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  • On the Three high school girls (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:55:41 AM EST
    from Colorado who ran off to join ISIS, you know, I'm sorry but if you are an american teenager with enough money to buy a ticket to Istanbul and you are dumb enough to do this,
    GO FOR IT.  
    And have fun.

    Dead teenagers [can] tell no stories (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Palli on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:44:45 AM EST
    Michael Brown could have been pushing the gun away.
    But why does it even matter?  
    Wilson decided to shoot Michael to death. And he did.

    From the WAPO (none / 0) (#89)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:17:57 PM EST
    Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson's account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Washington Post's sources said.

    Pretty sad when folks are afraid to testify for fear of racist mob violence.  Thanks to Al Sharpton and those who sought to beatify a violent thug.

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    So... refresh my memory (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by sj on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:32:26 PM EST
    when exactly are anonymous sources good?

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    When they (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:39:44 PM EST
    back your agenda, of course.   ;-)

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    When Ben Crump (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:58:48 PM EST
    And Uncle Chip say so.

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    Weird (none / 0) (#137)
    by sj on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:04:20 PM EST
    AAA would clearly be on the opposite side of Chip's diatribes. So your comment is inappropriate in that regard.

    Similarly, you appear to be assuming that I would lurrrve anonymous sources if they supported Uncle Chip.

    If that's what you meant, you don't know squat. If that's not what you meant I would appreciate it if you would hang that comment somewhere else.

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    Wonder if these anonymous sources (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 06:34:42 AM EST
    are the same police officers who allegedly provided the media with the "shocking" information that Brown's juvenile arrest record contained a second-degree murder charge.

    Of course, this shocking leaked information later proved to be noting but lies.

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    The Public Talkers Lawyered Up First (none / 0) (#117)
    by RickyJim on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    I view with high suspicion all of those "witnesses" who were accompanied by a lawyer when talking to the media.  Who paid for the lawyers and why?  Just recently Jeralyn said that if you are just reporting a crime, you don't need to lawyer up unless you feel that there is a possibility you might be a suspect so there is even less reason to have one while talking to the media.

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    Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses (none / 0) (#122)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:44:57 PM EST
    From the WAPO: Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson's account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety

    I say a big BS to that.

     

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    Capt... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:03:16 AM EST
    From last thread about Dish Network.

    DirecTV, which a year or two ago, was locked in battle with several stations that I consider my staples.  So much so that I watched them on my desktop that I connected to my TV, which totally sucked.

    I called to voice my opinion and let them know that I would break my contract if they did.  Apparently that is not how the TV business works, I was told I am locked in regardless.  Not sure what I would have done, but I sure as hell wouldn't have paid for a service that didn't provide the product I signed up for.

    It's not right they think they can lock me in and then deliver a different set of goods.  Thankfully they got it straightened out and actually gave me some money off my next bill for the non-sense.

    I would suggest calling them, maybe, like in my case, those irate calls help sway whatever deal they made.  Maybe not, but I felt a whole lot better letting them know and ended up with a little cha-ching in my pocket for my troubles.

    FYI, I believe it's the same Turner channels you are having issues with, but for me it was TNT and TBS.

    Yep (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:11:36 AM EST
    this is not the first time.  Dish recently had a dust up that left them without AMC or FX. Both very popular channels.   The channels fought back by adding the "not available on DISH" tagline to all adds for things like The Walkinf Dead.  It didn't last long.  I suspect this won't either.  
    I would bet panties are twisted across the nation as people jones for CNN.  I am glad CNN is included because it will cause more of a stink that probably any of the others.
    Yep this happens from time to time and there isn't much you can do but call and vent.  I haven't even bothered to do that so far.
    I am POed about missing all the old B&W horror movies but actually I have most of them on DVD.

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    I'm with Direct (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:29:03 AM EST
    And our bill magically increases with all sorts of charges now.  Reminds me of old Mtn. Bell billing and wiring fees.  I would like to disconnect.  I'm ready to order al a carte, since embracing the DVR that's how I watch TV now anyhow.  If you could watch a few episodes on trial that would work perfectly for us.

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    So much for a kinder, gentler... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:40:22 AM EST
    NYPD under De Blasio/Bratton...same sh*t different regime.

    When Direct TV knocked out (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by fishcamp on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:50:21 AM EST
    some channels, at the same time they did with Scott, I too called but they said they were in negotiation and soon the missing channels would return, they did.  Dish TV had a different type of horror show down here in the keys when I first moved into my current house.  They sent a man down from Miami and together we looked at the wiring.  When my phone rang I asked the man not to go upstairs until I went with him.  As I turned my back to hang up, he had already gone upstairs.  I said something to him about that, and he said he had other stops while down here.  We finished, he left, and I mentioned all that to a friend.  The friend said Dish TV, from Miami, was notorious for "casing locations," and later robbing them.  I went with Direct TV.

    Wow (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:55:50 AM EST
    I'm betting the casing is a local thing.  

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    More Ferguson info "leaked" today. (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:53:51 AM EST
    Wilson's story:
    During the struggle, Brown handed the cigarillos to Johnson, then swung his left hand and hit Wilson on the right side of the face. Wilson said he almost lost consciousness, the source said. Brown then began to use his left hand in the struggle for the gun, and turned the pistol until the barrel was against Wilson's hip.

    [...]

    The second time Wilson pulled the trigger, the gun did fire. Wilson told investigators he thought the bullet had struck Brown in the hand, the source said. Broken window glass was everywhere, and blood was on the door, the gun and Wilson's hands. At the time, Wilson said, he wasn't sure whose blood it was.

    Wilson said he had yelled for Brown to stop, then fired, the source said. Brown flinched as if he was hit, and Wilson said he had stopped shooting. Brown continued running toward him, and Wilson said he had fired several more shots. The source said that Wilson had recalled that Brown's head was down when the last shot hit him there.

    County autopsy reviewed by independent forensic pathologist who is not involved in the case:

    Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound." She added, "If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he's going for the officer's gun."

    [note: Odd sentence structure, but forensic microscopic analysis found gun powder residue in the wound on Brown's hand]

    Sources told the Post-Dispatch that Brown's blood had been found on Wilson's gun.



    What is missing here to my eyes anyway (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:24:00 AM EST
    is the distance and time gap in the space indicated by the ellipsis, and then in the space between the second shot and this
    "Wilson said he had yelled for Brown to stop, then fired, the source said. Brown flinched as if he was hit, and Wilson said he had stopped shooting. Brown continued running toward him, "

    If Brown is running toward Wilson, Brown must not be right at the car anymore, right?

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    The description of the incident at the link I provided is quite long, hence the ellipses. The full description is at the link I provided.

    In a (hopefully accurate) nutshell, according to Wilson, they struggled at the car, then Brown ran away with Wilson getting out of the car and following him. After a bit, Brown turned around and, as you said, "is running toward Wilson."

    So, yes, right, Brown was not right at the car anymore.


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    OK, thanks for the summary! (none / 0) (#58)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:21:34 PM EST
    Did not have time to read the whole thing.  Seemed odd to say the least that the authorities would have let Wilson leave a gap like that in the narrative.

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    Not necessarily (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:00:12 PM EST
    "If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he's going for the officer's gun."

      That opinion is not within the expertise of a forensic pathologist. A forensic pathologist could testify reliably with opinions  as to relative position of the hand and gun and the distance between them, but nothing in the "scientific" or "technical" knowledge of such an expert gives them the ability to have a reliable opinion as to what the person with hand was doing at the time he was shot.

     At most the opinion that those facts are consistent with the argument he was going for the gun should be allowed.

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    Completely agree. (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:12:22 PM EST
    Objection your honor, speculation.

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    Suprisingly (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:42:47 PM EST
    tight races here in Georgia for down ticket for school superintendent. Of course, the governor and the senate are still close with Michelle Nunn pulling ahead of Perdue and Deal and Carter switching leads. link

    Judging by the phone calls and the political flyers I get in the mail the GOP is really, really running scared down here.

    Don't know if it would make a difference, but (none / 0) (#68)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:20:35 PM EST
    here, in Tennessee, the Democratic politicians, in fact all the politicians are really, truly lousy campaigners.

    But, especially the Democrats, with so many issues they could run on, have personalities so boring a cadaver would be ashamed.

    The Republicans, not wanting to disrespect their voters with things like facts, or issues, have it easier. If it's a Primary campaign, they only have to rehearse, and remember, one line: "I'm more Conservative than he/she is." If it's a general election, the one line is: "I'm the most Conservative candidate in the state.

    No wonder the R's win most of the time. The voters here want it simple, and "simple" is what they get.

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:53:52 PM EST
    they pretty much are insulting here too. The GOP just blathers something about them being the "Most conservative" or the "true Ronald Reagan conservative" with pretty much nothing on issues.

    Nunn is really not that great of a campaigner. I think she's doing as well as she is simply because  Perdue is a one trick pony only talking about Obama and pandering to the far right.

    Carter actually is a decent campaigner. Whether it's enough to pull him through I don't know. Deal has been sending out these hysterical screeching flyers about how Obama wants to control Georgia through Carter. Now that will probably work with the tea party maybe but I don't know if it will be enough to get him reelected.

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    Expensive billboards went up here (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:15:20 PM EST
    They say Vote Republican for a strong military.  Huh?  A Democrat is in charge right now and he has them all working full time while the Republicans had DOD civilians unemployed during sequestration.

    The second billboard says Vote Republican for small government.  Never did understand how a military gets all big and tough while its government gets small.  

    But that's it for "the issues".

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    Kind of exciting! (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:09:46 PM EST
    Makes me hopeful

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    Blackwater verdict: Guilty. (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:42:27 PM EST
    In a trial that was marked by repeated delays over procedural and jurisdictional issues, a federal jury in Washington, D.C. has found four former Blackwater security guards guilty of the wanton killing of 17 Iraqis on Sept. 16, 2007 in Baghdad's Nisour Square.

    Nicholas Slatten was convicted of first degree murder, while Dustin Heard, Evan Liberty, and Paul Slough were each found guilty of manslaughter and various firearms charges. The jury presented those initial verdicts before returning to deliberate other charges, in what was a 33-count indictment against the four men.

