Thursday Night Open Thread: "Tax Man" Time

October 15, the deadline for filing last year's tax returns, is right around the corner. My accountant's deadline was today, but I'm not done, so he has graciously given me until tomorrow morning to get everything to him. I will be buried in paper until the wee hours, with no time to read the news or blog.

For those of you smart enough to have filed on April 15, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    To Jbindc (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 06:00:56 PM EST
    There you go, you've got newer information than I had when writing my post. Thanks.

    Yet, why did it take so long to get that information out? My last search for an update was only a couple of hours ago, and, there was still no confirmation on the shooter's gun.

    Who knows, maybe the police had the information earlier, but, wanted to make double sure on all the facts before making it public. Unfortunately, it could be construed as taking that long to concoct a cover-up story.

    I have to research some more into this case. The original police report I read just seemed to be unnecessarily vague, disjointed, and, missing key evidence. If it went down pretty much as the things you posted, then, in police jargon, it was a "good kill." But, it seemed to skeptical old me that the reason for the initial contact was strangely discombobulated. You know, like in the movies, when a suspect is being questioned by the police, and they ask him a key, incriminating question, and, he coughs just as he whispers the answer.

    lol, well see how this all plays out. Missouri has had the headlines long enough.

    Yeah, the account TS I saw were confusing too (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 06:57:02 PM EST
    Off duty cop, acting as a security guard, armed and chasing someone? Certainly raises my suspicions.  

    That said, I am highly sceptical of the 'sandwich' (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 07:03:52 PM EST
    story. I think this one will be easy to sort out factually.

    For sure, I'm critical of (none / 0) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 11:11:55 PM EST
    anybody treating evidence as a punch line, or, for the purpose of mocking one side or the other. FWIW, Sarah Palin comes to mind, the queen of the distorting zinger. I, even became uncomfortable during the Zimmerman debacle when "armed with a bag of Skittles" was used for the millionth time.

    But, back to this case; the reason I brought it up is quite simple. A single, critical piece of evidence, which would have put the issue to rest immediately, was, amazingly, left out from the Police Captain's statement yesterday. I mean, I don't think I'm being unreasonable, especially after the Ferguson disaster, to question his report. The Captain reported on all of the other items involved in the shooting, but, regarding the deceased, he expected us to be satisfied with, "he shot first?"

    In other similar cases, I've heard things like, "he shot first, and, we're currently looking for the weapon." Or, words to that effect. To simply leave out the corroborative evidence was either a simple "brain freeze" oversight, or, something much worse.

    I'm certainly not looking for trouble where none exists.


    it's only "distorting", because no one (none / 0) (#29)
    by cpinva on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:11:00 AM EST
    "FWIW, Sarah Palin comes to mind, the queen of the distorting zinger."

    can figure out what the hell she's talking about.


    No prob (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 07:43:36 AM EST
    I'd been reading about it all day and was wondering why no one had posted anything about it - so I'm glad you did.  :)

    My guess is they are going to be EXTRA careful in this investigation and in their public statements after the Michael Brown debacle.

    More from overnight.

    And more about Myers.


    From the article (none / 0) (#41)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:33:08 AM EST
    "In a stark difference from the Brown shooting, many details of the Myers shooting were immediately provided by authorities. Dotson said police recovered at the scene a pistol that had been fired at least three times before it jammed. The weapon was reported stolen Sept. 26."

    He was supposed to be wearing an ankle monitor -- was he or wasn't he and if not why not???

    If he bought a sandwich in that store I missed it.

    The difference between the Brown and Myers case is obviously night and day


    Are you (none / 0) (#51)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:23:56 AM EST
    actually trying to start an argument about something?

    Are trying to (none / 0) (#54)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:29:47 AM EST
    allege that I am???

    If you haven't seen last night's (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 06:45:50 PM EST
    Colbert Report, go find it. The whole show is great, takes on gay marriage, Jimmy Carter, naming the new war, and Carol Burnett is the guest.

    Can't tell you how much I am going to miss this show.

    ... with the great Robert Plant as a special guest bearing gifts.

    Just watched that..wonderful (none / 0) (#173)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:41:22 PM EST
    Even bought the vinyl version of Robert's new album :-) Just like Stephen was holding up!

    Sam Harris (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:03:04 AM EST
    When this guy is allowed (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:44:19 AM EST
    to finish a sentence he becomes less easily dismissed as a racist Islamaphobe.

    So how does anyone change those (none / 0) (#109)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:19:42 PM EST
    people's minds? That's the real issue isn't it?

    Anyone with an IQ over ten can see that these violently repressive, in-humanly patriarchal, anti-intellectual religious traditions are a menace to humanity.

    Should Maher & Co get the Pulitzer or Nobel Prize for pointing that out?

    I get it.


    I have to wait to listen to this (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:26:13 PM EST
    interview, but I think you are right, based on previous ones. People don't let him finish, and then jump in and paraphrase him incorrectly.

    I'm going to read the new book (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:56:15 PM EST
    Spirituality Without Religion sounds like something I would say.

    O'Donnell let someone... (none / 0) (#182)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:27:17 PM EST
    ...finish a sentence?


    Too bad he couldn't have extended that courtesy to Stutzman.  


    Happy birthday MOBlue, (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:29:04 AM EST
    you share your birthday with the country western singer Tanya Tucker, who is a bit difficult to interview but can ride horses "like the wind," as they say.  I filmed two different mustang horse roundups with her in the past.  Have a great day MOBlue.

    Thanks for your well wishes (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:16:49 AM EST
    Birthdays are very special. What better occasion for celebration than the day of your birth.

    Birthday weeks are great fun also with celebrations with different groups of friends and family on different evenings. Birthday week is being strung out a little this year since we have to wait for my youngest grandson to return home from college next weekend. The final family celebration will occur next Saturday.


    HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:19:34 AM EST
    Happiest of birthdays, Blue - (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:40:26 AM EST
    nothing wrong with an extended celebration, in my opinion - the longer you've been alive, the longer the celebration should be, don't you think?

    Two birthdays in our family this week - my daughter's 28th birthday was yesterday, and my husband's 66th is Sunday - having the whole gang over for food and fun.  My daughter is due to have her first baby in a couple weeks, so her only request was, "nothing spicy - I get terrible heartburn!"

    Hope all your various celebrations are fun - and all best wishes for a great year ahead!


    Definitely nothing wrong with (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:54:21 AM EST
    an extended celebration. Had my first chocolate martini Wednesday night at a restaurant that specializes in every drink imaginable. Think they have two menu pages devoted to alcoholic beverages and one page for ice cream drinks.

    Wednesday night's celebration  was with my daughter and SIL. After dinner we went to the Fox Theatre to see a performance by this years top 10 dancers from "So you think you can dance." The dancing was amazing and ranged from ballet to Bollywood. Evidently my daughter watched the TV show throughout the season, since she knew all about each of the dancers which made it more interesting.

    Tonight is Southwestern cooking. Tonight's restaurant specializes in margaritas. They advertise that they have the best I n town. Not sure that they are correct but they are very, very good. They go extremely well with the black and blue quesadillas I will probably order. Meeting my party at the restaurant so I will probably limit myself to one. Bummer.

    Enjoy your family's birthday celebrations this week. I'm sure the food will be great. Even more to celebrate this year with a new grand baby on the way.

    Thanks for the wishes and enjoy Sunday.


    Very, very ,very (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:11:08 PM EST
    Happy birthday!  String out the celebrations as long as you can!

    Thanks Mrs. Z (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:25:50 PM EST
    A lot of people seem to dread having birthdays. Not me. I've always loved mine.  

    If I could only get an eighteen year old back and knee, all would be well. Have to hit the pool and the hot tub on Tuesdays and Thursdays, to get rid of the aches so that I can dance on Mondays, Wednesdays and for the next few weeks on Thursdays.  We have people in our group who are still dancing in their nineties so hopefully I'll be dancing for a while.

    And no, I am no where close to ninety. ;-D


    Merry New Year! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:17:24 AM EST
    The real new year's day is your birthday...enjoy MO!

    Happy Birthday! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Angel on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:19:36 AM EST
    Thanks for your insight into the Ferguson/Brown/Wilson situation.  

    Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:21:52 PM EST
    A lot is going on behind the scenes that I may not be aware of but I thought it worthwhile to share what I am hearing from the people around me and information in the local papers.

    It appears that there will be a major protest by local and out of town AAs downtown this weekend. It is being scheduled to coincide with people arriving for the Cards  game. I seriously doubt the wisdom of this decision as the potential for confrontation between races seems great and I believe it will lose more support for their cause.


    Happy Birthday! (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:58:17 AM EST
    Birthday weeks (or months) can be great!

    I have to admit there was a time in (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:34:37 PM EST
    my life that I celebrated a birthday month.  Not enough time to fit all the parties in only a week or two.

    Now that I'm a mature woman, I try to limit myself to only a week or two. LOL


    Happy Birthday, Blue. (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:36:38 PM EST
    I will raise a martini in your honor this weekend.

