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    Boston Tea Party redux. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 07:37:18 AM EST
    To protect their customers' data from federal authorities, two companies shut down their email services.

    From the NYTimes:

    Lavabit, a Texas-based service that was reportedly used by Edward J. Snowden, the leaker who had worked as a National Security Agency contractor, announced the suspension of its service Thursday afternoon. In a blog post, the company's owner, Ladar Levison, suggested -- though did not say explicitly -- that he had received a secret search order, and was choosing to shut the service to avoid being "complicit in crimes against the American people."

    Within hours, a fast-growing Maryland-based start-up called Silent Circle also closed its e-mail service and destroyed its e-mail servers. The company said it saw the writing on the wall...


    Get your three-cornered hats out of mothballs folks.

    obama has taken to (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 07:55:45 AM EST
    publicly whining now that nobody understands him.

    He condescends now
    that he "used to have his doubts about the surveillance program...but that was back when he was a senator and didn't understand. He could see why people have doubts of their own" and that if people were only as smart as he is they'd understand that he just wants to keep an eye on them, see everything they do and hear everything they say, so he can protect them form that big bad nasty world outside. Kind of a god complex.

    Years before anyone had ever heard of him The Band did a song about him...


    It makes no difference how far I go
    Like a scar, the hurt will always show
    And it makes no difference who I meet
    They're just a face in the crowd on a dead-end street

    And the sun don't shine anymore
    And the rains fall down on my door
    [...]
    Without your love, I'm nothing at all
    Like an empty hall, it's a lonely fall
    Since you've gone it's a losing battle
    Stampeding cattle, they rattle the walls

    And the sun don't shine anymore
    And the rains fall down on my door



    The real message he delivered, and the (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 09:42:45 AM EST
    real goal he has isn't that we have these programs - the problem is we need to find a way to make the American people more comfortable with them.

    From Foreign Policy (which requires a subscription), Marcy Wheeler brings us Shane Harris:

    And the President's message really boiled down to this: It's more important to persuade people surveillance is useful and legal than to make structural changes to the programs.

    "The question is, how do I make the American people more comfortable?" Obama said.

    Not that Obama's unwilling to make any changes to America's surveillance driftnets -- and he detailed a few of them -- but his overriding concern was that people didn't believe him when he said there was nothing to fear.

    As to Obama's conversion, we're supposed to realize that if Obama, who was a Senator after all - and we know how smart they are - had doubts, but now, as president, he doesn't, shouldn't we all stop hyperventilating and trust the smart people that they know what they're doing?

    It is to vomit, really.

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    When (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 10:39:55 AM EST
    Obama refers to his tenure in the Senate, all I am reminded of is his  two lackluster years in the Senate - distinguished by his artful dodging of controversial issues.

    It is to vomit, really.


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    Obama (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by chrisvee on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 11:15:11 AM EST
    Is figuring out how the govt can simmer us frogs for a while until they boil us.

    It is sickening.

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    A tech with his finger (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 09:19:59 AM EST
    more on the pulse of public opinion than the president.

    Mike Masnick, founder and CEO of Floor64 and editor of the Techdirt blog, in his comments Friday on obama's presser states the obvious that obama and his apologists appear incapable of grasping:

    "[obama's] comments represent a fundamental misunderstanding of why the public doesn't trust the government. That's because he keeps insisting that the program isn't being abused and that all of this collection is legal. But, really, that's not what the concern is about. Even though we actually know that the NSA has a history of abuse (and other parts of the intelligence community before that), a major concern is that scooping up so much data is considered legal in the first place."

    -- Obama's Response To NSA Was To Appease The Public, Not Reduce The Spying

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 94 (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Dadler on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 09:24:03 AM EST
    Their counselor gave them both failing grades, and then he resigned. (link)

    Vol. 93
    Vol. 92

    Have a great Saturday, my friends. Probably be lucky if the sun shines here. Oh well.

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY (a free comic a day, at least for now)

    P.S.) Here's some Get Happy Now music from a little group called Caravan Palace. Great performance, so full of life. Move your feet. (LINK)

    Dadler, your comics (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 01:52:15 PM EST
    really make me laugh.  I don't know what this says about either of us, except that I guess we both have twisted senses of humor.  (I mean, I always liked cartoonists such as Charles Addams and Gary Larson.)
    Keep up the good work!

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    Thanks, Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 06:02:20 PM EST
    I just do them to entertain myself and keep myself from going crazy.

    No biggie.

    Ahem.

