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No Severance Pay for Officer Wilson

Ferguson officer Wilson has resigned from the police force and according to the Mayor, will not receive severance pay or other benefits.

Wilson, 28, won’t receive any further pay or benefits, and he and the city have severed their ties, Mayor James Knowles told reporters a day after Wilson tendered his resignation, which was effective immediately.

His lawyer said he resigned due to threats against the department. He doesn't have a new job lined up as yet:

“In terms of what it (the resignation) means, it means at this point he doesn’t have a paycheck,” Bruntrager said. “He has no income so he’ll have to make some decisions pretty quickly.”

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    Oh, the poor thing! (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 02:18:55 PM EST
    Neil Bruntrager, Darren Wilson's attorney: "In terms of what [the resignation] means, it means at this point he doesn't have a paycheck. He has no income so he'll have to make some decisions pretty quickly."

    Cue the violin music.

    People who resign are rarely (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Redbrow on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:40:57 PM EST
    given severance packages. Why is this being made out to be some kind of shocking scandal or punishment?

    sev pack (none / 0) (#19)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:48:26 PM EST
    and he has only been with the department about 3 and a half years -- so it's not like he was a lifer.

    Parent
    Maybe because cops care a lot about (none / 0) (#20)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:55:16 PM EST
    their pensions. I'm surprised there wasn't some kind of buy out.  If I was in Wilson's shoes I might try to stay in law enforcement but take a desk job in another state.

    Parent
    TRUTH (3.50 / 2) (#23)
    by Palli on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:10:43 PM EST
    The fear is not there are more Protests.
    The fear is there are more Darren Wilsons.

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    he didn't have to go (none / 0) (#44)
    by thomas rogan on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:08:17 PM EST
    He could stay on for years while the department tries to find some actual cause to fire him (as opposed to reprimand, retraining, or what other civil servants get).  During the whole time he would be on full pay on administrative leave.  Severance would have been a bargain.

    Parent
    Is this snark? (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:13:33 PM EST
    and if not, do you think he would have worn a target on his back?  Just to, you know, make it easier?

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    wouldn't have to patrol (none / 0) (#160)
    by thomas rogan on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:45:15 PM EST
    He could have spent five years with the department trying to fire him and his getting paid on administrative leave without ever once going out on patrol or even being allowed to return to work.  They should be grateful that he resigned.

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    Wingnut Welfare (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:12:57 PM EST
    You can't possibly screw up enough in Wingnut land to suffer for it.  You get a raise.

    How many examples do you need?  Zimmerman, Palin, Rove, anyone named Romney, McCain, GW Bush...

    As far as we know, the people who killed 4000 Americans and cost us $2T by being wrong about the WMD are still sucking at that government teat.  No one even bothered to ask about that.

    ITs sad that someone loses their livelihood (3.67 / 3) (#35)
    by leftwig on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:12:15 PM EST
    for simply doing their job.  Whats more sad is that his life and the lives of those he loves will be threatened for as long as they live.  What might be the saddest of all is the reaction of some here.

    Sadder yet, (5.00 / 7) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:26:31 PM EST
    is that we don't means-test for humanity in order to post here.

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    Simply doing his job (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:28:40 PM EST
    ITs sad that someone loses their livelihood for simply doing their job.

    If what he did that day was what he believed to be his job then he deserves to lose his livelihood and more.

    The guy is still indifferent, remorseless, clueless and worst yet walking amongst us.

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    I have to ask (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Slado on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:59:22 PM EST
    Do you in anyway hold Mr. Brown responsible for what happened?

    I can concede that its possible Mr. Wilson used deadly force improperly but simply put this was not a one way fight.  Mr. Brown based on the known facts began an altercation with a policeman after commuting a robbery.   Is this disputable?

    If we assume this then I simply can't fathom the base logic behind the vitriol so many have for Mr. Wilson.

    As I've said before this was a tragedy of circumstance where two parties collided.  

    If you cannot even consider the fact that Mr. Wilson was put in a tragic situation by the other party then to me you don't really want to know what happened or at least probably happened but instead want to cling to a version of events that fit a preconceived narrative.

    Even after everything we've learned we still have the hands up protests, the claims of Murder and the double talk of speculation and personnel attacks on Wilson because to admit that these things might not be true means we must admit that Briown might not have been an innocent party in this tragedy.

    We'll never know exactly what happened but it seems clear that we do know the original claim that Brown was gunned down for no reason  didn't happen.

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    I've yet to hear a good explanation (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:48:52 AM EST
    for what Wilson was supposed to do differently.  I've heard he should have let Brown and Johnson continue to walk down the middle of the road.  I've heard he should have stayed in his car and waited for backup.  Neither of those examples are what cops are trained to do.  

    I don't know exactly what happened but the evidence strongly suggests Brown was violent and  wouldn't listen to Wilson.  When you do that, and you're huge, you're going to eventually get shot.

    Just like in the Zimmerman case people chose sides immediately.  For some it was racial, for others it was political.  When the truth started to come out against what was initially thought, instead of admitting they were wrong, many people doubled down on their beliefs.

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    Do you think that all cops are trained to (2.67 / 3) (#64)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:01:21 AM EST
    approach the situation of two people walking in the middle of the street with "Get the fk on the sidewalk?"  Do you think it's remotely possible that cops are trained to go with the least confrontational tactic, a la, "Hey, guys - how's it goin'?  Could you move on over to the sidewalk - we really can't have you in the middle of the street."

    Brown and Johnson could still have responded as Johnson said they did - "hey, we're almost home," at which point Wilson still could have stuck with the calm approach, "I hear ya, but you know, your families would never get over it if I let you stay in the street and you got hit by a car or something, so let's eliminate that possibility by moving on over to the sidewalk."

    But, maybe that's not the kind of approach the good cops of Ferguson were trained to take in their interactions with the community.  Maybe they were trained to treat people like Mike Brown and Dorian Johnson like vermin.

    But here's what I know: the longer the interaction can be friendly, or at least not belligerent and aggressive, the less likely it is that things are going to head there.  Wilson, by all accounts, never considered the Officer Friendly approach, so we'll never know if the outcome would have been different if he had.

    Curious to know why it's always the citizens who are somehow expected to respond to cops who are arrogant and belligerent by being meek and compliant, and cops don't feel they need to be accountable for the consequences of how they treat the people they are supposed to be serving.

    Parent

    Do you know (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Ruby on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 08:55:26 AM EST
    that

    "Get the fk on the sidewalk?"

    is what he actually said?

    Parent

    Sounds reasonable to me. (4.00 / 3) (#86)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:51:10 AM EST
    From my experience with most cops. And I'm a white guy who used to live on a Harley.

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    yes, Officer DW was foul-mouthed (3.50 / 2) (#91)
    by Palli on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:03:18 AM EST
    There is video evidence of DW initiating contact w/ citizens using abusive language and plenty of Ferguson residents who recall it.

    Parent
    That doesn't answer the question (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Ruby on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:22:10 AM EST
    I really don't think law enforcement officers (none / 0) (#163)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:57:43 PM EST
    should be held to a higher standard than than civilians regarding how the former speaks the English language. Like, ya know. f*ck.

    Parent
    Normally employers require a certain (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:33:56 PM EST
    level of professionalism when someone is on the job.

    Somehow I can't picture a prosecutor in court standing and saying, "Hey fck judge, I object." Do you think that a prosecutor lacing his requests with things "Like why don't you get down from the fcking witness stand." would be tolerated by the judge in a court room.

    Wilson was working and not off duty.

    It might be good if we required law enforcement officers to be held to the same professional standards as other occupations.

    Parent

    Good point. I do hope (none / 0) (#165)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:41:34 PM EST
    Wilson's first request that Martin and ajohnson move to the sidewalk was phrased politely.

    Parent
    So what you're saying (4.20 / 5) (#94)
    by jbindc on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:07:47 AM EST
    Is that you have no idea in this case, that Wilson actually said that to Johnson and Brown.

    Got it.  thanks.

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    Words (3.17 / 6) (#72)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:15:21 AM EST
    from the lips of Dorian Johnson are here given the weight of Sacred Writ.

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    Compared to (4.20 / 5) (#161)
    by NYShooter on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:45:25 PM EST
    the duplicitous, cognitively bereft, thinly disguised, racist bile spewed by some sort of new drive-by mutant mob of naked trolls......

    "Sacred Writ?"

