawaa (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 03:15:32 AM EST
    Yes, I know pointing out that the GOP thinks the UN is coming to put everybody in tents and allow cows to vote and that they think Hillary is the anti-christ and that women should get their husband's permission before they leave the kitchen scares the mess out of you. And Governor Ebola Perry was screaming that Ebola was coming through the border of Mexico when it came to his state legally and with a passport is too much to handle.

    Jim where on earth did you get all these crackpots from? I have never seen such an assemblage of insanity in one party and going to Washington DC. I guess if I had ever been to the insane asylum I might have seen it there.

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    In James' world (none / 0) (#84)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:33:57 AM EST
    anyone to the Left of Attila the Hun is a Leftie-librul, don'tcha know.  He thinks the Quitbull was unfairly asked a trick question by Katie Couric when she was asked what newspapers she regularly reads.

    He's really not in touch with reality at times.  That's the sad part.

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    The sad part is that (1.00 / 2) (#93)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:57:11 AM EST
    you ignore my positions on gay marriage, single payer health care insurance, drug law reform...etc... and just make things up...

    You know, instead of blaming conservatives for these things not getting done why don't you remember back to January of 2009 to January of 2011....

    And understand that Obama had control of both houses of congress with a size able majority and didn't get any of these things done.

    WHOSE FAULT WAS THAT?

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    Whois making things up (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:16:40 AM EST
    You only mention your positions on other issues when it suits you, and you're strangely silent on them when they are the topic of a thread here.

    Oh, yeah, you want single-payer paid for by a national, regressive sales tax.  Yes, that is very forward-looking, Jim, have a tax that weighs on the poor more than the rich.  That's really a Social Liberal position.

    You know, instead of blaming conservatives for these things not getting done why don't you remember back to January of 2009 to January of 2011....

    And understand that Obama had control of both houses of congress with a size able majority and didn't get any of these things done.

    WHOSE FAULT WAS THAT?<blockquote>

    Quit making things up:

    The real Democratic Senate seat number in January, 2009 was 55 Democrats plus 2 Independents equaling 57 Senate seats.

    An aside....it was during this time that Obama's "stimulus" was passed. No Republicans in the House voted for the stimulus. However, in the Senate.....and because Democrats didn't have "total control" of that chamber.....three Republicans.....Snowe, Collins and Specter, voted to break a filibuster guaranteeing it's passage.

    Then in April, 2009, Republican Senator Arlen Specter became a Democrat. Kennedy was still at home, dying, and Al Franken was still not seated. Score in April, 2009....Democratic votes 58.

    In May, 2009, Robert Byrd got sick and did not return to the Senate until July 21, 2009. Even though Franken was finally seated July 7, 2009 and Byrd returned on July 21.....Democrats still only had 59 votes in the Senate because Kennedy never returned, dying on August 25, 2009.

    Kennedy's empty seat was temporarily filled by Paul Kirk but not until September 24, 2009.

    The swearing in of Kirk finally gave Democrats 60 votes (at least potentially) in the Senate. "Total control" of Congress by Democrats lasted all of 4 months. From September 24, 2009 through February 4, 2010...at which point Scott Brown, a Republican, was sworn in to replace Kennedy's Massachusetts seat.

    The truth....then....is this: Democrats had "total control" of the House of Representatives from 2009-2011, 2 full years. Democrats, and therefore, Obama, had "total control" of the Senate from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. A grand total of 4 months.

    Did President Obama have "total control" of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months. And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes.

    Did President Obama have "total control' of Congress during his first two years as president? Absolutely not and any assertions to the contrary.....as you can plainly see in the above chronology....is a lie.



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    Obama didn't do what Obama didn'[t do (none / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:57:29 PM EST
    you're strangely silent on them when they are the topic of a thread here.

    Google is your friend.

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    Obama did't have two years (none / 0) (#158)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 08:51:33 AM EST
    But a few months in which to operate with both Houses of Congress on his side. That is a fact which, like jbindc and others here, seems to be something you seem unwilling to accept, despite the timeline outlined above.

    Google is your friend.

    Yes, that's how I found the timeline laid out so clearly that only a fool or an ideolog would argue with it.  What you say is true.
    Apparently, that isn't true for you.

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    We ignore your positions on these (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 10:02:19 AM EST
    things, jim, because you don't support with your vote the candidates who would be able to advance them legislatively.

    Listen, I've had a ton of criticism for Obama and his failure to leverage Democratic majorities in Congress, but I don't talk out of both sides of my mouth like you do.  I don't fly my liberal flag and then vote for whacko conservatives who question Obama's citizenship, deny the reality of climate change, and want to reform/eliminate and/or privatize important social safety net programs.

    If you want all these socially liberal things you say you support, you have to vote for candidates who will work to make them a reality.  You've chosen to sell out those so-called beliefs for anyone who will love war and hate Muslims and assorted brown people as much as you do.

    You made that bed, jim, so you lie in it and quit shedding crocodile tears for all the socially liberal policies we don't have.

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    If I remember (1.50 / 2) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:02:30 PM EST
    you also didn't vote for The Won.

    So I guess we will ignore you.

    Bring back a Demo like Senator Nunn (yes Ga, there was one) and then call me.

    You had it all in 2009 and did nothing.

    Shame on you.

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    "You" had it all? (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Yman on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:38:27 PM EST
    "You" did nothing???  "Shame on "you"???

    Jim appears to be confusing Anne with a Democratic administration and Congress in order to personalize his attacks on her.

    The guy who constantly whines about personal attacks and "baiting".

    Heh.

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    Lol! (none / 0) (#160)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 09:18:23 AM EST
    "If you remember?" (5.00 / 3) (#153)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 10:08:20 PM EST
    Yeah, okay.  The other day you had me pledging allegiance to Dear Leader, and it was I who had to remind you that I didn't support Obama.  

    In 2008, I didn't cast a vote for president, because I didn't find either major candidate worthy.  In 2012, I voted Green, for the candidate who shared my vision.

    In both elections, I voted for down-ticket Dems who also shared my vision - people I hoped would work for what I wanted.

    I carried out my responsibility, but not being  then or now a member of the Congressional Democratic caucus, I didn't get to propose or vote on legislation to advance the issues I cared about.  So don't tell me I "did nothing."

    I vote for people who believe in women's reproductive rights, for raising the minimum wage, for clean air and water, for voting rights, for equal pay, for civil rights for all, not just the straight, white people.

    You don't.  You vote for people who want to deny us those things.

    Talk about voter fraud.  Jesus.

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    And the results were what?? (1.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 04:56:56 PM EST
    The same as mine.

