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More court today (and now Monday and Tuesday as well) and jail visits. I wish I could recoup the hours I spent after court this week at the Apple store (that "new" phone they gave me 3 months ago stopped working. I'm now on my third iPhone 5s) and on the phone with Comcast (the "hunt" feature and caller ID on my phone lines stopped working, and my cable bill jumped $50). All fixed now though.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Memorial scholarship fund for my buddy's son (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Dadler on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:00:01 AM EST
    A colleague had some problems with her (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:35:09 AM EST
    new Apple product - some flavor of phone - and the training sessions both were useless and were continually interrupted by the hipsters who work in the Apple Store raising all sorts of party hell.

    Apple's response was along the lines of "we're Apple, we're cool, and we don't have to give a sh*t, so we don't."

    My colleague's experience sold me on going elsewhere when I get around to having to replace my still-perking-along 2006 flip phone.

    Well, scribe, I can't speak to the (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by caseyOR on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:31:49 PM EST
    problems your friend encountered at that particular Apple store, but I will tell you that for as long as I have used Apple products, 20 years now, I have had nothing but helpful experiences at the independent Apple retailer store where I buy my Apple products.

    Additionally, whenever I have had to call the AppleCare line people have been courteous and helpful.

    Now, I do not know if your comment means you are totally off Apple products because of your friend's experience or just never buying anything from that one store.  You will never find me defending bad customer service. I am a firm believer in finding a different store if the service at one is bad. I would also call Apple itself and file a complaint about that particular store.

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    My initial "6" failed w/I a month. (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:36:41 PM EST
    Replacement is doing fine. But orig. iPad mini won't recharge. Genius appointment @ 8:50 pm tonight. Emergency!

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    Check the cord on the charger (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:41:29 PM EST
    The are pretty flimsy and the wires inside can bend and break right before the  plug.

    Just had to get a replacement cord myself. If your mini is less than a year old and that is the problem, they should replace at no charge.

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    It is a first generation mini. (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:48:27 PM EST
    I tried different cords and sockets. No juice. Disaster!

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    Bummer (none / 0) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:00:14 PM EST
    A cord would have been an easy fix.

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    Have them check the battery. (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 06:33:49 PM EST
    Younger Daughter had similar issues, and the root cause ended up being a defective battery.

    May everything be resolved to your satisfaction.

    (That sounds like a Chinese blessing.)

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    It likely is the battery as all my cables work re (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 08:10:30 PM EST
    my phone. No warranty coverage though mini is too old.

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    iPad v iPhone charging (none / 0) (#86)
    by BeDazzled on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 09:29:47 PM EST
    When I bought my iPad the store rep told me the charger for the iPad could charge the phone, but the charger for the iPhone could not charge the pad even though the connection fits both, the unit that plugs into the wall is apparently different. Both of my units are 1.5 years old and I've never tried to challenge what he said, so I don't know if that would apply to your situation.

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    That is the first thing the Apple store (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:34:54 PM EST
    "Genius" said. But another "Genius" said that was incorrect. Then "Genius" # 1 rebooted my mini, which now works perfectly!

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    Batteries do go, and I'm on my (none / 0) (#97)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 11:22:37 AM EST
    second one.  Mac rumors.com just had article about how to perk your battery up if you have a removable one.  Simply unplug the computer, remove the battery, push and hold the turn on button for 10 seconds, put the battery back in, plug it in, and it should help some.  Mine was shutting down at 28%, so I tried this trick, and it now lasts to 18%, but it's going.  I think when I installed the solid state HD, it draws more power since it's so fast, or something like that.

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    iPhone cords also can break down (none / 0) (#98)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 11:38:43 AM EST
    easily.  Just this morning my charger wire failed, but fortunately I had another one.  My iPhone is encased in the waterproof Lifeproof case, since I take the phone out on the boat all the time.  The case is larger, naturally, and the charging plug in location is recessed, so you have to pull slightly on the wire, and the plug at the same time to remove it, and that's all it takes to have it finally fail.  When I was shooting film, it was always the cables that went out on us, and they were the big thick kind.  So, I need to go online and get some cables, which is always dangerous, since the very MBP I want is back on the refurbished computers page.  I don't think they all are refurbished, just over produced, and unsold, due to newer models.  I know this is true with some of the iPods.  The online store is a very dangerous place for me, sitting right here on the couch.

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    Friday Blues (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Dadler on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:38:19 AM EST
    the little kid on drums is great (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Dadler on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:42:16 AM EST
    i just love this video.

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    You might like this link (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Reconstructionist on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:11:07 PM EST
     if you don't already know about it.

    Prewarblues.org

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    Didn't know about it (none / 0) (#67)
    by Dadler on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:17:40 PM EST
    Many thanks for the ref.  Very cool.

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    The difference being of course, (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Yman on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:02:39 PM EST
    ... those things are only facts in your mind.

    the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#84)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 08:37:32 PM EST
    was deleted. The writer grossly misrepresented his interpretation of events as fact.