    That's about right, Talmudic even


    Parent

    Do you know that it wasn't? (2.67 / 3) (#107)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:22:59 PM EST
    There is someone who was there, who has testified that that is what Wilson said.  

    Problem is, his testimony doesn't support Wilson's version of the events, so he's deemed not credible - along with anyone else who testified who didn't support Wilson's claims.

    And it's these kinds of conflicts that, for many of us, suggested there would be value in having an actual trial.  It's hard to take seriously a grand jury conducted by prosecutors who served up factually incorrect standards for permissible use of force and waited weeks and weeks to advise the jurors they had made a mistake.  Jurors asking what this meant should not have been essentially told not to worry about it.

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    Do you mean (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by jbindc on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 08:17:54 AM EST
    It's hard to take seriously a grand jury conducted by prosecutors who served up factually incorrect standards for permissible use of force and waited weeks and weeks to advise the jurors they had made a mistake.

    Lawrence O'Donnell's claim that is now the leading meme on liberal sites?

    Yeah, he was once again, misstating the facts and the law there - too bad no one wants to do their homework on that.  Lawrence was all up on arms about the Wilson's defense based on Missouri section §563.046. Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest. which was ruled unconstitutional.  However, that wasn't what Wilson claimed; he claimed self-defense under another Missouri statute §563.031 - Use of force in defense of persons. BOTH were presented to the Grand Jury. So, even though the prosecutor made a mistake in presenting §563.046, it didn't matter as Wilson had another defense. Wilson never relied on the "arrest powers" available to him in §563.046, and in fact, did not even reference it.

    To Sum:  The Grand Jury did not choose to indict based on an unconstitutional statute that should not have been given to them.  They chose not to indict on a statute that is valid and which, by the way, even O'Donnell claimed  no error.

    So, basically, LO is just spewing half-truths and getting his liberal viewers and liberal blogs worked up about complete BS.

    Parent

    Do you think it's possible for you to (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 08:47:25 AM EST
    provide information and facts without assuming that the reason "the rest of the story" was not reported is all about the evil liberals?

    Okay, so can you perhaps explain why Wilson was chasing Brown, if not to arrest him?  If he wasn't planning to arrest him, what the heck was he planning to do - just have himself a nice run around the block with Brown?  Did Wilson think, "hey - here's a chance for me to get in some sprints!" or what?  Please don't tell me Wilson was protecting public safety, given his decision to start firing his weapon in a residential neighborhood where stray bullets could have struck someone.

    I will have to read Wilson's testimony - I just haven't had time to get through all this material - and maybe I will find answers there.


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    Sure I could (3.67 / 3) (#176)
    by jbindc on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 09:46:50 AM EST
    Except that people like Lawrence O'Donnell and the rest of his ilk at MSNBC (and subsequently, liberal blogs like Big Orange who have run with this story), aren't really interested in delving into all the facts that don't fit the narrative they want to tell.  Why you don't think they are as manipulative with facts as Fox News is for the righties is beyond me.

    Please show me where I said Wilson wasn't planning to arrest Brown.  What I said was he wasn't claiming his self defense was under the now unconstitutional Missouri statute §563.046 - Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.  There's a difference.  Wilson said he shot Michael Brown in self-defense. Which falls under a different statute - one that was presented for the Grand Jury to use in making its decison. Which Lawrence O'Donnell knows, or should have known before he went on his diatribe and putting out yet another false meme to those unwilling to do their homework.

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    What Johnson said WHILE UNDER OATH (2.67 / 3) (#112)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:10:18 PM EST
    Page 65, at the bottom Dorian again describes the initial interaction with Officer Wilson when he asks them to get on the sidewalk. "At the time the officer didn't really look like, you know, he was mad or he was telling us that we was committing a crime, he was just saying get on the sidewalk"

    Quite a different narrative then the angry Wilson saying "get the fuck on the sidewalk" that Dorian perpetuates when he is on script.

    Parent

    You might want to check out page 45. (4.00 / 4) (#115)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:48:33 PM EST
    lines 12 - 20.:

    12 When he got right directly on the
    13 side of us, the police officer Darren Wilson, when
    14 he got on the side of us he rolled his window down

    15 and he said, get on the sidewalk, but it wasn't in a

    16 polite manner, it was very rudely.

    17 Q: You can say whatever he said.

    18 A He said get the F on the sidewalk.

    19 Q That's the get the

    20 A Get the fuck on the sidewalk.



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    I don't know what Wilson said (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:22:52 PM EST
    but I do know that the medical evidence showed Johnson was telling us a lie when he claimed Wilson choked Brown.

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    Dorian Johnson never made that claim. (none / 0) (#127)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:34:07 PM EST
    But I guess your tendency to perseverate  guarantees that you will insist that he did long after everyone else has moved on.

    Parent
    You are wrong. And here's the proof (3.67 / 3) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:29:16 PM EST
    A No, ma'am, at this time when the door had
    9 closed back on him, he didn't say anything. His arm
    10 almost in an instant came out the window, his left
    ll arm, I remember it was his left arm, came out the

    12 window and touched Big Mike around his neck area and
    13 his throat.
    I watched his hands, you know, they
    14 really tightened up, so yeah, he had a good grip on
    15 it,
    that what's I saw first.

    Johnson testimony

    11 A That's one of the abrasions next to it.
    12 So his chin is up a bit; is that right?
    13 A Correct.

    14 You can fully see his neck in that

    15 picture?

    16 A Correct.

    17 Did you notice anything when you examined
    18 his body, was there any bruising of his neck?

    19 A No.

    20 Any abrasions on his neck?

    21 A No.

    22 Have you ever seen an injury, and injury
    23 to a person who has been choked?

    24 A Yes.

    25 Okay. Can you describe someone who has...

    21 If enough force is applied there, you
    22 can see hemorrhaging within the soft tissues of the
    23 neck and then also you have a bunch of structure

    ME Testimony

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    Just keep perseverating, jim... (3.83 / 6) (#138)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:43:46 PM EST
    you and Redbrow and whitecap the rest of the white-hoods...it would just be nice if you could host the meetings at your place and not here, every damn day.

    Parent
    You have crossed the line (2.80 / 5) (#139)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:54:48 PM EST
    By resorting to calling those who disagree with you KKK. You should be banned.

    The fact that you resorted to such vile racism is proof you have no legitimate argument.

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    Oh, bite me, Redbrow...every day, (4.22 / 9) (#154)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:21:47 PM EST
    in every open thread and Wilson-specific post, we have been treated to an ongoing vilification of any- and everyone who happens to have brown skin.  We've been graced with a litany of comments from people who consistently blame the black community for whatever problems it has, for the targeting by white cops.  We have jimakappj - perhaps you've seen his personal blog, the one that has featured a photoshopped image of Obama-as-witch-doctor?  

    This isn't about me resorting to vile racism, it's about be reacting to it.  I don't like it, and I'm not in the mood to keep being nice about the onslaught of it here.

    And don't even try to pretend that you just want to discuss things - your troll ratings of people pointing out the egregious behavior of grand jury prosecutors, and anyone who doesn't buy the garbage that Darren Wilson, Bob McCulloch, and the Keystone Kops he seems devoted to, have been selling, say otherwise.  

    You want to dog-whistle your way through these threads?  Have at it.  But, best pull up your big-boy pants and be prepared to be called out on it.  

    Parent

    It is Pretty Obvious (5.00 / 3) (#156)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:36:26 PM EST
    that Jeralyn has been too busy to monitor her blog recently.  Usually the level of personal attack in both the global warming and Ferguson discussions would not be allowed to get as far as it has.

    Parent
    Looks like someone else (4.20 / 5) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:38:23 PM EST
    needs some big boy pants

    Parent
    Go girl (4.20 / 5) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:33:24 PM EST
    Bravo! (4.20 / 5) (#162)
    by NYShooter on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:48:14 PM EST
    It's about time.

    Parent
    Lordy (4.00 / 4) (#140)
    by sj on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:20:53 PM EST
    what people call "proof".
    The fact that you resorted to such vile racism is proof you have no legitimate argument.
    Anyone who reads for content would laugh heartily(if incredulously) at your accusations of racism against another.

    But whatever. I just wish you guys would meet somewhere else.

    Oh, and may I introduce you to Mr. McBain? I think she will fit in nicely. You appear to have a great deal in common.