    ;-)

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    The one thing from yesterday's press conference (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 10:29:37 AM EST
    that I can't imagine any previous President saying, or any current Republican politician for that matter, was Obama's comment about people questioning boycotting the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics over Russia's anti-gay legislation.

    I know that one question that's been raised is, how do we approach the Olympics? I want to just make very clear right now, I do not think it's appropriate to boycott the Olympics. We've got a bunch of Americans out there who are training hard, who are doing everything they can to succeed. Nobody's more offended than me by some of the anti-gay and lesbian legislation that you've been seeing in Russia...

    And one of the things I'm really looking forward to is maybe some gay and lesbian athletes bringing home the gold or silver or bronze, which I think would go a long way in rejecting the kind of attitudes that we're seeing there. And if Russia doesn't have gay or lesbian athletes, then that would probably make their team weaker.



    Please excuse me, (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 10:52:01 AM EST
    if I happen to believe that this particular quote:
    Nobody's more offended than me by some of the anti-gay and lesbian legislation that you've been seeing in Russia...

    is a bunch of boooolsh-t.

    "Nobody" is more offended by "some" of the anti-gay and lesbian legislation? Is the rest OK with the man? He is so used to parsing his words that he doesn't seem to know where he is or what he is saying.

    It took him five years to "evolve" to the point where his "religious" upbringing wasn't offended by the notion that gay people have the same right to marry as everyone else. And now, he's the most offended? As Anne says below, it is to vomit.

    Pure demagoguery.

    it is too bad that Obama has squandered practically all of his credibility. He was in a position to do some good in the world.

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    Obama had no religious (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 09:40:16 AM EST
    "upbringing."

    You over-analyze his comments about no one being more offended.  It was just a figure speech about being offended.  He was as offended as those who were highly offended.

    Obama has a very good record on gay rights.

    You reach too far in your criticism.

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    Yeah, seems to me we worked over his (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 09:48:48 AM EST
    tendency to use the phrase 'nobody is more.......than I.....' pretty well five years ago.  I'm done reading things into it.

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    I'd like to welcome you back (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:06:15 AM EST
    Your table missed you.

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#12)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:18:26 AM EST
    I missed my table too.

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    Yours (none / 0) (#13)
    by lentinel on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:19:47 AM EST
    is not a particularly considered response, but

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    A lot of what Obama says seems, on (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Anne on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 12:12:53 PM EST
    first pass, to be eminently laudable, but then one listens or reads it a second time, and maybe a third, and then, I don't know, it kind of falls apart.

    Okay, so, mentioning that we have "a bunch of Americans out there" was a good start, and he could have really nailed the landing if only he hadn't veered off course.  

    What am I talking about?

    The Olympics isn't about sexual orientation, it's about athletic competition organized around delegations from the world's countries.  And that's the point that needed to be emphasized.

    Further, no one's offended more than he is?  Really?  Why would that be, and is his superior grade of offense supposed to mean more than anyone else's?  And is it that he isn't offended by some of the legislation, or that he isn't claiming to be the most offended by some of it?  I don't know, does Obama take a back seat to anyone in the who-is-most-offended sweepstakes?

    What I would hope he was looking forward to is not "maybe some gay and lesbian athletes bringing home the gold or silver or bronze," because that would kind of require that our gay and lesbian athletes all wear some kind of identifying badge or patch so we'd all know their orientation - and further make it about something other than athletic competition.  Why does it have to matter that anyone is or isn't gay?  If I'm an athlete, I want to be recognized for my athletic ability, not my sexual orientation, which has nothing to do with it.

    Unless you're Obama, who, in that last bit, that "if Russia doesn't have gay or lesbian athletes, then that would probably make their team weaker" - could kind of seem to be saying that it does.  And if that's not what he meant, what the heck did he mean?    

    No, I think he's trying to sound strong in this area, but he just really doesn't get it.

    I can give him points for meaning well, but this is just another in a long list of comments that have you nodding your head in agreement, and then you have one of those, "wait - what?" moments.

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    It was probably a nod to history (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Politalkix on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 12:25:44 PM EST
    more than you realize, Anne!
    There was a wonderful athlete named Jesse Owens who participated in the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, during the Nazi years. The rest is history....
    link

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    And then there were (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Zorba on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 02:13:11 PM EST
    Marty Glickman and Sam Stoller, in that same Olympics.

    The event I was supposed to run, the 400-meter relay, was one of the last events in the track and field program. The morning of the day we were supposed to run in the trial heats, we were called into a meeting, the 7 sprinters were, along with Dean Cromwell, the assistant track coach, and Lawson Robertson, the head track coach. Robertson announced to the 7 of us that he had heard very strong rumors that the Germans were saving their best sprinters, hiding them, to upset the American team in the 400-meter relay. Consequently, Sam Stoller and I were to be replaced by Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalfe.