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    Today is November 22. (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 12:27:56 PM EST
    I know that with just about any big news story the media hypes it, whatever it is, by claiming that everyone will remember where they were when they heard this particular bit of news. IMO, it is overused.

    There are a few events to which that claim does apply. The assassination of Jack Kennedy is one such date. 51 years ago today that promising young president was murdered in Dallas. It was stunning and horrifying and, unbeknownst to all of us at that time, a harbinger of things to come.

    I was in 6th grade, walking through the cafeteria on my way to the principal's office, when a classmate walked up to me and said "Somebody just shot President Kennedy." My immediate response was "Yeah, right."

    I hurried to the office to listen to the principal's radio. Kennedy had been shot. The principal hooked her radio up to the PA system. We all went back to our classrooms. The rest of the afternoon we sat, my memory is that we were huddled together, but, of course we were at our individual desks, and listened to CBS News on the radio. And that is how we all, my room of 6th graders, and everyone else in my Catholic grade school, learned that Jack Kennedy was dead.

    It was a Friday. For the first time ever the TV networks broadcast around the clock. This continued through Monday and the funereal. We saw Dan Rather at Parkland Memorial. We learned of Officer Tippett's death. We stared at the grassy knoll and the Texas Book Depository.

    We watched in real time, and in horror, as Jack Ruby stepped out of a cluster of reporters in the basement of the Dallas Police Department and shot Lee Harvey Oswald in the stomach, killing him.

    The entire country was glued to the TV. We watched as the coffin carrying Kennedy's body arrived at Andrews and was transported to Bethesda. We saw Jackie come down the steps of that plane still wearing the pink Chanel suit now covered in her husband's blood. We saw Bobby Kennedy, already a wreck of a man, meet her at the bottom of the stairs.

    We watched the honor guard bring the coffin into the Rotunda to lie in state, and we watched the never-ending line of people slowly walk by that coffin to pay their last respects. We saw Jackie, now all in black, arrive at the Rotunda with Caroline and John to kneel beside the flag-draped coffin of their husband and father.

    And on Monday we watched the funereal. The Requiem Mass at St. Matthew's, young John's salute to the passing coffin. The march to Arlington. The coffin on the caisson that had carried Lincoln's body. The riderless horse. Bobby and Jackie and Teddy leading the march, on foot, followed by the new President Lyndon Johnson and many many world leaders.

    And finally Arlington National Cemetery and the tomb.

    All of this is burned into my mind's eye. I will never forget.

    Obscene, (1.25 / 4) (#3)
    by whitecap333 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:03:49 AM EST
    that the very people who have outdone themselves in poisoning the mind of the public against officer Darren Wilson should now strike poses as advocates of peace and calm.  They know that only violence will attract the media attention they crave, but contrive to maintain the appearance of not being responsible for it.  The media has come very close to inciting to riot here.  There can now be little reasonable doubt about who initiated hostilities at Wilson's squad car.  The newly released radio dispatches prove that an alert on the Ferguson Market theft had gone out (with the 911 caller heard in the background), followed by an accurate description of Brown, and that Wilson was "on the lookout" for him.  When he radioed "Put me on Canfield with two, and send me a car," moments after admonishing Brown and Johnson to clear the road, he obviously intended to question Brown (still clutching cigars.)  Still, the media just can't bring itself to relinquish the delectable fiction that Wilson was officiously "hassling" Brown, for the offense of "walking while Black."  The soul of the typical media scribe resonates so deeply to this meme that it can't be given up.  And how often have we heard a journalist, or "media personality," acknowledge that Brown was in possession of the material needed to make "blunts" of stolen "cigarillos"?  (Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging, SLPD, 10-22-14.)  Never, that's when.  Some facts, to the liberal mind, are simply too "prejudicial" to acknowledge.  When Brown saw Wilson backing up to him, he could hardly have failed to appreciate that he was faced with the prospect of being "frisked," with disastrous consequence.  Can anyone name a single media source that has communicated these considerations to the public?  I thought not.  

    The prolonged silence of the grand jury leads to one of two conclusions:  The most credible evidence exonerates Wilson, or some sort of massive "cover up," involving not only Ferguson but St. Louis County, is in progress.  If the latter, one would think Holder would say something.  

    Seek some help for your obsession. (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Angel on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:05:41 AM EST
    Even I'm not that obsessed... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:28:53 AM EST
    with reefer, and it's my daily lamb's bread! ;)

    Unless whitey is saying the war on drugs should be charged as an accessory to manslaughter...that sounds about right to me actually.  Accessory to thousands upon thousands of manslaughters.

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    kdog, help me out here,,,,, (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:58:58 AM EST
    If you were going to make some 'blunts' would you get a hold of some cigarillos and unstuff them, then restuff with pot? Wouldn't it be easier to get some papers?