    But tell me this. Based on what you write you wouldn't have cared if McCain and later Romney had won. Am I correct??

    Look, we both want some, perhaps all, of the same things except... I don't favor hate laws...don't believe man made global warming is real and think we need a very strong foreign and defense policy.

    But the facts are Obama did have the ability to get some of these things done. Might as well had McCain and then Romeny.

    He did nothing. Even worse, Obamacare will be hard to root out because the new welfare recipients will push back on a single payer system that will cost everyone, them included, some money.

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    Wouldn't have cared if McCain or (none / 0) (#174)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 05:25:18 PM EST
    Romney had won?  Of course I didn't want them to win, but I was tired of selling out my own beliefs and being goaded and bullied into voting for Democrats who only cared about winning, not about what people want.  And were just baby steps away from being Republicans themselves.  Less crazy, but allowing the GOP to keep moving the center to the right.

    Obama had a very small window - he did not leverage his power well, mainly because he didn't come into office as a fighter, he came in as the Compromiser in Chief, the one who was going to bring people together, and playing hardball with the GOP would have destroyed that image.

    Yes, we suffered for it.  Over and over he gave away the store still believing there would be some magic sweet spot where the GOP would accede.  It didn't happen.  They waited until they got what they wanted, then let Dems pass it so they wouldn't have to take any responsibility for it.  A win-win for them, no question.

    I can't keep voting for bad Democrats - I just can't.  Can't keep participating in the lowering of the bar - right or wrong, I'm voting what I believe.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:45:22 AM EST
    care about your supposed personal issues. You vote for these people. Can you explain why they are so insane?

    Conservatives have sat on their butts for four years doing nothing but wasting money with numerous inane attempts to repeal Obamacare and sent crackpot legislation to the senate that they know is not going to pass and then they tried to blow up the country. If those two things are all they are going attempt--wasting money and attempting to blow up the country I would rather have them to continue to sit on their butts.

    What exactly did you want Obama to get done when the house and the senate were under D control? And don't say single payer because you vote for people who would never in a million years support single payer. And even if we ran Dennis Kucinich who does support single payer you wouldn't vote for him. So i'm really tired of that excuse.

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    GA, here ya go (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:59:16 PM EST
    you ignore my positions on gay marriage, single payer health care insurance, drug law reform...etc... and just make things up...
    You know, instead of blaming conservatives for these things not getting done why don't you remember back to January of 2009 to January of 2011....

    He did nothing.

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    You're hysterical (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 10, 2014 at 09:25:37 AM EST
    You come around here and defending George W. who ran an entire campaign on gay bashing but pretend you're a social liberal. LOL.

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    Relax Ga (none / 0) (#91)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:51:29 AM EST
    the sun came up this morning only 20 minutes late and MSNBC has not been shut down.....yet.

    These lovely ladies and gentlemen were elected by their citizen peers because they stated they wanted to stop Obama, get rid of useless regulations, put our foreign policy on the proper course, close the borders to people from Ebola areas and investigate the IRS hounding conservatives and the DoS failure to know that 9/11 is a date terrorists are likely to attack...

    They'll get some of that done. The question is will Obama recognize that the people have spoken... remember Clinton did and had a productive term.

    But based on what I saw yesterday, bits and pieces as I played my favorite game, he thinks he can just issue EO's. That's gonna cause some problems.

    So buckle up. It may be a fun filled but very bumpy two years.

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    Heck (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:48:23 AM EST
    Jim Clinton broke their back. Maybe if Obama will break theirs there will be a productive session but if all the GOP is going to do is tea party scandal mongering then they're going to get the boot right out of the senate in 2016.

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    Clinton elected Bush (1.00 / 1) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:55:26 PM EST
    Try and remember.

    The IRS scandal will give them a majority next time around.... The underlings have to know their protection is gone.

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    Bush (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 10, 2014 at 09:27:13 AM EST
    the moron couldn't even win the popular vote and had to go to the supreme court. yeah, right. LOL.

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    You know, some folks (none / 0) (#184)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 10, 2014 at 12:53:56 PM EST
    should just quit making things up when they comment here.

    Parent
    Keep dreaming (none / 0) (#149)
    by Yman on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:30:33 PM EST
    Imaginary "scandals", imaginary "protection", ...

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    Clinton did? (none / 0) (#180)
    by unitron on Sat Nov 08, 2014 at 01:42:24 AM EST
    I could have sworn it was SCOTUS.

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    So, your agree with Rush Limbaugh (none / 0) (#92)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:56:10 AM EST
    Hat te Republicans don't need to govern they just have to "stop Obama"?

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    No, I don't agree. (1.00 / 1) (#95)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:05:25 AM EST
    I just told you why they won the election.

    I trust you understand the difference.

    As to "govern" that will require the Repubs and Demos and Obama working together.

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    your analysis is very close to his (none / 0) (#98)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:27:08 AM EST
    And he's not the only voice on the Right urging non-cooperation with the Democrats and Obama, btw:

    "With all due respect to the senator and like-minded Republicans, this course of action makes no sense as a political strategy," National Review wrote.

    They argued that people don't actually care about issues like trade. But mostly National Review said that trying to govern would just make the GOP vulnerable. Democrats will filibuster, Obama will veto, and the party will continue to divide between the Tea Party and the establishment.

    Instead, it should be all about 2016.

    "That means being a responsible party, to be sure, just as the conventional wisdom has it. But part of that responsibility involves explaining what Republicans stand for -- what, that is, they would do if they had the White House. And outlining a governing agenda for the future is a different matter from trying to govern in 2015," National Review wrote. "[N]ot much progress is possible until we have a better president. Getting one ought to be conservatism's main political goal over the next two years."

    And don't forget Obamacare!

    "If more Republicans endorse an alternative like the one that Senators Hatch, Coburn, and Burr introduced, the party will simultaneously reassure conservatives that it has a plan for replacing Obamacare and the public at large that life after Obamacare won't involve taking health insurance away from millions of people," they wrote.

    After 6+ years of obstructionism, you believe the Republicans will be cooperative?  Dream on, cowboy.  It's not going to happen, and of course,  Fox News and others like you will blame the Kenyan Usurper when that becomes apparent to all and sundry.

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    The Repubs could not obstruct anything (1.50 / 2) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 08:52:28 PM EST
    for the first two years.

    Your wonder boy sat on his behind and thought everyone loved him.

    Welcome to the world.

    He didn't do what he didn't do.

    BTW - I strongly object to you referring to me as "cowboy," etc.

    It is baiting. Please stop.