    We were shocked. Sam was completely stunned. He didn't say a word in the meeting. I was a brash 18-year-old kid and I said "Coach, you can't hide world-class sprinters." At which point, Jesse spoke up and said "Coach, I've won my 3 gold medals [the 100, the 200, and the long jump]. I'm tired. I've had it. Let Marty and Sam run, they deserve it," said Jesse. And Cromwell pointed his finger at him and said "You'll do as you're told." And in those days, Black athletes did as they were told, and Jesse was quiet after that.

    Watching the final the following day, I see Metcalfe passing runners down the back stretch, he ran the second leg, and [I thought] "that should be me out there. That should be me. That's me out there." I as an 18-year-old, just out of my freshman year, I vowed that come 1940 I'd win it all. I'd win the 100, the 200, I'd run on the relay. I was going to be 22 in 1940. I was a good athlete, I knew that, and 4 years hence I was going to be out there again. Of course, 1940 never came. There was a war on. 1944 never came.

    (Emphasis mine)

    Link.

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    So who are you blaming (none / 0) (#48)
    by Politalkix on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 11:20:06 AM EST
    for the Glickman and Stoller saga? Coaches Cromwell and Robertson or Brundage or FDR? Or are you blaming Owens and Metcalfe. I would really like to know.

    The coaches had always insisted that they wanted to put the fastest team available. Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalfe were the best sprinters in the team. They had finished 1 and 2 respectively in the individual 100m event in the same Olympics. Draper and Wykoff had finished with faster times than Stoller and Glickman in the Olympic trials but it seems that Stoller had done better than Draper during a team practice heat.

    The Owens-Metcalfe-Draper-Wykoff team did win the relay event with a new Olympic record time that stood for the next 20 years.

    Your post goes against Anne's post where she opines that athletes should be considered on the basis of pure athletic ability basis. I would have preferred a relay team of Owens, Metcalfe, Stoller and  Glickman but then one had to factor in other considerations than pure athletic ability because the differences between Draper, Wykoff, Stoller and Glickman were marginal at best.

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    Glickman (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 01:30:20 PM EST
    believed that he was benched because of anti-Semitism.

    Glickman has said that Coach Dean Cromwell and Avery Brundage were motivated by antisemitism and the desire to spare the Führer the embarrassing sight of two American Jews on the winning podium.

    I tend to believe him.

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    Glickman thought it was (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 01:34:10 PM EST
    motivated by antisemitism on the part of the coach and Avery Brundage, although Stoller did not think so.
    OTOH, it was well-known at the time that Brundage, if not an actual antisemite, was certainly, how shall I put this in its most "positive" light (ahem), naive about the Nazis.

    Brundage, the president of the American Olympic Committee, opposed a boycott of the 1936 "Nazi Olympics," asserting, against all evidence, that the Nazis would treat Jews fairly in trying to qualify for the German Olympic team.

    Brundage shamelessly said, "I have not heard of anything to indicate discrimination of any race or religion" in Germany. He warned that "certain Jews must now understand that they cannot use these Games as a weapon in their boycott against the Nazis," alleged a conspiracy of Communists and Jews to organize a boycott and, even after the Games, said the Nazi showcase had contributed to "international peace and harmony."

    In the meantime, the Nazis were already building (and filling) concentration camps, prohibiting Jews from competing in sports (two token Jews were named to the Olympic team), planning to use the 1936 Games as an elaborate display of Aryan superiority, and plotting their takeover of Europe.

    ESPN Page 2.

    I believe that the coach and assistant coach certainly knew about Brundage's feelings.  I certainly don't blame Owens and Metcalfe.  Owens wanted Glickman and Stoller to compete.  I blame a combination of things.  But I also believe that Brundage never exactly covered himself with glory about the entire 1936 Olympics.

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    Relay teams (none / 0) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 02:17:11 PM EST
    are never etched in stone. The teams have been put together the night before the finals as far back as I can remember. It's why medals now go to anyone that competed in the heats even if they don't compete in the finals if their country reaches the medal stand.

    In the 2012 Summer Olympics, 6 USA members received silver medals in the 4X100 relay. 5 USA members received gold medals in the 4X400. Coaches always go with their best athletes in the medal round.

    The best runners are rarely used during the heats when a nation knows they will advance with their lesser runners. They save the legs of the superstars until the medal is on the line. Even Usain Bolt sits on the sidelines during the relay heats for Jamaica.