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    Happy to help... (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:23:03 AM EST
    Blunt styles tend to vary by locale...in NYC we prefer Dutchmaster brand blunts, which are prepared by unrolling/removing the outer tobacco leaf, then splitting the inner paper, removing tobacco, re-rolling with the better plant, re-wrapping the tobacco leaf, and voila...you've got yourself a Dutchie.

    In the South/Midwest, if I am not mistaken, it is more popular to unstuff Swisher Sweet brand or the like, and restuff with the better plant...no rerolling.  Correct me if I'm wrong, breathren to the south and west...

    Papers are definitely easier, but some smokers prefer the longer burn and tobacco flavor of the blunt.  

    I'm strictly paper these days, but I rolled a mean Dutchie back in the day!  I always seem to wind up as official roller in any social circle I roll with.  Not to toot my own horn, but I am an artisan in this regard;)


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    LOL! As someone who has never partaken (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by vml68 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:26:17 AM EST
    of your favorite sacrament, I appreciate the education.

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    Never too late pal... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:47:32 AM EST
    check out the Virgin Grannies.

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    The things we learn here! (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:30:46 PM EST
    Is it possible to vape marijuana?

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    Of course... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:16:35 PM EST
    Personally I prefer smoke, but vaping is much healthier for the lungs...a preferred medicinal delivery method, along with edibles.

    My roomie has a very nice Volcano vaporizer, but the novelty has worn off and it's collecting dust in a closet right now.

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    thanks kdog, even if you did prove me wrong (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:03:50 PM EST
    I had no idea this was 'a thing'.

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    I Would Recommend... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    ..making the cigar wrapper moist before you cut it, it's more pliable, hot breathe and a smidgen of saliva.

    On the vap comment, you can currently buy ecig looking 'pens' that are very strong and if done well, taste good, and come in a variety of flavors.  Charge it once a week and smoke anywhere without anyone knowing.  The smell is more like the plant that that traditional very recognizable smell.  And for some reason, unlike ecigs they are slender and there is no button to push, just suck and the technology moves the THC from a pen to your bloodstream.

    The cheap ones taste like sucking on a motorcycle muffler, but those, I think, are first generation.

    I was telling a friend the other day, the only way it could be easier is if you just wished you were high and bam, you would be high.

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    Google rolling papers and (none / 0) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 11:02:44 AM EST
    several companies show up,  There are literally hundreds of sizes and flavors of rolling papers from many countries.  Personally I like the old fashioned orange Zig Zags.  One style comes as a long sheet in a little box that allows you to tear off any desirable length and make short little two or three puffers, and thereby not have to wonder what to do with the roach, since there is none.  The cut corner zig zags are good too, since they make rolling very easy.  I don't much like the strawberry or chocolate flavored papers, nor the monster Bob Marley spliff size.  Slow burning, fast burning, thick, super thin, American flag, they've got 'em all.

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    Reefer Madness (none / 0) (#17)
    by whitecap333 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:33:00 AM EST
    Maybe you'd do well to lay off it for a while.  Perhaps that would give you the clarity to appreciate that possession of marijuana is a serious offense in Missouri.  To repeat myself, the autopsy report says a "leafy green substance," identified as marijuana, had been "submitted into evidence."  (Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging, SLPD, 10-22-14.)  Are you seriously proposing Brown was indifferent to the prospect of being caught with "weed" on his person?

    Actually, I have no idea what you are trying to say.  I do appreciate you driving another peg into the board, though, for me to hang my hat on.

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    So Brown was terrified ... (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by Yman on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:01:50 PM EST
    ... of the "disastrous consequences of being frisked" (presumably for being arrested for p0t), but was just fine with the idea of charging a police officer firing a gun at him from a distance while completely unarmed?

    Huh.

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    Just one question.......... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    Why, to this day, does the St. Louis PD keep perpetuating the lie that Michael Brown was 35 feet from Wilson and his car when every verifiable source shows the distance was 100-135 feet?

    Surely, you understand that being over 100 feet apart makes the claim that Wilson was in clear & present danger of being assaulted by Mr. Brown implausible?

    I could understand that the Chief, a day after the shooting, erred in stating they were 35 feet apart, but, why, many weeks later, hasn't he, or the media, corrected that mistake?

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    Actually, (1.00 / 3) (#35)
    by whitecap333 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:41:24 PM EST
    the two were only 10 feet apart when Wilson, after a brief pursuit, fired the fatal shots, as he beat a retreat.  I'll refer you to my previous comments on this score.

    I'm not going to get into it with you on your conspiracy theory.  If you have to go there, you've already lost.  The only people who will entertain it are well beyond the pale of rational discourse.

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    Shooter you were in the military (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:29:22 PM EST
    do you think Wilson could have hit Brown so many times using a pistol when they were 100-130 feet apart and running?????

