Pre-College Football Open Thread

College pigskin is back!

And tomorrow the inaugural game choices.

Expecting to return to my 60% hit rate!

A little taste tonight - Boise State (-12) over Washington

Mich State (-16) over Western Michigan

Over 71 in the Baylor-SMU game.

Open Thread.

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    Go Gators! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:37:40 PM EST

    Go Gators! (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:40:55 PM EST
    Lets (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 01:47:09 PM EST
    hope they actually have an offense this year.

    They had an offense the last couple years (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:06:07 PM EST
    it just happened to be offensive to watch.

    Uh, go 'Noles! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:19:14 PM EST
    Go, Ducks!!! (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:25:56 PM EST
    Despite all the faux-drama surrounding Vernon Adams' return to his former school, the real drama will be centered on the big O's offense. Can a QB not schooled since freshman year in the ways of the Ducks lead the team to victory after mere weeks of practice with the team?

    I say "Yes!". Go, Ducks!

    TEEEEEBOOOOW!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    Eagles trade Barkley, Tebow gonna make the team.

    One more on Mr Robot (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:59:10 PM EST
    Really good interview with show runner Sam Esmail on Grantland. Some hints for next season...I think we are going to see more of Elliot's backstory and breakdown.

    I really admire his strong commitment to his point of view and wanting to tell the story his way. It is clear everything was planned out and intentional. It is what makes it a stand-out show IMO.

    BTW, Grantland has several good pop culture podcasts if you are into that kind of thing....

    I just decided I'd like to remake Breaking Bad (none / 0) (#28)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:26:58 PM EST
    with Christian Slater and Rami Malek in the lead roles. Just for fun, nothing against Cranston and Paul, both of whom I adore.

    RightWingWatch (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:29:22 PM EST
    literally can't keep up with all weeping and walin and pi$$in and moanin.

    I wonder if they have any idea how much fun reading about them is for me?  If this continues they will literally be setting their hair on fire by Monday

    It is Insane... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:31:21 PM EST
    ...so they not only damaged the republican brand for years, now they are going to do the same the christianity.
    In yet another column defending the Kentucky clerk, Fox News pundit Todd Starnes said that "perhaps one day, students of history will read not only letters from a Birmingham jail, but letters from a Kentucky jail." He even likened Judge David Bunning, the Bush-appointee who held Davis in contempt of court, to Bull Connor.

    Promoting his Tuesday rally in Kentucky defending county clerk Kim Davis, Mike Huckabee told Fox News that the government has been more accommodating to detainees in Guantanamo Bay than Kim Davis.

    On Wednesday, anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis' lawyer Mat Staver, founder of the right-wing legal group Liberty Counsel, compared Davis to a Jew living in Nazi Germany.

    It's no wonder the GOP doesn't care about civil rights and torture, they think it's the equivalent to spending the night in jail.

    I would be nice if just one of them could pretend to have any sense, Jews in Nazi Germany did not get a paycheck while they voluntarily sat in jail.  FOCK.


    Congrats to Kim (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 02:50:45 PM EST
    for showing everybody how ugly fundamentalist Christianity is.

    Honestly, Huckabee should be the GOP nominee. He's defended her, the Duggars and every other nut out there.


    Since the Friday Open just vanished, (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:16:20 PM EST
    here's the comment I just posted there:

    The Ted Cruz statement on Kim Davis made me want to throw something...

    "Today, judicial lawlessness crossed into judicial tyranny. Today, for the first time ever, the government arrested a Christian woman for living according to her faith. This is wrong. This is not America.

    "I stand with Kim Davis. Unequivocally. I stand with every American that the Obama Administration is trying to force to choose between honoring his or her faith or complying with a lawless court opinion.

    "In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts rightly observed that the Court's marriage opinion has nothing to do with the Constitution. Justice Scalia observed that the Court's opinion was so contrary to law that state and local officials would choose to defy it.

    "For every politician -- Democrat and Republican -- who is tut-tutting that Davis must resign, they are defending a hypocritical standard. Where is the call for the mayor of San Francisco to resign for creating a sanctuary city -- resulting in the murder of American citizens by criminal illegal aliens welcomed by his lawlessness?

    "Where is the call for President Obama to resign for ignoring and defying our immigration laws, our welfare reform laws, and even his own Obamacare?

    "When the mayor of San Francisco and President Obama resign, then we can talk about Kim Davis.

    "Those who are persecuting Kim Davis believe that Christians should not serve in public office. That is the consequence of their position. Or, if Christians do serve in public office, they must disregard their religious faith-or be sent to jail.

    "Kim Davis should not be in jail. We are a country founded on Judeo-Christian values, founded by those fleeing religious oppression and seeking a land where we could worship God and live according to our faith, without being imprisoned for doing so.

    "I call upon every Believer, every Constitutionalist, every lover of liberty to stand with Kim Davis. Stop the persecution now."

    If he really believes what he's saying, and isn't just pandering for votes, I'd have to say this man is too stupid to hold any public office, much less the presidency.

    I swear, these people will not be satisfied until we are all living under fundamentalist Christian rule.

    Stand with Kim Davis, my a$$.


    Of the 17 presidential candidates (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:27:42 PM EST
    3 have said they stand with the rule of law.  Carly, Lindsey and interestingly IMO, Donald.

    I have not seen a Kasich statement but who cares.  Jeb, Bobby, Huck (especially Huck, Rand and all the rest are in the same place.

    That says more about the republican base than any one candidate.


    ThinkProgress (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:31:28 PM EST
    And, then there is (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:23:25 PM EST
    Marco Rubio, who says "there should be a way" for Clerk Davis to keep her job even though she refuses to do her job.  And, Ted Cruz, who is a Harvard Law graduate, speaks about "lawless" court decision.  But, then, recalling that the Unabomber also went to Harvard, gives some perspective.

