The Next Generation of Mujahideen

ISIS has released a lot of videos the past few days. In one, Race Towards Good (link removed),ISIS takes us inside a training camp for Kazakh children. They are purposely indoctrinated from a young age (There's even a toddler holding a toy gun.) It shows a class teaching very young males how to write Arabic and the kids receiving receiving fighter training. There's also an adult class on how to be a sniper.

It's fascinating to watch, but horrifying that they would encourage young kids to kill those who do not share their religion. [Update: Photos removed at the request of the Government of Kazakhstan]

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    Ah, psychopaths AND serial pedophiles (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    They are no better to children than people who would bend those children over and sodomize them. And I am amazed that the U.S.A. lacks even the slightest modicum of imagination to humiliate these phuckers for it, to show the world, with unabashed self-critical courage (and THAT is key, but we are too unevolved a nation to understand it currently, since we are minor-league self critics), how bad it is. Even the worst sack of sh*t dumbphucks this country produces in the middle of nowhere aren't as atrophied as these devolved dolts. ISIS, apparently, stands for I Send Infants Submachine-guns. These asshats will eat their own societies alive if left alone. Instead, we'll help them raise their profile. I don't know which is worse, those idiots or our idiots. After all, WE are supposed to be better. Are we? It's very debatable right now.

    And make no mistake, when you abuse children... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:24:18 AM EST
    ...in this way, you cannot undo it. Trauma to adults is fixable, to children...you destroy them for the rest of their lives. These are not, most likely, children who will ever be cured of this legacy of disgusting and inexcusable abuse.

    most religions are (3.00 / 2) (#3)
    by leap on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:43:14 AM EST
    child psyche-abusers. Have you known any "recovering" Catholics? I have many friends who are, and they all say the same things about not being able to shake the indoctrinations. One fellow I know, who is an avowed atheist but also a recovering Catholic, says what the nuns and brothers instilled into him is like an ear-worm that won't go away. He still instinctively starts to cross himself when an ambulance goes by. He's in his early 70s.

    On this topiic & looking specifically (none / 0) (#5)
    by christinep on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 01:25:45 PM EST
    at the sorry phenomenon/reality that is ISIS/ISIL, it may be that no one possesses any "imagination" that you seek to resolve this now.  To date: Not any country, not any other group, not any movement, not any individual, and not either or us ... I suppose.  If you or anyone or any group has that type of imagination to stop these despicable frauds, it would be instructive to hear.  What do you think or imagine?  As for me, I'm guessing that there is no magic wand that will end this onslaught in a way satisfying to everyone ... horrors usually don't abate by themselves.

    i suppose it depends on how you define religion. (none / 0) (#4)
    by cpinva on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 09:50:10 AM EST
    bearing in mind, both Hitler & Stalin set up "youth groups", programs designed to make them good little fascists & communists right from the start. in fact, pretty much every modern dictatorship does the same thing, because indoctrinated youth are the key to the dictator staying in power. so, nothing new there really. horrifying yes, new, no.

    Couldn't help it... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by lentinel on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 04:21:14 PM EST
    Your comment reminded me of:

    On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    and to obey the Scout Law

    Its incomplete. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Wile ECoyote on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 06:41:56 AM EST
    But much less dramatic in this context when complete.

    I'm no expert but it seems to me (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 07:01:23 AM EST
    that even the Hitler youth socialization & indoctrination process involved a more positive message, which isn't saying much, than the rivers of blood b/s those tiny terrorist kids are spouting.

    Where'd they get the camo uniforms in kid sizes, anyway?


    Please look at my previous comment (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 01:15:36 PM EST
    here and tell me how the Warsaw problem is a more positive message.

    The source of that "math" problem (3.50 / 2) (#20)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 09:44:59 PM EST
    is not cited.  In fact there seem to be no primary sources whatever cited anywhere on that website.

    This comment is as close as I got to an identification of the apparent source of the math problem, a book titled Allgemeinbildender Grundlehrgang, a basic training manual published by the Wehrmacht Oberkommando.  It is not a child's reader.