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    Probably not, but (none / 0) (#63)
    by NYShooter on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 03:22:59 PM EST
    that would depend on how many shots were fired. That's another major question that hasn't been answered yet. Some witnesses say there was a six shot burst, followed by a pause, and, then a volley of approximately 4 shots, making a total of ten. Others claim there were at least 16 shots fired.

    So, to answer your question, if the six shots that hit Brown were the only shots fired then I would say that's highly implausible. But, the fact that the Police Department seems to only disclose/leak information they deem favorable to Wilson, and, withhold information that points to a homicide (the number of shots fired, and, the distance between Wilson's SUV, and, Brown's body being 148 feet apart) simply, adds to the suspicion that the "fix is in" in Ferguson.  

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    From what I've read, 12 shots total. (none / 0) (#64)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 03:39:52 PM EST
    2 in the SUV, 10 outside.

    In all shootings -- including those against people, animals and in suicides and other situations -- New York City officers achieved a 34 percent accuracy rate (182 out of 540), and a 43 percent accuracy rate when the target ranged from zero to six feet away. Nearly half the shots they fired last year were within that distance.

    imo, 60% accuracy (6 hits out of 10) at 100-130 (or whatever) feet is Olympic-caliber marksmanship.

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    I'll beat Uncle Chip to it... (none / 0) (#70)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:54:37 PM EST
    What we have here is an Olympic caliber rogue cop.

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    Based on my own miserable resulkts (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:01:47 PM EST
    and several others I knew.... with a handgun there ain't no way that he hit 6 out of 12 from 100-130 feet while he and his target were moving.

    My guess he was within 20 feet.

    And unless someone has a video of the actual event we will never know for sure.

    I agree that the FPD hasn't done anyone any favor with their lack of openness. But they aren't unusual in that regard.

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    Very detailed (none / 0) (#87)
    by BeDazzled on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 09:45:12 PM EST
    set of photographs and video were on the internet 2 days ago showing and supporting that the SUV Wilson had been driving was 148 ft from Michael Brown's body, and the vehicle that was closer in some photos was actually the vehicle of the responding officer after the shooting. There is nothing that says Wilson, the man, was 100-130 feet away when shooting. Audio was picked up on a cell phone and the number of shots was over 10.

    Because the police have handled this event the way they have, they are challenged by a lack of credibility with many people following the story.


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    The witness reports stated that Brown (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:17:50 PM EST
    Stopped running and turned around when the fatal shots were fired. IOW, Brown was not a moving target. Don't know how much difference it makes but he wasn't running away when Wilson shoot him six times.

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    Get a life, whitecap. (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:55:36 PM EST
    Seriously.

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    Likewise... (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by kdog on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:17:48 PM EST
    Actually, I have no idea what you are trying to say


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    Ira Hansen (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:24:08 AM EST
    Is that you?

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    I know I will regret responding to this, (5.00 / 6) (#26)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:04:44 PM EST
    but here goes...

    Obscene, that the very people who have outdone themselves in poisoning the mind of the public against officer Darren Wilson should now strike poses as advocates of peace and calm.  They know that only violence will attract the media attention they crave, but contrive to maintain the appearance of not being responsible for it.
     First, if you want to talk about "poisoning," make sure you talk about all of it, and not just what you think is out there against Darren Wilson; there's been plenty of "poison" spewed against Michael Brown and his friend.  And before you lose your mind telling me that it's not poison if it's true, you should know that that's a double-edged sword you're wielding, and those suckers will sometimes cut you worse than the person you're waving it around at.  Oh, and who, exactly, are these people you're accusing of being instigators? Surely you must be able to name them

    The media has come very close to inciting to riot here.
     Oh, so it's the media that's the problem here?  The media's inciting rioting?  Not the police and authorities who were arresting people right and left who had done nothing wrong, not the police who were firing rubber bullets and lobbing tear gas and pointing weapons into the faces of people who weren't being violent or combative or confrontational?  Do you  know how many members of the media became victims of over-zealous police?  

    There can now be little reasonable doubt about who initiated hostilities at Wilson's squad car.
     I find it fascinating that, not having been present when all of this actually happened, or for any of the grand jury testimony, and not having been privy to the totality of the evidence that has been accumulating in this case, you can make this statement.  

    The newly released radio dispatches prove that an alert on the Ferguson Market theft had gone out (with the 911 caller heard in the background), followed by an accurate description of Brown, and that Wilson was "on the lookout" for him.  When he radioed "Put me on Canfield with two, and send me a car," moments after admonishing Brown and Johnson to clear the road, he obviously intended to question Brown (still clutching cigars.)
     Really?  You know this how?  You may know that an alert went out, and you may know that a description was provided, but you don't know that Wilson was on the lookout, and you don't know what Wilson's intentions were when he initially confronted Brown and Johnson.. Seems to me that if he "oviously" intended to question them, he wouldn't have told them to move away from him.  Or maybe when you want to speak to someone, you tell them to go away, but that's not usually how the rest of us handle it.  