    The bloody affair outraged Iraqis across the country's ethnic and religious spectrums, which in turn prompted the Iraqi government at the time to demand that the U.S. government end its contract with Blackwater -- which it only did in January 2009, once Barack Obama was sworn in president.

    Nevertheless, relations between post-Saddam Iraq and the United States were severely compromised by that senseless slaughter of civilians, coming as it did on the heels of the 2004 Abu Ghraib torture scandal and the Nov. 2005 massacre of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in Haditha.

    Personally, I believe that the Nisour Square incident and the repeated legal delays in the prosecution of the accused were likely the determining factors in the our government's subsequent failure to obtain a status-of-forces agreement with Iraq, which of course led to our complete military withdrawal from that country in 2011. Given that most Iraqis were extremely skeptical that justice would ever be achieved in this case, then-Prime Minister al Maliki's regime was never going to agree to blanket immunity for U.S. military and contracted personnel, after what happened.  

    Blackwater's reputation was also rightly and perhaps irreparably damaged by the crime. After its contract with the U.S. government was abruptly terminated by the incoming Obama administration, the company was sold and subsequently changed its name to Xe. It has since been re-sold, and has further changed its name again, this time to Academi LLC.

    Aloha.

    Ferguson info "leaks" continue. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:22:57 PM EST
    Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson's account, but none of them have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety, The Washington Post's sources said.


    And this is the crux (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:56:26 PM EST
    Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family, said Brown's family and supporters will not be persuaded by the autopsy report or eyewitness statements that back Wilson's account of the incident.

    Who cares what the evidence says if it doesn't agree with my assumptions?

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    Those darned, cropped quotes (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:44:33 PM EST
    Crump was not saying they "didn't care what the evidence says", he was saying that other evidence is contradicts that evidence.

    Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family, said Brown's family and supporters will not be persuaded by the autopsy report or eyewitness statements that back Wilson's account of the incident.

    "The family has not believed anything the police or this medical examiner has said," Crump said. "They have their witnesses. We have seven witnesses that we know about that say the opposite."



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    Right (1.00 / 1) (#171)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 07:16:31 AM EST
    Witnesses for Darren Wilson are not to be believed, while witnesses not supporting Darren Wilson are to be believed.

    What he said.

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    And more craziness from Benjamin Crump (2.00 / 1) (#108)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:02:44 PM EST
    "The family wanted a jury trial that was transparent, not one done in secrecy, not something that they believe is an attempt to sweep their son's death under the rug," he said.

    He might want to rethink that

    Members of the public often find the workings of a grand jury mysterious. In most states, the grand jury sits for a month or more, hearing snippets of many cases each day. The cases are presented more as snapshots than feature-length presentations. The prosecutor generally streamlines the case to obtain an indictment, if that's what he or she wants, without revealing too much evidence, which would go in the transcript of the proceeding. This transcript will be turned over to defense attorneys and the prosecution has no desire to help the defense.

    Grand jurors have the right to ask for additional evidence and even to ask their own questions, but most rely on the prosecutor to present the evidence. It is for this reason that a former judge once said "a prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich."

    This is quite true, because the prosecutor often becomes a trusted friend to the members of the grand jury. A lot of cordial off-the-record remarks unrelated to the case are exchanged, as is normal in any place where people work together daily. I, as a prosecutor, can remember the click of knitting needles as a grandmotherly grand juror worked on a sweater while awaiting the presentation of the next murder case. "Is this a good one, Mr. Callan?" she would ask. My reply would be, "You'll have to wait for the evidence."

    Make no mistake though, grand jurors often rebel and proceed on their own independent course. This happens particularly in high-profile cases like this one. In such cases, a wise prosecutor will present as much evidence as possible, revealing both sides of the case. Knowing that the grand jury transcript may someday be released and scrutinized, he will seek to create a record that demonstrates fairness and objectivity in the presentation of the case. Let us hope that this has been done in St Louis



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    Crump Is Right to Slam Grand Juries (none / 0) (#127)
    by RickyJim on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:22:44 PM EST
    At least a generous evaluation of his comments would lead one to assume he finds the institution pretty bizarre and extremely unfair to the defendant.  So does the rest of the world.  Great Britain, where they originated, got rid of them in 1933.  This case, in particular would have benefited from the evidence being presented, as early as possible in a courtroom.  I find Callen's argument ridiculous.
    The prosecutor here believed that a decision of this importance should be left to the collective judgment of the citizens of the St. Louis County grand jury, rather than a randomly selected judge whose motives could easily be attacked and questioned.

    It is easier to protect one judge than a whole Grand Jury from mob retribution, and the common perception is that GJs do the prosecutor's bidding.  And with the key evidence out in the public hearing, the masses maybe calmed.  

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    The rationale to present a case which is so (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:44:28 PM EST
    regarding which the community is so emotional to a grand jury makes sense. The count prosecutor could have exercised his discretion by declining to file a criminal complaint. Or he could have filed a complaint which, at least in CA state court, is followed by presentation of evidence to a single judge, who then determines whether the evidence is sufficient for a bindover. Is there sufficient evidence a crime was committed and that defendant committed it?  Not a difficult burden of proof for the prosecution.


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    I Don't Understand Your Point (none / 0) (#133)
    by RickyJim on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:57:02 PM EST
    The evidential criterion for going forward with the case is the same for both GJs and preliminary hearings.  The difference, as far as the public is concerned, with the GJ we learn the evidence through selective leaks rather than in open court.

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    Usually the prosecution presents just enough (none / 0) (#138)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    evidence at the prelim to get the bindover and defendant presents no evidence. Yes, it is the same burden of proof as for a GJ true bill. I am thinking "conscience of the community."  

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    Well (none / 0) (#128)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:32:23 PM EST
    Maybe people should respect the decisions of grand juries AND judges and not engage in "mob retribution". That says something about the community and not the system.

    You also ignore the fact that there's a better chance in this case that MORE evidence will be presented to a grand jury than would be in a preliminary investigation.

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    How much is presented is up to the prosecutor (none / 0) (#130)
    by RickyJim on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:51:18 PM EST
    I dispute your "better chance" argument.  If the prosecutor wants to be transparent and open about the evidence he can present it to the judge in open court.  I also find this part of Callen's piece quite damning to the whole notion of Grand Juries, elected prosecutors and the fact that the police investigation is not under the direction of a neutral judge who is to prepare a dossier of evidence that will be used by both sides.
    The prosecutor generally streamlines the case to obtain an indictment, if that's what he or she wants, without revealing too much evidence, which would go in the transcript of the proceeding. This transcript will be turned over to defense attorneys and the prosecution has no desire to help the defense.


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    The prosecutor can also structure the case (5.00 / 4) (#139)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:24:05 PM EST
    to condemn the victim and exonerate the person(s) being "investigated" by the GJ.

    In the only other case where police officers faced a GJ for killing 2 people, McCulloch did not present evidence that would have disputed the officers' statements and lied about what witnesses said.

    Fourteen years ago, the two officers who shot Murray and Beasley were also invited to testify before the grand jury. Both men told jurors that Murray's car was coming at them and that they feared being run over. McCulloch said that "every witness who was out there testified that it made some forward motion." But a later federal investigation showed that the car had never come at the two officers: Murray never took his car out of reverse.  

    Did every witness who was there testify that the car came forward? No they did not.

    Out of 13 witnesses, only 3 testified that the car moved forward. The two who unloaded their guns and a third whose testimony was, as McCulloch admitted later, "obviously...completely wrong.

    Did the prosecutor's office put the victims of the shooting on trial as part of the GJ. Why yes, they did.

    On the last day of testimony, an investigator in McCulloch's office read out a list of every interaction Murray and Beasley had had with law enforcement, even arrests that never resulted in charges.

    Source

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    The NFL (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:36:43 AM EST
    This is going to be good, the NFL and Goodell fought to not have Goodell testify.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has been compelled to testify in Ray Rice's appeal of his indefinite suspension, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

    ...

    NFL lawyers have argued that Goodell shouldn't have to testify, and instead were offering testimony from Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel, and Adolpho Birch, the NFL's vice president for labor policy. Pash and Birch were with Goodell when he met with Rice's side in June to talk about what happened when the former Pro Bowl running back hit his then-fiancee in an elevator.

    ...

    Jones was jointly picked by the commissioner and the players' union to hear the appeal. The union said at the time that Goodell's testimony as a witness would be crucial in the proceedings.

    LINK

    And the World Series viewership is down 15% from last year.

    This is really cool (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:33:09 AM EST
    This story in the Irish Times is about a startup incubator here in Washington that my friend, Donna Harris, co-founded.  She laughed when she posted this because she hasn't even been to Ireland yet.

    They are doing some amazing stuff here.

    Bananna Nut Bread (4.67 / 3) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:47:34 AM EST
    i am doing this today.  I wanted to share this because as I mentioned recently I lost a considerable chunk of pounds recently. Bit over 30 and I have kept it off.   I could not have lost it or kept it off without this stuff.  
    I have a serious sweet tooth.  SERIOUS.  I know from long experience that if I don't satisfy it with good things I WILL satisfy it with bad things.  So at the start I made two decisions, stop buying junk and always have healthy options around.  I got this recipe from my sister and worked it.
    I will list the original version and then what I turned it into after much experimentation.

    3 bananas
    4 oz Apple sauce (that is the size of one of those individual serving things sold in 6 or 8 pacs in the store)
    2 eggs
    2 Cups flour
    1 Cup sugar
    1 t-spoon each vanilla, baking soda and baking powder
    1/2 cup nuts
    1/2 cup of raisins

    Stir it up put it in a loaf pan.  350 for 50-60 minutes.