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    Glad to hear that (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 02:41:29 PM EST
    you were alive and old enough to remember the 1936 Olympics.  I congratulate you on your longevity.  ;-)
    And that all may well have played a part in the decision.  But when your star athlete tells you that he was "tired" and that he had "had it," you have to wonder at the motivations of the coaches.

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    Coaches have one motivation (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:09:52 PM EST
    WIN!!!

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    But there is another motivation (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:32:58 PM EST
    And that is to please the "powers that be."  Because if you do not, you won't be a coach very long.
    The 1936 Olympics were way, way more complicated than "The coach just wants to win!"
    Unless you think that those coaches were single-minded enough to focus only on the race, while being totally unaware of the entire milieu.  I don't think that they were that stupid.
    I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
    YMMV.

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    Slam (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:02:33 AM EST
    While, in my view, out-of-control (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:10:00 PM EST
    surveillance does not equate with dirty dinnerware,  I do agree with President Obama's inexact metaphor that trusting NSA programs is like him doing the dishes--he may have to show Michelle that he did them properly before she will trust him.  

    And, it is encouraging that he is calling for spying "reforms" despite his telling a late-night comedian that "there is no spying on Americans."   However, it will take more than a good speech and some tweaking around the edges to assure me that the government has done its kitchen chores properly.  We may want a government that listens to all Americans, but not in the way it seems to be doing.  

    Moreover, it seems curious that the president's recognition of the need for "reform" to any extent has caused ire at Edward Snowden's leaks at such a disproportionate level so as to jeopardize international relations.  

    Opposition to a boycott of the Olympics does not seem to be modeled well by the president's own boycott of a private meeting with Putin two days after a group meeting with him.  Russia is more than Putin and, certainly, more than Snowden.  The relationships are critical--we are on pins and needles that Iran might get a nuclear weapon; we are concerned that North Korea has prematurely exploding missiles, but we seem to overlook that Russia has over 1500 decaying nuclear weapons.

    True, the current climate has the added complication of Russia's anti-gay laws, but,  in my opinion, a more effective strategy would be for the president to confront Putin directly and relay the serious impact of such legislation not only on the Olympics but also, on future relations.

    This doesn't seem helpful either: (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:42:30 PM EST
    "I know the press likes to focus on body language, and he's  [Putin] got that kind of slouch, looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. But the truth is that when we're in conversations together, oftentimes it's very productive," Obama said.
    . [Reuters.]

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    Yes, I wondered about that (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:53:02 PM EST
    line when I heard it, too.   The first part (...(bored kid... ) was lame if it was intended to be a jab at the press; and the later part (when in conversation together, oftentimes it's very productive..) argued for, not against,  a private meeting with Putin.

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    Candidate Obama oromised he'd meet face-to-face (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:56:42 PM EST
    with any head-of-state.

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    Who has he refused thus far? (none / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 02:13:10 PM EST
    Has had several with Putin already and once already this year.

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    Kerry and Hagel (none / 0) (#29)
    by Politalkix on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 02:26:57 PM EST
    are still meeting their Russian counterparts.
    link

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    Kabuki. (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 05:21:12 PM EST
    How much of politics isn't kabuki? (none / 0) (#42)
    by Thanin on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:59:15 AM EST
    Following his imperial patheticness's (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 02:15:00 PM EST
    self-debasing excuse for a press conference on Friday, Micheal Masnick over at TechDirt deconstructs and un-discombobulates the NSA's own lame attempts at self-justification, and comes up with, among a variety of other jewels that will make you want to go whack your forehead against the doorjamb for awhile, these amazing examples of fertilizer...
    We strive to achieve [our mandate] through a system that is carefully designed to be consistent with Authorities and Controls and enabled by capabilities that allow us to Collect, Analyze, and Report intelligence needed to protect national security.
    As always, the NSA goes back to its authority rather than what it's actually doing and what its abilities are.
    This process will often involve the collection of communications metadata -- data that helps NSA understand where to find valid foreign intelligence information needed to protect U.S. national security interests in a large and complicated global network. For instance, the collection of overseas communications metadata associated with telephone calls -- such as the telephone numbers, and time and duration of calls -- allows NSA to map communications between terrorists and their associates.
    Well, yes, and also map out communications between everyone else. But, here's where the NSA has some fun. They claim that collecting all that metadata is actually good for American's privacy because by using it to map out networks among real terrorists it means they don't actually go after your stuff:
    This strategy helps ensure that NSA's collection of communications content is more precisely focused on only those targets necessary to respond to identified foreign intelligence requirements.
    Did you catch that? They only spy on all of us so they know how to avoid spying on all of us.
    Hold your nose and read it all here...
    NSA Tries To Justify Its Surveillance Programs With Ridiculous Assertions