    Still, the media just can't bring itself to relinquish the delectable fiction that Wilson was officiously "hassling" Brown, for the offense of "walking while Black."  The soul of the typical media scribe resonates so deeply to this meme that it can't be given up.  And how often have we heard a journalist, or "media personality," acknowledge that Brown was in possession of the material needed to make "blunts" of stolen "cigarillos"?  (Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging, SLPD, 10-22-14.)  Never, that's when.
     So...how did you learn of this information?  And while you ponder that, perhaps you can focus your conservative mind on this: when did the media become a substitute for a court of law and judicial proceedings?  Because you seem to be under the impression that this is the media's job, and as much as they sometimes seem to foster that impression, it really isn't their job to present evidence for an interested public to pass judgment on.

    Some facts, to the liberal mind, are simply too "prejudicial" to acknowledge.
     This liberal mind has an affinity for the whole concept of due process, for the observation of constitutional rights and so on.  We can't say that Wilson didn't shoot - and kill - Brown because we know he did, but there will be a determination as to whether there is sufficient evidence to charge Wilson with a crime and move this case along to an actual trial.  That's all the grand jury is deciding, you know - they aren't going to render a verdict.  And as much as people like you will use a no-bill to "prove" Wilson is innocent of a crime he was never charged with, that's not really what that will mean.  Just as a decision to charge him will not mean Wilson is guilty - it will mean they deemed the evidence sufficient to bring charges.  If that were to happen, Wilson would still be deemed innocent until a trial court jury renders a verdict otherwise..  

    When Brown saw Wilson backing up to him, he could hardly have failed to appreciate that he was faced with the prospect of being "frisked," with disastrous consequence.
    So, what, now you can divine the thoughts of someone who's dead?  Have you ever considered why it was that, upon seeing the police vehicle, Brown didn't immediately beat feet out of the area?  Have you considered why someone you claim had to have been in fear of arrest was, at the time Wilson encountered him, walking in the middle of the street, which was sure to draw someone's attention?  It would appear that your analytical skills don't extend to that level.  

    Can anyone name a single media source that has communicated these considerations to the public?  I thought not.  
    Perhaps the media, as bad as they can be, aren't willing to put thoughts into a now-dead person's head, or presume to speak for someone who cannot speak for himself.

    The prolonged silence of the grand jury leads to one of two conclusions:  The most credible evidence exonerates Wilson, or some sort of massive "cover up," involving not only Ferguson but St. Louis County, is in progress.  If the latter, one would think Holder would say something.
    The "prolonged silence" of the grand jury doesn't have to mean either of those things, as much as you would like to set it up like that; it seems odd to me that you haven't considered "being thorough" to be a possibility, especially in light of the inevitable disagreement on their decision, no matter which way they decide.  I have a feeling they'd like to be able to defend their decision.

    Finally, I find it odd that you're taking this higher-moral-ground approach to the possibility of violence, looking to blame the media and some as-yet-unnamed people who apparently crave attention, when just the other day you were wetting your pants with excitement for that violence to happen because you felt it would serve the fortunes of a cause that gets uglier, dumber, more small-minded and, yes, more violent, all the time.

    But at least we now know one thing for sure: you can talk out of both sides of your mouth and still not say anything intelligible.

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    The media has come very close to inciting (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:09:35 PM EST
    The media has come very close to inciting to riot here.

    Oh, so it's the media that's the problem here?

    I rarely watch the news but I did see a piece last night about this.

    A news crew in Ferguson basically reported on the news crews in Ferguson.

    The reporter said something like "As you can see, on that side of the street there are Ferguson police officers and on this side are dozens of...news crews."

    He talked about how the news crews are there and the tension between how the don't really want there to be any violence, but if there is no violence there is no story, and they want a story, so...

    He went on to show a video clip that apparently his station got and aired online of someone swinging what looked like a traffic cone at someone else, and his comment was "My producer loved this one, lots of clicks."

    Anyway, imo, similar to conversations I read here regarding the US and conflicts in the middle east, who is inciting what seems to be very much a matter of opinion.

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    So essentially, they're bored and this is (none / 0) (#44)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:15:03 PM EST
    the best they can come up with to keep Ferguson percolating in the public consciousness.

    This is why I read books; I see less and less evidence that "the media" have the first clue what it is they're doing, but whatever it is, it all seems to be driven by ratings and money.

    Sometimes, I do despair.

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    It could be worse, Anne. (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 06:45:59 PM EST
    We could also be talking about Bill Cosby in this thread. Ugh! Don Henley pretty much had the media's number with "Dirty Laundry."

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    I wondered (none / 0) (#81)
    by sj on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 06:54:56 PM EST
    when someone would bring that up.