    Ok
    I liked this but I wanted more "goodies" so I started trying adding more nuts and other things.  I tried cranberries, chopped dried apricots, dates, and semi chocolate chips.  I also thought it was a bit dry.  I also realized that with a lot more goodies, two or three times what is called for, I could drop most or even all the sugar and end up with a tasty treat with no fat and little or no sugar.
    This is my current version-

    4 bananas
    2 eggs
    Two or three 4 oz containers of Appel sauce
    1/4 cup of sugar (or to taste)
    1 1/2 t-spoon vanilla, baking powder, baking soda
    1 cup flour  (may need to be adjusted depending on Apple sauce-I like it moist)
    1 oz poppy seeds. (That's a small container.  They sell them in my market for a dollar.) added to the mix and close to another oz sprinkled on top once it's in the pans and used to coat the inside of the sprayed pans before you pour it it.  (I like poppy seeds.)
    1 cup nuts.  I mostly use sliced or slivered almonds.  But anything works.
    2 cups (small semi sweet chocolate chips)

    That fills two 8 inch loaf pans.

    I think I may add cranberries today.
    Happy wed!

    Don't normally do recipes (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:11:00 PM EST
    I found these a good snack while on a diet. Not sure if they will be sweet enough for you but I found that they satisfied my craving for something sweet and crunchy.

    These cereal bars are chewy, crunchy and delicious with good-for-you seeds, nuts, fruit and little explosions of chocolate. We like the flavor of dried cherries or cranberries, but any coarsely chopped dried fruit will work.

    Chocolate-Cherry (or Cranberry) Snack Bars-Eating Well

    Makes: 16 bars

    Active Time: 15 minutes

    Total Time: 1 hour 50 minutes (including 1 hour cooling time)

    Ingredients

        2 1/2 cups unsweetened puffed wheat cereal
        1/2 cup pecan halves, chopped medium-fine
        1/3 cup salted roasted pepitas (see Notes)
        1/4 cup dried cherries or dried cranberries, coarsely chopped
        2 tablespoons sesame seeds
        1 tablespoon ground flaxseeds (see Notes)
        1/2 cup honey
        1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract
        1/8 teaspoon salt
        1/2 cup mini semisweet chocolate chips or finely chopped bittersweet chocolate

    Preparation:

    Position a rack in lower third of oven; preheat to 300°F. Line an 8-inch-square pan with parchment paper, letting it overhang on two opposite sides.

    Toss cereal, pecans, pepitas, cherries (or cranberries), sesame seeds and ground flaxseeds in a large bowl.

    Combine honey, vanilla and salt in a small saucepan. Warm over medium heat, stirring, until the honey is more fluid and the salt is dissolved. Pour the honey mixture over the dry ingredients and fold until everything is moistened and sticky. Let cool for 5 minutes. Fold in chips (or chopped chocolate) until evenly distributed. Scrape the mixture into the prepared pan and spread evenly with a fork. Using the back of the fork, press the mixture very firmly all over. (Alternatively, cover with parchment paper and press firmly all over.)

    Bake until the top is golden brown, about 35 minutes. (If in doubt, take it out so the honey does not burn.) Run a knife along the unlined sides of the pan to detach the bars. Let cool in the pan on a wire rack to room temperature, about 1 hour. Use the ends of the parchment to lift the bars from the pan. Gently peel off the parchment. Use a heavy sharp knife to cut into 16 bars or squares.

    I make mine with cranberries. Calorie and nutritional info and tips for preparation can be found at the link.

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    Speaking of "diet food" (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:32:23 PM EST
    I just got my holiday catalog from Petit Jean Meats.

    I don't always get a ham but I do it often enough to stay on the mailing list.   Everything they have is good but the hams are IMO simply the best.  Period.

    Highly recommended.

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    Ooooohhhh! (none / 0) (#131)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:51:40 PM EST
    Bookmarked, thanks.  Looks like a great source for Christmas gifts.    ;-)

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    Here's another - gobblegobble.com (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:55:04 PM EST
    Thanks for that, Howdy, (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:26:48 PM EST
    but we have a poultry farm very near here which produces spectacular smoked turkeys and smoked chickens, as well as the fresh versions of same.
    It's where we always try to get our fresh and smoked turkey and chicken.  And fresh eggs.  One of the advantages of living out in the boonies.   ;-)
    I also have a good, near-by source of lamb.
    But there are no pork producers up here, so a great source of ham and sausage, etc., is always appreciated.


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    I have a good friend who's husband (none / 0) (#165)
    by ZtoA on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 12:44:53 AM EST
    and now daughter are hunters. Every year he/she kills an elk and then they have sausage made from it and freeze it and the rest of the beautiful animal who they always thank. They 'gift' friends with sausages every 6 months or so and they are just so tasty and Yummmm.  I have hardly ever eaten pig - but do like bacon from time to time. I'd like to make a pig dinner sometime - tenderloin or pork belly or something.

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    Just about nothing better (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:22:40 AM EST
    than roast pork

    Bavarian Roast Pork

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    With those (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:57:41 PM EST
    you can have a spectacular holiday dinner reeeeeeally easy.

    Done it.

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    Well I Am Going to Plug This... (none / 0) (#172)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:06:42 AM EST
    ...since it's located in my home town of Marshfield, WI.

    FIGI'S

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    An old standby (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:16:37 AM EST
    Bookmarked! (none / 0) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:26:41 PM EST
    have you ever tried cooking with stevia? (none / 0) (#149)
    by ZtoA on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:02:15 PM EST
    I gave up most sugar years ago - it does not sit well for me - even very sweet fruits and honey. But if I get a craving for something sweet, I add a bit of stevia. Some people don't like the flavor, but it does not bother me. I've made a couple of desserts, ice cream and sorbet for family substituting stevia for the sugar. They always gobble them up and have never said they taste strange to them. At least 4-7 of them are serious sugar lovers too.

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    I have a friend who uses stevia in her morning (none / 0) (#150)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:14:26 PM EST
    breakfast muffins, and I cannot tell there isn't any real sugar in them. I'm going to give it a try after tasting it in baked goods.

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    no Breaking Bad fan (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:21:10 PM EST
    would ever eat STEVIA

    But seriously no.  I don't do artificial sweeteners.  I always hear "this one is different".  They all taste the same to me.  I have read some are more sensitive to the taste.  I must be one of those people.

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    But stevia is not an artificial sugar (none / 0) (#153)
    by ZtoA on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:45:01 PM EST
    It is just a plant that is very sweet. Cane sugar is a plant too. It does not give me that sugar rush, but then again, I know my family loves that sugar rush. Nevertheless they have never noticed that I cook and bake with stevia, and believe me, if they did not like it 1) they would not gobble it up and 2) would definitely say something.

    The longer I don't eat sugar (its been around 10 years for me) the more I taste sweet things. Usually they just blow me away now when I take a bite, and not in a good way (one bite is enough for me). I have, however, received my culinary torch so will make creme brulee for family soon since my sister gets almost religious about that dessert. I'll make it with stevia. :)

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    Is stevia a breaking bad killer? (none / 0) (#154)
    by ZtoA on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:47:32 PM EST
    I had to stop watching that show after the episode where the wife kills her husband by pushing an ATM onto his head and the little kid was abandoned. Started watching Portlandia instead.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:04:09 PM EST
    he puts Ricin in Lydia's Stevia.

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    Stevia grows in my garden. (none / 0) (#155)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:50:48 PM EST
    I actually knew it was a plant (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:56:49 PM EST
    but I don't like it.  As far as taste IMO Splenda is better.

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    nystray do you ever use the plant? (none / 0) (#162)
    by ZtoA on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:58:29 PM EST
    I just buy the drops (liquid) and I think it is made from the crushed leaves. I think the sense of taste and smell varies so much from person to person. My mother has lost her sense of smell and mostly taste too. When I was visiting her last month I discovered a bottle of rancid flax oil in her frig. It smelled and tasted awful.

    She likes to have a "happy hour" at 5:00 for her one glass (means maybe two) of wine and some nuts which she likes to set out in her living room. She is a very sweet, gentle, smart and frail woman now (90). So one day I went out and got a good flax oil and a couple of really good olive oils and set out an "oil tasting" with bits of gluten free bread for her/our happy hour. She could not tell any difference in the smell or taste, which to me were extremely obvious. No biggie,  just convinced her not to store flax oil outside the frig (which she had done) and substituted the new non rancid flax oil for her rancid one.

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    I tried it with my husband (none / 0) (#194)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:13:49 AM EST
    But he has to use Splenda instead.  Stevia messes with his digestion too much.  Splenda makes baking dry...bleh

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    Sounds yummy, thanks for sharing! (none / 0) (#18)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:53:45 AM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:27:20 AM EST
    hope others like it as much as I do

    Btw
    The flour in the last version should have been a bit more.  But I suspect most here will know how much to add (I add the flour last) to get to the right consistency.

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    Perfect timing - thanks! (none / 0) (#40)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34:01 AM EST
    I've been saving overripe bananas in my freezer to make banana bread...was going to do it last weekend, but never got  around to it. Will use your recipe for sure!

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    Capt - have you thought about using fresh (none / 0) (#44)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:47:13 AM EST
    pineapple for moisture in your breads?  You might even be able to reduce the sugar even more by doing so.  Also, have you ever made zucchini bread? It is a good bread for nuts (pecans and walnuts are my favorites), add some cinnamon and the cranberries and you'll be in yummy heaven.

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    OMG (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:53:09 AM EST
    i forgot the cinnamon.  Thank you.  Add to taste.  I add lots.
    And yes I also make zucchini bread.  Actually I was on such a tear doing this that I have neighbors dropping ingredients and bribes like garden fruit or vegetables so I will make Z or B bread for them.

    Btw the finished product freezes well.  I always make at least two.  Some times a good deal more.  Toasted with a bit of preserves or honey it hard to beat.

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    The Darren Wilson story (4.50 / 2) (#7)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:41:19 AM EST
    Darren Wilson's Story  

    Told of Wilson's version of events, Brown family lawyer Anthony Gray scoffed, calling it "absurd from beginning to end" and a "concocted version of events that nobody supports," referring to other public witness statements.

    Gray said the version of Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown, was more plausible.

    He said that the only important part of the story was the final few shots fired and that Wilson had to be justified in taking every shot.

    "This story just doesn't even make good nonsense."

    Of course he said that. (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:40:17 AM EST
    More (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:04:41 AM EST
    Here

    But a St. Louis Post-Dispatch analysis of Brown's official county autopsy it has obtained suggests the teenager may not have had his hands raised after all. Experts told the newspaper Brown was shot Aug. 9., at close range -- and may have been reaching for Wilson's weapon. The autopsy found material "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm" in a wound on Brown's thumb. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said this "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound."