    Guess there is honor among thieves (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 06:32:07 PM EST
    Burglars Return Stolen Computers To Nonprofit With Heartfelt Apology Note

    When burglars in San Bernardino County, Calif., realized the computers they'd stolen were from a nonprofit that helps victims of sexual violence, they returned them -- along with an apology note that may restore your faith in humanity.
    ....
    All my stuff was in front of the door," she told the station. "There was a shopping cart, and there were the PCs that were taken, there was the laptop. Everything was there."

    In that laptop, an investigator discovered the note. It read:

    We had no idea what we were takeing [sic]. Here your stuff back. We hope that you guys can continue to make a difference in peoples [sic] live. God bless.


    Juan Cole, August 6. (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Edger on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 09:30:14 PM EST
    Top Ten Things that don't Make Sense about NSA Surveillance, Drones and al-Qaeda

    Here's # 1. Click the link to read all 10 - it's worth it...

    1. The government says that they need everyone's phone records because they want to see who calls known overseas terrorists from the US. But if the NSA had a telephone number of a terrorist abroad and wanted to see if it was called from the US, why couldn't it just ask the telephone company for the record of everyone who called it? It isn't true that it would take too much time. It would be instant. Obviously, the government wants the telephone records of millions of Americans for some other reason.


    RIP, Eydie Gormé (1928-2013). (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 10:23:13 PM EST
    According to the family's publicist, the legendary nightclub chanteuse died in Las Vegas of an undisclosed illness, with her husband / partner of 56 years, Steve Lawrence, and family at her side.

    A popular singing duo who also displayed an additional flair for comedy, Steve & Eydie were a regular staple of television variety shows throughout the 1950s, '60s and '70s. In later years, as their TV appearances dwindled with the eclipse of the variety show format, they took their show on the road, and proved quite popular on the concert hall circuit with older audience members and baby boomers alike.

    I think a big part of the couple's enduring appeal was that they always showed tremendous affection for one another, were genuinely appreciative of their audiences, and never pretended to be anything other than what they were, which was essentially a good nightclub act. They were certainly not above lampooning their own lounge-act image in self-deprecating fashion, per their 1997 cover of Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" on the offbeat "Lounge-A-Palooza" album.

    Aloha to a very talented pop vocalist -- and a charmingly funny lady, too.

    They were a staple of my childhood (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 03:17:57 PM EST
    My parents had several of their records, and we always watched them on TV.   I haven't listened to them in years, but hearing all the retrospectives this morning - that music sure holds up well.

    Feeling sorry for her family - 84 seems young these days.

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    Was surprised to hear of her death and (none / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 03:39:41 PM EST
    that she was just 84 years old.

    Somehow I always viewed them as in my parents generation when in reality they were somewhere in between the generations.

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    Turns out they are pretty much exactly my (none / 0) (#77)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 06:50:47 PM EST
    parents' age. Of course I never looked at it like that when I was a kid.

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    Edie was about 10 - 11 years younger (none / 0) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 10:33:25 AM EST
    than my mom and about 16 - 17 years older than me. So if I thought about it at all, I would have put her in her 90s and probably thought that she had already gone to the great choir in the sky. ;o)

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    Kudos (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:16:00 AM EST
    to President Obama.

    He turned down the notion, originally pushed by Lindsay Graham, that the US boycott the 2014 Olympic Games as a retaliation for the granting of temporary asylum to Edward Snowden.

    The fact that Putin signed a controversial law essentially outlawing public displays of homosexuality in Russia had added fuel to the fire - although not from the Russian gay and lesbian community which urged the participants to use the games to "speak out, not walk out".

    In turning down the idea of a boycott, Obama correctly talked of the impact a boycott would have on the American women and men who train so diligently for this event.

    It is deeply ironic that at the time that we did boycott in 1980, under the weird Presidency of Jimmy Carter, it was to protest the Soviet presence in Afghanistan.

    Not the Soviet presence... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by unitron on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 12:56:49 PM EST
    ...the Soviet Invasion.

    As in an unprovoked act of war.

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    So true. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by lentinel on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 01:21:17 PM EST
    Much like our own actions in Iraq.

    The strange irony is that the Soviets did not withdraw for a decade.
    And now, having learned nothing from the Soviet experience, we have been floundering around there for over a decade - and the finish line keeps being moved further away.