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    Then please let me be the last. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 12:26:56 AM EST
    Let's instead segue into a true moment of stupid. ESPN Major League Baseball analyst Curt Schilling takes to Twitter to denounce Darwin's Theory of Evolution. His ESPN colleague Keith Law jumps onto the thread to dispute Schilling's anti-science contentions.

    So, guess who's Twitter account was suspended by ESPN?

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    I would guess Law (none / 0) (#106)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 04:08:32 PM EST
    because he would be the only one that broke an ESPN rule. You can't speak out publicly against another ESPN employee.

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    This is (none / 0) (#107)
    by Zorba on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 04:44:45 PM EST
    one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
    Curt Schilling is an idiot, and ESPN suspended the wrong guy from Twitter.
    Although, to be frank, I would not have suspended either of them from Twitter.  Let them both tweet to their hearts' content.
    Those people who have more than two neurons to rub together will decide that Law is right, and Schilling is not.
    I do wonder if the reason that ESPN suspended Law as opposed to Schilling is because they think that the ESPN fans are uneducated enough that they believe in creationism, rather than evolution.
    Ah, well.  {{Sigh}}

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    My opinion (none / 0) (#33)
    by whitecap333 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:31:54 PM EST
    that Wilson was "on the lookout" for Brown is based on his radio inquiry to other officers if he could be of assistance in locating the "thieves."

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    White (none / 0) (#60)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:34:59 PM EST
    Wilson was "on the lookout" for Brown is based on his radio inquiry

    You mean this:

    "At noon, Wilson reports that he's back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves - units 25 and 22 - if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared."

    Don't you think that if he thought he had found them jaywalking on Canfield that he should have and would have picked up the radio and called it in to dispatch and Units 22 and 25 post haste???

    Or was he trying to be a hero and was going to singlehandedly try to make the collar himself by shooting them???

    Even in his 12:02 dispatch there is no inkling that the jaywalkers were the two they were looking for.

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    I am profoundly (none / 0) (#61)
    by whitecap333 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:49:11 PM EST
    thankful that the safety of the public doesn't rest on the shoulders of people like you.

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    Yeah, much better for it to rest on the (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Anne on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 03:01:26 PM EST
    shoulders of cops like Wilson, whose actions put the public at more risk, not less.  The people who live in the residential area where Wilson was firing his weapon are probably profoundly grateful that one or more of those shots he fired didn't injure or kill them.  Shots that it does not seem reasonable to me ever needed to be fired.

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    Whiteline (none / 0) (#22)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:56:48 AM EST
    When he radioed "Put me on Canfield with two, and send me a car," moments after admonishing Brown and Johnson to clear the road, he obviously intended to question Brown (still clutching cigars.)

    He had a funny way of questioning suspects. He had already shot him before he made the call to dispatch.

    He shoots them and then begins to question them??? Is that proper police procedure???

    Or is it: "shoot em, call for backup, and then shoot em some more so they can't be questioned".

    12:01:57 Wilson's 3 second call to dispatch begins: "21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car".

    12:02:00 Wilson's 3 second call to dispatch ends and he then begins to chase Brown down.

    12:02:07 Wilson begins shooting Brown who is now facing him 135 feet from the police SUV. [Final barrage of 10 shots takes 7 seconds]

    12:02:14 Wilson fires the last of 10 shots and Brown now lies dead on the street.

    And some people ask me why a Timeline is important.

    It's 4U.

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    You change your timeline every day. (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:10:44 PM EST
    Can't wait to see it when you have it right.

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    To be brutally frank, I can't wait (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Zorba on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:24:50 PM EST
    until commenters stop obsessing over said timeline.


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    Ha! I'm with you. (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:44:27 PM EST
    In fact there are several other commenters and/or topics that people here seem to obsess over that I'd prefer stop too!

    Ah well, my only recourse is to just read the comments/commenters that interest me, and skip the ones that don't...

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    LOL! (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Zorba on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:07:50 PM EST
    Definitely the way to go.
    You just have to let some comments flow past your eyes without really reading them.
    These are different for all of us, I'm sure, but at least this is not a blog where everyone just says the exact same thing all the time.
    I do appreciate different perspectives.  Well, as long as people don't totally obsess over things to the point of complete boredom.    ;-)


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    So I can take your name (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:30:43 PM EST
    out of the Table Captain race??


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    sarc, I'll never stop talking about fishing. (none / 0) (#99)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 12:18:53 PM EST
    Linking to your own comment (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:32:56 PM EST
    is not exactly the way to gain credibility.

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    There seems (none / 0) (#1)
    by lentinel on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 09:30:00 AM EST
    to be, imo, much more feverish debate about the immigration bill than there was or has been about our being committed to war in Iraq and Syria.

    You are right (1.00 / 2) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:09:24 AM EST
    and the cause is that most of the Repub base believe we should be in Iraq and Syria fighting ISIS not processing undocumented children who have walked across the border.

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    Well...I could argue that the GOP base supports (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:16:38 AM EST
    both those things. They are not mutually exclusive.