    Melinek, who was not involved in the investigation, said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender.

    "If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he's going for the officer's gun," she said.

    SNIP

    The source who spoke to the newspaper said Wilson told investigators he did indeed get out and chase Brown before Brown rushed him.

    The Post-Dispatch wrote:

    Wilson said he had yelled for Brown to stop, then fired, the source said. Brown flinched as if he was hit, and Wilson said he had stopped shooting. Brown continued running toward him, and Wilson said he had fired several more shots. The source said that Wilson had recalled that Brown's head was down when the last shot hit him there.

    And as always, we don't really know what ANY witness will say if they ever get under oath.  It's one thing to talk to a TV camera, and it's quite another thing to be under oath and cross-examined.

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    The people quoted in the paper are also (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:26:27 AM EST
    not under oath. Nor will a defense team for Michael Brown be able to disbute their statements since no trial will occur. Brown is being tried and convicted by these staged leaks and he can't present his account of what happened since he is dead.

    BTW, do you want to retract your statement that Wilson will definitely be indicted and be tried to appease the AA community.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#13)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:34:56 AM EST
    the people quoted in the paper are also not under oath.  Kind of my point.  But there is forensic evidence.  

    And yes, I think he will still be indicted.  I think, like many, the GJ will still find there's enough contradictory statements that it should be sent to a jury (trier of fact) to decide.

    Nor will a defense team for Michael Brown be able to disbute their statements since no trial will occur. Brown is being tried and convicted by these staged leaks and he can't present his account of what happened since he is dead.

    Michael Brown's "defense team" is the state of Missouri - not his mouthpieces running around trying to find every camera they can.

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    That is really, really funny (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:48:14 AM EST
    that you believe for even one moment that the State of Missouri is Brown's defense team. The State of Missouri punted on interfering with McCulloch. The State of Missouri decided that it wanted no part of being Brown's "defense team." That is a verifiable fact.

    The St. Louis County's prosecutor's office is Wilson's defense team and these leaks are part of his defense.

    Get  back to me when Wilson is indicted.

    Here is my prediction:

    A no bill will be handed down by the GJ soon after the November election.  Just one more piece of McCulloch manipulating the process.

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    I'm sorry (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:56:54 AM EST
    that science may not support what you think you know about this case.

    But I still see a GJ, made up of people who are quite aware of what the societal impacts would be of a no-bill, indicting Wilson and making this go to a jury.  Which I think it should, by the way.

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    I thought Obama/Holder dispatched (none / 0) (#21)
    by leftwig on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:00:08 AM EST
    the Feds almost immediately to perform a parallel investigation?  Are you suggesting they are following McCulloch's "orders" as well?

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    Federal charges (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:03:07 AM EST
    are much more difficult to bring.

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    First (none / 0) (#17)
    by Palli on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:52:57 AM EST
    the DoJ Autopsy has not been leaked.

    The Euro American power structure of Missouri thinks it is going to control the African American community. No need or desire to appease. Nixon's Ferguson Project won't talk about African American's fear of law enforcement: that fear is the intent, the given.

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    I really think (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:18:34 AM EST
    a tipping point is coming.  I don't know if it will be this event that brings it but IMO it's coming.  Michael Brown, Trevon Martin, John Crawford, Eric Garner, killed without consequences.  And those are just the recent ones who's name I remember.  All over the country republicans are trying to take away the right to vote for these same communities.

    There is a tipping point coming.  It won't be pretty.

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    We can hope (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Palli on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:16:10 PM EST
     and may it bring a great deal of systemic change



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    I agree. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:40:01 AM EST
    I'm surprised there haven't been more Fergusons (the protests in the streets) already. But then, most Americans are gutless sheep who leave in a state on constant fear. Watching local news will have you convinced there's a boogeyman around every corner, especially with Halloween coming.

    Of course, this is a country where the police (or current armed occupier/thugs) will not hesitate to kill, beat and maim the citizens they are supposedly paid to protect. It's a useful policy for making sure the minions stay in line.

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    Perhaps the Post Dispatch will publish the (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:29:45 AM EST
    autopsy report. That's news.  

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    Autopsy report (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:05:15 AM EST
    Reaching (none / 0) (#14)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:38:55 AM EST
    Experts told the newspaper Brown was shot Aug. 9., at close range -- and may have been reaching for Wilson's weapon.

    "reaching"??? just reaching???

    Experts??? or just one expert???

    According to Wilson's StL story today Brown wasn't just reaching for the gun but Brown's hands were all over that gun. So then why is his fingerprint DNA not all over that gun but just his blood???

    The autopsy found material "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm" in a wound on Brown's thumb.

    Why just in the wound? Why not all over that hand? There should be GSR all over his hand and yet Dr Baden said there wasn't any -- on his hand or any of his skin.

    Did the County ME wash it all off before she sent the body to Baden and fail to tell him???

    Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said this "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound."

    And what does it say if there is no accompanying GSR on his hand???

    Melinek, who was not involved in the investigation, said the autopsy did not support those who claim Brown was attempting to flee or surrender.

    "If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he's going for the officer's gun," she said.>

    Really!!! What does the one have to do with the other??? What does reaching for the gun in the car have to do with what happened 125 feet away and 30 seconds later. She clearly is confusing the two events -- what happened in the car with what happened on the street.

    With all the money the police union has and she is the best they could do??? Well in her defense she didn't have much to work with.

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    I agree that the newest reports (none / 0) (#23)
    by leftwig on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:06:57 AM EST
    don't answer all the questions and I'm sure there will be other experts to weigh in once the full autopsy reports are released, but they do reduce DJ's credibility.  He said he was standing right beside Brown (within an arms length of both of them) as Wilson fired hitting Brown in the right side chest or arm and could see the blood pooling on Browns shirt instantly.  Doesn't seem to jive with hearing that Brown was shot in the thumb.

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    The thumb theory (none / 0) (#29)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:43:10 AM EST
    And then there is this that disagrees with the thumb theory:

    The close range shot

    Forensic experts interviewed by the newspaper said the material indicated Brown's hand was close to officer Darren Wilson's weapon when Brown was shot Aug. 9.

    However, the autopsy noted there was no "powder stipple," or residue often left by guns fired at close range.

    The county autopsy largely squared with a private one requested by the Brown family as far as the number and location of his wounds.

    But the private report concluded none of the wounds were likely made at close range due to a lack of gunpowder on the body.

    [So according to this, his hand was close to the gun in the car but probably not shot by the gun at that point. He could have been shot in the thumb as he was running away because in today's StL Today article Wilson reportedly says that when Brown turned around he was holding onto his shirt with his hand. It could have been at that point that the gunshot material on his shirt was transferred to the wound on his hand -- not back at the SUV]

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    The ME (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:50:30 AM EST
    said this:

    The paper said that the autopsy reported found no "stippling," powder burns indicative of a shot fired at short range. But it quoted Graham saying that "Sometimes when it's really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke." It also said that tissue from the thumb wound showed foreign matter "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm."


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    foreign matter in the thumb wound (none / 0) (#34)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:10:47 AM EST
    From StL Today article

    "Wilson said Brown had not had his hands up; his left hand was slightly out, fingers pointing down. His right hand was grasping his shirt.

    If he was shot in the shoulder through his shirt at the car transferring GSR to his shirt, then shot in the thumb while running away, grabbing his shirt after turning around, then the foreign matter from the shot in the shoulder on his shirt could have been transferred to the wound to his thumb at that point.

    Yes??? No???

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    Wake up. (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:08:32 AM EST
    He was shot in the while struggling with Wilson in the SUV.

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    He was shot in the thumb while struggling. (none / 0) (#51)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:12:31 AM EST
    No (none / 0) (#121)
    by toggle on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:33:03 PM EST
    There is no stippling because the barrel was too close for the gases to spread out before they hit the skin. The way this is described is as a contact or near-contact wound.

    Also the angle (from the tip of the thumb toward the wrist) is inconsistent with anything but Brown reaching toward Wilson. Certainly it did not occur as Brown was running away or standing there with his hands up.


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    One more time for Uncle Chip (none / 0) (#124)
    by ragebot on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:52:20 PM EST
    The official ME performed the autopsy on 10 August.  The Baaden autopsy was performed on 17 August after Brown's body had been moved to the funeral home.  It is hard to understand how a body could be kept for a week after death with nothing being done to the body.

    Given that funeral workers clean bodies with fairly strong chemicals it seems more likely that that is where the GSR was washed off, not by the ME.

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    All I can say is, "reaching for the gun" (none / 0) (#24)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:11:07 AM EST
    can be taken two ways.  To a cop who is ultimately trying to defend his killing of an unarmed person, "reaching for the gun" is meant to connote aggression and intent to harm the cop and provide justification for the cop to go after the citizen.  

    To the young person who had been grabbed around the neck and pulled into the window opening of the vehicle, "reaching for the gun" is about believing he was about to be shot and trying to stop it from happening.

    If I was on a GJ and could ask Wilson questions, I'd want to know why, at seemingly every point at which Wilson had to make a decision, he always chose the option least likely to de-escalate and calm the situation.  Since it now seems to be true that Brown's upper body was in the vehicle, those who want to believe Brown forced himself into that position need to ask why Wilson, whose vehicle was running, didn't just shove him out of the way, hit the gas and remove himself from danger.

    Sadly, that is about the third point in this drama where Wilson's choice made no sense, and in the totality of this series of events, the explanations of those defending him strain the ability of reasonable people to comprehend.

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    In regards to this quote (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by leftwig on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:26:56 AM EST
    "To the young person who had been grabbed around the neck and pulled into the window opening of the vehicle, "reaching for the gun" is about believing he was about to be shot and trying to stop it from happening."