    Parent

    Meeting? (2.67 / 3) (#142)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:56:16 PM EST
    I am not here to meet anyone. I do not even know the people that I am being accused of being in cahoots with as KKK members.

    This is a thread discussing a specific case on a blog dedicated to discussing legal matters.

    I will leave it to Jeralyn to tell me what or what I am allowed to discuss or participate in, not unhinged racists who assume posters are white conservatives and therefore KKK members,

    Parent

    Don't be absurd (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by sj on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:22:16 PM EST
    I am not here to meet anyone.
    Of course you are. We all are. We don't come here to speak to a silent, unanswering wall.

    And it's a big leap from my saying I wish you would meet somewhere else to pretending that I (or anyone other than Jeralyn) "allow" anyone to speak their mind herein -- no matter how small that mind might be.

    But then again, unjust and unwarranted accusations and insinuations are kind of your stock in trade. As are the shocked exclamations when you are called on it.


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    In other words (1.67 / 6) (#147)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:26:23 PM EST
    "We don't like your kind around here, boy"

    Hmmm. Where have we heard something like that before?

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    boy? (4.00 / 4) (#148)
    by sj on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:34:03 PM EST
    We don't like your kind around here, boy
    boy??? You can keep your verbal Malatov cocktail, thank you very much. What an ugly racist thing for you to say. Are you a racist?

    Again, I wish you would keep your verbal putrescence to yourself -- but that is only my wish and not my call. You were correct in that statement earlier.  

    Parent

    So you are fine with (2.33 / 3) (#149)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:57:47 PM EST
    Vile racist KKK imagery when it was directed at me and others. But when I point out that you, Anne and others are resorting to vile KKK style tactics in an effort to intimidate, bully and make those who disagree with your little clan feel marginalized and unwelcome I am the bad guy?

    Got it, hypocrite.

    Parent

    You're the little troll who (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:43:53 PM EST
    gave me a "1" rating for...posting an excerpt from the GJ testimony of Dorian Johnson telling the prosecutor that Wilson said, "get the fk on the sidewalk."  Who concocted a ludicrous hypothesis that most people lie when first questioned.  Who troll-rated me for pointing out that the prosecutors deliberately misled the jurors by planting in their heads a standard for permissible use of force that had been ruled unconstitutional years ago.

    Who has systematically been marching up and down the blog down-rating anyone whose comments discuss reasons why Wilson should have been charged.

    Enough of your pathetic, mewling accusations of others being hypocrites, and your fake sincerity about wanting to discuss things: no one's buying it except those who share your John Birch Society-style beliefs...

    Parent

    Hey Capt Howdy (none / 0) (#150)
    by sj on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:25:02 PM EST
    Here is a an almost inspired example of what I was talking about here when you were opining about logical fallacies. Although he doesn't use the term "ad hominem".

    She just finds a way to present himself as a victim. All while throwing verbal Malatov cocktails.

    And he does it so naturally. Amazing. I imagine it took her a lifetime to acquire that level of skill.

    Parent

    Been here, what (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 08:41:01 AM EST
    2 days?  And he's telling us what the "lines" are.

    Pfft

    I got yer lines right here pal

    Parent

    Anne, I just gave you what (none / 0) (#195)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:51:26 PM EST
    the GJ testimony was from Johnson and the ME.

    You can deny but you can't change.

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    Johnson never said (none / 0) (#143)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:57:06 PM EST
    .. he choked him.

    That's merely your characterization of what he actually said.  Buy I guess if you want to just make it up ...

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    Johnson claimed that he had a firm enough grip (none / 0) (#145)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:18:23 PM EST
    Around  Brown's throat to pull the nearly 300 lb man through a car window. The amount of force required to perform such a feat of strength would have choked brown and left visible marks if it were true.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#151)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:33:59 PM EST
    Would the same apply to gripping someone by their shirt, in their "neck area", which is what Johnson actually testified to?

    Parent
    Wrist or shirt (none / 0) (#152)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:46:38 PM EST
    Johnson claimed that he had a firm enough grip

    I don't think you get it here.

    Wrist or shirt -- take your pick.

    Wilson himself said that he had a tight grip on Brown's wrist with his left hand in his ABC interview and he wasn't going to let go -- and then the gun went off which was in his right hand.

    Did you miss it???

    Whether wrist or shirt he had a hold of it when he fired and hit Brown.

    So there goes the myth of the struggle for the gun in the Tahoe. That runs counter to every BS statement we've heard from you looney tunes about about an alleged struggle in the Tahoe for the gun.

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    Unless Wilson had complete control... (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by unitron on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 07:45:59 AM EST
    ...of both of Brown's hands and arms, I don't think we can dismiss the possibility of a struggle for the gun.

    Parent
    It is common for a witness (1.00 / 4) (#116)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:52:36 PM EST
    To start testimony by repeating a lie before finally coming around to telling the truth.

    Parent
    You know this from personal experience, right? (4.00 / 4) (#118)
    by Angel on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:02:31 PM EST
    I have never been a witness (1.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:26:58 PM EST
    Let alone lied under oath. Why would you assume such a thing? You don't know me!

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    Then why are you saying that about Johnson? (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Angel on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:33:13 PM EST
    You don't know him.  You don't know if he was or was not telling the truth. Your comment history here tells me all I need to know about you.  


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    It is right there in black and white (2.33 / 3) (#137)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:30:22 PM EST
    He is either lying about one version or the other.

    Dorian johnson is also a convicted liar. He plead guilty to making a false statement to police in a 2011 case.

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    We are getting to (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:21:26 AM EST
    He should backed up his Tahoe (none / 0) (#65)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 07:42:33 AM EST
    then put it in Drive and followed Brown along the street and then if he kept running keep following in the Tahoe. Streets and parking lots run throughout that area wrapping around every building. So he could have kept him in sight without ever getting out of his vehicle.

    And Brown wasn't going very fast or very far without shoes and with a bullet in him.

     And remember Wilson had buddies on the way -- so why the rush to pull the trigger???

    7 seconds from calling dispatch and not even telling them that shots had been fired, he begins to pump his last 10 bullets into Brown finishing in another 7.

    What was the big rush -- was he embarrassed to face his buddies about what had happened at the Tahoe and had to cover it up by finishing it off???

    Please -- anyone who did what he did and afterward claims that he would have done it again is a moron who should never have been given a gun and a badge -- and never should have one again.

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    Chip, your cop hatred is showing through. (1.00 / 2) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:38:30 AM EST
    1. You have no reason to define the police responding to the scene Wilson's "buddies."

    None. You are just making things up.

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    I look at the I-would-have-done-it-again (none / 0) (#69)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:05:40 AM EST
    comments as almost required - to say that he would have done something different implies that what he did the first time was wrong, and I don't think he could take the risk of the can of worms that would open.

    A better answer to the question of whether he would have done it the same way if he'd known how it was going to turn out would be, "I don't know.  The reality is that I didn't know how it was going to turn out, so I'm not sure how it helps anything or anyone to say I would or I wouldn't.  I didn't go into this with the intention for anyone to die, and that wouldn't change no matter what."

    And while I'm not willing to use the word "moron," I can say that, in my opinion, Wilson demonstrated terrible decision-making skills, made worse by a personality that seems unsuited for police work.

    I'm still trying to figure out why any network would shell out a payment well into 6 figures, so that Wilson could deliver a story as predictable as the sun rising in the East.  Has there ever been a police-involved shooting where something other than "I was in fear for my life" was offered as an explanation?

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    And your evidence... (none / 0) (#130)
    by unitron on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:50:18 PM EST
    ...that any network paid Wilson anything is what, exactly?

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    Will this do? (none / 0) (#134)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:21:41 PM EST
    ABC offered Darren Wilson a "mid-to-high" six-figure payment to give his first and only public interview on the network, according to the website Got News. An unnamed source from NBC reportedly told the website that both networks engaged in a bidding war to score the first interview with Wilson but NBC backed out after its rival "upped the ante."

    Link

    You don't really think he did it for free, do you?  

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    Both ABC and Wilson have gone on the record... (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by unitron on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 07:48:25 AM EST
    ...that there was no payment.

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    thanks for the update - I was not aware of (none / 0) (#173)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 08:33:19 AM EST
    this at the time I posted the link.

    Now, we just have to decide if we believe ABC and NBC... </snark>

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    Oh, not just what "he" believed (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by leftwig on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:05:42 PM EST
    was doing his job.  I suggest reading the FBI interviews of the witnesses.  The Feds knew from the beginning who was telling the truth and they know which stories held up to the evidence.  