    Happy B-Day (none / 0) (#177)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 07:58:08 PM EST
    Parov Stelar just for fun

    Thanks (none / 0) (#179)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:43:04 PM EST
    That was fun.

    Happy happy (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:44:39 AM EST
    Happy Birthday Blue!!! (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:07:31 PM EST
    Have a great weekend celebrating!

    Problem solved... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:27:24 AM EST
    The university rip-off and crippling student debt problem is solved...go east young man and woman, just gotta Sprechen Sie Deutsch.

    What a difference 100 years makes...people used to come west to escape oligarchy and find opportunity.  

    Good thing (none / 0) (#97)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:23:47 PM EST
    two of my nephews are totally bilingual, English and German.  Their mother is German, and they have spent many summers in Germany.
    In fact, she and my brother have seriously talked about sending the boys to Germany for college.

    Congratulations, Malala Yousafzai, ... (5.00 / 6) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:11:41 PM EST
    ... who's a co-recipient with fellow children's rights activist Kailash Satyarthi of the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize.

    True crime msytery followers (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:33:13 PM EST
    I know you are out there. There is a new podcast called Serial, by This American Life contributor Sarah Keonig, in which she investigates the death of a female Baltimore area high school student in 1999. Keonig's attention was called to it by an letter she received from a friend of the murdered girl's ex-boyfriend, who was convicted of the crime exclusively on the testimony of a friend of his, who says he told him about it. Wrongly convicted? That is what Sarah is investigating.

    There are 3 episodes out now, and she is just getting started telling the story. It is well done - she has interviews with the imprisoned man, his friends, possible alibi witnesses that were never called, and others. I think there are going to be 10 episodes altogether, and she is not even hinting at what she eventually finds.

    Really fascinating.

    Will have to give it a listen; I can't (none / 0) (#130)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:28:18 PM EST
    say that I remember the crime, though.  Leakin Park, where the body was discovered, was notorious for being a place to dump bodies.

    I found this, with some background on how Koenig came to the story.


    Thanks! (none / 0) (#152)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:50:11 PM EST
    Yes, the 3rd episode, is called Leakin Park, and she does tell about that part of the park's history. I looked at it on Google Earth and it looks like such a nice, huge park. Too bad it is used that way...and I am really disappointed I don't remember seeing it on 'The Wire'.

    The Knick (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:55:45 PM EST
    "no, let's douse yours!"

    Nurse Elkins is a freak!


    Also (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:07:36 PM EST
    the beginning of the episode just made me laugh.  In 1970 a friend of mine who had, truthfully along with me, gotten into some quite serious kinds of drug use, broke into the local pharmacy.  Ironically I was at the time working in the sheriffs office as a summer work study job preparing for college in the fall.  The sheriff who was not a bad man had gotten fond of me.  If not things might have unfolded very differently.  Anyway, Tim comes straight from the "job" to my house with his VW bug full of stolen drugs.  Wisely I did not let him leave then there which is why he came.  But later the sheriff told me that he was so unprepared that he had left burnt matches all over the floor reading labels.  He was just drunk and strung out and did it.  Broke the widow just like Thack.  
    But he was not a doctor.  He went to Tucker Prison Farm in AR for several years.  I visited regularly a smuggled stuff in to him.  It was a lot easier then.  No drastic measures required to do that.
    Anyway Thackerys larceny really took me back.

    Aha! A factlett not previously (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 12:19:18 AM EST
    disclosed here. The captain held a work study position at a law enforcement office.

    I guess the more things change the more (none / 0) (#192)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:54:35 PM EST
    they stay the same! I feel bad for your friend. Hope he ended up ok!

    Yeah, as drug thieves go, Thack does not hold a lit match to Nurse Elkins, super freak!

    Poor Algie and Nelia. Guess I better not say more so soon in case someone has not watched.


    Previously.tv has a beautiful (none / 0) (#195)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:12:48 PM EST
    screenshot (spoiler alert!) of that image with Cornelia and the Sister on the steps. I was admitting that scene while it was on. So gorgeous with their different yet complementary costumes.

    Plus the usual great snark!


    Admiring...and admitting I was admiring... (none / 0) (#196)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:13:24 PM EST
    And reading your comment Captain (none / 0) (#197)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 12:08:07 AM EST
    is why I now realize I should not just skip over threadletts about shows I don't watch. Thanks for that history!

    And now, Idaho is a land of marriage equality (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:46:09 PM EST
    Justice Kennedy gave the state two days to justify a delay.  The whole court then considered what the state filed today, and now says, "No way, no more delay,, you have to follow the Ninth Circuit decision." Equal marriage rights in Idaho, as well as Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, and California.  The rest of the Ninth Circuit states, that is, Arizona, Montana and Alaska will soon have to fall in line.

    Mike Huckabee (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 05:34:19 PM EST
    is very upset-

    Appearing on the American Family Association's radio show this week, Huckabee was discussing gay marriage and said: "If the Republicans want to lose guys like me -- and a whole bunch of still God-fearing Bible-believing people -- go ahead and just abdicate on this issue, and why you're at it, go ahead and say abortion doesn't matter, either."

    "Because at that point, you lose me," Huckabee said. "I'm gone. I'll become an independent. I'll start finding people that have guts to stand. I'm tired of this."

    Run Mikey run!


    Amazing (none / 0) (#164)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:48:08 PM EST
    Girls, don't ask for a raise (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:38:07 PM EST
    you will have "good karma" if you do not demand equality!

    Microsoft CEO to women: Not asking for a raise is 'good karma'

     and in other relevant current news, from October 9 2014 :

    Report: Many Companies Now Offering Women Permanent, Unpaid Maternity Leave

    Will the real news please stand up??

    Saw that about the Microsoft guy (5.00 / 3) (#193)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:59:26 PM EST
    And boy, he is sure representative of the attitude isn't he? Be a good quiet girl and we will let you play in our sandbox.  He committed a Biden style gaffe, speaking the truth out loud.

    Yes. Ruffian (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 12:11:48 AM EST
    This is the spoken truth. And not just from men, women too preach this -- to their children, relatives, friends, etc etc etc. Women are as sexist as men so often. And we live in a "progressive" culture. Not too "progressed" IMO.

    and one more comment before this thread closes (none / 0) (#200)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 12:25:00 AM EST
    We are all either reading and/or commenting on a blog which is owned, designed and run by a WOMAN. That woman writes informed, well researched and balanced, views on legal issues, world events, and politics. She actually tolerates reasonable civil debate.  She does not need to ask Microsoft CEO for a raise - he needs HER approval, and should ask for it.

    ZtoA at #197 (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 05:49:36 AM EST
    s why I now realize I should not just skip over threadletts about shows I don't watch. Thanks for that history!

    That is also why I scan the cooking threads!

    Today at the Supreme Court (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 04:51:27 PM EST
    An unusual case regarding the Federal Rules of Evidence

    Thanks to a circuit split, Supreme Court is taking one of its rare visits to the world of evidence doctrine. At issue in Warger v. Shauers is whether, in support of a motion for a new trial, a juror may testify about statements by another juror during deliberations, when the testimony is offered to show that the other juror was dishonest in answers to voir dire questions. Federal Rule of Evidence 606(b) generally prohibits testimony of jurors about statements made during deliberations when the testimony is offered in "an inquiry into the validity of a verdict or indictment."

    Dear SCOTUS, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:12:40 PM EST
    Please hold the line

    Oh, c'mon now! (none / 0) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:38:17 PM EST
    Johnnie Roberts and the Deaftones have already neatly gutted a century's worth of campaign finance law like a fish being prepped for the grill, and have further decreed that institutional racism no longer exists in the South. Why should basic trial procedure be exempt from all the fun and mayhem?



    Working on ours this weekend. Waiting to (none / 0) (#2)
    by Angel on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 05:36:36 PM EST
    receive the K1's from the accountant....tick tock tick tock.    

    you have a very, very understanding CPA (i'm (none / 0) (#5)
    by cpinva on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 06:53:06 PM EST
    assuming he/she is a CPA). were it me, I'd have been all over your butt, for the past two weeks, wanting to know where the stuff was. of course, he also probably doesn't see your return as particularly complex, and unless you've had some weird, extraordinary event happen last year, it's just a matter of plugging the numbers into the right places. in any event, he must like you, a lot.

    Jan Hooks... (none / 0) (#8)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 07:45:54 PM EST
    was one funny person. The Sweeney Sisters was the best. Sorry to see her go.

    Oh no, sorry to hear that (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:04:13 PM EST
    I loved the Sweeny Sisters too. So funny. RIP ,Jan - more duets with Phil Hartman new.

    bummer, just now read that. (none / 0) (#30)
    by cpinva on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:18:14 AM EST
    that was one of the better casts on SNL, probably 2 or 3. she was one of the actually talented women on the show, cast because she was really very funny. like the original cast members, was more than simply a reasonably successful stand-up comic, that Lorne Michels could plug in as a required female part.

    ugh, 2013 taxes, I forgot about them (none / 0) (#10)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:10:01 PM EST
    gotta get on it rather soon.

    especially after Dow plunged today (none / 0) (#13)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:38:06 PM EST
    I don't have a lot of money, or money invested (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 09:47:27 PM EST
    But I'm well enough off. Don't plan to retire. None of my artist friends retire.