    But what I am wondering about is whether Obama really supports this expansion of war or whether he felt backed into a political corner to do it? It only matters because I am wondering if he hopes to gain some political capital with this immigration policy and the resulting GOP infighting, then use his increased clout to flout the GOP on the war policy.

    I know, I am acting like he ever knew how to use political capital or clout. Sigh.

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    What is (1.00 / 1) (#53)
    by lentinel on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:59:24 PM EST
    the difference whether Obama really supports the expansion of war, or is backed into a corner?

    The end result is that we either have a guy who believes something that he can't even try to achieve, or a guy who is the enabler of things in which he doesn't believe. What's the difference? Who cares what he thinks. Who could possibly know what this guy thinks?

    The bottom line is that those of us who voted for, or wished for, a progressive agenda - or at least a 180° turn from that disgusting Bush - got absolutely nothing in return. Nothing.

    We got a rag. A dishrag. A chump.

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    I apologize. (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by lentinel on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 03:47:20 PM EST
    It was wrong of me to characterize the President as a chump.

    He is a good, well meaning, highly intelligent person who is incapable of promoting, fighting for or achieving a progressive agenda.

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    I withdraw my apology.... (1.00 / 1) (#104)
    by lentinel on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 03:31:06 PM EST
    Bottom line: I admit to feeling that immigration, as important as it is as an issue, is being used to keep us engaged while they continue to slaughter and encourage slaughter while our backs are facing elsewhere.

    From Today's NYTimes:

    In a Shift, Obama Extends U.S. Role in Afghan Combat
    The president's order would allow American forces to carry out missions against the Taliban and other militant groups threatening American troops or the Afghan government, sources said.

    Chump doesn't describe it.
    Devious is closer to the reality.

    We're the chumps.


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    I don't see how (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 01:25:45 PM EST
    he can do any more to "flout" the country on his war/foreign policy.

    But then I guess things can always get worse.

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    Serial podcast - anyone else hooked? (none / 0) (#2)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 09:31:09 AM EST
    Not sure there will ever be any clear resolution to 'whodunit', but it is an interesting story about criminal justice, and how the police can collect and shape the evidence to support the story they want to tell. It is pretty clear that they worked with their informant to do that, and that his story as told in court does not really hold up. Seems to me to be plenty of reasonable doubt. I don't think the conviction was justified, but did Saed actually do it? That does not seem likely to me either.

    Yes, I am obsessing...on reddit and slate too.

    Joshua and the nerd herd tell (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:07:08 AM EST
    Me I am behind the times and concepts, just behind in everything because I don't reddit.  Now you reddit too?

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    The "nerd herd"! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    I love it!  Sounds like my kids and their friends when they were younger, and most of my nieces and nephews now.
    And my brothers, too, for that matter, when they were young.
    Oh, and Mr. Zorba too, for that matter.
    (Well, they're all still nerds.)
    I'm surrounded by nerds!     ;-)

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    Only for this one thing! (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 10:14:21 AM EST
    I heard about this (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:04:42 PM EST
    just earlier this week. I haven't given it a go yet, but I intend to.

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    Turner Classic Movies (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:26:50 AM EST
    just reappeared on my channel guide.  CNN has not reappeared.  Maybe more people complained about TCM.

    Hooray

    TCM is more worthwhile (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 11:32:25 AM EST
    than CNN any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  Wish I didn't have to buy a premium package to get it, but also glad I haven't ponied up for it, because I'd never get anything else done.

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    Or.... (none / 0) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:12:25 PM EST
    ...they go it for next to nothing.

    Either way, it's what you wanted and there are like 5 channels that are, more or less, interchangeable with CNN.

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    It's raining cold and miserable outside (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:42:16 PM EST
    i am sitting by the fire with a joint, in a dogpile, watching Broadway Melody of 1940.  Fred Astaire and Eleanor Powell.

    Life is good.

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    Howdy, we know you're watching Moonshiners. (none / 0) (#101)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    Today TCM (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 03:05:07 PM EST
    had the original King Kong and THEM!!!

    Another great sit by the fire and watch it rain day.

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    Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- As a grand jury gets closer to deciding whether or not to indict Officer Darren Wilson, the man who fatally shot Michael Brown is in the final stages of negotiations with Ferguson city officials to resign, sources close to the talks said.


    The Ferguson officer could announce his plans to resign as soon as Friday, the same day a St. Louis County grand jury meets to deliberate and possibly decide on an indictment.
    If a grand jury decision comes Friday, prosecutors are expected to provide law enforcement with 48 hours notice before making a public announcement, possibly on Sunday.
    The school district for Jennings, Missouri -- which neighbors Ferguson -- has canceled classes for Monday and Tuesday of next week, according to its Facebook page.