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    The timeline Obama had was a few months (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 09:01:13 AM EST
    Not 2 years, unless you forget that the Senate only had the 60 votes Obama needed for a few months, the same months that Obamacare got passed.

    As for your request, since you like to bait people with the epithet Pacificist when they aren't in line with your political views, I suggest you grow a skin or quit baiting people by telling them things about themselves that you have no way of knowing whether they are true or not, like when you thought
    I never fired a gun, or worked in a factory.

    Look to the beam in your own eye before having a hissy fit about the motes in the eyes of others.

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    The facts are that when you call someone (1.50 / 2) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 04:59:31 PM EST
    a name you are breaking the rules.

    Calling some Pacifist is a known accepted political name that carries no negative content. Referring to someone as "cowboy" is a slur. Period.

    Shall we refer this to Jeralyn??

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    Ah, so imputing cowardice (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 05:24:29 PM EST
    Isn't an insult, but name-calling is.

    You're an adult, and you can do what you like.  She will probably delete some of our comments, perhaps put,one or both of us in a timeout, or having reached her limit, ban either one or both of us.  I am prepared to accept any and/or all of them.

    So, given all that, you've gotta ask yourself--"Do I feel lucky?"

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    Nonsense (1.00 / 1) (#176)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 09:32:17 PM EST
    I repeat. Pacifists is a political term. Calling someone "cowboy" some other word is a slur.

    Parent
    You're getting the hang of it, Jim (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by Yman on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 10:08:41 PM EST
    Your subject line perfectly describes your post!

    LOL!

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    Nonsense is pretending you (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Nov 08, 2014 at 12:28:43 AM EST
    didn't post the little definition of pacifist by Robert Heinlein as a   smear tactic, Jim, in reference to me.  Do you think I suffer from some sort of memory problem, or that I should "quit making things up"?

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    That's nonsense, Jim. (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 01:52:30 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ: "Republicans could not obstruct anything the first two years."

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had to invoke cloture -- that is, introduce a motion to cut off a Republican filibuster -- for a then-record 91 times during the 111th Congress (2009-10). He actually succeeded in shutting down the filibusters 69% of the time, while Republicans prevailed on 28 different occasions.

    While you've every right to express your opinion, you've no right to manufacture your own facts.

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    Uh Donald, you just made my point. (1.00 / 1) (#171)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 05:05:03 PM EST
    Harry could and did shut off debate. That meant the Demos weren't stopped. There was no obstruction.

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    You know damned well that's not true, Jim. (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 09, 2014 at 07:08:43 PM EST
    Don't play the part of useful idiot. "Cutting off debate" is the formal legislative definition for cloture, but in fact there has been no debate since the rules of filibuster were changed in the 1970s. Whereas a senator used to have to hold the floor and address the chamber, a senator now merely has no signal his intent to hold up action on a given measure. When Republicans have done that these past eight years, the entire GOP caucus has repeatedly and dutifully lined up behind him. A motion of cloture and 60 votes is then required to overcome that hold and bring the measure to the Senate floor for action.

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    Not all the cloture measures went through (none / 0) (#172)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 05:13:39 PM EST
    so I don't know how the failure of cloture in the 28% of the cases demonstrates how Reid was 'limiting the debate".

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    Ah, so the evil Repubs (none / 0) (#175)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 09:25:00 PM EST
    stopped Obama from having Reid from introducing bills on:

    1. Single Payer Healthcare Insurance'

    2. Drug law reform

    3. Gay marriage.

    That I didn't know.

    Oh! Wait! He didn't introduce them.

    lol

    You can't claim to be a victim when you haven't been robbed.


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    28% of the votes, Jim. (none / 0) (#179)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Nov 08, 2014 at 12:36:06 AM EST
    If you can't handle that figure, who tell us who exactly you voted for who agreed with your stands on single-payer, gay marriage, the drug war, etc.

    As they say in Texas, you.'re all hat and no cattle when you can't tell us who supported those positions, or even who you voted for 2 years ago because it clearly wasn't Obama, ans Romney didn't agree with your stances on these issues.

    I'm beginning to feel sorry for you, as you seem to have lost the narrative of the perfidious Reid always invoking closure and always silencing Republicans from further debate, except in 28% of the votes who they weren't silenced.

    Thanks in advance for your efforts, if any, in explaining how a social librul votes for Republicans who aren't for gay marriage, ending the drug war, and providing single-payer health care.

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    A good paraphrase (none / 0) (#164)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 02:29:26 PM EST
    of the late Daniel P Moynihan.

    Parent
    And Harry sat on more than 100 (none / 0) (#170)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 05:00:57 PM EST
    bills that the Repub House passed and refused to introduce them.

    Those are facts.

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    It's going (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:46:39 AM EST
    to be a regular comedy fest. Buckle up and get ready for the laughs and make sure your cows don't show up at the polls. LOL.

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    Obama doesn't get it (none / 0) (#4)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:07:03 PM EST
    Did anyone listen to his press conference?  You'd think he won last night.   I guess if you think Obama has done a good job this was good to hear.   For the rest of us it made us realize this guy doesn't care what we think.

    Even Chris Matthews has lost the tingle

    Obama has zero interest in governing.  He still thinks he's the guy that stood in front of the Greek columns.  

    Can't wait for 2016.

    The GOP (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:10:25 PM EST
    has no interest in governing either. So here we are.

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    Let me explain something (none / 0) (#10)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:15:14 PM EST
    We have a 2 branches of government that legistlate and control the executive branch.

    In order to "govern" you have to control at least one of them.

    Democrats controlled both in 2008 and 1.5 in 2010 and 2012.

    Republicans can't "govern" with 1/2 of one branch of government.

    Obama failed.  Not republicans.  Obama.   He chose to push a partisan agenda rather then one that ocudl win support of the opposition party voted into office.

    In fact he failed so poorly that the only legistlation of consequence he got passed during 2 years when he controlled both branches of government was the ACA which nobody wanted and still doesn't like.

    So let's discuss governing shall we?   Who failed?

    Republicans or the guys and gals who actually had the power to govern?

    Did the republicans fail to rubber stamp the policies of Obama?  You bet they did and they were rewarded for doing so with a majority last night.

    Now lets see if the president gets any better at governing and if the republicans do any good now they they have the first chance to do so in 6 years.

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    here's the (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:25:46 PM EST
    thing. The GOP's core belief that government can't do anything prevents them from governing other than handing over government money to their cronies.