    My "Stragedy" (=strategy combined with tragedy) is to be as out of debt as possible. Other than that I hardly ever pay attention to money. Make deposits and auto pay bills, go over $$ once a year, always late, for taxes. Own my house. My daughter's school is paid off. Drive a beaten up very old van which is reliable and cheep to own and run (and which I like - even tho my sister kids me that is looks like a "rolling meth lab"), and splurge on dinners that I cook for friends and family every once in a while; never take extended or expensive vacations yet like to keep flowers in my home year round. That is my Stragedy.


    I provided tax materials to my accountant today. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Green26 on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 09:32:58 PM EST
    This was several days earlier than last year. Everything, in terms of general format, is in the accountant's computer from prior years, and there aren't many changes from year except the actual numbers that are input each year, so doing the taxes isn't that big of a deal for the accountant. However, I wouldn't be able to figure out how to do the return no matter how much time I had.

    cooking.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:37:29 PM EST
    I am going to try to do a Maillard reaction steak for a dinner with family sunday. It's my first time trying that and my niece just got a good job as a paralegal in a criminal defense firm so a celebration is in order (I've been telling her for many years she should go into the law!). Watch out legal system! She is a true fighter and is so methodical and intelligent and smart. She also has....a bit of a temper. I'm  going to give her a link to TL on Sunday. :)

    Squeaky turned me onto  steak cooked with a Malliard reaction (googling it now and will attempt to go back and find Squeaky's original links to it). I also plan to make a broccoli salad with a recipe I'm trying to invent. So far I plan to sous-vide the peeled stalk then slice thin, and fast steam the florets. I want to also include avocado and toasted pine nuts and some sort of creamy bacon dressing and a bit of grated manchego cheese. Probably some red onion too. Topped with a few pumpkin sprouts which are still growing in my frig. Right now, I need some serious stress reduction so planning and then cooking a dinner is just the ticket. That and a few potato chips while planning. I think that's it for the main course. Any other suggestions? (I can't eat tomatoes.)

    wish I was back home in pdx for this event, (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:45:08 PM EST
    sounds muy complicado...buena suerte y bien provechal...

    Haha! not an "event" just a dinner (none / 0) (#16)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:51:24 PM EST
    (I know you were joking). I'd send you some but I think it would probably be not so good when it actually arrived. ps, could you translate pls?

    buena suerte y bien provechal (none / 0) (#28)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:56:48 AM EST
    good suet and good provincial.... what?  Wish I could get a translate. site on my computer to work. Need to wait till I get a new computer I guess..... come on stupid computer ---work properly OK?

    "Good luck and good advantage" (none / 0) (#33)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:19:45 AM EST
    is the literal translation, but I suspect the colloquial one is more along the lines of "good luck and enjoy your meal."

    I used Google Translate, if that helps!


    Correcto Anne (none / 0) (#38)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:05:23 AM EST
    ever try roasting the veggies over the grill? (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by cpinva on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:26:22 AM EST
    I have a strage container of fresh-cut broccoli florrets, marinated in olive oil, and seasoned with one of those "Mrs. Dash's no-sodiukm herb & spice blends. use a special grill plan to cook them in. oil the cold grates first, helps keep food from sticking. then fire up per normal. this ism' a dish to put on the grill and walk away from, as you'll be constantly turning the florets over as they heat and cook.

    very tasty! few food dishes cannot be at least somewhat improved, by introducing them to a grill.


    Bok choi, sliced eggplant and ... (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:46:06 PM EST
    ... red'n'yellow bell peppers are also great to grill. I first coat the bok choi and eggplant in olive oil, and then sprinkle it generously with cracked black pepper. I also like to dip eggplant in Cajun spices before grilling, but that's not necessarily everyone's taste. We happen to like spicy food.

    Mr. Zorba (none / 0) (#167)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 05:03:15 PM EST
    Also likes to grill red, yellow, orange, bell peppers on the grill.  Serve that with some good olive oil, grated Parmesan or Romano cheese, cracked black pepper, it's all good.  And if you want to drizzle a bit of really good balsamic vinegar on it, that's great, too.
    Eggplant is also excellent grilled.  I don't use Cajun spices with it, but I certainly wouldn't object to them!

    We like to (none / 0) (#94)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:17:46 PM EST
    roast zucchini on the grill.  In fact, we grilled the last of our zucchini last weekend.
    Big portabella mushrooms are also great on the grill.
    I have never done broccoli, although I'm sure it would be very tasty.  Also Brussels sprouts.

    Mmmm...the salad sounds great! (none / 0) (#17)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 09:03:13 PM EST
    Have you thought about adding a little citrus maybe, to cut the richness just a little?  

    I was going to suggest a starch, but I think you need something that won't need butter or cheese.  What about roasted cippoline onions and julienned carrots with a balsamic reduction?  Or maybe just a simple roasted asparagus with a gremolata - the bit of lemon and the cleanness of the asparagus would be light and a nice contrast to the richness of the meat and the creaminess of the salad.

    Golly, I just ate dinner not so long ago, and this is making me hungry!

    We're having the family for dinner on Sunday - my daughter's birthday is today and my husband's on Sunday.  Consensus seems to be for tenderloin, and I will also do a salad - we've been doing a CSA and I have lots of greens (I couldn't help it, I had cook us the fresh broccoli last night - so good!) of various kinds.

    And of course, I need to come up with a dessert...am thinking of something with a little bit of a fall flavor, maybe something with apples/caramel or pumpkin/spice.  We'll see.

    Congrats to your niece - have a great celebration!


    Thanks so much Anne! (none / 0) (#19)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 09:37:41 PM EST
    I think maybe simple roasted potatoes might be nice - they don't have the sugar carrots do and I am not a huge fan of a sweet flavor. Yes, some lemon zest to the broccoli salad!  Finger food first, then entree, then ice cream. Yeah, I'm a bit hungry too....no, not hungry just want a few more junk-food chips.

    I like to cook food that is basically easy to prepare and can mostly be prepared in advance. I have no idea why people say "easy as pie". IMO pie is not easy to make. A good crust is difficult and the filling even harder. Plus I don't like tasting while I'm making a dessert since I really don't like the sweet flavors.  So my idea of a good dessert is a really nice port or even brandy and cheeses. Ice cream when it is family. :)

    Hope your family dinner/even on sunday is fun. Happy birthday to the Libras in your family.


    It's funny, isn't it, what we find easy or (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 10:15:51 PM EST
    hard when it comes to cooking/baking?  I think pie crust is one of the easiest things to make, and not hard to make well.  Maybe that's partially because my mom and my grandmothers were both good crust-makers, and I've been "helping" since I was old enough to stand on a chair next to the kitchen counter!

    My helpful hints are: (1) everything needs to be cold - the flour, the shortening (and I mostly use Crisco, or mostly Crisco with a little butter), the ice water, the kneading surface; (2) use your hands, but work fast, so the shortening doesn't start to soften and melt into the flour.  (3) add the water a little at a time - you can always add more, but once you add too much, you have to mess with the proportions too much to get back to where you want to be. (4) you can substitute ice-cold vodka for some of the water - it bakes off, and really helps with flakiness). (5) don't work it too much once it starts to clump together.  (6) roll it out on a cold surface.

    Easy-peasy, really!

    We will definitely have carrots - they are a favorite of both the Libras; and some kind of potato - also a family favorite.  And green beans...the latest favorite are little "bundles" of fresh beans, parboiled and wrapped in lightly-cooked bacon and "painted" with a butter, brown sugar, soy sauce, minced garlic glaze and baked off in the oven.

    I, too, like simple dishes that can be prepped ahead, so more time can be spent with guests. A couple years ago, I started "cookbooks" for my daughters with many of the family favorite/traditional dishes that they both love.  It was harder than I thought, because a lot of dishes I just make out of my head, but they both loved the starter books (I really need to add to them - will make a nice stocking stuffer for Christmas).

    If you've never been on Pinterest, you can find a million ideas for really yummy dishes there (but after about 10 minutes, you will be saying, "no wonder Americans are fat!")


    "easy-peasy" it is NOT! (none / 0) (#26)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 11:51:40 PM EST
    At least for me! My grandma was a great pie maker and she taught me. My mom probably added baby marshmallows to her crusts ( :) ). I've tried it and, well, since I don't like eating sweets I have no idea if they were good or not. Have not hand made a dessert, other than the Mondrian cake, for years. That was just for the fun of trying to do the design tho. I actually did not eat a piece.