    From the Calvin College propaganda collection, three exemplars of actual Nazi propaganda targeting the young: one... two... & three.

    Maybe we're lucky radical Islam rejects western education.  If they were as efficient at mass murder as "civilized" westerners like the Nazis, we'd be in real trouble.


    Perhaps this photograph will (none / 0) (#23)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 07:51:11 AM EST
    Demonstrate how wrong you are:

    German children read an anti-Jewish propaganda book titled DER GIFTPILZ ( "The Poisonous Mushroom"). The girl on the left holds a companion volume, the translated title of which is "Trust No Fox." Germany, ca. 1938.

    Or this:

    In the classroom and in the Hitler Youth, instruction aimed to produce race-conscious, obedient, self-sacrificing Germans who would be willing to die for Führer and Fatherland. Devotion to Adolf Hitler was a key component of Hitler Youth training. German young people celebrated his birthday (April 20)-a national holiday-for membership inductions. German adolescents swore allegiance to Hitler and pledged to serve the nation and its leader as future soldiers.

    Schools played an important role in spreading Nazi ideas to German youth. While censors removed some books from the classroom, German educators introduced new textbooks that taught students love for Hitler, obedience to state authority, militarism, racism, and antisemitism.

    From their first days in school, German children were imbued with the cult of Adolf Hitler. His portrait was a standard fixture in classrooms. Textbooks frequently described the thrill of a child seeing the German leader for the first time.

    Board games and toys for children served as another way to spread racial and political propaganda to German youth. Toys were also used as propaganda vehicles to indoctrinate children into militarism.

    You wrote:

    that even the Hitler youth socialization & indoctrination process involved a more positive message, which isn't saying much, than the rivers of blood b/s those tiny terrorist kids are spouting.

    Thanks for letting me demonstrate how wrong you are, Narren.


    I made one small point, which you have not (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:53 AM EST
    refuted. Your job is to show some little nazi kids dutifully spouting off about slaughtering non-nazis.

    BTW, your sourcing still sucks.  Calvin has the translations of the two books you could only find covers of.  I won't link to them because they're pretty offensive, if marginally less offensive than the anti infidel hate speech of the little kids in Kazakhstan.  My point stands.

    And who's Narren anyway?  Your straw man's name?


    Sorry, but (none / 0) (#26)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 10:22:17 AM EST
    you clearly know nothing of the Hitler Youth.

    Forward! Forward! The fanfares sound.
    Forward! Forward! Youth knows not danger!
    Germany, you will stand shining,
    Even if we perish.

    No matter how high the goal may be,
    Youth will achieve it!
    We march man by man into the future.
    We march for Hitler through night and poverty
    With the banner of the youth for freedom and prosperity.
    Our banners wave before us...

    And here's the plot of the book in question:

    German children read an anti-Jewish propaganda book titled DER GIFTPILZ ( "The Poisonous Mushroom"). The book was supposed to "educate" children about the Jews - the title "poisonous mushroom" being a Jew.  In the stories, it tells how to distinguish Jews from non-Jews. It also warns children not to trust their Jewish classmates, or even Jews who have converted to Christianity. It even says that Jews will try to molest you; one little girl escapes a Jew offering her sweets, and she only does this because her brother called the police. Communism is portrayed as being led by Jews who wish to sacrifice Germany to Russia's good. Jews are portrayed as abusing their German servants. Children are a great target audience because they are easily persuadable.  They were taught in different classes in school to help the war effort.  In math, they were taught angles by plotting how far bombs and rockets would shoot. Throughout their schooling they learned how to benefit Germany.  This is a great way as well because every child loves to lose themselves in books to exercise their imagination. Influencing these children led to an entire country standing behind obliterating an entire race.

    You've already revealed all we need to know about you.

    Guten tag, Mein Herr!


    That's interpretation, Mor. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 11:00:56 AM EST
    The Kazakh exemplar was a bunch of tiny little kids mouthing off about slaughtering nonbelievers.