    You don't get it do you? The GOP was never going to go along with anything they did. Mitch McConnell right off the bat said his goal was to make Obama a one term president. What Obama did that was wrong was try to be conciliatory to the GOP and beg them to go along with legislation which they were never going to do. Now if he had taken a page from Bill Clinton and started immediately lambasting them and talking about how crazy they are and how nutty what they are doing and broken their back then and only then would they have worked with him. The GOP did not recognize him as a legitimate president from the start. They don't recognize any Dem president as legitimate and believe that they are entitled to the office of the presidency since Ronald Reagan won in a landslide eons ago. They can't get into the 21st century and what is going on now because they're still stuck in 1980. And then you have the older segregationists who make up a large portion of the GOP base who don't want them ever working with a black guy and there you have what has been going on.  

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    Fair Enough... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:35:20 PM EST
    ...name three pieces of legislation people like that the republican party has passed in the last 30 years.  That hasn't been overturned in court.

    Patriot Act, Prescription D, Sarbanes-Oxley, No Child Left Behind, Iraq War Resolution, the Brady Act ?

    I can't think of one, but then again I am not making the claim they can govern.

    No lists of why they couldn't do this or that or how it Clinton's/Obama's>FDR's fault, legislation that people like, passed by the republican party in the past 30 year.

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    I don't like republican (none / 0) (#32)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:53:55 PM EST
    legislation because it's intrusive and destructive.

    Just like Democratic legislation, actually not as bad.

    That's why I'm a libertarian.   You point is not lost on me.  It's why I'm not a republican anymore.  I'd prefer exactly zero coming out of Washington.   Anything they do is inefficient and costs too much.

    All I'm pointing out is this false narrative that republicans can't "govern" is exactly that, false.

    You can't "govern" when you control just the House.  All you can do is be in opposition to the party that controls the other half of congress and the WH.

    Especially when the country gave you the house because they hated what the WH did when it had control of government and "governed".  

    I'd like to dissolve the FED.  Get rid of the EPA, and about 50 other government organizations so don't ask me to name productive republican legislation.

    Oh wait, I can think of one.  Emancipation.

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    Good--go split the logs (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 07:45:22 PM EST
    for building and level the paths for paving.  Good luck to you then.  The problem that you ultimately will face is how far you (or anyone) can go with the lack of community.  Uh huh ... do it yourself, take care of yours, and let everyone survive on their own (or with the occasional hand out.)

    Countries are based on something more than being left alone.  How sad for you.  

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    Emancipation?!? - Heh (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:36:41 PM EST
    You have to go back a century-and-a-half to name legislation that was opposed by conservative/Southern/"states rights"/Dixiecrats - aka today's Republicans?

    Heh.

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    No, No, No.... (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:29:21 AM EST
    ...you went on and on about how republicans can govern.  I didn't ask what party you were in, I asked you to prove republicans can govern and you come up with...

    ....drum role....

    ...an Proclamation, aka an Executive Order, from the 1800's.  

    Here I though, that you thought Executive Orders were bad,  maybe even illegal, turns out you think one of them is a grand piece of republican legislation.

    It's not, no one voted on it, Lincoln used his war time authority to declare an end to slavery.

    I'll give you a mulligan and 30 years to name a piece of legislation that is liked and the product of republicans. I mean seriously, should be a gimmie.

    Parent

    And that was only an end... (none / 0) (#140)
    by unitron on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:24:25 PM EST
    ...to some slavery, not all.

    Parent
    How far back are you looking? (none / 0) (#141)
    by sj on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:27:48 PM EST
    I'll give you a mulligan and 30 years to name a piece of legislation that is liked and the product of republicans.
    As much as pointing this out pains me, I find myself doing it a couple of times a year:
    Liberals in particular should see much to like in Nixon's accomplishments.  He recognized the People's Republic of China, created the Environmental Protection Agency, created OSHA to oversee workplace safety and comfort, created the Consumer Product Safety Commission, created Title IX for women's sports, added the cost-of-living adjustment to Social Security, and expanded food stamps and welfare assistance. He also supported the Equal Rights Amendment, though that failed out among the States.
    Pleeeease don't make me do that again. I don't like to say good things about that horrible man.

    Thank you.

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    The Equal Opportunity in Education Act was actually written by Congresswoman Patsy Mink (D-HI). That's why Congress specifically renamed that landmark legislation for her posthumously as the Patsy Takemoto Mink Act, in the days following her death in September 2002.

    It is known as "Title IX" because it actually refers to a specific section of the U.S. Education Amendments Act of 1972, to which Mrs. Mink's proposal was initially attached by Sen. Birch Bayh (D-IN) on the Senate floor as a rider. And while the law is well-known due to its obvious impact in the growth of women's sports, it should also be noted that Title IX provided increased opportunities for women throughout higher education, especially in law school and medical school, which prior to 1972 were seen as almost entirely -- although not quite exclusively -- male preserves.

    Sen. Bayh is listed as Title IX's co-author in the Congressional Record, because he initially introduced the Senate bill which ultimately became the vehicle for Title IX, had agreed to attach Congresswoman Mink's amendments at her request, and ultimately became her foremost proponent in defending those amendments on the Senate floor:

    "We are all familiar with the stereotype of women as pretty things who go to college to find a husband, go on to graduate school because they want a more interesting husband, and finally marry, have children, and never work again. The desire of many schools not to waste a 'man's place' on a woman stems from such stereotyped notions. But the facts absolutely contradict these myths about the 'weaker sex' and it is time to change our operating assumptions. [...] While the impact of this amendment would be far-reaching, it is not a panacea. It is, however, an important first step in the effort to provide for the women of America something that is rightfully theirs--an equal chance to attend the schools of their choice, to develop the skills they want, and to apply those skills with the knowledge that they will have a fair chance to secure the jobs of their choice with equal pay for equal work." (118 Cong. Record 5804-5808 (1972))

    But in terms of its actual substance, Title IX is almost entirely Mrs. Mink's work. She's listed as co-sponsor of the bill in the House along with Congresswoman Edith Green (D-OR), who stepped forward to become the measure's primary champion in that body because Mrs. Mink was not exactly admired by her colleagues universally at the time, due to her rather strident and vocal opposition to the Vietnam War. Speaking from personal experience, the woman was certainly no shrinking violet.

    In fact, when President Nixon enacted Public Law No. 92-318, 86 Stat. 235 in June 1972 at a White House signing ceremony, he spoke publicly to another provision in that legislation which was to be used to enforce desegregation in school bussing, a huge and controversial issue at the time that was then encountering a lot of public resistance. He actually said nary a word about those provisions in the bill which later became known as Title IX.