    Did Brown have any injuries to his neck or throat area (I'd think the family autopsy would have pointed out any injuries to Brown)?  I would suspect if a big guy like Wilson was grabbing his neck and a big guy like Brown was resisting that there would be some sort of indication that Wilson had somehow grabbed Brown by the neck.  I will also add that its likely a physical impossibility that someone sitting in an SUV could grab a 6'4", 300 lb man around the neck and pull them through the window.  IF Browns body was inside that window, its because Brown wanted it to be there.  I do agree that there are multiple possibilities for Brown having the GS wound to the hand.  IF he was outside the SUV when the shot occurred, it could be that it was put up in defense.  IF he was inside the SUV involved in a struggle with Wilson, then its because he wanted to be in that vehicle and makes it much more likley his action to go for the gun was an offensive move.

    "If I was on a GJ and could ask Wilson questions, I'd want to know why, at seemingly every point at which Wilson had to make a decision, he always chose the option least likely to de-escalate and calm the situation. "

    This is irrelevant as long as the officer was acting within the law, but if the recent article is accurate, I think your answers can be found within.  Wilson suspected them of the SA robbery (robbery involving physical confrontation), his job is to confront, contain and potentially arrest the two individuals.  Wilson says he put his SUV in park and when he tried to get out of the car, he was shoved back in and attacked.  Maybe he's lying but if that occurred, I am not sure what else he could do at that point.  Also, its an officers job not only to protect himself but to protect others.  He says he had suspicion that these two were involved in a SA robbery.  IF he was attacked, those suspicions were confirmed (anyone willing to attack a PO is clearly a threat to society) and its his job and responsibility to try and stop them, not just run away.  

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    Those are good questions (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:46:23 AM EST
    However, I would suggest that while your questions arise through the lens of time and distance, it may be difficult to understand the mentality in the immediate seconds of a chaotic situation.  

    I'm still not sure how anyone "grabs" and "pulls in" a very large man through a car window -   even someone as large as Darren Wilson.  Even if Wilson pulled up right next to Johnson and Brown, he would have to be at least a rearview mirror length away from Brown. And unless he has arms like Stretch Armstrong, I just don't see him being able to "grab" and "pull" Brown in the car unless Brown himself stuck his head in the window. That part of the story makes no sense to me. I would like to see anyone here try and grab and pull someone of similar size through their car window.  You couldn't do it.

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    Stretch Wilson (none / 0) (#37)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:28:12 AM EST
    And unless he has arms like Stretch Armstrong

    He does --

    There is a picture of him standing over Brown and his arms almost reach to his knees with big hands and long fingers to match. He is huge.

    I don't think he was necessarily pulling Brown into the SUV -- just as close to the door&window as possible as he leaned back and reached behind him with the other hand to take out his gun.

    Also in StL Today today Wilson said that there was broken glass everywhere. How did that happen???

    If the door window was down all the way how did that glass get broken???

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    Where was the glass? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:31:47 AM EST
    Inside the car, outside or both?

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    Seems like (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:34:15 AM EST
    broken glass? (none / 0) (#80)
    by Palli on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:25:47 PM EST
    Absolutely no one has reported broken glass or sweeping up broken glass when the memorials were were created.  

    How could too large men's upper torsos share the interior drivers space of a SUV?

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    Not sure what you imply by (none / 0) (#85)
    by leftwig on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:04:50 PM EST
    "no one has reported"?  Would the police just leave all the broken glass in the street, or would they have it cleaned up after they were done investigating the area and removed the SUV?

    On the second, its an SUV and I imagine Wilson, being a pretty tall fellar, had the seat back as far as it goes creating more space in the front seat.  I believe it was also mentioned in one of the recent articles that he (Wilson) moved his body away from Brown and towards the passenger side seat.

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    Big bodies -- good point (none / 0) (#105)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    There is zero evidence that Brown was inside that vehicle and even though Wilson's statement implies it he never really comes out and says it.

    He uses the double entendre word "pinned" to imply what a wrestler does, but when you read further what he means is that he couldn't get out of the door because Brown was standing there.

    In another statement he clearly says that he was being punched through the open window.  That's tough to do with the door ajar.

    And at one point he handed the cigarillos to Johnson who was close to him -- a tough thing to do if you are inside the SUV.

    Then there is the issue of his blood on the interior door panel of the window which you would expect if there was broken glass there and he was standing outside the door there and got shot in the arm there.

    And there is only blood there and not further inside where it should be if he was shot further inside.

    And then there is the issue of the two bullets fired in there. How did they get out of the SUV???

    How would they have gotten around Brown's big body and get  out of the SUV as there are no discernible holes in the door or roof -- just in Brown.

    The police know that one of the bullets ended up in a building down the street. As far as the location of the other one -- who knows??? But with Brown's blood on the interior door panel that he was leaning over, logic says that that bullet went into the arm/shoulder leaning over that interior door panel.

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    And in other news of the WS and opera (!), (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:22:18 AM EST
    mezzo soprano Joyce di Donato, who grew up in Kansas City, is left off the Royals (actually the MLB's) WS national anthem singers roster.

    NYT

    "WS?" n/t (none / 0) (#62)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:53:23 PM EST
    World Series? (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:56:34 PM EST
    Answering for Oc, (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:59:21 PM EST
    That would be a "yes."    ;-)

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#76)
    by NYShooter on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:58:26 PM EST
    BOTH.

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    Clayton police have paranormal powers (none / 0) (#2)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:29:24 AM EST
    They can sense that a crime will be committed and arrest the perp before they actually do anything illegal.

    Clayton police used their extrasensory powers when arresting  activist Elizabeth Vega.

    "Clayton Police Chief Kevin Murphy said the demonstrator was charged with assault because police sensed the pumpkin was about to be lobbed in the `direction of officers arresting another person,'" the Post-Dispatch reported.

    Link


    Keystone Cops (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:33:33 AM EST
    look better all the time.

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    Link isn't working on my mini. (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:37:10 AM EST
    Maybe Clayton PD is proactive b/c of the East coast pumpkin festival riot?  [snk.]

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#6)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:23:36 AM EST
    Thought I finally got a link right using my Ipad. Guess not.

    Yes this protest was to highlight comparison.

    At one point in the evening, over 4,000 people, mostly white male college students, were gathered in the community of 23,000. The students were causing chaos throughout the evening, as liquor bottles were thrown, stores were broken into and cars were tipped over. Bonfires were set throughout the town's streets. Light posts and signs were torn out of the ground. Town residents reported that most in the crowd were loud, obnoxious and drunk. At least 20 people were taken to area hospitals for various injuries, mostly from thrown bottles. This is also not a new thing for Keene. Last year, 140 arrests were made at the pumpkin fest.

    Eventually, after copious amounts of property damage had been done by the out-of-control students, riot police were called into the scene to disperse the crowd. People in the crowd apparently started throwing beer bottles at the police and shouted obscenities. Tear gas was shot into the crowd and pepper spray was used on individuals who allegedly confronted police in a physical manner. One 18-year-old student told the local paper Saturday night that it was a "blast to do things you aren't supposed to be doing." He also suggested that the students were revolting from the cops.

    Much like with riots in the aftermath of sporting events, this is going to be seen as kids just blowing off steam, having a little too much fun and just taking things a bit too far. Now, compare this to the coverage that we've seen by the mainstream media in regards to protests in Ferguson. link



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    This, along with the Palin drunken brawl (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:35:57 AM EST

    demonstrates that there are serious problems in the White community that have yet to be addressed by such White leaders as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Gretchen Carlson.  

    It's getting to the point where some of my Chinese cousins cross to the other side of the street who they see a young white man walking down the street.  

    The White community must step up and address the problems of family dysfunction and violence that havve plagued it for so long since they came to this country.

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    Corrected Link (none / 0) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:15:46 AM EST
    The 1st amendment is a good thing (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:37:56 AM EST
    it's a good thing
    it's a good thing
    it's a good thing
    Etc

    Last week on his talk radio program, Michael Savage got into an argument with a caller over whether California lawmakers should rename a San Francisco tunnel in honor of Robin Williams. The caller, who said he was a veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), defended the move, while Savage objected to the plan, claiming that it would promote suicide.

    After a lengthy argument, Savage hung up on the caller and proceeded to attack him. "I am so sick and tired with everyone with their complaints about PTSD, depression. Everyone wants their hand held and a check, a government check. What, are you the only generation that had PTSD? The only generation that's depressed?"

    He then blamed America's problems on those who "cry like a little baby" over depression: "If the whole nation is told, `boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness,' you know what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and lawyers in every phase of the government, that's what you wind up with. It's a weak, sick nation. A weak, sick, broken nation."

    Savage continued that veterans with PTSD are a "bunch of losers" and recommended that they be more like Michael Savage.

    "You need men like me to save the country," he said. "You need men to stand up and say stop crying like a baby over everything." He continued that "men are so weak and so narcissistic" that it is "no wonder ISIS can defeat our military."



    I think we should take him up on the offer (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by CST on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:17:46 AM EST
    to save the country from ISIS.  Go to Syria Michael Savage.   PLEASE.

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    Wow! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:05:06 PM EST
    Well, I know how rape happens on a cultural level.  Don't talk about it.  And please don't talk about sex, and especially how sex is really great when sober and shared.  When it comes to sex, can we also continue the Conservative shaming of women who like sex and know exactly what they want in the bedroom?  If only we would stop talking about "stuff" and stick with shaming, our biggest worry would be Eddie Haskell and lost homework.

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    The shaming is (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:47:20 PM EST
    just awful but I think that Huckabee was letting the truth out about how a lot of people think on this subject when he basically implied that giving women birth control will turn them into sluts. I am really, really sick of the fundamentalist mentality that in order to have a society that operates women need to be controlled. It's really odd too that they think that women are responsible for men's behavior. Just tired, tired, tired of all this junk is all I feel like saying.

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    LOL! That reminds me of a silly joke ... (5.00 / 5) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:14:11 PM EST
    ... from the 1980s, when the culture wars were really raging.

    Q: How does a conservative Republican couple do it "doggie-style"?

    A: The husband sits up and begs, while the wife rolls over and plays dead.

    ;-D

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    Naughty, Donald, naughty! (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:58:34 PM EST
    ;-)
    Looks like you guys dodged the big bullet with Hurricane Ana, though.  Take care, and namaste.