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    Everything about this case is sad (none / 0) (#41)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:42:05 PM EST
    Wilson's life will never be the same but I'm not convinced he can't continue to work in law enforcement somewhere.  

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    Maybe Academi, formerly known as (none / 0) (#42)
    by Anne on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:56:08 PM EST
    "Xe" and before that, "Blackwater," would be a good place for his, er, skills.

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    Something tells me (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:03:17 PM EST
    you don't get far in Blackwater calling rosy cheeks "injuries"

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    Rosy Cheeks: (none / 0) (#158)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 08:08:22 PM EST
    Michael Brown: black belt master of Shirley Temple style Kung Fu.


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    Lemmings over the cliff (2.50 / 4) (#168)
    by whitecap333 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 07:35:42 AM EST
    Some phenomena defy rational explanation.  Why are "progressives" cheering on Obama as he associates himself ever closer to the gutter politics of Al Sharpton & Co.?  The fact-free "narrative" contrived in an attempt to airbrush Michael Brown into an icon for "transformational change" is rapidly disintegrating.

    Joe Scarborough, this morning, again mocks the "Hands Up" myth.  CNN hosts are finding it increasingly difficult to bully their analysts into agreeing that the grand jury "got it wrong."  They, and Joe, have begun to realize that the broader public is reacting with anger and hostility to the violence and rhetoric the "Hands Up" agenda has occasioned.

    It has now been demonstrated, beyond reasonable cavil, that Darren Wilson recognized Brown as the likely subject of the Ferguson Market BOLO, and that Brown (with elevated levels of THC in his system), in possession of marijuana, and knowledge that the clerk had threatened to report his theft to the police, had reason to be combative.  

    There is more than enough in the record to support a reasonable belief that Brown attacked Wilson, fled, and then advanced on him in a threatening manner, ignoring demands to halt.  We have now had opportunity to observe Wilson under interrogation.  His boyish demeanor, and candor of his responses, leave little doubt as to who, between he and Dorian Johnson, is being truthful with us.

    The electorate that just expelled large numbers of "progressive" politicians from office, denied a voice in the media, will make itself heard in 2016,

    Setting aside the ... (5.00 / 4) (#177)
    by Yman on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    ... long list of silly, specious claimed in your post, what's up with the quotation marks?

    Seriously ... Was there some kind of fantastic sale?

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    I have another question (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:10:01 AM EST
    WTF is this person doing on a site called talk "left" except to troll?

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    I have no doubt (2.25 / 4) (#184)
    by whitecap333 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:16:37 PM EST
    that you, and several of your confederates, have succeeded, by your malicious invective, to bully others into silence.  That is unfortunate, because it has lowered the quality of discourse the site enjoyed during the Zimmerman affair.  All water off a duck's back to me, of course, and, until instructed otherwise, I will assume our host does not desire the site to become a self-adoration chamber.

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    BAHAhaha (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:57:13 PM EST
    "quality discourse".  You are hilarious.
    Stick to quoteing writers you don't understand.

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    They are for (4.67 / 3) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:03:44 AM EST
    "emphasis"

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    Those (1.50 / 2) (#180)
    by whitecap333 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:20:47 AM EST
    who have something to say, say; those who don't rejoice in pettifoggery.

    Joe returned to the Ferguson debacle near the end of the program.  He broke at laughing at Eugene Robinson--just couldn't help himself.

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    wow (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Yman on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:50:13 AM EST
    If Joe is laughing, then ...

    ... something.

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    Wilson wasn't interrogated, he was taken (5.00 / 4) (#191)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:46:30 PM EST
    gently by the hand and spoon-fed the narrative that would result in a no-bill; as for his "boyish" demeanor and candor, your description brings to mind one name: Eddie Haskell.  

    All we need now is jim to show up to inform us that your last sentence is code for, "The South Shall Rise Again!"

    Yee-haw.

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    I was referring (none / 0) (#201)
    by whitecap333 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:06:00 PM EST
    to the whining, emotive, accusatory questioning of Wilson on ABC.

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    You Didn't like the whining? (5.00 / 4) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:10:21 PM EST
    but you do so much of it

    Sorry

    I mean, you do so "much" of it.

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    According to FBI homocide statistics (1.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Redbrow on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:55:20 AM EST
    More people are killed by fists, hands and feet than by rifles and shotguns combined.

    "Unarmed" does not mean harmless.

    The blood trail is indisputable objective evidence that Brown was charging towards the officer and refusing to stop.

    Probably why ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:52:30 AM EST
    ... no one used the word "harmless".

    BTW - The blood trail does not provide "indisputable objective evidence that Brown was charging towards the officer and refusing to stop".  It shows movement in the officers direction.

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    Bloodtrail (none / 0) (#66)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 08:01:27 AM EST
    More people are killed by fists, hands and feet than by rifles and shotguns combined.

    So then people with fists, hands and feet should be considered dangerous and shot and killed by police???? That'll sure keep them busy.

    The blood trail is indisputable objective evidence that Brown was charging towards the officer and refusing to stop.

    Baloney --

    It's evidence that he was shot in the hand at that spot with his back turned and then turned around and put his hands out and up -- and then moved forward.

    The bloodtrail at 19 and 20 doesn't lie. It's there for all to see and for Team Wilson to drive themselves silly trying to explain away.

    And then there is projectile 17 laying over there all by itself. Wait until he starts talking.

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    The problem (none / 0) (#71)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:12:22 AM EST
    with that scenario is that we have several witnesses confirming that Wilson instructed Brown to halt and none, that I've found, who can affirmatively state he did not.  The most credible witnesses, moreover, so not support the "hands up while surrendering" claim.  Not that it makes the slightest difference what Brown may or may not have been doing with his hands.  No prudent officer would have allowed the 290 lb. Brown to close within lunging distance.  When the "Man" says "stop," you stop, period, end of discussion.

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    Bloodtrail (none / 0) (#84)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:33:43 AM EST
    with that scenario is that we have several witnesses confirming that Wilson instructed Brown to halt and none, that I've found, who can affirmatively state he did not.

    Wow -- so he obeyed the officer and was shot by him anyway. And yet Wilson said in his interview that he didn't know why Brown stopped.

    Not that it makes the slightest difference what Brown may or may not have been doing with his hands.

    So you missed the part of Wilson's testimony where he said that Brown put his right hand in his waistband and he fired at it there.

    Perhaps you or Wilson can explain how he was able to hit his hand there and yet miss his entire abdomen there by his waistband. How do you graze a hand in a waistband and it not hit him in the abdomen???

    The most credible witnesses, moreover, so not support the "hands up while surrendering" claim.

    You mean Wilson and two other unnamed witnesses while 16 say he did have his hands up as well as well as Bloodtrail witnesses 19 and 20.

    The blood trail on the ground does not lie. There was not a drop of blood for 153 feet from the Tahoe along the trail -- not one drop -- not one dripping. Detectives testified to that.

    And yet 19/20 shows a lot of blood curiously appearing  on the ground where everyone agrees that he turned around.

    He stops there with blood dripping from his right hand as the ground shows and experts agree and he then turns around as the blood shows.

    And as he turns around to face the officer the blood puddle moves by about 3 feet.

    The blood trail then goes out from that puddle to the right and then back as if he is putting his hands out and then up back towards his body.

    The blood brothers 19 and 20 are not black or white, Republican or Democrat, police union or black community, and what they have to say is indisputable.

    They are the most credible witnesses and they corroborate what the other credible witnesses at the scene testified to.

    And they ain't going away anytime soon.

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    I Still Don't Get Your Point (none / 0) (#89)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:54:59 AM EST
    Are you claiming that he was shot while standing at 19 and 20?  If he had stayed right there, instead of moving to where his body ended up, do you think Wilson would have kept firing?  I think it was clear to the jury that Wilson was justified in believing Brown was menacing him as the latter covered those 25 feet between the two points, or at least there is no chance of proving he wasn't a menace.  

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    RJ (none / 0) (#97)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:21:57 AM EST
    Are you claiming that he was shot while standing at 19 and 20?

    What does all the blood on the ground at that particular point there tell you???

    Especially when detectives testified to the absence of blood on the ground at any place along his trail before that point.

    Those two facts speak for themselves.