    I would further note that the NCAA originally went to federal court in 1975 in an effort to have Title IX struck down as illegal, offering the argument -- get this! -- that the law discriminated against men because colleges were ostensibly diverting monies from men's collegiate sports to fund women's programs. And for his part, Sen. John Tower (R-TX) attempted to convince Congress to repeal the law in 1975-76, in tandem with the NCAA. But through it all, Title IX survived. (Further, the NCAA would not formally incorporate women's collegiate sports under its organizational umbrella until 1981, five years after its lawsuit was dismissed.)

    In order to see Title IX enacted into law during the spring and summer of 1972, Patsy Mink was compelled to take a back seat while others steered its passage. In fact, while her amendments were being debated in Congress, she was busy running for the 1972 Democratic presidential nomination -- to the LEFT of Sen. George McGovern. This was one woman for whom fire and passion burned brightly until the day she left us, and I believe that we could certainly use a few more like her today.

    "What you endure is who you are. And if you just accept it and do nothing, then life goes on. But if you see it as a way for change, life doesn't have to be this unfair. It can be better, maybe not for me because I can't change the past, but I can certainly help somebody else in the future, so that they don't have to go through what I did. [...] I've run many, many times, and I've lost many times. But I've never given up the feeling that I as an individual and you as an individual can make the difference."
    -- Congresswoman Patsy Mink, addressing the 1996 Democratic Convention

    Disclosure: I worked for Congresswoman Mink on Capitol Hill in 1995-96 and quite obviously, I remain an unabashed fan of hers. She taught me a lot about personal dedication to public service during my two years with her, and she will always hold a very special place in my heart as one of my most admired American heroes.

    Aloha.

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    Here's an interesting postscript: (none / 0) (#166)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 04:15:32 PM EST
    Immediately after President Nixon signed the U.S. Education Amendments Act (with Title IX) into law at that White House ceremony on the morning of June 23, 1972, he returned to the Oval Office.

    About 20 minutes later, Nixon held that infamous meeting with H.R. "Bob" Haldeman which ultimately produced the "smoking gun" in the Watergate scandal, by which the president and his chief of staff were recorded on tape commencing active efforts to obfuscate the White House's involvement in the break-in at the Democratic National Committee HQ only six days earlier.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Thank you (none / 0) (#167)
    by sj on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 04:31:34 PM EST
    That's one less liberal accomplishment of the Knave Nixon.

    Parent
    "Intrusive" (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:40:21 PM EST
    please.

    I've lived with five decades of Libertarian philosophy-inspired putzes intruding on my clean, air, water, and soil and then expecting the rest of the country to foot the clean-up bill and the pay the medical bills for all the birth defects and cancers.

    Parent

    Well (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:15:59 PM EST
    if you prefer zero coming out of Washington then you're probably going to be pretty happy for the next two years.

    Parent
    Medicare Part D (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 09:14:26 PM EST
    ... and has since proved a budget buster, adding $318 billion to the federal debt by 2012.

    Parent
    Medicare part D (5.00 / 4) (#82)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:26:43 AM EST
    forbids the government to negotiate with the pharmacy companies to use their purchasing power as a purchaser of great quantities of drugs to lower the cost of said drugs, as the VA does in this country every day of the week.

    A great Republican health care reform.</s>

    Parent

    Socialism for the rich is the GOP mantra (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:16:32 AM EST
    Wouldn't want to introduce capitalist competition into a seller's market, would we now?

    The ironies are endless.

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    If that's a health care "triumph" (none / 0) (#115)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:29:06 AM EST
    I'm certainly glad they won't be able to do anything until 2017 at the earliest.

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    Arguable... (none / 0) (#109)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 10:16:51 AM EST
    ...in that it doesn't effect around 85% of the population.

    Got two more ?  I am giving you 30 years.

    Doesn't matter, I think my point is crystal clear.

    Republicans are celebrating a victory knowing damn well they elected people who cannot govern, who have no legislation that people like, including the ones that elected them.

    Republican are very good at message and getting elected, not so much when it comes to actually doing the job.

    So what is in our future, no immigration legislation, a probable impeachment run for the guy who does what they won't, and of course, two more years of trying to repeal ACA, never mind the guy holding the veto pen will never repeal the legislation bearing his name.

    What a victory for America.  Maybe, just maybe they will oppose Obama's Middle East adventure is the only silver lining in all of this.  But I doubt it.

    Parent

    that is one of (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by sj on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:37:06 PM EST
    the most twisted views of how government works that I've seen in a while.

    Parent
    Twisted? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:49:29 PM EST
    I'm twisted?

    What's twisted is pretending it's the republicans fault that Washington is dysfunctional (I love it because a functional Washington is a bad Washington).

    First of the president sets the direction of the cournty as he receives the largest vote a a vote from all Americans.

    Congress is the buffer to a monarchy and controls the purse.

    Together they make law and so it goes.

    This talking point that the party controlling exactly 1/2 of one part of government was at fault for the goings on in Washington was an excuse for poor presidential leadership.

    Now we have equal powers.  Republicans in congress and a Democrat in the WH.  

    Let's see what happens.  

    One problem is the president made it clear today that he's not interested in doing anything but pushing his tired agenda.

    I'm sure that will be the Republicans fault now.

    Parent

    Yes, that view is definitely twisted (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:54:12 PM EST
    Now mind you it is not mutually exclusive with other twisted issues, but your view of the governing process is... odd.

    Parent
    Will Congress support the President's (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 06:01:31 PM EST
    vow to request funds to fight ISIL?  

    Parent
    Rugged individualism (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 07:49:14 PM EST
    Heck, maybe slado will defend his own land & home.  After all, who needs government...as he indicates.

    Parent
    I would (none / 0) (#61)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 07:46:30 PM EST
    be very surprised - and delighted - if they refused support for this war.

    But - seeing as how it was their idea in the first place - I see them going merrily along.

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    If what (none / 0) (#13)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:21:52 PM EST
    you say is true, that the GOP has no interest in governing, I can only say HOORAY!

    Let them concentrate on fattening their wallets for the next couple of years - and pass no legislation whatsoever. Let them do absolutely nothing. NOTHING! A dream come true.

    I suspect that 2016 will be a disaster as well. But I'll lift my head up slightly to observe the festivities.

    In the meanwhile, I'm headin' for Alaska.

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    There is a serious arguemtn (none / 0) (#16)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:26:11 PM EST
    That your sentiment is exactly what the country voted for last night.

    Gridlock = Good Government

    I think most Americans like to say they want government to "work" but mostly prefer little more out of Washington.

    Local government should do most of the work.  Feds need to do a lot less.

    Parent

    Honestly (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:56:59 PM EST
    i don't think it was as much anti government as it was anti Obama.  This election was about Obama.  That was their one and only message - stop Obama, vote me me; I'm not Obama and my opponent actually once touched Obama.   And it worked.
    Right or wrong there is no denying it.