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    Yes, we did. (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:55:16 PM EST
    But while the hurricane itself passed south of us, we still received a rather prodigious amount of rainfall (9-12" on Oahu depending on locale), which apparently overwhelmed the city's main sewage treatment facility at Honouliuli on Sand Island. This resulted in a considerable release of tertiary level-treated effluent into Keehi Lagoon -- which we didn't learn about until it was first reported on the local news this morning.

    Now, you'd never think it at first glance, given its close proximity to Honolulu's industrial waterfront between both our busy harbor and even busier international airport, but Keehi Lagoon is actually a thriving wildlife sanctuary for native Hawaiian corals, reef fish and shore birds. And coming as this spill does on the heels of HC&S's toxic molasses dump last year, that poor body of water has experienced some considerable environmental stress of late.

    Aloha.

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    That is one whole (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:02:00 PM EST
    heck of a lot of rain!
    So sorry about the Keehi Lagoon.  :-(

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    good gawd, who is a bigger whiner than (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:47:48 PM EST
    Michael Savage? Take your own advice Michael!

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    Hell (none / 0) (#119)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:30:24 PM EST
    his real name is even Weiner..

    Stern did a great take-down of that tough-talking twerp "Doctor Savage".." (Doc Savage?) "You're a Jew, Michael! what are you so ashamed of?!"  

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    "Dogs bark, but the caravan passes." (none / 0) (#118)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:30:18 PM EST
    Let the dogs bark, Cap'n. There ain't nothing stopping your caravan!

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    Last night I finally finished the Ken Burns (none / 0) (#42)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:38:14 AM EST
    "The Roosevelts" documentary. It was so wonderfully done. I wish I had seen every moment and every photo but my short attention span won out at times.  I am in awe of those people.

    Maybe I had to reach a certain age to fully appreciate Eleanor. Her inspiration of courage through trials great and small has already gotten me through the morning.

    As predicted (none / 0) (#65)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    With Their Own Party ?? (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:12:32 PM EST
    #IamShocked

    Side Note: There are just way too many teaparty idiots named Scott for my tastes, even one from my home state.

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    Well (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:15:34 PM EST
    Some around here kept insisting that the Tea Party wouldn't kowtow to the more establishment Republicans and would just sit home on Election Day and kept telling me "I just didn't understand" since I didn't live in an area filled with Tea Partiers.

    Looks like they are going to be wrong.

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    Yeah, that is Funny... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:32:36 PM EST
    ...republicans not voting for republicans out of principle.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:48:18 PM EST
    if Georgia is indicative of anything it's that the establishment has been pandering like crazy to the far right. It doesn't matter what part of the party they came from, they're all spouting the tea party insanity now.

    And if you read down the article you have Ken Cucinelli stating that if they don't do what the tea party wants there is going to be more shooting. Which if they do what the tea party wants, they are going to shoot themselves in the foot. If they don't do what the tea party wants, they are going to start running candidates against them apparently. I never thought they would split off but it's happening here at the local level. If an "establishment" candidate wins the primary, they are running candidates against them in the general. And Jenny Beth Martin that they quoted in the article? She's involved in the candidacy here with the split.

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    Um (none / 0) (#72)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:50:47 PM EST
    Is anyone listening to Ken Cuccinelli?  It's like saying Rick Santorum said something and that he carries influence...

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    Well (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:55:59 PM EST
    he's just as relevant as Jenny Beth Martin isn't he? He's got a leadership position whether he really should or not but at least he's been elected to SOMETHING which Martin has been elected to exactly ZERO.

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    I don't even know (none / 0) (#77)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:04:12 PM EST
    who Jenny Beth Martin is, and I bet most people, including Tea Partiers don't either, so I doubt they are going to listen to what she has to say.

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    She is (none / 0) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:10:51 PM EST
    the leader of the tea party express. Yes, I know you don't know much about the tea party. All the tea partiers know who she is. She's been on Fox numerous times hawking the tea party. She speaks at their rallies. The beltway is pretty clueless as to what these nuts have been up to. They're going to be pretty shocked if the GOP takes the senate and starts spouting all this tea party nonsense but they should not be. Look what happened in the house? It is completely dysfunctional. I would expect the same thing in the senate should the GOP take it over. If McConnell gets reelected, he'll be the new Boehner pretty much unable to do anything unless it's something the far right wants.

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    I'm not sure what this means (none / 0) (#82)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:43:22 PM EST
    The beltway is pretty clueless as to what these nuts have been up to.

    But we here up in the beltway read things, and I can guarantee that the establishment Republicans know "what the Tea Party is up to."  Yet, they've defeated them in every major race this year, so please tell me again how scared Mitch McConnell is of them?  Since he's already gone out and publicly said one of his goals after the midterm (assuming he's in line to be the next Senate Majority Leader) is to have a "clean slate" of must-pass legislation, even though Tea Partiers Ted Cruz and his ilk are braying about it.  McConnell doesn't seem very afraid of them now, and he isn't going to be afraid of them in 3 months.

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    No, (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:03:17 PM EST
    they haven't defeated them in every race this year. I wouldn't call it defeat if the establishment candidate starts spouting tea party nonsense is it? And I guess you've forgotten about Cantor? That seemed to shake them to the core. Apparently you haven't been paying attention to what has been happening the house. McConnell is not going to be able to do anything that goes against the tea party because the GOP senators are all afraid of a tea party challenge. It's not even that they are afraid of losing the primary against the tea party so much as they'll spend money for the primary that could have been used for the general election. Or the party will split and a tea party candidate will run against them like what is happening locally here. You'll see. McConnell no matter what he says now he'll be pandering to the tea party if he becomes majority leader.  

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    Cantor didn't lose because of the Tea Party (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:39:46 PM EST
    It was hubris and arrogance and being out of touch with his constituents. Yes, he had some Tea Party support, but he also got plenty of help from Democrats who just wanted Cantor out.

    It's not even that they are afraid of losing the primary against the tea party so much as they'll spend money for the primary that could have been used for the general election

    I have no idea what you are talking about here, since the primaries are over. And the establishment-backed candidates won handily all over the place.  Are there a few outliers where the TP candidate won?  Yes, but that's hardly the same thing as being "formidable".

    Let's even look to the presidential favorites for 2016, with the usual caveats.

    Let's grant, for the sake of argument, that the most tea party-friendly candidates in the potential 2016 GOP primary field are Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), along with neurosurgeon Ben Carson. These three, more than the others, appear to be aligned with that movement, even as someone like Paul is far more complex than the "tea party" label.

    And despite a reasonably high profile for all three men -- at least among the GOP base -- they take a grand total of 17 percent of the vote. Meanwhile, more establishment-oriented Republicans such as Romney, Bush, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) combine to take 43 percent.

    SNIP (my bold)

    This is hardly the first development to suggest a waning influence for the tea party. The movement was unable to upend an incumbent senator for the first time in three elections in the 2014 primaries. Meanwhile, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last week showed that 19 percent of Americans had a favorable view of the tea party -- a new low -- and that 6 percent had a "very positive" view of it. An additional 46 percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of it.

    That 19 percent, if you just look at the GOP base, still looks pretty formidable, but it's clear that about half of that base isn't on board with the tea party anymore. And the fact that only 6 percent of Americans feel "very positive" about the movement -- also a new low -- suggests that its true adherents number very few Republicans.

    McConnell is now afraid of the Tea Partiers in the House?  Why?  If they end up passing some crazy legislation, as Senate Majority Leader, he doesn't have to bring it to a vote.  It will go nowhere.  McConnell is smart enough to know that a)  Obama will be an impotent lame duck come January, b)  2016 is a presidential election year, and while there is no clear front runner yet, that will soon come into focus and if HRC decides not to run, it could be fair game and a chance for a Republican candidate, and c) he also knows that 2016 is going to be a terrible year for Republicans in the Senate, so he's not going to do a lot of crazy stuff that could help usher him out of his position.

    Does this mean he won't talk crazy? No, but he also knows that Obama still holds a veto pen and the Dems can block all sorts of stuff, and since he knows he will have probably only 2 years to be in power, he will pick his battles wisely.  

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    Well (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:52:04 PM EST
    Cantor's opposition was a tea party candidate was he not?

    Of course, you don't know what I'm talking about. Do you not realize that the GOP would have to spend money they normally wouldn't if they have tea party opposition? The GOP is afraid of them. If they weren't afraid of them something might actually come out of the house other than crackpot legislation. And that crackpot legislation is what is going to get voted on in the senate if McConnell is the senate leader. They don't have to be "formidable" to get what they want. There just have to be enough of them that they issue a threat to sit home or something and the GOP will get in line. If McConnell doesn't bring something up for a vote he's going to face an insurrection. If you think he's going to get away with doing the same thing Reid has been doing you don't know how these people operate. I'm sure the beltway blather is all about how the tea party is no longer an influence or anything because that is what the GOP would like everybody to think but it's not true.

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    Who's going to insurrect? (none / 0) (#102)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:55:40 PM EST
    He's in the Senate - what can outlier House members do to him?

    They don't have to be "formidable" to get what they want. There just have to be enough of them that they issue a threat to sit home or something and the GOP will get in line.

    And apparently you didn't read the original article I posted which said the Tea Party groups are willing to come out and vote, and not only that, they are raising money.  They aren't going to "sit home".  I think you are stuck in 2010 sometimes.

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    The tea (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:03:54 PM EST
    partiers can threaten to run opposition against them in the GOP primary. And unfortunately they are not "outlier" members. These tea partiers got almost every Republican to vote for blowing up the financial health of the country in case you have forgotten.

    The tea partiers are getting catered to and the GOP is adopting their rhetoric. That is what I said above. So they are being pandered to. They are going to expect something are they not? Do you honestly think they can pander to these nuts and then not deliver anything and expect them to sit there and take it? Ken Cucinelli is right about the shooting that is going to happen if they don't do what the tea partiers want. No, I am in the current time frame. You just simply don't want to admit that they're still there and still getting what they want from the GOP for whatever reason.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#111)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:05:33 PM EST
    The tea (none / 0) (#110)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:03:54 PM EST
    partiers can threaten to run opposition against them in the GOP primary.

    They did that this year.  How'd that work for them?