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    At Least I Understand Your Claim (none / 0) (#103)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:38:13 AM EST
    It is that the blood found at 19 and 20 was due shots Wilson fired at him while he was standing there.  I have to leave now so I will leave it to others to point out why your theory is so hard to swallow.

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    No -- just before that point (none / 0) (#105)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:00:46 PM EST
    It is that the blood found at 19 and 20 was due shots Wilson fired at him while he was standing there.

    No -- just short of there as so many other witnesses have testified to -- while still running with his back turned to Wilson.

    I'm sure it took him a few steps to stop his momentum, but that is where he indisputably stopped and stood for a second before then turning and standing again

    Markers 19 and 20 are indisputable witnesses to that.

    I will leave it to others to point out why your theory is so hard to swallow.
     

    They can't because 19 and 20 are not theories -- they are evidence that confirms the witnesses.  

    Let them chew on it for awhile because swallowing will be hard.

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    The Blood Spots (none / 0) (#153)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:49:19 PM EST
    There are three places where Brown's blood was found at the scene: At the police SUV where Brown sustained a hand injury, 160 further down Canfield Court at his body, and another 25 feet down Canfield at markers 19 and 20.  I interpret the lack of blood in between the three places to Brown having his hands in or on some clothing which absorbed it.  While turning around at 19/20, he apparently let his hand hang freely or moved it.  All of Brown's injuries were minor except for the shot to the forehead which according at least to Dr. Baden caused him to lose consciousness immediately.  Thus he did not receive that fatal shot at 19/20 but close to where his body ended up.  I do not understand Uncle Chip's reasoning that leads him to conclude that Wilson murdered Brown while the latter had stopped to turn around at 19/20.

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    They may want to (none / 0) (#166)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:43:49 PM EST
    recheck their map over there and make sure they have that sandal correctly placed:

    What the map shows

    What was on the ground at the Tahoe

    They should add a red marker at the door of the Tahoe for:

    @ Brown's blood on Wilson's left forearm

    @ Brown's blood on the front of Wilson's right hand

    @ Brown's blood/Wilsons fingerprints on the inside door handle of Tahoe

    @ Wilson's route back to the station to wash off blood and put gun in the bag

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    HaHa (none / 0) (#171)
    by RickyJim on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 07:53:04 AM EST
    Chip throws in the towel on 19/20.

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    Towel (none / 0) (#185)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:28:15 PM EST
    No --

    Wilson did that when he washed off the blood.

    I notice you quit posting your comments to me.

    Did you throw in the towel there.

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    Chip, See My Comment #153 (none / 0) (#197)
    by RickyJim on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:53:58 PM EST
    Since you never replied to it, I assumed you finally realized that your claims about 19/20 are nonsense.  

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    What it tells us is that (none / 0) (#122)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:26:46 PM EST
    Chip wants to confuse, conflict, pose, poise and, in general, claim that Brown murdered Brown and that the police engaged in this grand conspiracy, to protect him.

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    What it tells us is that (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:26:47 PM EST
    Chip wants to confuse, conflict, pose, poise and, in general, claim that Brown murdered Brown and that the police engaged in this grand conspiracy, to protect him.

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    Brown murdered Brown??? (none / 0) (#167)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:49:55 PM EST
    Chip wants to confuse, conflict, pose, poise and, in general, claim that Brown murdered Brown

    I think you are the one confused here --

    You should give it a rest, Jim  -- a long one.

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    I think you may have misread... (none / 0) (#131)
    by unitron on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:54:32 PM EST
    ...as I at first did

    "...we have several witnesses confirming that Wilson instructed Brown to halt and none, that I've found, who can affirmatively state he did not.",

     which would have been more clear if it said "...we have several witnesses confirming that Wilson instructed Brown to halt and none, that I've found, who can affirmatively state that Wilson did not instruct Brown to halt. "

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    Just channel surfaced (1.00 / 2) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:28:26 PM EST
    and stopped briefly on CNN where a black rapper named "Miller Mike" was commenting on the condition of our culture.

    I rest my case.

    Rest your "case?" (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:50:17 PM EST
    If this is your "case," I wouldn't be looking for a jury "verdict" in your favor.

    Why not rest your a$$ on the closest toilet instead (upgrade to indoor plumbing!) and stop leaving these steaming piles of excrement all over TL?

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    Anne, thanks again for proving (none / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:10:44 PM EST
    who you are.

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    What did he have to say? Or did you just flip to (none / 0) (#128)
    by Angel on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:38:37 PM EST
    another station after seeing who he was?  

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    I listened to his excuses (1.00 / 3) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:09:42 PM EST
    BTW - Love your race card.

    ;-)

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    What did he have to say? I'd like to know why (none / 0) (#135)
    by Angel on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:24:13 PM EST
    you dismissed him.  Was it because he's a rapper?  

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    He compared the killing of Mike Brown (none / 0) (#203)
    by Redbrow on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:10:58 PM EST
    To the Holocaust.

    I rest my case too.

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    He has nothing to worry about, his sympathizers (none / 0) (#1)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 01:40:39 PM EST
    will take good care of him.

    He is a young man. (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 01:50:42 PM EST
    Do you think he will be supported financial for the remainder of his life?

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    I'm guessing he will find a job (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by nycstray on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 01:57:33 PM EST
    via supporters that will financially take care of them. He prob has a step up on most unemployed folks . . . .

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    My prediction: correctional officer. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 02:18:16 PM EST
    He could also move (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 02:23:25 PM EST
    and quietly join a much larger PD after some time has passed . . .

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    Oh, didn't you hear Wilson says: (none / 0) (#16)
    by Palli on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:34:13 PM EST
    "I would love to teach people. I would love to give more insight on ... into the use of force and anything I can," Wilson told ABC. "Anything that I can get out of this career I've had so far and of the incident, I would love to give to someone else." Darren Wilson ABC interview

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    If so, this would be criminal (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 03:47:38 PM EST
    He is not, nor ever will be, psychologically fit to ever have a gun on his hip on the public till. Ever.

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    But you're probably right (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 03:49:27 PM EST
    The system is so corrupt, so incapable of humanity on any large scale, he'll probably end up bullying prisoners soon.

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    I don't know about that. (none / 0) (#36)
    by NYShooter on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:14:55 PM EST
    We've all heard stories about how inmates deal with certain types of prisoners: child molesters, and, such. Since the Darren Wilsons of the world are greatly responsible for the huge racial imbalance in our prison population I wouldn't think becoming a "correctional" officer would be the smartest career move on his part.

    And, then, there's this Karma thing: Since justice is so elusive on the "outside," it may just have found a way to sneak "inside."


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    Can't disagree (none / 0) (#90)
    by Dadler on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:02:35 AM EST
    And yet, it still wouldn't surprise me if he ends up in some job he shouldn't be in.

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    He will run for (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:08:05 AM EST
    political office in 2016.

    Any bets?

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    I like my money (none / 0) (#102)
    by Dadler on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:29:30 AM EST
    No way. ;-)

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    Why? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:18:22 PM EST
    Changed my mind. He is kind (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:20:15 PM EST
    of a Salman Rushdie of law enforcement now. A marked man.

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    You may be right. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:49:58 PM EST
    And somewhere below even that that would be hiring on to Sheriff Joe's Maricopa (Madness) posse.

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    He could change his name to Ben Ghazi (2.00 / 2) (#14)
    by toggle on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:20:59 PM EST
    And the MSM will never mention him again. Zing!

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    Oh, yeah ... (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:49:07 PM EST
    ... because we haven't heard about Benghazi ad nauseum for the past 2+ years.

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    Or I Ris (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 06:49:24 PM EST
    I'd imagine a book deal and some other (none / 0) (#8)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 02:37:34 PM EST
    endorsements would take care of him for a very, very long time.  Even so, what's to stop him from getting a job?  I have no sympathy for him.  None at all.  

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    He may have already gotten quite a bit of cash. (none / 0) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 08:27:07 PM EST
    ABC offered Darren Wilson a "mid-to-high" six-figure payment to give his first and only public interview on the network, according to the website Got News. An unnamed source from NBC reportedly told the website that both networks engaged in a bidding war to score the first interview with Wilson but NBC backed out after its rival "upped the ante." link

    An anonymous woman who gathered nearly 200,000 Facebook supporters for Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson says backers raised more than $500,000 for his defense.

    The money collected on behalf of the officer since the fatal Aug. 9 shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown Jr. could possibly swell to double that amount, the woman told MailOnline.com. link



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    That's just sick (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by nycstray on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:40:30 PM EST
    the paying for a 'news' interview.