    All you've come up with are interpretations written by adults.  

    You wanna believe that evil is monolithic and homogeneous, that's your loss.  My observation tells me that there are a myriad of paths leading to evil, that evils are evil in their own way.

    Your reflexive resort to the ad hominem, the die narren insult, and the crude innuendo implicit in your guten tag bullcrap, tells me you've got your own little pathway well marked.  Happy trails!


    Where I have I said that evil is monolithic? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 11:07:02 AM EST
    OTOH, you seem to want to assign levels of evil to different things, and the top level reserved for the instructors of these tots, as Dante put Judas and the other betrayers in the pit of his Hell.

    As you have clearly demonstrated neither scholarship nor intelligence in your recent replies, I suggest you commiserate with the legal drug or beverage of your choice in celebration of your 'victory' here today.


    Scholarship? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 01:26:11 PM EST
    I cited primary sources and you cited secondary sources, i.e., regurgitations.

    Nobody wins an exchange like this, mor.  We're just stinking up the blog.


    What did you want, (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Nov 25, 2014 at 01:32:09 PM EST
    A photograph of the autograph manuscript of Forward, Forward?

    And I'm delighted to see that you don't cosider material from the National Holocaust Museum reliable.  


    Stalin is on record (none / 0) (#6)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    as modeling his efforts after those of the Catholic Church, and he had some familiarity with religious education from his time in a Russian seminary.

    As for Hitler, he was probably referring to the Jesuits who inspired his Russian rivals' methods when he referred to the RCC as "Those black crowd".

    He also received a religious education at their hands thru his teens, and with the help of Goebbles made education into instruction in devilry.  

    Indoctrination became rampant in all subjects. At every opportunity, teachers were expected to attack the life style of the Jews. Exam questions even contained blunt reference to the government's anti-Semitic stance:

    "A bomber aircraft on take-off carries 12 dozen bombs, each weighing 10 kilos. The aircraft takes off for Warsaw the international centre for Jewry. It bombs the town. On take-off with all bombs on board and a fuel tank containing 100 kilos of fuel, the aircraft weighed about 8 tons. When it returns from the crusade, there are still 230 kilos left. What is the weight of the aircraft when empty ?"

    Should be "black crows" &#128524; (none / 0) (#7)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 02:23:07 PM EST
    My wife's cousin did her Peace Corps gig (none / 0) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 23, 2014 at 07:10:46 PM EST
    in Kazakhstan, twenty years ago.  All she had to worry about was dealing with the local mafia to get a refrigerator for her apartment.  (no yurts)

    I was a (none / 0) (#14)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 10:57:41 AM EST
    Girl Scout leader for a few years, and we never said the pledge before meetings, although I don't know about the other troops.
    We did sometimes say it when there was some kind of big gathering of many troops, though.
    I don't think the Girl Scouts were as much into the pledge as the Boy Scouts were.    ;-)

    so many pledges... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 03:44:14 PM EST
    talk about recovering Catholic indoctrination, I can't even read a pledge without mentally adding 'throughchristourlordamen' to the end.  

    Strangely, aging Catholic alter boys, (none / 0) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 04:36:08 PM EST
    often say Dominus vobiscum, and if somebody gives the proper answer in Latin, you know they too were alter boys.  Now the Catholic mass is said in the language of the country where you are.  I'v been to mass in both France and Germany and was totally lost.

    Yes, but you should (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 24, 2014 at 05:04:46 PM EST
    pretty much know what's going on, when.
    While many Eastern Orthodox churches in this country are now predominantly or solely in English, I grew up with our Liturgy (Mass) in Greek, and I have been to Liturgies conducted in Church Slavonic and Romanian.  It's basically all the same Liturgy, so you know what's happening.   ;-)
    I do still like the Greek Liturgy, though, even though I heartily approve of the Liturgy in English.  We're in an English-speaking country, after all, and it should be understandable for all the parishioners.
    I bet the Mass is pretty in French.  I think that French is a beautiful language.