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    It seemed (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:06:37 PM EST
    to work out fine for most of them because they candidates that won became tea partiers.

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    Who? (none / 0) (#114)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:12:13 PM EST
    Again - I think this is something you wish would happen, but it didn't. Again - 2010.  Are they conservative?  Yes, crazy even, but that has been coming for over a generation.

    But wev - feel free to continue to believe that the TEA PARTY is TAKING OVER OUR LIVES.

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    You've (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:50:26 PM EST
    got a senate candidate in Iowa who thinks that there actually were WMDs in Iraq! Perdue here in GA has gone full tea party. There are two for you. Even the ads McConnell have been running sound full on tea party. The tea party is obsessed with Obama and that is all they talk about hence the GOP doing the same thing.  

    I never said it is taking over our lives. I just said they are taking over the GOP which appears to have happened. The GOP has adopted their stances and their beliefs.

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    Actually, I read in the Times yesterday, (none / 0) (#166)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 01:45:43 AM EST
    (and, please don't make me go back to find a link) that the situation with the Tea Party really is different this year. In the last sequence of elections the Tea party lost every one of the races where they put up candidates to challenge the "establishment" guy.

    And, this year, the establishment Republicans, knowing that a takeover in the Senate is a real possibility, have wasted no effort in strong-arming Tea Partiers with the very potent, and, organized, threat of going nuclear in the media, should the Republicans let the Senate slip through their fingers due to the T.P. "Taliban-like" lunacy. The Times article claims that many Tea Partiers are seriously petrified of having to take the heat should their shenanigans cost the Party the Senate.

    The article gave many examples of just how unhinged the T.P. had become recently. Example after example of some of the farthest Right-Wing lunatic incumbents having to cope with even further, Far-Right, off-the-wall banana brain challengers.

    Bottom line, the Tea Party may just have burned one bridge too many.

    We'll know soon enough.

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    Well (none / 0) (#201)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:26:09 AM EST
    apparently their answer to this in some places like here and SC is to run their own candidate. I guess the GOP doesn't realize that their biggest problem may be that their so called "mainstream" candidates sound just like tea partiers of 4 years ago. Yeah, I agree with the further right and further right thing. Even the crackpots from a few years ago are not right enough for some of these crackpots. The tea party has succeeded though in pulling the GOP so far right the tea party and the GOP are going to go off the cliff together soon unless the GOP starts going nuclear on the tea party SOON.

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    Alabama House Speaker Arrested on 23... (none / 0) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:37:13 PM EST
    ...felony charges.

    OPELIKA, Ala. -- Powerful Alabama House Speaker Mike Hubbard has been arrested on felony ethics charges, accused of using public office for personal gain. Hubbard was indicted by a grand jury on 23 charges accusing him of misusing his office as speaker and his previous post as chairman of the Alabama Republican Party.

    ...

    If convicted, Hubbard faces from two to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $300,000 on each count. The charges are latest corruption allegations against Alabama politicians to make headlines. The 52-year-old Republican led the GOP's takeover of the Legislature in 2010, ending 136 years of Democratic control.

    LINK

    I am shocked, shocked, (none / 0) (#75)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:56:02 PM EST
    I tell you, that a politician (allegedly) illegally used his office for personal gain.    ;-)

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    And two states to the east, ... (none / 0) (#147)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:27:44 PM EST
    ... Rep. Bobby Harrell, who's the GOP Speaker of the South Carolina House, is going to plead guilty to misdemeanor charges that he misused his campaign fund for personal gain. LINK.

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    Lady Bug invasion (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:57:54 PM EST
    not sure which number the plague of Lady Bugs is but I will be glad when it's over.  

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:06:33 PM EST
    ladybugs are definitely preferable to other bugs I would say.

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    Spoken like a person (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:27:00 PM EST
    Im still find mummified ladybugs (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:38:06 PM EST
    from the LAST ladybug invasion.

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    We get them every (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:43:18 PM EST
    once in awhile.
    Still, I would rather have a ladybug invasion than a stink bug invasion, which we also get.
    I'll send some stink bugs down your way, Howdy, if you're interested.  ;-)

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    No thank you (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    We have stink bugs.  Too.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#136)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:00:49 PM EST
    Sorry about that, Howdy.

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    We had one years ago. (none / 0) (#99)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:42:01 PM EST
    Our house was white at the time and west facing rear wall attracted them in the late afternoon.

      Millions, literally millions, of them. They didn't just completely cover the rear wall they were several layers deep. It looked like something from a horror movie, a pulsating rust colored mass.

      Maybe only thousands of them made their way inside but it was plenty bad. They have a really bad odor.

     When we had the house repainted we chose a darker color in large part because they seem less attracted and if the cyclical swarm ever comes back we hope to have a smaller problem

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    Yep (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:02:41 PM EST
    white house.  Just sweeping them off the west facing wall with a water hose.

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    The dogs think (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:10:10 PM EST
    they are rice crispie treats.

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    You are (none / 0) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:57:34 PM EST
    correct. I've never had a ladybug invasion but in our last house we were hit by termites. Ladybugs as much of a pain as they may be are not nearly as bad I would think.

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    My mother sent me a big bag of lady bugs (none / 0) (#148)
    by ZtoA on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:56:06 PM EST
    after she has an infestation in Illinois. She thought I might like them since I have a sort of "thing" for dead bugs. I held up the bag and they all started crawling around! Unfortunately by that time many of them had rotted and were moldy. I politely asked her to only send me well-dead bugs in the future.

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    You are an odd duck Z (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 08:23:20 PM EST
    i can send you bushels if you pay the postage.

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    My Parents... (none / 0) (#96)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:39:35 PM EST
    ...get these orange like looking lady bugs that really stink when you smash them.  I think they call them stunk bugs.  But I don't remember ever seeing one as a kid, but now they are there every summer in hoards.

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    Trivia (none / 0) (#90)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:22:11 PM EST
    Which republican blowhard said this:

    And if it hadn't been for that they probably wouldn't have [Ebola]. So there are some people who think we kind of deserve a little bit of this. The danger we have now is that we elected people in positions of power and authority who think this or think like this in terms of this country being responsible, this country being to blame for things and it's that kind of thinking that leads to opposition to shutting down airports from various countries.

    Click the LINK if you have doubts.

    In regards to the straw man comment in another thread, this is what a straw man looks like.  I doubt you could find a person that thinks an entire country deserves Ebola.

    Geez (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:33:21 PM EST
    see M. Savage rant above.  I guess the competition between the Becks, Limpbaughs and Savages of the world for the Batsh!t World Cup is getting more intense by the day.
    Consider their audience and consider what it takes to keep shocking them.  Their anger buttons must literally be worn down to the nub.

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    Speaking of... (none / 0) (#109)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:03:19 PM EST
    ...where has Beck been, too busy fleecing the flock with gold futures to get on the Ebola bus.

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    I know that Alaska is pretty much ... (none / 0) (#141)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:28:01 PM EST
    ... off most people's radars, save for the ongoing antics of former Gov. Sarah Palin and her clan, but there's a rather noxious scandal that's been brewing within the state's National Guard ranks for quite some time now. And if it proves to have legs, it could have potential national implications regarding control of the U.S. Senate in Washington.

    This past Sunday, this simmering scandal began to burst out into the open with a bombshell article from the Alaska Dispatch News (formerly the Anchorage Daily News), which chronicles the shocking allegations in some considerable detail, and further challenges Gov. Sean Parnell's apparent mishandling of complaints and allegations regarding chronic sexual misconduct in the Alaska National Guard -- just in time for the general election:

    Alaska Dispatch News | October 19, 2014
    National Guard documents detail chronic misconduct among recruiting leaders - "The Alaska Army National Guard's Recruiting and Retention Battalion, a unit with access to high school students around the state and a budget to attend or sponsor popular outdoor events, has been, for years, a center of repeated sexual misconduct among its officers, according to investigative files. The files describe a unit in which officers prowled the lists of new recruits for sex, routinely cheated on their wives, drank to excess, went to strip clubs, chiseled the government with their official credit cards and made a habit of making leering and demeaning comments about women, including their fellow soldiers. The files were prepared between 2010 and 2014 in a largely failed effort by a few officers to mark the leaders of the battalion with the stain of an other-than-honorable discharge."

    For his part, Republican U.S. Senate candidate Dan Sullivan -- who was serving as Gov. Parnell's attorney general at the time many of these accusations and allegations were first being made -- has refused to discuss the issue with local media, which prompted a rather skeptical report from KTVA-TV News in Anchorage:

    KTVA-TV News | October 22, 2014
    Alaska National Guard scandal not worth talking about for Sullivan - "U.S. Senate candidate Dan Sullivan refuses to answer questions about what he knew, or did not know, about alleged sexual assault and fraud in the Alaska National Guard. Sullivan was Alaska's attorney general from June 17, 2009 to Dec. 5, 2010. During that time, Gov. Sean Parnell was told about the mishandling and cover-up of sexual assaults and fraud in the Guard. It's plausible that Parnell consulted his attorney general about the revelations, but Sullivan won't confirm or deny that it happened. Sullivan repeatedly reminds voters about his strong military background, yet his campaign manager, Ben Sparks, told KTVA that the problems within the National Guard are not something that Sullivan will talk about. When asked why Sullivan will not talk about the National Guard, Sparks told KTVA that it's not a story."

    Gov. Parnell is presently locked in a tight re-election battle with independent candidate Bill Walker, and current polls show Sullivan holding a consistent but still narrow lead over the Democratic incumbent, Sen. Mark Begich.

    While Alaska voters generally lean Republican, it should be noted they're not necessarily as firmly wedded to the GOP as people outside that state might otherwise think. This is particularly true in the Anchorage metropolitan area, where over half of the state's population resides.

    Further, more than a few of the allegations highlighted in these stories involve alleged attempts by ANG recruiters to coerce high school students sexually. While some of the incidents contained in these allegations obviously predate the Parnell administration, it's also readily apparent that the most serious complaints were first raised on Parnell's and Sullivan's watch.