    The raising all that money doesn't surprise me, judging by the comments flying around, many like-minded Wilson folks in this country . . .

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    Nothing new (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ruby on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:44:44 AM EST
    Both ABC and Wilson (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by bmaz on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:14:25 AM EST
    ...have specifically denied, on the record to CNN's Brian Stelter, that there was any payment. That linked Alternet story is based on a report from a quack by the name of Charles C. Cooke. It may turn out to be true, but there is no credible evidence of it yet that I have seen.

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    Thanks for correcting this (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:13:00 AM EST
    I read this claim several places but never read the denial.

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    New Fundraiser for Wilson (none / 0) (#85)
    by Palli on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:38:28 AM EST
    from Support Darren Wilson:
    "With the resignation of Off. Darren Wilson yesterday, we will be establishing a fund this week to hopefully replace the severance package he will not be receiving."

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    well, maybe not (none / 0) (#96)
    by Palli on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:14:46 AM EST
    Police Wives Missouri 2014 have just announced legal complications that prevent them from setting up the fund.  They want us all to "know that [they] are by no means saying the Darren won't need or doesn't need it, just that at this time , we won't be setting it up." They suggest everyone contact their local FOP chapter and they "will point them in the you in a great direction to help Darren". I suppose that is essentially saying send the check to him directly; the FOPs have the address.

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    LawyerS- what are the legal ramifications (none / 0) (#101)
    by Palli on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:24:41 AM EST
    this group is trying to work out re: tax and/or civil liability or any other problems ?

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    Be an awfully short book . . . . (none / 0) (#40)
    by nycstray on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:41:10 PM EST
    Pity party (none / 0) (#3)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 01:56:52 PM EST
    "In terms of what it (the resignation) means, it means at this point he doesn't have a paycheck," Bruntrager said. "He has no income so he'll have to make some decisions pretty quickly."

    Oh spare us all the pity party.

    His new wife works and he's sitting on a million dollars of Gofundme cash -- unless of course the lawyers got it all already.

    DW's wife, Barbie (none / 0) (#15)
    by Palli on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:30:28 PM EST
    has 12 years in the FPD.  But she will have to go soon too.  one look from a citizen and she will claim death threat. With their gifted income they can damn well buy their own health insurance to cover the pregnancy.


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    A million dollars? (none / 0) (#59)
    by unitron on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:43:16 AM EST
    Is this that fund that someone says might reach that amount in the future, or a separate fund in which right now today there are a million dollars?

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    Bruntrager vs Parks (none / 0) (#11)
    by RickyJim on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 03:56:06 PM EST
    Neil Bruntrager and Daryl Parks squared off on Chris Wallace's show today. Some of their inane remarks makes me happy that maybe this case will soon evaporate from the public's conscientiousness.

    Bruntrager - Claimed that a blood spot 25 feet from  Brown's body was the best proof of Wilson's innocence.  Waa??  It only shows that Brown turned around and headed towards Wilson.  Maybe Brown wanted to surrender.  

    Parks - Said that the reason that the Grand Jury returned a no bill was that District Attorney McCulloch signaled he didn't want an indictment.  I wonder what Mr. McCulloch promised them so that they did only what he wanted.

    Parks (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by whitecap333 on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 07:57:55 PM EST
    I just recorded Chris Wallace's interview of Daryl Parks.  The claim that Brown was attempting to surrender, with elevated hands, never left Park's lips.  When Wallace asked "What do you think is the strongest reason the grand jury should have indicted?" Parks responded "Well, Chris, I believe the strongest is the reasonableness of his so-called fear as Michael approached him."  He went on to claim that "other reasonable means" were available to Wilson to avoid the final, fatal shot.  He did not contest (apparently not having the benefit of Chip's analysis) the claim of Wilson's lawyer that Brown, as demonstrated by the blood trail, had doubled back towards Wilson.  He did assert that Wilson had fired on Brown, as he fled.

    I am just now working my way into the testimony of the witness who was thought to be the strongest for the "shot while trying to surrender, with hands up" scenario, the construction worker.  Looks like he lied so many times that the authorities finally read him his Miranda rights.  Interesting, that his conversation with Brown wasn't about Jesus, but how to concentrate THC.

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    I thought Dorian Johnson was the strongest witness (none / 0) (#34)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 08:52:30 PM EST
    for the hands up scenario? I'm only half joking. DJ is the one who gets quoted the most by the likes of Daryl Parks and Sunny Hostin.  

    Speaking of Sunny Hostin, why does CNN keep referring to her as a legal analyst? She's become some kind of black victim's rights advocate. I was hoping CNN would dump her after her embarrassing performance during the Zimmerman trial.  She used to be good, I don't know why she feels she has to be so one sided.  

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    I'm pleased (none / 0) (#56)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:29:59 AM EST
    to see Paul "Potato Head" Callan finally grew a spine.  He shocked Ms. Erin the other day by insisting the grand jury got it right.

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    Dorian (none / 0) (#63)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:55:40 AM EST
    is the hapless victim of a racist, heteropatriarchal, capitalist police state.  Only the morally odious would question his credibility.  

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    "Looks like"? - Heh (none / 0) (#37)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 09:16:25 PM EST
    I am just now working my way into the testimony of the witness who was thought to be the strongest for the "shot while trying to surrender, with hands up" scenario, the construction worker.  Looks like he lied so many times that the authorities finally read him his Miranda rights.

    You don't get Mirandized for lying to police during an investigation - you get arrested and charged.  What are the lies he told "so many times that the authorities finally read him his Miranda rights"?

    Ridiculous.

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    Do you (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by whitecap333 on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 10:31:43 PM EST
    lead with your chin like this in court?  Our "star" witness, the celebrated construction worker, was indeed "read his rights" under Miranda (Vol.12, p. 185.)  And get this:  "And then he throws his arms up and starts yelling 'okay.'  And within a couple of seconds the three officers came up and the one just pulled up and shot him."

    I'm still looking for info on this guy's helper.  It is said that he saw nothing.

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    And what have you got to offer ... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:05:54 AM EST
    whitecap333: "Do you lead with your chin like this in court?  Our 'star' witness, the celebrated construction worker, was indeed "read his rights" under Miranda (Vol.12, p. 185.)"

    ... in terms of professional credentials, that you can confidently lead with nothing more than your big mouth?

    FYI, that construction worker swore an oath to tell the truth in front of the grand jury, before he testified. (Volume 12, p. 149). That's not the same thing. In fact, nowhere on p. 185 -- or anywhere else in this witness's testimony, for that matter -- does anyone refer to this witness having been "Mirandized." The only witness who'd be read his rights would be a material witness, likely to occur when that person is also a suspect. How is this particular witness a suspect?

    Do you understand the difference between swearing an oath to tell the truth in a legal setting, and being read your rights?

    There was absolutely no reason for you to have insulted Yman personally like that, particularly when it's readily apparent that he's right and you're quite wrong. You obviously did not read this witness's testimony in its entirely.

    In fact, were I a betting man, I'd wager that you haven't read Volume 12 of the grand jury proceedings at all, and that you're likely reposting something you read in another blog, in which this witness's particular statement is taken completely out of context. If you're going to cite one single statement on page 185 of Vol. 12, you really ought to read the rest of his testimony regarding the actual shooting, which actually takes up about 25 pages.

    Why are you so vested in this case, to the point of utter obnoxiousness? This man was an eyewitness to an event which you did not see happen. Further, he was also caught on video at the scene, so there's no doubt that he was there. And since you weren't, you also have absolutely no business calling this man a liar, too.

    You really do need to get a life.

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    Miranda (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:21:35 AM EST
    Vol. 4, page 221:

    Q: All right.  And they brought you into Clayton and they put you in an interview room and they actually read you your Miranda Rights and they talked to you; is that right?

    A: Yeah.

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    Correction (none / 0) (#58)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:04:15 AM EST
    Vol. 12, page 221.

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    Miranda (none / 0) (#75)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:33:23 AM EST
    If they mirandized him then they had to have mirandized everybody.

    Here is his cross examination:

    Volume 12

    The prosecutor badgers him because he didn't tell investigators that Brown had a bag of marijuana.

    Really!!!! It's not like they couldn't and didn't find the marijuana on him themselves and his stating so would have been so material to the investigation.