    I too really don't like to spend time in the kitchen when a dinner has started. Thanksgiving is always hosted by my house (meaning me as the person who does the work) and I have family helpers for days beforehand where we can hang out and do some simple pre-cooking tasks like making stock and other pre-made foods) then on the day of cooking all the kids show up to "help". I use those quote marks intentionally. They show up to "help" and that means, for me - who is doing the actual cooking - that I still cook and also that I feed them breakfast and lunch too and enjoy their chatter (which I do). Being chattered at in the kitchen are some of my favorite memories from this life so far.

    My daughter told me that one of her favorite memories of a family T-Giving feast was to, for a moment, escape a hot fireplace burning home - for just a minute - and peel off chocolate painted on some leave. I had done that earlier to get the chocolate to set in the shape of a leaf for some dessert which I did not taste or eat) and ----suddenly the world was quiet, and chill, and there was chocolate on the leaves. Then to dive back into that hot family soup of a celebration centered around a 'feast'.


    Have you tried (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 07:34:34 AM EST
    making the Cook's Illustrated pie crust? It is made with vodka and I did an apple pie and won a bake off with it.

    Cook's Illustrated is where I first (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:34:37 AM EST
    learned about using vodka in the pie dough.

    Have to say, though, that in all the years I've been making pie crust, I've never had a problem with it not being light and flaky, so I can't say as I noticed a marked difference using the vodka.

    I've always used my hand to work in the shortening - rubbing it between my fingers and thumb, as opposed to cutting it with a pastry cutter.  I use a fork to stir in the water/vodka, one tablespoon at a time, and a deep pastry bowl.  

    And once I think it's got enough liquid to hold together, that's it - I squeeze it together into a ball, separate it if it's a two-crust pie and get to rolling.  

    I don't know - I've just never found it hard to do, but honestly, some of the pre-made crusts are good enough that no one should feel guilty using them instead of making from scratch.  It's all about what you like to do and what you have time for!


    My problem (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:00:42 AM EST
    tends to be that the crust is hard to manage and falls apart on me. Really though I have a marble pastry board and I probably should put that in the fridge when I'm thinking about making pie crust and that would probably solve that problem.

    I used to be afraid of making pie crusts until one day I was watching Nathalie Dupree on TV and she was talking about so what if you mess it up? You've only wasted a few cents worth of ingredients and that made me brave enough to try to make it. And after doing it all these years I can figure out how to save the dough if I screw it up somehow.


    I love to cook (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:29:21 PM EST
    and I am pretty good at it.  But I believe knowing you limitations can be a great strength.  Pastry cooking is mine.  Fine.  Moving on.  This IMO is why God made frozen pie crusts.

    Oddly my 90 year old mom has completely (none / 0) (#22)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 10:15:41 PM EST
    lost her sense of smell. That means she cannot taste very well either. When I was there visiting and taking care of her in Sept she had a bottle of flax oil in her frig. It was rancid and I tasted it and it was awful !!  She could also not smell the mold (it was extensive and some is black mold) in her basement. Neither taste nor smell have ever been part of her appreciation or expression (she is a true thinker/intellectual). Her cooking is not very yummy - baby marshmallows in jello with shredded carrot kinds of things.

    But I still have a sense of smell and the smell of a fresh veggie, or salmon or whatever is a true communication that I appreciate. I do not have world class taste, nor can I really truly distinguish a great from a good wine for example. But I am a decent home cook and really like the self-expression of that every once in a while.

    In my experience, midwesterners have a different style of eating than west-coasters. (of course my policy is 'when in Rome') Everything is full of sugar and refined starches. The west coaster contingent of the family is always questioned about our food choices. We always answer very politely and then invite them to visit the west coast (thinking to ourselves "come see that food is not the exact same everywhere on earth and that other styles actually co-exist on the planet").

    I would like to have a dinner for artist friends with an "art installation" theme. The centerpiece would be some sort of tank (small enough to fit as a centerpiece) with liquid (?) and a whole salmon (cooked, but whole) in it. See Damien Hirst. The main entree of salmon would be served out of that tank. I'm still gathering ideas for the 'side' dishes, 'finger' foods to start, and 'desserts'. Any suggestions would be appreciated!


    #$%^*##%$ calling Squeaky... (none / 0) (#27)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:20:20 AM EST
    I found your link to the perfect steak cooked ducasse (in May 2014), then I somehow lost it. Now I can't find it again. It was going to be my guide.

    Could you (if you are reading) do that link again??


    Well, I'm not squeaky (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:55:01 AM EST
    just that your torrent of tears, heading into the weekend, was getting unbearable.

    Here's the Link my friend
    Sunday Night Open Thread: Grilling Edition
    May 25, 2014


    Thanks Squeaky and NYshooter (none / 0) (#70)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:35:17 AM EST
    Hah! Add to that torrent of tears some health issues, plus needing a cane even around the house AND my computer is going nuts. I can just sit and watch the cursor dart all over the screen. Sometimes it closes tabs. It might be amusing except, like I tell my computer, - I - am supposed to be in control of the cursor! I even had to rob my desktop of its mouse and even the mouse is not in complete control.

    Since that's where you're wrong... (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:42:32 AM EST
    you still think the computer is the tool...somewhere along the line we became the tools, working for the computer.

    Don't feel bad...it's a common misconception ZtoA;)


    I just wonder what the computers (none / 0) (#80)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55:57 AM EST
    say to each other about us humans.  "gads, it must be monday, these humans are so grumpy" "Yeah, can you believe how stupid these human are?! they don't even know how to hit the right keys" "tell me about it, well, I'm off to a nice vacation, see ya later"....crash.

    lol... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:02:40 PM EST
    "Watch me make this human's hard drive crash with a nonsensical error message!"

    Perfect Steak (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by squeaky on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:10:28 AM EST
    ala Ducasse

    The potatoes in the recipe are yummy too!


    Making Stroganoff today (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:22:38 AM EST
    perfect for a brisk rainy day.  

    I did good (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:46:34 AM EST
    venison works well with a little adjustment to seasoning and cooking time.  Maybe even better.  Had some I needed to use.

    Just more fresh mahi mahi down here... (none / 0) (#129)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:18:46 PM EST
    More of a (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:13:41 PM EST
    "turf" than "surf" guy but that does sound good.

    Get to have a fire tonight.  Which I am looking forward to.  But I have no doubt I will be coveting your balmy breezes soon enough.


    Why do CA menus only have Hawaiian (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:21:39 PM EST
    Mahi Mahi?

    Because not many know what (none / 0) (#151)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:36:19 PM EST
    the word Dorado means and nobody wants to eat Dolphin.  They never complete that name to Dolphin fish.  So there you have it, and it was a good question.

    In the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico, ... (none / 0) (#153)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:53:06 PM EST
    ... the fish has long been called the Dorado. But probably over the years, the name Mahimahi (that's actually the correct spelling in Hawaiian, not "Mahi Mahi" or "Mahi-Mahi," as I've seen elsewhere) has become much more recognizable to people.

    The mahimahi is also called the common dolphinfish, but from a marketing standpoint, it's probably not wise to advertise that, lest your patrons come to believe that you've grilled or sautéed Flipper as one of tonight's dinner specials.



    As much as I like Mahi Mahi (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:04:10 PM EST
    (which I had on Easter Island at a French restaurant owned by an Irishman), I never knew I was eating dolphin!

    Kinda like it's catfish, not...

    Dolphin Fish and dolphns are not the same (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:23:36 PM EST
    Mahimahi (Dolphin Fish)

    Other wise known as Dolphin Fish, the original name causes many to mistake them for the porpoise or dolphin. This is not so as Mahimahi is a fish, not a mammal.

    I like mahimahi so I am really glad that it is a rather ugly fish (see photo in link) and not Flipper. Don't think I could ever eat it again if it was Flipper.


    Donald, thanks for that correct (none / 0) (#174)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:42:34 PM EST
    spelling.  I knew it didn't look right the way I was writing it, but sometimes the obvious is just too obvious, if that makes any sense.

    Also, my laptop has really gotten so (none / 0) (#15)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 08:49:15 PM EST
    slow and the touch pad does not work at all anymore. This means I will be going out early next week to buy a new apple laptop.  I'm worried that "the remnants" of two viruses this laptop got will be transferred with my data onto the new device. Can that happen? My computer expert guy (a hired professional consultant who I've worked with for 20 years, and not just a 'love interest' sort of guy) got the virus programs off and it worked OK for a couple of days. But that did not last long and in any case my laptop has been having issues for a year anyhow. Now they are just worse.

    I hate the mall. The mall is a 'challenge' for me. But I will brave the Apple store. Planning to get there as soon as the doors open on monday.

    ClamXav (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:18:47 AM EST
    Good to have a virus checker program on your computer, it also cleans up the bad files... (or gives you a choice to delete)..

    ClamXav is really good for the mac and free...