    To return to my main subject, imo the boycott of 1980 achieved nothing but the destruction of the dreams of American athletes who had trained for years to participate in the Olympic Games.
    I'm glad that, for the moment at least, Obama is not going to repeat what Carter did.

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    heh! (5.00 / 6) (#43)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:33:05 AM EST
    Unhappy with the terms of an unsolicited credit card offer he received from online bank Tinkoff Credit Systems, Agarkov scanned the document, wrote in his own terms and sent it through. The bank approved the contract without reading the amended fine print, unwittingly agreeing to a 0 percent interest rate, unlimited credit and no fees, as well as a stipulation that the bank pay steep fines for changing or canceling the contract.

    Agarkov used the card for two years, but the bank ultimately canceled it and sued Agarkov for $1,363. The bank said he owed them charges, interest and late-payment fees. A court ruled that, because of the no-fee, no-interest stipulation Agarkov had written in, he owed only his unpaid $575 balance. Now Agarkov is suing the bank for $727,000 for not honoring the contract's terms, and the bank is hollering fraud

    Guy does to bank what banks usually do to other people

    To play on John Mellencamp - That Ain't America!

    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 95 (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 11:25:16 AM EST
    A steaming cup of Joe in Cougartown. (link)

    And links to all of last week's comics, in case you missed any.

    Vol. 94
    Vol. 93
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    Happy Sunday, my friends. Now get yourself to the church...of the poisoned minds.

    Leaked last Wednesday (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:21:13 PM EST
    "The crucial intercept that prompted the U.S. government to close embassies in 22 countries was a conference call between al Qaeda's senior leaders and representatives of several of the group's affiliates throughout the region.

    The intercept provided the U.S. intelligence community with a rare glimpse into how al Qaeda's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, manages a global organization that includes affiliates in Africa, the Middle East, and southwest and southeast Asia."*

    Three government officials leaked some very serious information to The Daily Beast about a massive conference call between al Qaeda leaders all over the world. This information is very sensitive, and effectively burns a crucial intelligence resource for us (at the very least), so why doesn't the Obama administration care? Why are Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning being hounded and punished for far less sensitive information? Cenk Uygur breaks down the ridiculous double standard.

    This was serious stuff. So to be on the safe side, to err on the side of caution as it were, to justify the existence of the massive ubiquitous global spying apparatus directed at monitoring YOU, the obama administration closed US embassies all over the middle east.

    For the weekend.

    Can't stand the Young Turks... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Visteo1 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 10:08:55 PM EST
    Will McCants tweets

    In light of Snowden leaks, Zawahiri is either a master manipulator or the world's worst terror boss.

    J.M.Berger tweets

    I'm flabbergasted that these guys thought they could do a conference call like this without it being intercepted.


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    Personally (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 10:15:13 PM EST
    I'm flabbergasted that anyone actually believes that the white house and the nsa didn't make up the story out of thin air.

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    Yeah. I don't know if you put yourself (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 01:17:31 PM EST
    through the agony of the Sunday shows, but it was pretty funny watching Hayden yesterday assuring us the system was never abused. Who the heck believes anything they say? We have no way to verify, and if it were not true, they would still say it was.

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    I'm not flabbergasted (none / 0) (#88)
    by Visteo1 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 11:14:05 AM EST
    most of the media has failed to pick this up.  I just want to know why.  

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    One hour six minutes till.... (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 06:55:04 PM EST
    Breaking Bad!!

    Not that I am counting or anything.

    The locks have been changed (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:10:29 AM EST
    On Filner.  Made me chuckle.  This is the best way to deal with an abusive man who refuses to understand his stay is over.  He has responded typically, by dropping his current responsibilities immediately and showing up at the door.

    What a revolting state of affairs! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 08:47:56 PM EST
    At some point, if Mayor Filner doesn't get the hint, I would hope that San Diego voters take it upon themselves to recall him from office.

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    What defense attorney would jump at taking a case (none / 0) (#14)
    by Coral Gables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:20:35 AM EST
    where a husband shoots his wife and posts a picture of her body on Facebook before he turns himself in.

    The kicker of course, he's the author of a small online book titled, "How I Saved Someone's Life and Marriage and Family Problems Thru Communication"

    Wow (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:25:05 PM EST
    We watched the news story this morning.  And he was having facebook conversations after he posted the photo.  Had no idea he wrote a book on communication.  We thought that he should have taken a photo when he had the gun, and I guess she had the knife, and then have some conversations with some other individuals.  That could have been beneficial.