    And then she badgers him about assuming that he saw Wilson empty his weapon. Really!!! He fires a final barrage of 10 shots after firing some earlier -- and that is not a reasonable assumption.

    And we're still not sure that he didn't empty his weapon. 12 shell casings found and Wilson is allowed to bag his own weapon as he magically finds one in the chambers which he drops in the bag.

    Really!!! Talk about assumptions --

    No wonder no one ever wants to testify or cooperate with LE and a whole lot of people black and white don't trust the police.

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    You can't glib (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:16:06 AM EST
    your way out of this.  Your "star witness" was "read his rights" by authorities investigating the Michael Brown shooting.  He self-destructed.  And I'm not saying he was the only witness suspected of perjury.  Actually, I suspect he had quite a bit of company in that respect.

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    star witness (none / 0) (#93)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:07:03 AM EST
    Your "star witness" was "read his rights" by authorities investigating the Michael Brown shooting.
    So what??? It may be common practice to get a witness to tell the truth to investigators.

    Was he arrested??? Was he charged???

    He was the only one who said that 3 officers showed up immediately afterwards and lo and behold he was correct.

    And he said that the officer emptied his weapon and lo and behold he proved to be quite accurate with atleast 12 shots fired -- and perhaps even 13 as we have yet to hear from projectile 17.

    That's hardly self-destruction especially when the prosecutor is intimidating you every step of the way.

    The only one that we know perjured themselves before the Grand Jury was Wilson himself who the prosecutor was serving softballs along with tea and cookies.

    He was there for hours and yet the only truthful statements he made were:

    "I shot ... and shot ... and shot ...and shot".

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    Police Mirandize people all the time (none / 0) (#108)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:39:01 PM EST
    When they don't know the extent (if any) of someone's involvement in an event or crime, they will routinely Mirandize them in case they make an incriminating statement.  For example, if they don't know who supplied the p0t in question, they could Mirandize anyone and everyone they think could have done it ... or any one of a number of other possible issues.  It is not evidence that the worker lied or perjured himself.

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    Looking in the mirror? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:40:39 AM EST
    He was indeed Mirandized.  He was not - as you claimed - Mirandized for lying to the authorities so many times.

    Maybe if you read more slowly.

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    Maybe he was waxing poetic (none / 0) (#49)
    by Redbrow on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 11:56:12 PM EST
    The cops?

    I want some the wax he was smoking that made him see three cops.

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    Time to put up that page (5.00 / 2) (#196)
    by fishcamp on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:53:16 PM EST
    of pictures of all the trolls.  Who had that great series of pictures?

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#55)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 03:25:40 AM EST
    that's what gave him a direct line to the Almighty.

    Man, we've got some sore losers here.

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    three officers (none / 0) (#67)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 08:30:40 AM EST
    And within a couple of seconds the three officers came up and the one just pulled up and shot him."... I'm still looking for info on this guy's helper.

    Here's your evidence that even the Prosecutor in his press conference admitted to.  I guess you missed that and the video at the scene that confirms it.

    It shows a  unit [Unit 24] arriving on the scene at 12:02:22 -- 8 seconds after the last shot was fired 12:02:14 and then another unit [Unit 25] arriving about 20 seconds later.

    The Timeline of the shooting

    I think that adds up to 3 -- what's your count???

    So you were saying????

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    Have you considered (2.33 / 3) (#73)
    by whitecap333 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:24:33 AM EST
    offering your "insights" to Mr. Parks?  He sounded awfully dispirited yesterday.

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    Wilson's lawyers (none / 0) (#190)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:42:36 PM EST
    I listened to Wilson's lawyers on radio yesterday. They said that the most important evidence vindicating their client were markers 19 and 20 showing that Brown came forward from that point.

    The host of course forgot to ask them to explain that if he came forth from there how come there is so much blood on the ground there and yet no blood for the 150 feet leading up to that spot.

    And then there is Dr Baden's testimony:

    Baden: shot from behind

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    I don't understand why Crump lets Parks do (none / 0) (#12)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:12:28 PM EST
    interviews?  It's embarrassing how awful he is.

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    Their Firm's Name is Parks & Crump LLC (none / 0) (#18)
    by RickyJim on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:40:58 PM EST
    So I guess that shows who the boss is.

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    It amazes me how successful those two are (1.00 / 1) (#22)
    by McBain on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:00:36 PM EST
    Shouldn't they have been disbarred after their Zimmerman shenanigans?

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    For what? (none / 0) (#60)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 06:38:37 AM EST
    They weren't even charged with an ethics violation, let alone one that would serve as the basis for disbarment.

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    Of course they weren't charged (2.50 / 4) (#99)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:23:29 AM EST
    that would have been extremely politically incorrect. The main problem I had with those two, plus Natalie Jackson, were the countless interviews where they, in my opinion, lied in order to gain leverage for a civil suit....

    • Rachel Jeantel was a minor child who was so sad after TM's death, she had to be hospitalized.

    • The police told GZ to stay in his car

    • GZ confronted TM

    Crump and Parks are smart.  They know what they can get away with.  I just wish someone would investigate how they handed, possibly manufactured, Rachel Jeantel's testimony in court and to the police.


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    Enough with (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by sj on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:25:39 PM EST
    the GZ cr@p. It was bad enough when it was actually happening.

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    There's an ethics code in FL (none / 0) (#106)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:17:03 PM EST
    I have no idea of what portion of the ethics code you're referring to, but you can't be disbarred because someone doesn't like what you've done, or because they believe you may have done something unethical and wish they would be investigated.

    The "manufactured evidence" allegation is also specious.

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    Thanks for cleaning that up (none / 0) (#114)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:44:04 PM EST
    I always thought lawyers could be disbarred simply because I don't like what they've done.

    Like I said, I wish there would be an investigation of Crump's involvement in the prosecution of GZ.... especially, in regards to Rachel Jeantel.  I know it won't happen but I'd love to see him deposed under oath and forced to answer tough questions.  

    I believe he, and his team, played a huge role in misinforming the public, which led to a ridiculous and unnecessary trial, which he profited from.  

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    Do you have any issue or problem with (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:53:09 PM EST
    the prosecutors in the Wilson GJ misrepresenting the standards for permissible use of force, and not owning up to the "error" until weeks later?  Or find it problematic that when they did finally own up to it, brushed off a request for more clarification?

    I mean, if you're going to get upset about the public being misled, shouldn't you be upset about a prosecutor misleading a grand jury?

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    My take on how McCulloch handled the GJ (none / 0) (#119)
    by McBain on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:07:14 PM EST
    is he never really believed in Wilson's guilt.  How is he supposed to aggressively prosecute someone if he doesn't believe they are guilty?  He should have declined to press charges but because of public pressure he kicked the can to a grand jury.  Once it went to the GJ, he did the right thing by presenting all of the evidence.

    I don't think the "error" made one bit of difference. The physical evidence backed up Wilson's story.  Had there been an indictment, we would have had another ridiculous show trial just like with GZ without any chance of a conviction. A trial wouldn't have made anyone happy.... with the possible exception of team Crump who could use it as leverage for civil suits. Is that what you wanted?

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    This of course is what happened (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Slado on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 05:12:33 PM EST
    But too many are invested in a narrative of racism and police misconduct so nothing is going to make them happy now.

    There was never going to be a conviction of any sort and I really don't understand the attitude of the family and other activists that a "trial" would have made anything better.   Dragging this out while Wilsons defense lawyers tore through the case of the prosecuter?    

    To me that would have made things worse and dragged this tragedy out indefinitely.

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    It will be interesting if there's a civil trial (none / 0) (#188)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:35:53 PM EST
    It's my understanding the rules of evidence are different that a criminal trial and you can dig deeper into someone's past.  

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    That's the nice thing ... (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Yman on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 04:48:48 PM EST
    ... about "wishes" and "beliefs".  They don't need to be proven by facts or evidence.  Ethics charges do.

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    Again, thanks for clearing that up (1.00 / 2) (#186)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:29:34 PM EST
    as if it wasn't obvious.

    In the Brown case, Crump toned down his act a bit.  I wonder why? Maybe Brown was less sympathetic than Trayvon Martin? Maybe there were some complaints from other lawyers?

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    Maybe you should devote (5.00 / 3) (#189)
    by MO Blue on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:37:49 PM EST
    your time to writing fiction. In that venue you would not have to worry about dealing with facts.