    And finally, it's definitely not clear exactly what steps -- if any -- were taken by the Parnell administration to confront and resolve the problem, nor are the governor's current claims to have not consulted his own attorney general very credible, given both the seriousness of the allegations and the alleged criminal conduct.

    So, whatever political impact this story might have on the hotly contested gubernatorial and U.S. Senate races, well, it remains to be seen.

    Aloha.

    And the DSCC (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:01:26 PM EST
    has gone back into Kentucky. Strange election year this is turning out to be.

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    Batter up! 1-0 Giants :) (none / 0) (#146)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 07:13:46 PM EST


    Guess who said this yesterday: (none / 0) (#158)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:14:11 PM EST
    "It is upon all Muslims to exhort love, respect for others and human dignity."

    President Hassan Rouhani of Iran.

    The context is a protest by thousands of Iranians protesting acid attacks on women who were deemed to be acting in an "un-Islamic" way.

    The protestors likened those attacking women to "supporters of Islamic State militants". (ISIS)

    The complete story is here.

    Things would appear to be more complex than we are generally led to believe - imo.

    There have always been voices (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:20:31 PM EST
    Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head for speaking up.

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    My point (none / 0) (#167)
    by lentinel on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 05:17:58 AM EST
    was that the President of Iran, no less, defended the protestors and condemned, indirectly, the behavior ISIS.

    "It is upon all Muslims to exhort love, respect for others and human dignity."

    I found that statement pretty impressive coming from what we have labeled the "axis of evil".

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    The axis of evil (none / 0) (#183)
    by CST on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:30:13 AM EST
    Just means they are anti-American.

    I always thought of Iran as a rather stark contrast to Saudi Arabia in the middle-east.  More modern in their own country, decidedly not an ally.

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    Starting to think they should (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:14:12 PM EST
    just shoot the next person who jumps the White House fence.

    Brown Official Autopsy (none / 0) (#161)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 09:32:43 PM EST
    Brown's Official County Autopsy

    7 Bullet wounds and trajectories:

    #1] Top of head  -- downward

    #2,3,4] Forehead  -- in out in backward and downward

    #5] Lateral right chest -- the path of this shot is backward and downward

    #6,7] Upper right arm -- the path of this shot is slightly upward backward and leftward

    #8,9] Right forearm -- the path of this shot is slightly upward foreward and leftward

    #10] Right bicep grazing wound -- no determinable direction

    #11]Right thumb grazing wound -- path of the track is from tip of the thumb toward the wrist.

    No stippling and no GSR for any of these.

    But since his shirt covering his chest/upper right arm would have filtered out the stippling/GSR, and the trajectory is slightly upward, bullet #6,7 is most likely to have been the one fired by Wilson at the window while sitting in his seat slightly lower than Brown was at the time.


    Its a false statement to say that (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by leftwig on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 10:32:57 PM EST
    Browns t-shirt would have filtered out GSR and stippling.  Thick clothing or multiple layers certainly could affect it, but to make a blanket statement that a t-shirt would necessarily prevent it is easily demonstrated to be false.  Trayvon MArtin was shot through his tshirt and stippling occurred and helped determine the distance the skin was from the gun barrel.


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    Baden PC (none / 0) (#168)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 05:21:25 AM EST
    Its a false statement to say that Browns t-shirt would have filtered out GSR and stippling.

    You will have to take that up with Dr Baden. He said it during the autopsy when they were discussing how close any of the shots could have been. He said that he didn't have the clothes so he couldn't say.

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    I feel for you Uncle Chip. (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 11:33:48 PM EST
    As you very well know from the autopsy, GSR was, absolutely, found in the #11 thumb gunshot wound. This is explained as being because the gun was so close to the thumb at the time it was fired.

    iow, the thumb wound is the initial wound caused "by Wilson at the window."

    And that it is likely that one or more of the other wounds on Brown's right arm were caused by that same bullet after it impacted Brown's thumb.  

    The wounds caused by "bullet #6,7" (as you call it) is good a guess as anybody's.

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    No GSR (none / 0) (#169)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 05:38:01 AM EST
    This is explained as being because the gun was so close to the thumb at the time it was fired.

    Explained by whom??? Someone 3000 miles away who only read the autopsy report -- the same one we all read that doesn't say that at all.

    When another pathologist was asked about that yesterday he refused to comment saying that there is no way to conclude that as it is beyond the scope of an autopsy.

    If it was that close to the bare skin of the hand then why is there no GSR on the hand??? and no stippling either???

    The stuff in the wound could have gotten there by grabbing the shirt with GSR on it after he had been shot -- just as the report said that Wilson said happened in the news yesterday.

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    You are too funny. (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:06:28 AM EST
    GSR was found in the thumb wound.

    You can tell us it got there from him grabbing his shirt but you would come across as a tad kooky if you did.

    According to Michael A. Graham, M.D., Chief Medical Examiner, St. Louis, who is not involved in the case:  

    "Sometimes when it's [the gun is] really close [to the bullet impact point], such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke."
    My []'s.

    You're not wrong on everything you write, but you are wrong on this one.


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    Try the St. Louis County ME (none / 0) (#175)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:29:47 AM EST
    I posted his comments yesterday.  Go look them up.

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    She is not the St Louis County ME (none / 0) (#196)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:17:39 AM EST
    She is from San Francisco and her opinion was debunked by another pathologist on the radio yesterday saying that her conclusions can't be reached through an autopsy, leaked or not, and by my answer to your post here ------

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    And this kids (none / 0) (#176)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:30:54 AM EST
    Is why it's not good to rely on just one news source.

    Pew study finds Rush Limbaugh least trustworthy news source

    PunditFact is tracking the accuracy of claims made on the five major networks using our network scorecards. By that measure, 61 percent of the claims fact-checked on Fox News have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire, the most among any of the major networks.

    As for the rest:

    • 45 percent of the claims made on NBC and MSNBC rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
    • 38 percent of the claims made on CBS rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
    • 36 percent of the claims made on ABC rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;
    • 22 percent of the claims made on CNN rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire.

    For the record, 82 percent of the claims we've checked from Limbaugh have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire.


    And who fact checks the fact checkers? (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 08:48:03 AM EST
    I'll take Politifact for $100, Alex (none / 0) (#179)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:11:38 AM EST
    And more of course (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:16:54 AM EST
    Bob Somerby always has a good trove of instances where Maddow and other MSNBC hacks make stuff up.

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    Somersault and his obsession with Rachel Maddow (none / 0) (#182)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:28:27 AM EST
    reached new levels of derp last year:

    Sadly, [Rachel Maddow]'s making the liberal world dumber--as she stuffs those millions of dollars down her self-confident pants.



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    I think Rachel (none / 0) (#184)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:30:45 AM EST
    loves being a target.  I would.

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    Bob's college roommate once appeared (none / 0) (#185)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:40:25 AM EST
    on her show, I'll defer to his judgement over that of Mr.  Somersbys' any day of the week.

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    He's right. (none / 0) (#200)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:23:36 AM EST
    Where's the problem?

    I see by her biggest cheerleaders that his point was proven.

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    You are welcome to it (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:23:18 AM EST
    the only thing I like about the original comment, since I have thought Politifact was completely FOS for a long time, is that they give the best scores to CNN.
    I like this not because I believe it, it's laughable, but because that means lot of people, especially retirees, with lots of time time to call DIsh Network and complain that they are now being forced to watch MSNBC - a brilliant tactical move IMO by Dish Network - on the channel where CNN used to be, will bug the krap everyone.
    And so I will get Turner Classic Movies back.

    Very smart to start showing MSNBC instead of CNN.  The last thing CNN wants is more exposure for MSNBC

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    So You Are Pro CNN... (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:44:11 AM EST
    ...until you get TCM back.  I love it.

    Here is another thing to add to your repertoire, CNN 10 lists.  
    Good example.

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    HA! (none / 0) (#187)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 09:58:41 AM EST
    Things US Does Well #8. eating

    They know their audience.

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    Of course (none / 0) (#188)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:03:38 AM EST
    Since I was quoting a Pew study, Maddow's ranting about Politifact is again, more useless drivel from her.

    And I'll stay with this:

    45 percent of the claims made on NBC and MSNBC rate Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire;


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    And you proved my point brilliantly (none / 0) (#190)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:07:00 AM EST
    People need to get information from more than once source.

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    Indeed they do (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:08:12 AM EST
    Fact-checking pundits | PunditFact - PolitiFact
    www.politifact.com/punditfact/
    PunditFact is a project of the Tampa Bay Times and the Poynter Institute, dedicated to checking the accuracy of claims by pundits, columnists, bloggers, political ...
    ‎The PunditFact Truth-O-Meter - ‎People - ‎FOX - ‎Rachel Maddow


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    You realize (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:09:30 AM EST
    the reason they made up a new name is because the old one had become a punchline?

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    Your point...? (none / 0) (#198)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:21:33 AM EST
    Since 45% of what is on NBC or MSNBC is somewhat false to mostly false - how does that change the equation?

    Since Rachel Maddow has had more than her fair share of lies that she's been called out on, her opinion really means jack to anyone but the .2% of population that watches her (which includes anyone over the age of 2, which is sometimes the maturity level of the host and guests).

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    Seriously? (none / 0) (#203)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:29:18 AM EST
    how does it "change the equation" that the persons making the  evaluation have themselves been stripped of any shred of credibility?

    Seriously?

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    In case we missed this part (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:15:13 AM EST
    Pew study finds Rush Limbaugh least trustworthy news source

    PunditFact is tracking the accuracy of claims made on the five major networks using our network scorecards. By that measure, 61 percent of the claims fact-checked on Fox News have been rated Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire, the most among any of the major networks.



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    Here's a video from Rachel (none / 0) (#193)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:12:55 AM EST
    where she calls out Politifact on their inaccuracy.

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    Politifact (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:17:48 AM EST
    Maddow's audience (none / 0) (#199)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:22:42 AM EST
    is a joke.

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    Opinions (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:26:29 AM EST
    are like a$$holes.  Everybody's got one.

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    It's the self-confident pants (none / 0) (#205)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 at 10:47:33 AM EST
    That draws them in, according to Sideshow Bob.

     If her viewers are a joke, his readers are the cast of "The Producers".