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    Did TL just have a meltdown? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Coral Gables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:25:43 AM EST
    every comment on every thread is now listed as new on my screen.

    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    Thats just how the cookie crumbles?

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    And now almost all back to normal (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:40:35 AM EST
    I'm having the more (none / 0) (#39)
    by sj on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:54:02 PM EST
    common problem. No comments were listed as new. Now they are but none of them on this thread.

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    Eff.org has an interesting (none / 0) (#21)
    by Visteo1 on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 01:15:33 PM EST
    article, that points out "Obama's 4 Commitments - And What's Missing".

    I am not fond of the President's "maybe"s.  Taking the human element out of the equation is the answer.  Just do it...

    ...maybe we can embed technologies in there that prevent the snooping regardless of what government wants to do. I mean, there may be some technological fixes that provide another layer of assurance.


    I have to wonder (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 08:58:55 PM EST
    if anybody with something to hide isn't already two steps ahead of current practices.

    Or does the government have a net out designed to catch a certain sized fish?

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    the book I am reading is (none / 0) (#30)
    by the capstan on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 03:07:39 PM EST
    The Man by Irving Wallace, published in 1964.  I confess that at this moment I cannot help viewing remarks about Obama's failings in the light of the fictional reaction to Wallace's President Douglass Dilman.  I follow the progressive, not the libertarian nor conservative banner, as always--but I wonder about the poisonous prejudice shown by citizens and officials alike in this book that leaves me so angry.  Does the poison today run only in the veins of the 'entitled,' or can traces of it be found in the blood of ordinary folk like me.  I am unsettled.

    Belleville pub sign (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 08:46:45 PM EST
    Dianne Rogge put a sign inside the window of her pub "No TIF for US; Tks B'Ville," griping about denial of redevelopment funds because she supported the Mayor's opponent in the last election. City is fining her $500/day for not removing the sign claiming all political signs require approval and paying some permit fee.

    Wonder how its going to go, sign ordinance vs political free speech.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/8/illinois-pub-owner-city-im-not-paying-31k-fine-pol/

    Clear First Amendment violation (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Peter G on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 11:27:24 PM EST
    No permit can be required. Call the local ACLU office.

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    Jeralyn would ask you to ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 03:13:09 AM EST
    ... please use the "Link" button -- it's the third icon from the right above the comment box -- and not post URLs directly into your post because they tend to skew the appearance of the site. She can't edit your comment, and can only delete it.

    To hyperlink your article, simply copy the URL of the article you wish to link, then:

    • Highlight the text of your post that you want to use as the hyperlink;
    • Click on the "Link" icon above the comment box;
    • Paste the URL inside the box that appears; and
    • Click "OK."

    The URL will then appear inside HTML formatting within the comment box. Once you see that, you can click "Preview" to see how your comment will appear once it's posted. If you're satisfied, then post your comment, and readers will be able to reference your article by clicking on the highlighted text in your post.

    Ideally, your comment with the hyperlinked Washington Times article would appear as follows (which I've done for you, just in case Jeralyn needs to delete your post):

    "Belleville pub sign (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mikado Cat on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 08:46:45 PM EST

    "Dianne Rogge put a sign inside the window of her pub "No TIF for US; Tks B'Ville," griping about denial of redevelopment funds because she supported the Mayor's opponent in the last election. City is fining her $500/day for not removing the sign claiming all political signs require approval and paying some permit fee.

    "Wonder how its going to go, sign ordinance vs political free speech."

    Once you do it a few times, hyperlinking will become second nature to you.

    Aloha.

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    Hypered (none / 0) (#66)
    by Mikado Cat on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:26:55 PM EST
    I did hyperlink, just didn't change the text from the article link. I like to know where it is before I click a link, so I usually leave the text as the link. Is the preference here to hide the link and give it a description?

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    For some reason, a long URL will not ... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:47:21 PM EST
    ... always wrap-around in the right-hand margins, i.e., continues to the right and can even go offscreen, if long enough. This can skew the TL site to the left of the screen, which forces her to delete your post because she cannot edit your comment accordingly. That's why she's asked us to use HTML formatting to hyperlink the URL.

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    ESPN's boss glows from ear to ear (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 10:59:56 AM EST
    When discussing his Nate Silver get.  He becomes a bit subdued when Keith Olbermann is brought up.  He says he is interested in new unique smart talent.  Perhaps those of us who would prefer someone other than Olbermann should send him a BTD suggestion.

    He brings a unique law perspective as well as sports and he is provocative enough that he got thrown off some platforms....and then reinstated.  Keith Olbermann can upset more people who never want to hear from him ever ever ever again, that's true, I think I'll bring that up.