    That is not to imply that you deal in facts on this blog, since it is quite obvious that you have never let facts stand in your way of creating a fictional story to support your preconceived notions.  

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    But he's so polite about it, MOBlue... (5.00 / 5) (#194)
    by Anne on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:50:05 PM EST
    doesn't that count for anything?

    </snark>

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    All plants are (5.00 / 3) (#206)
    by KeysDan on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:45:05 PM EST
    not potted.   I think.

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    What are you so afraid of? (1.33 / 3) (#192)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:48:15 PM EST
    You are so you good at criticizing others and accusing me of having a preconceived notion but you can't answer my question on the Rice shooting.  Have you made up your mind?

    Stop judging others for one minute and tell us your opinion.  Is the cop guilty of murder? Guilty of something else?  

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    Why are you so adverse to dealing with (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by MO Blue on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:57:50 PM EST
    facts? Why do you have to post things that are factually untrue to distort what actually in the case of Tamir Rice? Why do you continue to make up fictional scenarios about Rice and all the other people involved in shooting black people? You are right about one thing though. I do critique people who make stuff up and post it as fact here. You present a very good example.

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    You can't do it (1.00 / 1) (#204)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:15:13 PM EST
    You can't put your cards on the table.  That's pretty weak coming from someone who loves to pass judgement.

    Unlike you, I'm not perfect. If I've made mistakes in my posts they won't be my last.  But I'm not afraid to give my honest opinion.  I'll answer any of your questions to the best of my ability if you can answer mine.  

    Do you think the shooter in the Rice case is guilty of murder or anything else?

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    Don't (none / 0) (#21)
    by whitecap333 on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:59:57 PM EST
    Dorian, Piaget and Tiffany claim he dropped where he stopped?

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    Whitewash (none / 0) (#70)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:09:11 AM EST
    When you run 178 feet away and finally fall 153 feet away, that's pretty close to "he dropped where he stopped" -- especially when the entire incident only took 14 seconds and the Chief of Ferguson police is insisting that he only ran 35 feet.  

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    St Louis (none / 0) (#25)
    by Palli on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:19:12 PM EST
    Chief Dobsen planned and implemented a photo op this afternoon. As Protestors marched away from the Rams stadium.  Dobsen flanked by his cops and backed by riot gear foot soldiers, he "single-handedly" arrested a Protestor. And he was only wearing a windbreaker. Putin-esque showing. Looks a bit like him too.
    Other arrests, including 2 Rams fans.

    What is the average no. of arrests per Rams (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:24:02 PM EST
    home game?

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    Chief Dotson (none / 0) (#27)
    by Palli on Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 05:22:17 PM EST
    probably touchy about his name -going for Governor next ...maybe

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    St. Louis police union wants (none / 0) (#74)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:30:38 AM EST
    I was just about to post (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:53:28 AM EST
    that I am stunned but the hysterical reaction to the show of support by those players.

    To bad they didn't pray before doing it.

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    If they did pray (none / 0) (#81)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:08:01 AM EST
    I'm sure Jim, with his defense of Tebows' religious rights re: Football games, would be right behind them as well.

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    Well, you almost got it right (1.00 / 1) (#205)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:39:58 PM EST
    Why does anyone care if Tebow, and other athletes for that matter, pray/give thanks in public?

    When I lived in Littleton and was a very heavy air traveler I saw Muslims praying in public at DIA on a regular basis. Never felt threatened or had a desire to tell them to quit.

    I mean I thought we have freedom of religion.

    That's from an 11/28/11 thread.

    Of course we don't have commercial free speech. The owners could shut down, and have in some cases, any actions on the field they don't like.

    The problem here is that the players actions falsely portray the actions of Brown. And by doing so increase the tensions and problems we have as a society.  

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    It will be interesting to see how (none / 0) (#82)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:14:26 AM EST
    this plays out. It could backfire, resulting in more players coming out on the field, the court etc. with their hands raised.  

    Prayers before or after would have really put them in a quandary.

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    Update (none / 0) (#104)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:46:58 AM EST

    The NFL said Monday that it will not take disciplinary action against the players involved in the protest.

    "We respect and understand the concerns of all individuals who have expressed views on this tragic situation," spokesperson Brian McCarthy told USA Today Sports in a statement.

    Good decision.

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    Saw that (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 12:47:55 PM EST
    Like to think they did it because it was the right thing but lots of NFL players of color.  

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    From a business sense, (none / 0) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:00:13 PM EST
    it was definitely the right thing to do. It would be a real challenge to field any team if the majority of the players objected to punishment of the Ram players.

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    52 -- 0 (none / 0) (#77)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:39:36 AM EST
    It sure brought good luck to the Rams:

    They won the game 52 to 0.

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    Didn't hurt (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ruby on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 09:45:32 AM EST
    that they were playing the Oakland Raiders - a 1-11 team.

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    a 1-11 team (none / 0) (#87)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:51:32 AM EST
    You never know what a 1-11 team might resort to when they are taking a beating like that -- especially when they are from Oakland and are called the Raiders.

    Anyway they were the receiving corps -- so their hands were up a lot on the field yesterday.

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    "threaten and punish" (none / 0) (#88)
    by Palli on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 10:53:16 AM EST
    If the Rams management reacts to  Jeff [disgraced ex-police officer] Roorda of the police union & disciplines the five players or anyone with the team for 1st Amendment rights, well then, everyone will know corporate power is afraid of the Missouri law enforcement "protection racket".


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    Eff. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:04:55 AM EST
    The St. Louis Police Officers Union.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#100)
    by Dadler on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 11:24:01 AM EST
    The only thing the St. Louis Police should have said is, "It's a beautiful thing that, in spite of all the ugliness going on right now in our community, that these players feel their freedom of speech is still alive enough that they can use it in public. That is what sets America apart. Let's all get better, because we have the freedom to do so." Instead, we get a response more in tune with, say, the mullahs in Iran, or the thugs who run China or any other tyranny. Shame on you, sir, you have disgraced America and disgraced all decent and upstanding police officers with that comment. Disgusting and antithetical to EVERYTHING America is supposed to be and represent.

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    Projectile 17 and the scene (none / 0) (#113)
    by Uncle Chip on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 01:26:54 PM EST
    Updated representation of the Crime Scene

    Look at where all those 10 shell casings landed and then look at where projectile #17 ended up.

    Now which one would that be and how did it get way over there away from all the action???

    By the process of elimination: it wasn't 1 of the 3 found in his body; nor 1 of the 2 fired back at the Tahoe; nor likely the 1 that aimed high and grazed his upper arm; nor any of the 4+ that missed entirely and went awry.

    So that leaves only two other likely shots: the one that passed through his right forearm or the one that hit his right hand.

    So how did projectile #17 wind up at that particular spot when Wilson at the time of those shots is standing where Brown's body is and firing in the direction of 19/20???

    BTW at Sandy Hook the police investigators were able to match each particular projectile with the actual shell casing it came from.

    I wonder if investigators have done that yet with projectile #17 and identified its shell casing.

    Inquiring minds ....

    Dr Baden: shot from behind (none / 0) (#183)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 11:56:15 AM EST
    Dr Baden was quite insistent in his Grand Jury testimony that the shot to the right medial forearm came from behind:

    AUSA: "Now when you're referring to that shot to the medial forearm ... Does that definitely tell us that Michael Brown was shot from behind???"

    Dr Baden: "I think it's good evidence for that.... I think it's definitive evidence that the weapon at the time of the discharge was behind him ... behind from back ... it's definitive evidence of coming from behind."

    I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what Baden (1.00 / 1) (#187)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:33:36 PM EST
    has to say. Do we even know how much of the second autopsy he actually performed? Until that mess get's sorted out, he'd got some credibility problems.

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    Baden / ME (none / 0) (#193)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 12:50:03 PM EST
    Baloney --

    I watched the news conference and he essentially just rechecked the work of the County ME who provided her notes to him for additional perusal.

    And when he finished the County ME issued a statement that the only place where she and he disagreed was over the number of gunshots:

    He said 6 and she said 6 to 8 and when they found that 7 bullet in Brown's back they both concurred on the number 7.

    But thanks for trying anyway --

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    Had there been an indictment (none / 0) (#200)
    by McBain on Tue Dec 02, 2014 at 01:03:10 PM EST
    do you think Baden would have testified? What about if there's a civil trial?  I don't see how they can put him or Parcells on the stand.  Do you think the County ME would provide testimony favorable to the Brown family?

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