    Z, be sure to get a new laptop (none / 0) (#48)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:19:56 AM EST
    with a solid state drive, and not the disc drive version.  They cost a bit more but are so much faster you will be stunned.  I installed a 256 GHz ssd in my old Macbook Pro and it's so fast I now never use my giant 27" 1 TB iMac, except for storage, because it's so slow.  You may be able to perk up your existing laptop by using the maintenance programs in the Disc Utility Application, and also deleting some info, if your hard drive is close to full.  I wish I had gotten at least the 512 GHz ssd hard drive, because, with several movies, the space gets used rapidly.  Photos and music also use space, but not like movies.  Don't be afraid to go to the Apple page online, and check out the refurbished computer section at the bottom of the page.  Some very good deals there on quite new computers.  Sometimes, I feel they are not really refurbished, but merely overstocked items.  They arrive at your door in just a couple of days.  I doubt any of your existing viruses will transfer to your new laptop since the various new chips will stop them.  Good luck and have fun.  My email is posted if you have any questions.  The Apple genius guys will help you regardless if you buy new or refurbished.  The problem is getting an appointment with those busy geniuses.  

    Thank you Fish (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:43:21 AM EST
    I have no idea what you wrote here. But I'm going to get your comment on my phone and show it to the apple people when I go to get a new laptop on Monday. I think my laptop is just getting old. Most of my data is on my larger desktop downstairs and that has an external hard drive added and auto-backup every day set up. Of course I did not do the setting up - my brilliant computer consultant did that. I keep so many images on that computer it is always nearly filled. Try to keep this laptop cleaner. Don't know if these issues are even relevant. This is how I feel.

    That vid is hilarious (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:12:28 PM EST
    Many years ago I had a boss who actually did completely wipe the files not once but 3 times.  Drove me and our restoration guys completely crazy.

    Good luck with a new computer. By the time you learn everything you need to know about this new one, it will be obsolete and time to replace it. ;-)


    ZtoA, do you buy at the downtown PDX Apple (none / 0) (#118)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:32:02 PM EST
    store or the Mac Store over by Lloyd Center? I have been patronizing there Mac Store for years, and have found them to be very knowledgable and quite helpful.

    The Mac Store is a locally owned PacNW business, not an Apple owned store. So, I like the whole local business aspect too.


    I go to the apple store at washington sq. mall (none / 0) (#127)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    It is the only mall I ever go to and I know where to park to get to the apple store. I only go there if something is wrong with any of my devices or to get one as a gift for my daughter. Those apple people are so helpful and knowledgeable. I try to get there when it opens. The mall can be completely dead but the apple store is always hopping.

    Wow, the Lloyd's Center, (none / 0) (#132)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:29:12 PM EST
    wasn't that the first mall in Portland?  Even I have ice skated there.  I too like the independent Apple retail store down in Key West.  It's exactly the same distance as the closest Apple store up in the Fall's Mall in Miami, where you only get 15 minutes with a genius, and you should see the pathetic trickle they call the falls.  The independent Apple stores stay with you until you, not them, are satisfied.

    "The falls"? Bb (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:59:55 PM EST
    The maitre'd w/the clipboard (none / 0) (#140)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:03:20 PM EST
    at the entrance told the store was closing in 2 hrs. and no one would be available to help me b/4 that. So I stood next to him and he would glance down and give me tips. He was mightily impressed I knew my password. He said most people don't.

    Ask and receive (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 09:44:15 PM EST
    Gotta link from some source? (none / 0) (#199)
    by Mordiggian 88

    Yes. As a matter of fact I do.

    The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

    The IPCC's remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change.

    In its most recent report, it stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.

    However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.

    The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a master's degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps


    And the cooling world circa Newsweek 4/28/75

    Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.


    The climate cooling myth (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:29:41 AM EST
    The Myth of the Global Cooling Consensus

    The Junk Science Of Fox News' Favorite "Global Cooling" Myth

    ... and ignore the dozens of scientific studies showing the melting of the ice caps because the IPCC erroneously included anecdotal evidence in it's report (which it already corrected) - from the King of anecdotal evidence and denier of scientific/expert evidence.



    Your link is 4 years old (none / 0) (#24)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Oct 09, 2014 at 10:33:31 PM EST
    And glacial melting is being documented all over the globe now:

    Increased snowfall will not prevent the continued melting of glaciers in the northern Antarctic Peninsula, according to new research published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
    An international team of researchers, led by Dr Bethan Davies, from Royal Holloway, University of London, has discovered that small glaciers that end on land around the Antarctic Peninsula are highly vulnerable to slight changes in air temperature and may be at risk of disappearing within 200 years.
    Temperatures are currently rising rapidly in the Antarctic Peninsula. Because warmer air holds more moisture, the amount of snowfall has also increased. Some researchers have suggested that this may offset the melting of the glaciers, however this study found that just a small rise in air temperature increased melting so much that even large amounts of extra snowfall could not prevent glacier recession.
    "These small glaciers around the edge of the Antarctic Peninsula are likely to contribute most to rising sea levels over the coming decades, because they can respond quickly to climate change," said Dr Davies, from the Department of Geography at Royal Holloway. "This study is the first to show how glaciers in this vulnerable region are likely to respond to climate change in future. Our findings demonstrate that the melting will increase greatly even with a slight rise in temperature, offsetting any benefits from increased snowfall."

    Antarctic sea level rising faster than global rate.

    Got anything from 2011 or 1987 to refute me with?


    LOL (2.00 / 1) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:26:39 AM EST
    You panic and believe anything about the MMGW hoax and are willing to believe that Ebola is no threat.

    Hmmmmm... what is the common thread...

    Wait, I know! The Obama administration is pushing both......

    And I love this.

    Because warmer air holds more moisture, the amount of snowfall has also increased.

    Based on that I expect snowstorms in New Orleans....I mean its getting warmer but cooler at the same time.

    I gave you information that the panic and fear is based on anecdotal claims:

    In its most recent report, it stated that observed reductions in mountain ice in the Andes, Alps and Africa was being caused by global warming, citing two papers as the source of the information.

    However, it can be revealed that one of the sources quoted was a feature article published in a popular magazine for climbers which was based on anecdotal evidence from mountaineers about the changes they were witnessing on the mountainsides around them.

    The other was a dissertation written by a geography student, studying for the equivalent of a master's degree, at the University of Berne in Switzerland that quoted interviews with mountain guides in the Alps

    Reminds me of this:

    This may come as a shocker to some, but scientists are not always right -- especially when under intense public pressure for answers.

    Researchers with the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG) recently admitted to experienced zoologist and polar bear specialist Susan Crockford that the estimate given for the total number of polar bars in the Arctic was "simply a qualified guess given to satisfy public demand."

    Crockford has been critical of official polar bear population estimates because they fail to include five large subpopulations of polar bears. Due to the uncertainty of the populations in these areas, PBSG did not include them in their official estimate -- but the polar bear group did include other subpopulation estimates.

    PBSG has for years said that global polar bear populations were between 20,000 and 25,000, but these estimates are likely much lower than how many polar bears are actually living in the world.

    "Based on previous PBSG estimates and other research reports, it appears there are probably at least another 6,000 or so bears living in these regions and perhaps as many as 9,000 (or more) that are not included in any PBSG `global population estimate,'" Crockford wrote on her blog.

    "These are guesses, to be sure, but they at least give a potential size," Crock

    ford added.


    But take heart. Don't buy that new air conditioner...The UN has been playing Chicken Little:

    A preliminary draft of a report by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was leaked to the public this month, and climate skeptics say it contains fresh evidence of 20 years of overstated global warming.

    The report -- which is not scheduled for publication until 2014 -- was leaked by someone involved in the IPCC's review process, and is available for download online. Bloggers combing through the report discovered a chart comparing the four temperature models the group has published since 1990. Each has overstated the rise in temperature that Earth actually experienced.

    "Temperatures have not risen nearly as much as almost all of the climate models predicted," Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, told FoxNews.com.

    "Their predictions have largely failed, four times in a row... what that means is that it's time for them to re-evaluate," Spencer said.



    An old article from last year (none / 0) (#55)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:46:50 AM EST
    And Fox noise.  why am I not surprised?

    As for my agenda supporting the Obama Administration, that's the same accusation you make here against anyone to the Left of Ronald Reagan who comments here, as well as rambling on and disregarding our hosts' bandwidth expenses in order to repeat the SOS from the usual aRW sources here.

    As for being chicken-hearted, better to be chicken-hearted than a brainless fool shilling for others instead of thinking for oneself.

    No charge for the education, as always.


    Oh, I almost forgot (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:47:45 AM EST
    As winter takes root, this proto-sea ice grows thicker and stronger until it encircles Antarctica in a vast frozen ring. The ice spans nearly 7 million square miles at its peak, an area roughly twice the size of the United States.

    This year, Antarctic sea ice has expanded its frigid reach with unprecedented speed, setting records in June and July. By the time spring punctures the long Antarctic night, 2014 stands a decent chance of topping 2012 and 2013, which each broke records of maximum total ice

    Of course they have an excuse for this:

    "Climate is a complicated thing," said Ted Maksym, an oceanographer at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts. "Understanding how these kinds of changes play out in different regions is trick
    y business."