    Parent
    I suppose that (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:51:32 PM EST
    this may be an oversimplification, but all I see the Federal government doing is picking our pockets, poking their noses into our personal lives, and sending us to war.


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    Exactly!!!! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:57:09 PM EST
    It's why I'm a libertarian now.

    Good policy is made locally by your mayor and sometimes your govenor.  

    We don't need the Feds to do what states seem to be able to do quite well on their own.

    Look at minimum wage.   I have no idea with localities passing it (even though it's a bad idea) because it doesn't affect me.   It's not being forced on all Americans.  

    That's what the Feds do repeatedly.   They try to solve local issues with big federal programs and it almost never works, and even if it does it costs way to much to do it.
     

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    Actually, it does (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:04:49 PM EST
    Look at minimum wage.   I have no idea with localities passing it (even though it's a bad idea) because it doesn't affect me.

    The "Ripple Effect" of a Minimum Wage Increase

    In this month's Hamilton Project economic analysis, we consider the likely magnitude of the effects of a minimum wage increase on the number and share of workers affected. Considering that near-minimum wage workers would also be affected, we find that an increase could raise the wages of up to 35 million workers--that's 29.4 percent of the workforce. For the purpose of this analysis, we set aside the important issue of potential employment effects, which is another crucial element in the debate about an optimal minimum wage policy. We also continue to explore the nation's "jobs gap," or the number of jobs needed to return to pre-recession employment levels.

    That's something that definitely could affect you.

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    Minimum wage and pot (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:17:04 PM EST
    were the silver lining last night.

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    For someone who complains ... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:22:15 PM EST
    ... about "talking points", you sure do have a hit list of favorites.

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    Sounds like an old-fashioned frustated (none / 0) (#123)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:19:55 PM EST
    Southern States Rights boy to me..

    They never go out of style.

    We're still paying for Joshua Chamberlin's sins at Little Round Top and the Civil and Voting Rights Acts.

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    They don't. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:28:08 PM EST
    Exactly what are they going to do? If you go by their campaign it's just vote against anything Obama wants. So the minute Obama wants something they are going to say no. Gridlock and a circular shooting squad is all I see coming down the pike.

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    About the presser (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:12:55 PM EST
    i have seen the word aggressive used.  It didn't seem that aggressive to me but maybe that's because I would have preferred real aggression.

    Tweety lost the tingle a while ago.

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    More like "passive agressive" (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:19:24 PM EST
    I never believed the meme that he was an ego maniac but recently I went to DC to see old high school freinds and one of them has a wife who used to be an aid to a prominent Dem Senator and now is a lobbyist.

    She is all but finished with Obama.  She says he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is and never, ever takes advice when it disagrees with his personal feelings.

    I think that about sums up his press conference today.  In his own mind he's done very little wrong and if the American people aren't appreciative of his ideas or accomplishments it's because we don't understand them or aren't smart enough to realize he's right.

    His line about only 1/3 of Americans voted tells you all you need to know about the message he received last night.   In his mind the election was rigged and he is speaking for the 2/3 too lazy, disgusted or apathetic to vote.

    Awesome.

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    On the other hand (none / 0) (#21)
    by sj on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:37:13 PM EST
    A lot of this comment resonates with me.

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    sj... (none / 0) (#27)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:46:33 PM EST
    When you posted,

    A lot of this comment resonates with me.

    Was "this" meant to be a link to something?

    I would like to see it, if so.


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    Refers to: (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by sj on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:52:18 PM EST
    Was "this" meant to be a link to something?

    this

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    I would (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:49:31 PM EST
    say the part that Obama doesn't listen to anybody. Now that actually has a big ring of truth to it. Maybe that will work in our favor though and he won't sign the crackpot legislation that the GOP is probably going to be shooting down the chute.

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    I don't (none / 0) (#45)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:21:04 PM EST
    see Obama that way at all. I think he listens.
    I just think he just listens to the wrong people - from my point of view.

    Going ahead with the "war on ISIS" - is the latest example imo.


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    Ah...you wanted a mea culpa (none / 0) (#63)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:00:39 PM EST
    and, none was forthcoming ... nor should it have been.  On that score, the President has definitely recognized the importance of standing by his beliefs.  

    You win some; you lose some.  It differs in different years.  President Obama says the obvious that "The Republicans had a good night."  That is accurate; and, the correct thing to say.

    Too bad for you, slado, that the President took time to put things in perspective as he indicated that sometimes one is applauded and sometimes not so.  One does learn that over time.  (Heh...next week, we start to focus on the Repubs legislative proposals ... or is it tomorrow.)

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    Tweety also seems to (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:29:13 PM EST
    have lost his senses a while ago. .  Any analysis that asserts that the president plays only to "his constituency" is an analysis that needs to be passed over.   President Obama is the bulwark remaining against onslaughts of  political irrationality.  

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    Clarify please. (none / 0) (#26)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:42:27 PM EST
    President Obama is the bulwark remaining against onslaughts of political irrationality.

    I don't see him as much of a bulwark.
    I can't think of anything conservatives wanted since day one that they didn't get.

    And I can't think of anything that progressives wanted that they did get.

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    Lentinel, as I see it, (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:18:17 PM EST
    President Obama has been at the ramparts against the most irrational, if not flat-out crazy, ideas and policies of the Republicans.  Joni Ernst, for example, would like to arrest any agent enforcing Obamacare--not a wingnut somewhere in Colorado, but a US Senator-elect.  Now, more than ever, the legislation and policies threatened or actually sent to his desk will need a filter of reason.

    While not blindly loyal, I do believe that President Obama has served the "reasonable man"  role well with notable exceptions, for sure.  Some may feel that there is no difference and both Democrats and Republicans are just cut from the same cloth for all intents and purposes. But,  I am not one of them.

    The key to my clarification attempt is the word "irrational."   For example, not raising the debt ceiling is irrational politics--cutting off the proverbial nose to spite the face. Personhood amendments becoming law is irrational;  conception control and morning after bans are irrational.  Senator Ernst's thinking was already mentioned.

    Some may feel that  the President may be a weak reed to depend on over the next two years.  I am not at all confident that a grand bargain will not be struck on social security or Medicare (which admittedly is irrational policy based on data), but  I do feel that out and out crazy will be chilled or vetoed.  

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    I'm interested. (none / 0) (#47)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:24:08 PM EST
    I do feel that out and out crazy will be chilled or vetoed.  

    I look forward to that with eager anticipation and a degree of glee.

    (but I'll have to see it to believe it...)