    I was a Keith Olbermann (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 02:33:09 PM EST
    fan was he was the local sportscaster here in LA.  He had this little routine at the end of his segment were he balled up a piece of paper and tried to shoot it through a little toy basketball hoop....precursor to throwing his papers at the camera...

    He seems to me very bipolar.....Always just this side of totally loosing it.

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    I like Keith Olbermann. (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:12:27 PM EST
    That said, he has certainly demonstrated a real knack over the years for sabotaging his own success, and it finally reached the point where he actually jeopardized his career by rendering himself nearly unemployable. Nobody wants to hire someone who's reputation as an uncompromising d!ck precedes him.

    I never equated his overly taciturn behavior with possible bipolarity, but now that I think about it, that's a reasonable assessment.

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    He only seems to have one speed (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:12:22 PM EST
    And not much inflection, maybe even not much reflection.  He has great presence and stature I suppose, and a great vocabulary.  How he strings together thoughts though and presents points and discussion...bleh.  A few doses was good but too much Olbermann becomes toxic IMO.

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    Remember moustache Olberman? (none / 0) (#75)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:56:39 PM EST
    jaysus this song makes me happy (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 11:58:52 AM EST
    Great stuff!!!! (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 03:14:06 PM EST
    thanks, I needed that!

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    it's the bees knees, baby! (none / 0) (#72)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:26:43 PM EST
    ;-)

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    Its good (none / 0) (#80)
    by Mikado Cat on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 07:29:20 PM EST
    I like a lot of stuff from the swing era, good time music.

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    Electro-swing, baby! (none / 0) (#86)
    by Dadler on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 10:03:58 AM EST
    One of my favorite genres.

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    questions re Obama alleged lying (none / 0) (#55)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 01:43:48 PM EST
    After the Obama press conference re surveillance, there have been allegations that he or members of the administration were or had been lying about the surveillance, and that the lies were exposed by Snowden.  But I am not clearly seeing who told lies and what the lies were and what deceptions there have been.  Is there anyone who thinks the admin has lied and who wishes to list a few of the lies and deceptions, and how we know they are lies?

    Dr. Sanjay Gupta's about-face on marijuana (none / 0) (#60)
    by Magnumto on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 02:43:30 PM EST
    was a pleasant surprise.  It's a little disheartening, though, that he was so against the benefits of medical marijuana BEFORE he conducted his extensive research.  Sort of like it was an off-the-cuff position for him to take, for reasons other than his medical knowledge.  I'm glad he finally saw the light, though, and props to him for his very public outing.

    Leaked this morning (none / 0) (#61)
    by Edger on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 02:55:35 PM EST
    from the secret files of the CIA, the NSA, the FISA Court, and other acronyms you still don't know about...

    For your eyes only...

    Movie recommendation: (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 04:41:15 PM EST
    The Spouse and I saw Woody Allen's "Blue Jasmine" last night.

    Cate Blanchette is simply astonishing as the title character, a snobbish Wall Street wife who loses everything when her husband is convicted of criminal financial chicanery, and whose insufferable pretentions of her former life subsequently collide head-on with the blunt realities of her newly-imposed living situation in working class San Francisco. If she doesn't earn an Oscar nomination for her performance I'll be equally surprised.

    Highly recommended.

    Only playing in ONE theatre in San Franicsco (none / 0) (#74)
    by Dadler on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 05:50:51 PM EST
    If you can believe it, and none in San Mateo County just to the south, where I live. Sheesh. Wider release soon, no doubt, but still...one lousy screen in The City?

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    Great- in that case it will never be in Orlando (none / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 06:53:24 PM EST
    That's surprising, given that ... (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 11:39:08 PM EST
    ... the film's primarily set in San Francisco. We saw Woody Allen shooting this movie up there last summer. This has to be considered one of his better efforts. Everyone's performances were spot on, including Andrew Dice Clay as Blanchette's former brother-in-law.

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    Exactly why I mentioned it (none / 0) (#85)
    by Dadler on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 10:01:53 AM EST
    I can't figure it out. Set in SF, and opens in ONE STINKIN' SCREEN?  Count me as mystified. Mahalo.

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    7 theaters in SoCal (none / 0) (#81)
    by Mikado Cat on Sun Aug 11, 2013 at 07:39:03 PM EST
    None close to me, but while its something I am going to watch, its not going to draw me into a theater to watch it.

    Watching movies has changed, demographics have changed, its kid thing these days and adult drama isn't going to get many to spend $20 for two on a movie.

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