    8 29 2014


    You might want to dig a little deeper next time (none / 0) (#63)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:02:28 AM EST
    about the Antarctic sea ice:

    The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that as of Sept. 19, for the first time since 1979, Antarctic sea ice extent exceeded 7.72 million square miles. The average maximum extent between 1981 and 2010 was recorded at 7.23 million square miles.

    Despite this trend, sea ice as a whole is decreasing on a global scale. Researchers say that just like global warming trends have different outcomes in various parts of the world, not every location with sea ice will experience ice loss.

    "When we think about global warming we would expect intuitively that ice should also be declining in the Antarctic region as in the Arctic," NASA's senior research scientist Josefino Comiso explained. "But station and satellite data currently show that the trends in surface temperature are most positive in the Arctic while in the Antarctic region the trends are a mixture of positive and negative trends," he said, adding that cooling and declining sea surface temperatures could also contribute a "more rapid advance at the ice edge."


    Though some global warming cynics might see the ice trend as an opportunity to dispute the larger climate trend, the statistics on the Arctic warming indicate otherwise. NASA says that on an annual average basis, Arctic sea ice has decreased at a rate of 4.3 percent each decade since 1979, whereas in the Antarctic, sea ice has increased at a rate of 1.7 percent every 10 years.

    When you understand that science works with data, not arm-waving, then you'll have achieved some level of understanding.


    And the title of the LAT article (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:25:19 AM EST
    that Jim excerpted from?:

    Does Antarctic sea ice growth negate climate change? Scientists say no.

    Just keeping things on the up-and-up.  Nothing personal here.


    Yadda yadda yadda (1.00 / 1) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:56:27 AM EST
    Despite this trend, sea ice as a whole is decreasing on a global scale. Researchers say

    No proof. Just "say."


    So let me get this straight. A cooling trend is just a trend. But let a researcher say trend and it is The End Of Civilization Unless We Give The UN Absolute Control Of Us And Send Lots of Money To Them.

    BTW - One of your (giggle giggle)sources went on about wind... Okay fine:

    Heresy! Study Shows `Natural Wind Changes' a Contributor to Global Warming

    Wha-a-a-a ...? "Natural wind changes" could be responsible for some of the global warming we've seen over the years?

    Yes, say researchers from the University of Washington. The lead author of the study (published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences) notes,

    ""What we found was the somewhat surprising degree to which the winds can explain all the wiggles in the temperature curve," study lead author Jim Johnstone, a climatologist at the Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington when he led the study, told the AP. "So clearly, there are other factors stronger than the greenhouse forcing that is affecting those temperatures."


    Ya gotta watch those U W dudes.... First they found water and now wind...

    Following rapid warming in the late 20th century, this century has so far seen surprisingly little increase in the average temperature at the Earth's surface. At first this was a blip, then a trend, then a puzzle for the climate science community.

    More than a dozen theories have now been proposed for the so-called global warming hiatus, ranging from air pollution to volcanoes to sunspots. New research from the University of Washington shows that the heat absent from the surface is plunging deep in the north and south Atlantic Ocean, and is part of a naturally occurring cycle. The study is published Aug. 22 in Science.


    Face it. MMGW doesn't exist. And none of the theories meet the requirements of a scientific theory.

    A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

    What you have is called faith. All true believers have it. Ask the radical Muslims.


    You're the king of Yada Yada. (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Angel on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:12:06 PM EST
    And Blah Blah Blah.

    Hey Angel a very informed (2.00 / 1) (#134)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:41:13 PM EST
    comment. I learned so much from it.



    At least I type the truth. (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Angel on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:55:02 PM EST
    Researches say, and NASA had the specific figures (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:18:21 PM EST
    if you were paying attention:

    NASA says that on an annual average basis, Arctic sea ice has decreased at a rate of 4.3 percent each decade since 1979, whereas in the Antarctic, sea ice has increased at a rate of 1.7 percent every 10 years.

    What's the latest data on the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice? Glad you asked:

    Through 2014, the linear rate of decline for September Arctic ice extent over the satellite record is 13.3% per decade, relative to the 1981 to 2010 average. The ten lowest September ice extents over the satellite record have all occurred in the last ten years.

    I be glad to discuss the issue without your little word games and attempts at a Gish Gallop when the debate doesn't go your way, but please, tell us why "researchers say" means that they're just basically lying or don't know what they're talking about.


    Chuckle chuckle (1.00 / 1) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:39:31 PM EST
    What you won't discuss is the fact that the MMGW theory is just that. A theory.

    It fails to meet the requirement of what it takes to be taken seriously by "scientists" who are interested in science and not in funding their pet projects.

    But one told the truth... that it is okay to lie...

    "To capture the public imagination,
    we have to offer up some scary scenarios,
    make simplified dramatic statements
    and little mention of any doubts one might have.
    Each of us has to decide the right balance
    between being effective,
    and being honest."

    - Leading greenhouse advocate, Dr Stephen Schneider
    ( in interview for "Discover" magagzine, Oct 1989)


    Now, you wanna talk about Artic loss??

    Because ice extent falls through the first part of September and rises in the latter part, statistics on the average daily rate of ice loss or gain through the month are largely meaningless. More relevant is the total ice loss through the melt season. Between the seasonal maximum extent that occurred on March 21, 2014 and the September 17 minimum, the Arctic Ocean lost a total of 9.89 million square kilometers (3.82 million square miles) of ice, which is the 9th largest in the satellite record, but the least amount of seasonal loss since 2006. This year's loss was 1.92 million square kilometers 741,000 square miles) less than the total loss that occurred in 2012.


    Do yourself a favor. Quit believing everything your told by people who have an agenda and start studying Popper.

    The concern with falsifiability gained attention by way of philosopher of science Karl Popper's scientific epistemology "falsificationism". Popper stresses the problem of demarcation--distinguishing the scientific from the unscientific--and makes falsifiability the demarcation criterion, such that what is unfalsifiable is classified as unscientific, and the practice of declaring an unfalsifiable theory to be scientifically true is pseudoscience. This is often epitomized in Wolfgang Pauli famously saying, of an argument that fails to be scientific because it cannot be falsified by experiment, "it is not only not right, it is not even wrong!"


    "You must remember this
    A trend is just a trend, a lie is just a lie
    The fundamental things apply
    As time goes by"

    And apologies to those who created one of my fav songs and movies....


    Buy yourself up some more bandwidth (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:51:15 PM EST
    recently, Uncle Troll?

    I think you pretty much give your game and true state of mind away whenever you start waxing Bircher-paranoid about the U.N, the EPA, the findings and research of literally thousands legitimate scientists across the globe.

    They all hate our freedoms. Like Al-Queda. Yessir, that's it. Pretty soon they're gonna take over and it'll be the beginning of the reign of the anti-Christ.


    Yes, Obama is free to use the EPA (none / 0) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:15:17 PM EST
    to shut down the coal industry....and double our electric rates...

    And anyone who opposes him is a racist!!!!!!!!


    As I was saying (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:22:52 PM EST
    Yet ANOTHER... (none / 0) (#183)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    ... imaginary "war".

    The myth of Obama's imaginary "war on coal".

    Heh, heh, heh ...


    He swallows the patent medicine (none / 0) (#185)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:39:29 PM EST
    of Fox Noise completely, contents, bottle, wrapper and cork as well.

    OTOH (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:22:02 PM EST
    He preform a service by allowing the rest of us to so easily look erudite and informed by comparison.  

    Global Warming doesn't preclude variations (none / 0) (#169)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 05:17:33 PM EST
    In the amount of Arctic sea ice cover from year to year, so if your are under the illusion that found a 'gotcha' with the current ice cover this year, along with decades-old quote and the lyrics to a song, then you are sadly mistaken, as usual.

    When will you quit being my shadow, Jim?  

    When will you learn that dealing from the bottom of the deck, as when you omitted the title of the LA Times article you lined to?

    Be honest with yourself before demanding it of others.

    That's my advice to you for the rest of the day.  

    No charge, as usual.


    Uh, your shadow?? (none / 0) (#181)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:25:13 PM EST
    Check out the thread and you will see that I was answering your question.

    Come on, focus!!!

    And no, my point was exactly that. We have new data that falls outside the old data.. Guess what. We've had new data on cooling for 16 plus years... yet you don't want to acknowledge that.

    Try and grasp the fact that MMGW has no acceptable scientific truth. We have studies and data all over the place. Until you are willing to accept that you will be vulnerable to what ever tale someone spins.

    Educate you?? Not likely.


    New data? From 2012 this time? (none / 0) (#184)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:35:28 PM EST
    All your links are old, except for the LAT link that you omitted the title of the article, substituting the date.

    Sorry about that, chief.


    How To Survive Ebola (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:41:26 AM EST
    in an age of right wing panic

    Every time you think the right wing screamers have reached a fever pitch, they find a new way to become more shrill and less connected to the facts and reality. The ongoing Ebola outbreak in West Africa and the possibility that someone might be able to bring the disease into the United States (knowingly or unknowingly) has pushed the right wing into new and ever more dangerous territory. It's fertile ground with the right wing already predisposed to being anti-science, and hits all the right's notes with xenophobia and racism.