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    That Barack Obama cannot simply... (none / 0) (#97)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:23:04 AM EST
    ...be the first Prez to speak real economic truth to the American People, that it is NOT FACTUALLY POSSIBLE for the federal government to go financially bankrupt, and for him to be unable to lay our easily and rationally why that is so, and thus REALLY change the course of economic policy in this nation (the only policy most people really vote on, or give up voting on), means he is, in a word, in this day and age, with what is needed by the American people in a leader, a FAILURE. IMO, he is a pathetically psychologically ignorant guy, who doesn't even seem to have an understanding of why his phucked up pleasers psyche keeps trying to please those who are nuts and will never do anything but hate him.

    Obama to me is just sad.

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    When (none / 0) (#22)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:38:45 PM EST
    Matthews accuses Obama of playing to his constituency, I don't know what he's talking about.

    What constituency might that be exactly?
    I honestly don't know.

    What issues does Obama represent that clearly distinguishes him from the opposition? I honestly don't know.

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    The fourth quarter (none / 0) (#49)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:35:19 PM EST
    can hold all sorts of surprises.  I watched the press conference ... actually, better than I supposed it would be.

    The immigration issue may be rapidly moving to either an Executive Order stimulus or some form of collaborative legislation.  Why?  Because it is very much in the interest of Repubs to start moving away from the hardline of the past as everyone eyes 2015 and the 270 electoral make-up.  The matter of business tax restructure together with infrastructure updating (& the jobs that would entail)--as presented during the press conference--should be appealing to the new Majority Leader for a number of reasons in this "fourth quarter" of the two terms.  In case you missed it, there was some deft agenda-setting while at once noting that the President would be awaiting their legislative proposals (spiced with a certain clarity about veto-expectations.)

    Don't kid yourself, the fourth quarter often produces quite a lot of substance in football and in the government. I'm fascinated.

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    They must have (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 06:00:08 PM EST
    forgotten what happened the last time they (the GOP) tried immigration reform. I guess if they do they are conceding that they are going to lose the 2016 presidential election.

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    Just run government like a business, (none / 0) (#5)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:08:26 PM EST
    and everything will be good.  Update the old Charlie Wilson's what is good for General Motors is good for the country, to what's good for the Koch Brothers or private equity firms is good for the states  

    Kansas Governor Brownback's found that cutting taxes reduces revenue, and that revenue is one side of the budget--the other being expenses. Voters liked the way he thinks and returned him to office.

     And, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn was turned out of office by wealthy former private equity CEO, Republican Bruce Rauner.  Rauner has good business ideas, too.  Reduce costs---make the State more competitive by reducing the bloated Illinois minimum wage ($8.25/hr) to the federal minimum wage ($7.25).  Or, better yet, eliminate the minimum wage altogether (a denial, but, ala Romney got caught on audio).  

    While Rauner will bring shiny new business ideas to his new job as governor of a blue state, he is not all that avant garde.  In fact, he is a little old-fashioned in a Chicago way--as a suburban resident, he needed to "make a call" to then Chicago Schools CEO, Arne Duncan (now US Sec of Ed) to get a daughter from his third marriage into Chicago's Walter Payton Prep School.  Rauner does not recall making that call, but he does acknowledge giving a $250,000 gift to the school afterward.

    But, then, Rauner may not have business and politics mixed up, after all.

    Kansas (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:11:35 PM EST
    was a surprise because that state is such a mess but then so is GA and Deal is going to be Gov for four more years unless he gets indicted.

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    Want a timeout from elections? (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:16:20 PM EST
    On radiation (none / 0) (#14)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:23:13 PM EST
    Did you like the bit about the new Xray machine in "The Knick".

    I liked the line when the administrator wanted an xray of his head and the xray tech said..."Should only take about 45 minutes or so" as he put his head up against the giant light bulb.

    Good times.

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 04:40:43 PM EST
     Remember the ones they used to have in shoe stores.

    This cartoon just popped up on my FBook page.with the point being isn't it terrible, can you believe, etc

    And it is terrible and hard to believe.
    Here's the interesting thing. I saw that cartoon broadcast when I was a kid.  Then I saw the cartoon broadcast when I was in Canada.  That and many many others that I grew up with but have not been broadcast in this country for years.  There are a few all animation channels and one seemed to specialize in the unbelievably offensive ones.  It's amazing how many there are.  Many I had seen.   Many not.
    I understand why Canada might get away with this.  They were after all the end of the Underground Railroad and we were the beginning.   But it would be nice if we ever evolved enough to show this cartoon in this country without worrying to much that many thought it was funny because it was true not because it is not.

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    OT, thought I would wish you an early (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by vml68 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:44:18 PM EST
    "Happy B'day", Capt.

    Was thinking of MileHi Hawkeye yesterday (his b'day) and remembered yours is on the 8th.
    Hope you have a great time!

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    I'm very touched that you remembered... (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 09:57:06 PM EST
    its my birthday, vlm!  Thanks!  Today is actually the "big" day.  

    Since I have no leave left, I had to work today, so the highlight of my day was a nice lunch with my work group and a nap when I got home.

    Would have rather been out enjoying the beautiful Colorado day, but hey, what are you going to do?

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    MileHi, so glad you dropped by. (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 01:37:30 PM EST
    It's been too long.

    And, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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    All the days out here are beautiful (none / 0) (#154)
    by christinep on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 10:45:36 PM EST
    --or, just about all the days.  A Thursday birthday really means a whole Week-End of Birthday.  Happy Birthdays, then, Mile-Hi!

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    Happy B'day, MileHi! (none / 0) (#155)
    by vml68 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:44:47 PM EST
    Good to hear from you. Haven't seen any comments from you in a really long time. Hope you have been doing well and your kidney is still treating you right!

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    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 02:34:35 AM EST
    And may you enjoy a great year.

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    Happy late birthday (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 07:55:03 AM EST
    It's weird I have about a dozen friends who have birthdays this week or next.
    Most of my friends, it turns out, are scorpios.

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:04:29 PM EST
    shhhhhh

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    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:08:58 PM EST
    and quit playing with that Ouija board. They're on verge of becoming illegal in Arkansas.

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    God knows (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:14:46 PM EST
    I would never do anything illegal

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    Vlm Reminded me to change my birthday (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:16:09 PM EST
    on FaceBook to avoid a flood of wishes and it won't let me.

    Damn FaceBook

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    Ohhh The Horror... (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:36:04 PM EST
    ...of too many people wishing you well.

    Well just add me to the SOB list, Happy Bday Pappy.