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    It Would Be Nice... (none / 0) (#57)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:20:33 PM EST
    ...if the public actually got his statement of what happened.  Some people are ready to riot, some ready to make him cop of the year, all without knowing what he believed happened that day.

    IMO he can't every be a cop, no department wants that stigma and he's got a giant bulls-eye, deserved or not, that in some circles killing him would be the grandest thing one could do, especially in prison.

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    Probably write a book though.

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    Wonder how much of the (none / 0) (#59)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 02:28:42 PM EST
    approximately $500,000 that people donated to him is left?

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    He'll always be welcome in Angola, (none / 0) (#71)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:55:44 PM EST
    the Louisiana prison, that is, where Wilson's brave brothers in Applied Authoritarianism refused to unshackle 67 year old Albert Woodfox so that he could read the court decision overturning his conviction.  Woodfox has been in solitary for most of the past 42 years, holding America's record for the longest-standing period of solitary confinement.

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    crikey (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by sj on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:37:08 PM EST
    that's too horrible.

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    Mitch has vowed that when the new (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 04:24:08 PM EST
    congress arrives THEY WILL ACT!!

    The question (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 06:05:01 PM EST
    is what are they going to act on? Theocracy? Science denialism? Thinly veiled racism?

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    Ferguson (none / 0) (#75)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:37:08 PM EST
    Several schools in the area have announced that school will be closed next week. Ferguson Parks and Recreation has sent out a memo stating that the Civic Center will be closed until further notice and all,classes and activities are cancelled indefinitely. The FBI has sent 100 agents into Ferguson prior to the GJ announcement. National Guard has been deployed.

    Setting the stage for a major confrontation. A disaster waiting to happen.

    I have a bad feeling (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:42:29 PM EST
    about this.

    As they say.

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    I share that feeling (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 05:49:17 PM EST
    Every official decision and move to date has added fuel to the fire IMO.

    All that fire power ready to be unleashed the first time a protester is deemed violent by the police, the military or the Klan.

    Not looking good.

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    I just wrote a new post on this (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 08:38:32 PM EST
    the media reporting is atrocious.

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    Watching Billy Idol on (none / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Nov 21, 2014 at 08:24:58 PM EST
    Guitar Center Sessions, is he still really that hot?  The date of the interview reads 2014, and he's smokin hot, and it looks like he's performing with a hearing aid in each ear.

    Well (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 07:02:58 AM EST
    the headlines this morning are there is nothing to Benghazi for the third time. So I guess the GOP is going to have to finally stop using that to fleece the rubes.

    Yep - GOP led report ... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Yman on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 08:41:25 AM EST
    ... debunks the wingers' silly, Benghazi myths.

    1.  no intelligence failure prior to the attacks
    2.  no stand down order was issued during attacks
    3.  the administration's initial talking points about the attacks were based on the Central Intelligence Agency's assessment at the time, as the administration has long maintained.

    Confirming the earlier investigations and reports by the Accountability Review Board for Benghazi and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

    Looks like a few people will need to come up with some new fairy tales.

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    Oh, I'm sure (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 08:44:10 AM EST
    they'll continue with their stupid conspiracy theories. We had three separate prosecutors for Whitewater clear the Clintons back in the 90's and they still believe there was something to that.

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    LIke I said... (none / 0) (#91)
    by lentinel on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 08:18:14 AM EST
    NYTimes
    In a Shift, Obama Extends U.S. Role in Afghan Combat
    The president's order would allow American forces to carry out missions against the Taliban and other militant groups threatening American troops or the Afghan government, sources said.

    While we're looking at the immigration brouhaha, Obama goes to work in the opposite direction.

    No discussion.
    No nothing.
    Just war and more war.

    How a Buddhist views the 1%: (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 11:04:43 AM EST
    In a stark reminder of the gulf between rich and poor in Myanmar, he is paid the equivalent of $150 a month, a salary that might buy him one of those cars at the end of his career -- if he saved every penny.
    The third of five children from a rice-farming family in a remote village three miles from the Bay of Bengal, he shows no resentment toward the wealth that flashes past, only Buddhist fatalism.
    "Everyone has their own destiny," he said during a break from directing traffic at the corner of Dhammazedi and Link Roads, his usual spot not far from Shwedagon Pagoda. "The rich are rich because they did many good things in their past life. Everyone has their own place."
    . [NYT; the article is about a police officer in Yangon, Myanmar, who directs traffic 12 hours/day.]

    Buddhist fatalism was one of (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 11:12:30 AM EST
    Christopher Hitchens biggest beefs with Buddhism. It allows selfish destructive damaging people to continue to do evil to innocents over and over again unchecked, unchallenged.

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    Giving new meaning to ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 03:23:31 PM EST
    ... the term "political stall," the Idaho GOP has hired former Sen. Larry Craig to widen the financial stance of their executive committee.

    It's not easy to get (none / 0) (#105)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 22, 2014 at 04:06:01 PM EST
    stall and stance into one sentence on finance

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