    I've posted about right wing hysterics from the likes of Matt Drudge, touting baseless claims that illegal aliens are bringing in diseases (like Enterovirus D68, which was first identified in the US in 1962). Jim Hoft has repeatedly posted along the same lines.

    He's again posting nonsense such as...

    Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit
    Deadly Enterovirus D68 First Identified in Cities With Large Numbers of Relocated Illegal Immigrants http://shar.es/1mpgBG  @gatewaypundit
    9:16 AM - 9 Oct 2014
    26 RETWEETS  6 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Breaking: Second Dallas Ebola Patient ID'd - Sgt. Michael Monning Had Contact With Thomas Duncan http://shar.es/1mWL9e  via @gatewaypundit
    3:48 PM - 8 Oct 2014

    HHS Admits More Ebola Cases in United States http://shar.es/1mruDo  via @gatewaypundit
    3:28 PM - 9 Oct 2014

    Never mind that the second tweet is so easily debunked; there hasn't been any second case of confirmed Ebola in the US. Duncan was the only case so far -- and anyone else who has been tracked or isolated was out of an abundance of caution. But that didn't stop Hoft from hysterically alleging a second case with a deputy officer, that was not a case at all.

    So, here's a few more tidbits of information, applying to both the ongoing Enterovirus D68 outbreak and the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

    Right wing panic (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:42:01 PM EST
    I love it. They don't even know what they're paniced about..Some phobia about Darkest Africa and secretly foreign-born presidents who want Americans to get sick.

    Like the Right has Ever given any strong indication that they're concerned about public health..(and other dang socialistic ideas.)

    When God's through punishing us, he'll make us all healthy forever..

    These are the people who traditionally consider  environmental issues a marginal public health concern; oppose the expansion of health care coverage - the expansion of which would aid in tracking and containing the spread of things like ebola - and of course, everybody knows aint no such thing as a man-made greenhouse gas..it's all made up.  


    Of course they're going to (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:48:00 PM EST
    make it about immigration. What took them so long?

    Wait till they start with the "African culture" discussions and how these inferior non-European cultures nurture the spread of disease..


    I think that ship sailed (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:55:04 PM EST
    some time ago

    They effin' live on that ship (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Oops (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:42:22 AM EST
    Didn't notice the links.  Feel free to delete.

    Don't you mean media panic? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Slado on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:32:52 AM EST
    There is no political persuasion to bad reporting.

    If it bleeds it leads.

    The entire world is freaking out about Ebola.  NPR had a story yesterday about Europeans and Asiams canceling trips to Kenya because of irrational fears.  I'm sure they didn't aquire them watching Fox News.

    No need to make everything partisan.


    Fair (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:43:31 AM EST
    its funny that the media seems surprised that "polls" show increased concern over Ebola.  Since they have been pumping out fear and hysteria 24/7.

    Tax Man v Artist (none / 0) (#47)
    by squeaky on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:09:13 AM EST
    Artist wins but in the end a pyrrhic victory.

    Interesting case, particularly if you are an artist.

    More here

    So true: (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:24:43 PM EST
    I don't have any insider knowledge, of course, but here's what I suspect: Ms. Crile, great artist though she may be, was a tremendously aggressive taxpayer.

    Very interesting. Thanks for introducing a new subject to the comments.


    Glad you added the (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:21:31 AM EST
    pyrrhic part.  Gotten this info from a few places and the seem to miss that part.

    This was funny-

    It has to suck to make your living as an artist.

    I'm going to nominate that as most eloquent tax blogging sentence of the month.

    Yes, not so great after all (none / 0) (#131)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:28:51 PM EST
    "It has to suck to make your living as an artist" - snort, yeah.

    Artists also get hammered by not getting to write of the retail value of any large art donations they make directly from their studio. I can write off the retail, or assessed value of some piece of art I might choose to donate, but for my own all I can write off are the actual costs of the canvas, paint and solvents. The US is not generally friendly towards its artists.


    I heard Dana Goia, former head of (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:28:23 PM EST
    the NEA and a published poet, speak last night on "Beauty."  He said our governments do not encourage beauty, just look at the FBI hdqtrs. And recently built post offices b

    I agree with you and Dan Goia. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:30:20 PM EST
    I have to look daily at our own massive Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalanianaole Federal Building and Courthouse, a cement behemoth which sits just down the block from my own office building. The Prince Kuhio Building stands out like a sore thumb in Honolulu's historic downtown district and waterfront, and gets my vote as one of the ugliest federal buildings anywhere in the country.

    But U.S. government buildings built out here during the 1920s and '30s are much more stylish in their designs, like our Immigration Building near Pier 2 along the waterfront (which is still in use today) or our downtown Post Office, which was the former federal courthouse before the courts moved to the Prince Kuhio Building in 1975. The federal building / post office in Hilo is also from the same period.



    If you look purely at the visual language (none / 0) (#161)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:43:58 PM EST
    of public buildings it stands out that the US is founded on puritan ideologies. When visiting churches, for example, the cathedrals in, say, France are visual statements of fullness. York Cathedral is visually divine order. Roslin chapel is smaller, later, and more organic.

    The early churches in the US are visual divine emptiness. Visually the idea is to remove the human hand and presence so that the divine presence will fill the space.

    Fast forward, secularize, and modernize and degrade that and we get a US government and culture that does not value beauty created by humans.


    Ireland doesn't tax artists (none / 0) (#68)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:29:31 AM EST
    Peter Piper picked peppers, (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:50:15 AM EST
    and I rock rhymes.
    This pig picks pockets,
    and pepper sprays the eyes.

    Though I guess getting jacked for 13 hundo and a lil' pepper spray is getting off cheap these days, when you have the misfortune of encountering "law enforcement".  

    As Gore Vidal put it (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:04:51 AM EST

    We must always remember that the police are recruited from the criminal classes.
    As quoted by Dick Cavett, in "The Swimmers", The New York Times
    (3 June 2007)

    Or as Junior Murvin... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:13:51 AM EST
    and Lee Scratch Perry put it...

    Police & Thieves


    Oh, Alison Grimes (none / 0) (#76)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:47:57 AM EST

    And you want to be a Senator?

    Without looking (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:54:04 AM EST
    assuming this is about her refusing to admit who she voted for.  Funny haven't you also refused to say who you voted for.
    Is you point you give that up to run if office?

    And she will be a senator.  Remember I said that.


    I dind't vote for anybody (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:58:35 AM EST
    But I'm also not running for office.

    She will not win.  Remember I said that.


    She will not win (none / 0) (#85)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:00:40 PM EST
    Not because of this gaffe (which, geez, she had to know was coming).  And if she can't answer a simple question like this, what else can't she handle?

    I'm going to vote that she wins (none / 0) (#125)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:12:04 PM EST
    the TL opinion vote.

    Silly pols... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:59:45 AM EST
    scared of their own shadow...they don't call it silly season for nuthin'!

    Were I her svengali handler, I would suggest saying..."Yes I did, the lesser evil.  You didn't expect me to vote for McCain or Romney did ya?  But in hindsight, I should have given Jill Stein a closer look."


    Which would be why (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:04:20 PM EST
    you are not a handler

    To clarify (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:07:32 PM EST
    we are talking about a state where large numbers of people, a majority, hate Obamacare and love the healthcare they are getting thru KyNect.  Which of course the same thing.  Jb and the wingers would love it if they could push her into an Obama moment.  Sorry try again.

    What's "an Obama moment"?? (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:18:39 PM EST
    Where she says something stupid like his Oregon Plan to clean up the Great Lakes?  Or where she may talk about the "57" states?  Or where she calls a male reporter "sweetie"?

    Seems to me if you are the DEMOCRATIC candidate for Senate, you should at least be able to say, "Yes, I voted for Barack Obama, but since then I have disagreed with him on X, Y, and Z."


    You know what I love (3.50 / 2) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:25:20 PM EST
    you admit you did not vote and you criticize ferguson residents for not voting.

    Um (none / 0) (#108)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:17:18 PM EST
    I went to vote.  I made a conscious choice not to vote for PRESIDENT because either choice was horrible.

    I did not abdicate my civic responsibility to participate in all the other elections - including local elections - that day.

    But I know nuance escapes you.


    Of course (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:51:43 PM EST
    i sure there was no "nuance" involved in any of the thousands of people you broad brush condemned out of hand for doing exactly what you did.  

    Omg (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:27:20 PM EST
    i missed this part. Males can't be referred to as sweety in the south any more?  Every waitress I know is in big trouble.

    I wonder if you even realize how desperate you sound.


    ... which is a state where Barack Obama only received 37% of the popular vote in 2012. Ms. Grimes declines to talk about Obama, for the same reason that Charles Djou -- a GOP House candidate here in heavily Democratic Honolulu -- studiously distances himself from both Mitt Romney and John McCain, two presidential candidates who didn't even break 30% in Hawaii.