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    Just wait (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:47:51 PM EST
    no really.  Vlm remembered and that's nice.  People on face book don't remember.  They get reminded.  Most of them do it because they are prompted to.

    I'm cynical , I know.

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    I really do know it's vml (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 02:59:19 PM EST
    but the thing keeps correcting that

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    Happy Birthday, Capt. (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 07, 2014 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    I know that, as your birthday has arrived, mine is not far behind. IIRC, for the next couple of months you will be older than I. :-)

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    Interesting framing (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:22:12 PM EST
    the conclusion seems to have been reached on cable TV, even liberal TV.  If Obama does anything substantive executively on immigration he is "declaring open war" on republicans.  Heard that more than once.

    Interesting framing.

    In many ways, it is an open dare (none / 0) (#51)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 05:41:25 PM EST
    Given sheer numbers, the Repubs can no longer afford their previous hostile approach to Latinos.  Obama knows that; McConnell knows it ... and, as the clock ticks to the next Presidential election, McConnell & Boehner (and the wannabes) have to pivot.  They can count electoral votes per state and the constituencies therein.

    The only question: The timing for everyone?

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    NYT on increased Latino vote (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 06:09:55 PM EST
    for GOP candidates in some locations, including CO:

    link

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    It's a fascinating thing (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 06:14:41 PM EST
    is Mitch only being nice because he know Obama has to do this (executive action) and plans to use it as an excuse for doing a 180?

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    Who (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:15:12 PM EST
    knows with Mitch. He's pretty much a weasel. Though if Obama does an EO does the tea party start screaming that Mitch needs to start impeachment? Immigration reform is very, very unpopular with the Republicans.

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    They can scream all they want (none / 0) (#68)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:29:50 PM EST
    But I believe that the Repub leadership can count.  They cannot possibly miss the implications of continuing on their anti-immigration path heading into 2016 ... the implications are not unlike how the Repubs lost the African-American vote for generations as a result of their tone-deaf, ill-advised actions during the days of the 1950s and 1960s civil rights movement.  

    BTW, even in the several instances these past few months where my husband & I worked Hispanic-dominant precincts in and around Denver this cycle, we were impressed by the overwhelming numbers of responses along the "I vote Democratic" line.  There is still an opening for Mitch & the Boys ... but not much & not much time.

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    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:40:19 PM EST
    it's not going to help them in 2016 for sure. They're still going to have the same base and they are threatening to sit home if Mitch does any kind of immigration reform. I guess maybe Mitch or the GOP had decided to take a short term hit for possible long term gain?

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    In case you missed it (1.50 / 2) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 09:26:52 PM EST
    the Repubs won... without Latinos and without Blacks.

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    In case you missed it ... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 09:31:36 PM EST
    2016 isn't a midterm election - it's a presidential election year.  How'd that work out of their aging white-guy base in 2012 and 2008?

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    this kind of thinking has lost the gop (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:19:11 AM EST
    Numerois presidential elections over the past 22 years. Keep up the good work jim. Hillary will be sure to send you a thank you note.

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    This will certainly encourage (none / 0) (#83)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:29:08 AM EST
    African-American and Hispanics/Latinos not to vte in 2016</s>

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    Another factor.. (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:59:15 PM EST
    A lot of the Repubs deathly afraid of having their family blood lines contaminated by the bispanic and black gene pool will be dead by 2016.

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    Don't brag about it, Jim (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:12:25 AM EST
    More like... (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by unitron on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:37:49 PM EST
    ...the Dems lost because while the GOP got a good sized chunk of the pool of white votes possibly available to them fired up to actually show up, the Dems didn't get enough of their pool of white possibles fired up enough to show up.

    F'rinstance, it's being said that Wendy Davis didn't get the female vote, but what they're talking about is she didn't get the white female vote.

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    Per earlier projections by Latino Decisions (none / 0) (#64)
    by christinep on Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:09:24 PM EST
    The voters--even Latinos--were older.  Older Latinos, similar to older voters in general, track a bit more conservative.  

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    since i have (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:16:14 AM EST
    Insomnia i might as well pass this along. Crank up the popcorm poppers. The shootimg has already begon in the gop. Apparently mcconnell talking avout working withobama has gotten.lombaugh and levin riled to the poinft they are aiming their guns atmitch. Maybe ernst needs to start talking about how he is a mutant ninja turtle sent from the UN to destroy the country. I figured this was going to start but not this soon. The tea partiers are absolutely demanding that the gop toe the line.


    "How Republicans subvert democracy, (none / 0) (#113)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:14:20 AM EST
    and the Democrats' sorry dereliction..."

    As the Republicans take the Senate, these four reasons explain why the republic is in serious, serious trouble


    money is speech (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    money is speech, money is speech, and once again, money is speech.

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    One of the more humorous evaluations (none / 0) (#116)
    by CoralGables on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:45:03 AM EST
    of the medical marijuana ballot question in Florida where the measure needed 60% to pass but only managed 57% in favor, thus losing even while garnering nearly 500,000 more votes than the winner in the election for Governor.

    The opposition was financed by Las Vegas casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who gave $5 million to the "Vote No" campaign. Adelson demonstrated no similar interest in the pot initiatives in Oregon, Alaska or D.C. The difference, of course, is that Adelson is fighting hard to influence Florida legislators mulling over proposals to establish a limited number of destination casinos in Florida. So an election concerned with the sins of marijuana was influenced by an out-of-state billionaire wanting to franchise the sins of gambling.


    Silly Sheldon... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 11:57:11 AM EST
    does he have no clue how long people would sit at the slots if they could hit the vape while giving away their money?  Cha-Ching!

    Medicinally only, of course...

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    Missouri (none / 0) (#119)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 12:40:31 PM EST
    state judge rules state's ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional.

    State Attorney General has appealed to the Missouri Supreme Court.

    These people (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 01:06:12 PM EST
    are going to fight to their death on this losing issue. Same here in GA. The AG wingnut is spending a ton of money on this losing issue. Who says the GOP knows how to manage money? After looking at how they've spent money on this losing issue and then Bush you'd think no one would believe them on that account.

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    DSCC cancel ad buys (none / 0) (#139)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 04:31:14 PM EST
    for Mary Landrieu's runoff election

    A Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) aide confirmed the committee canceled buys starting Monday and running through Dec. 6, the date of the runoff, in the Lafayette, Baton Rouge and New Orleans markets. It's unclear how much of the committee's initial $2 million-plus reservation remains.

    The move underscores, and likely exacerbates, her underdog status in the race. But with Senate control no longer up for grabs, after Republicans gained a 52-seat majority in Tuesday night's elections, Landrieu's reelection fight has lost some of its urgency for Democrats.