    Djou has similarly declined to state whether or not he voted for either man, because he knows that the affiliation is poisonous and could prove the kiss of death for his campaign. He doesn't even put an "R" behind his name on his campaign signs and literature!

    It's so easy for you to analyze and judge the rest of the country from the D.C. Beltway. But like so many of your neighbors there, both Democrat and Republican, your political perspective from your locale is often the equivalent of looking at the rest of us from the inside of a filled fishbowl.

    It's not unlike the Washington Post's gratuitous take on Sen. Daniel Inouye's so-called "dying wish" that Colleen Hanabusa should succeed him in the U.S. Senate. No doubt, it was grand theatre and made for a really great story, and so the Post ran with it and other national news outlets dutifully followed its lead.

    Never mind that the senator's "deathbed letter" was likely a concoction of his longtime chief of staff, Jennifer Sabas, who was about to lose an influential job she had held for a quarter century, a post she probably wished to continue holding under Ms. Hanabusa.

    And never mind, too, that Inouye just as likely was unaware of that letter's existence when he died in Bethesda Medical Center on Dec. 17, 2012 -- a date which, coincidentally, was also the same day the letter was dated, delivered to Gov. Neil Abercrombie at the State Capitol in Honolulu and then simulataneously leaked to both the local media and the Washington Post. Even throughout most of this recently-concluded primary election season, political beat reporters at the Post continued to push that "dying wish" meme -- probably at Ms. Sabas' request, since she was managing the Hanabusa campaign.

    (There are a number of influential people out here who, for obvious reasons, have since rendered any question of the "deathbed" letter's authenticity a toxic issue for local political discussion. Personally, I've long said publicly that I thought the letter was as phony as a three-dollar bill, and even offered that take here at TL two years ago when Inouye died. And quite frankly, the timeline of that letter's release likely supports my contention, certainly much more so than the Washington Post's take.)

    For that reason, as tempting as it may be sometimes, I usually decline to comment personally on the fluid state of other political races outside of Hawaii, save for perhaps an occasional mention of California. The simple fact is that those other places are not my home turf, and I really don't know the lay of the land, so it's probably best to defer to the perspective of people who live there. You might consider doing likewise.



    Oh I know... (none / 0) (#119)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:32:58 PM EST
    you san say it man...a state with a high percentage of morons.  But even a moron knows when they're being fed some serious bullsh*t...it's stupid to play the evasive typical pol card on such a non-issue.  

    If she answered the question my way, would she really lose votes?  The "Obama the Kenyan Socialist Anti-Christ" crowd ain't voting for he anyway.  What did she really have to lose by leveling with the people?

    Perhaps there is no right answer to that question, but I still say the truth is better than the crap she's trying to shovel.  Now she's a laughingstock.


    So says jb (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:46:23 PM EST
    Joe Banjo Boy Scarborough and Chuck Turd.

    I think she wins.  But if she doesn't it won't be because of this.  

    Her opponent has been in the senate for decades and has never once answered a question honestly.

    Plus. Its complete bullsh!t to try to browbeat someone into saying who they voted for.  Period.  My parents did not tell each other who they voted for.  This privacy thing was once respected.  She is a good candidate running against one of the most powerful and well oiled machines in the business.  

    After two polls in his favor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell again has slipped behind Democratic challenger Alison Lundergan Grimes, according to the latest Bluegrass Poll.

    Grimes, Kentucky's secretary of State, now leads the veteran five-term senator 46% to 44% among likely voters, the survey found. While that advantage is within the poll's margin of error, it represents a 6-point swing to the Democrat since the last survey in late August.

    Maybe that's the thing... (none / 0) (#141)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 03:09:48 PM EST
    I don't want good candidates...I want good people.  Good leaders.  Straight shooters.

    Our election process and "gotcha!" and all that mess is why we will never have anything other than "good candidates, sh&t lawmakers and leaders".  And perhaps that is exactly what we deserve.


    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:45:51 PM EST
    That really is nothing and it's actually kind of funny because McConnell has been screaming she's Obama in a dress.

    Look no pol in KY is going to admit they voted for Obama whether they did or not.


    I wish Obama would show up (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:54:16 PM EST
    In a dress to campaign for her.

    See?  This is me in a dress, THIS is Allison Grimes.  


    Unfortunately for her (none / 0) (#110)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:19:48 PM EST
    She has a history of dodging "tough" questions. At some point, the voters want to hear answers.

    No they (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:22:44 PM EST
    don't. Mitch McConnell is not answering any questions either and nobody seems to care whether he does or not. It would be nice if they did care. All Mitch is running on is being senate majority leader and that depends on a lot of other things whether KY reelects him or not.

    And yet (none / 0) (#114)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:24:58 PM EST
    three weeks out, he still has a 59% chance of winning and is ahead by 3-4 in most major polls (Survey USA has been a consistent outlier).

    That has (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:13:48 PM EST
    nothing to do with what I was talking about. I said Mitch isn't answering questions either. You're citing a poll and this wasn't about whether he was going to win or not and you're backing up what I was saying. They don't care whether they get answers to questions or not apparently since Mitch isn't answering them either. He's pretending that he hasn't even been in the senate that long.

    Were you shilling for Romney (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:24:27 PM EST
    here in 2012?

    I want answers.


    No, I wasn't (2.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:25:21 PM EST
    Time to take your meds again.

    A tad defensive about old Mitt.. (3.00 / 3) (#124)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 01:52:31 PM EST
    what's that all about?

    It's a free country. You can support whoever you want to for president.


    Speaking of Ol' Mittens... (5.00 / 5) (#128)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 02:15:41 PM EST
    one of his campaign pledges came true...under 6% unemployment and 11 million new jobs by the end of the term.  

    Mitt's golly gee thank you card to Obama is in the mail! ;)


    Almost 2 inches of rain (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55:19 AM EST
    in the last 24 hours. Expecting up to 4 more by Monday.

    We need it.

    Clapton is God. But who's the other guy? (none / 0) (#156)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:09:31 PM EST

    Blasphemy! (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:44:26 PM EST
    Not against god, against George Harrison... If Clapton is god, I guess I would call George the Holy Spirit.

    re: using proper english (none / 0) (#160)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:35:38 PM EST
    I truly admire and value the proper use of a written language. I just can't do it. When it is important that I get it right, I get either my sister or daughter, both excellent writers and editors, to correct my writing.

    I can't read music either and I have really tried with that. I always have to end up memorizing it to either sing with a choir, or to play something on piano.

    I can read visual language.

    As Mr. Goia pointed out, (none / 0) (#162)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:44:59 PM EST
    beauty to a Hindu may be ugly to us, and vice versa. Each individual has unique talents

    Yes, but I also understand having standards (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by ZtoA on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:39:56 PM EST
    and being vocal about them. I just saw a friend's new work today. She is a master gouache painter. But by now (she is 71) she adds just a bit of some synthetic - like liquid playtex ?(can't remember) which modifies the gouache just a bit. She has pushed her mastery into doing a 'purist no-no' and her results are amazing. Best work of hers I've seen yet. She evolves her quiet subtle images from her love of California and Mexico. Her work is deeply moving (for me at least, and actually, many others too) and very meaningful. Maybe I'll put a link up when she goes public with them. Here's some "old work" of hers. Images on a computer screen just really not do them justice tho.

    This is another good friend. She knows her way around the comas and colons and periods in visual art. She knows when to break the rules for dialog in her paintings. She likes wit and juxtaposition. Her work actively avoids meanings.


    Whos we (none / 0) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    Garuda is watching you

    Scuse me (none / 0) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 04:50:27 PM EST
    whos "us"

    "Some" people in the U.S. (none / 0) (#168)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 05:15:50 PM EST
    I really enjoy Hindu art  and music, and, whenever I see Garuda, I think of you!

    That's (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 05:27:40 PM EST
    the nicest thing you ever said to me!

    Have you ever been to India? (none / 0) (#172)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:29:45 PM EST
    That's on my list of places I want to go. I have this nagging desire to visit the Taj Mahal.

    Yes. Tremendously interesting. (none / 0) (#180)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 08:45:14 PM EST
    And not just the Taj.

    Oooops (none / 0) (#176)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 06:51:25 PM EST
    'We made a big mistake':

    Teenage Austrian poster girls for ISIS who moved to Syria to live with jihadis are now pregnant and want to come home... but officials say that will be 'impossible'

    Not a pretty picture (none / 0) (#187)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 09:59:16 PM EST
    for Florida State University.
    Lead story online at the NY Times

    Ugh. Not good.Disgusting, actually. (none / 0) (#194)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 11:05:56 PM EST
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:37:40 PM EST
    Snacks for the tourists of death (none / 0) (#191)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 10:42:19 PM EST
    calling capt Howdy... (none / 0) (#201)
    by ZtoA on Sat Oct 11, 2014 at 01:14:15 AM EST
    pls watch Grimm. After your comment today about your young friend's drug/robbery experience, you need to watch, you wessen you.