    He (none / 0) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:41:38 PM EST
    is also relatively sensible on the Iran deal Not to mention his stance on raising  taxes on the rich and  "defense" of SS and medicare.

    I can see his appeal to the Reagan Democrats, who are tired of waiting for their trickle down, tired of the moral scolds, tired of having to police the world on our dime while our streets and highways crumble and turn into free fire zones.

    Too bad it has to be delivered smothered in sexism, racism and other assorted crudeness. Too bad those Reagan Democrats won't vote Democratic in any big numbers any time soon.


    Cruz... (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:45:17 PM EST
    Those who are persecuting Kim Davis believe that Christians should not serve in public office.

    Isn't every judge that touched with this case on record as being christian ?  I mean for focks sake, 83% of the country is christian and all but 1 or 2 in Congress are christian, the president, the SCOTUS, all christians.

    Never mind the other clerks throughout the country who are christian and are signing certificates, I am guessing about 83%.

    The idea that christians are being persecuted by the government is just so fricken grating.  The hate filled class is without a dumb being marginalized, exposed, and called out.  

    At least have the decency to call this what it is.

    The good news, every breathe of hot air about poor Mrs Davis is one not used to screech eghazi.


    Gag (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 03:49:27 PM EST
    worthy is correct. Reading about what he said is bad enough. Hearing him actually say things like this makes me cringe.

    Huckabee is just (none / 0) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:16:32 PM EST
    defending another "Muck Dynasty."   Clerk Davis' mother had the job for 27 years before she did, and she has her son as one of her deputies.  And, too, Huckabee is an angry man--still mad that as a teenager he did not pretend to be transgender so he could shower with the girls.   That sure would have cleared out the girls showers in a hurry, me thinks.

    Ha! She is being compared to MLK.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:33:23 PM EST
    Can't wait to read her Letter from a Lexington Jail. Should be a doozy.

    I want to see her in (none / 0) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:48:29 PM EST
    jail house garb.  Only to see her in something more stylish than what we have seen so far. Her Kathy Bates "Misery" is not a good look. Guess she hates gays so much she rejects the  idea of fashion.

    They will have to give her (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:51:52 PM EST
    an Orange moo moo.   She is not allowed to wear pants.



    I asked my former boss about this. (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:57:51 PM EST
    they are notorious for wearing skirts made of blue jeans.   One day I said what's up with that.  She explained that it is their way of "rebelling" since they are not allowed to wear pants.  The make skirts out of pants.

    I am not making this up.

    I was delivering lunches for a senior citizens center and the codgers are infamous for saying what's on their mind.   As you can imagine turning a pair of jeans into a floor length skirt rather limits the length of your stride.  One day I heard an old geezer say,  how do ya run?   What do ya do if somebody's chasin ya?


    Maybe (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:59:40 PM EST
    someone named James Earl Gay will seal the deal....mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

    Reminds me of my favorite family story... (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 07:31:08 PM EST
    The summer of 77 when Ray escaped from jail and was briefly on the lam, my family was moving from Illinois to California, went east first to visit other family, then west...three week road trip in two cars, stopping at every Denny's along the way. My brother filled out every comment card about the service, signing it James Earl Ray, transient.

    So you can't scare me away with bad James earl Ray puns!


    Every Notice... (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    ...how the christian class* never used their beliefs to promote the actual teaching of jesus.  Things like compassion, respect, love, peace, and forgiveness.

    They are either stomping on someone in the name of god or insisting their hate is god's will.

    *By christian class I don't mean the vast majority of christians.  I mean the ones all up in arms today over Davis.

    In reading about this (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:24:04 PM EST
    i recently came across this from the Atlantic.  FWIW I completely agree

    Fundamentalism's failure to encourage genuine, humble and humane faith that can finally come to terms with science and history is critical to this, which is why, increasingly, I think a reform of Christianity is central to preserving the liberal constitutional state. What has replaced real faith is, in fact, a form of neurotic attachment to literalism in Scripture (effectively debunked by scholarship), to authority figures who enforce order, if not coherence, onto otherwise chaotic lives (think Dobson or Ratzinger or Warren), rigid attachment to untruths in human history (as in denial of evolution), or the insistence of maintaining the appearance of Godliness to avoid confronting real human sin (think Ted Haggard or the countless child-abusing priests). None of this helps anyone actually cope with modern life, because it is too opposed to modern life. And so fundamentalism as a coping mechanism in fact  makes it all much worse, as rising rates of dysfunction, family breakdown, illegitimacy, abortion, HIV transmission, and drug abuse in the Christianist states reveal - just as the sexual dysfunction in Islamist societies cripples and immiserates them. If you want to find Ground Zero for this confluence of poverty, isolation, Christianism and meth, take a trip to Wasilla, Alaska, whence the new Esther has emerged.

    The core element of Christianism and Islamism is denial: denial of a diverse world, denial of history, denial of science, denial of secular authority in favor of an ever-more rigid ideology, conveyed directly into the bloodstream through the web or FNC or other propaganda outlets.

    Seems Reasonable... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 04:59:37 PM EST
    ...but I think religion reflects oneself, if you are a hate filled d-bag, then your god is a hate filled d-bag.  None of these clowns, miraculously, never have talk with god in which it tells them they are completely off base.

    With that, they think that because they are unhappy, so is their god, and if they feel like the only way to deal with others is through violence and hate, then the only way their god will accept them is through violence and hate.

    God always seems to tell people to do things that, coincidentally, are the things they want to do, like hate gays, run for President, or invade Iraq.  It never says those people you hate are my creation, so quit the non-sense and treat them with love and respect.

    Anyways, the point I am getting to is religion allows hate filled d-bags to believe that their god is a hate filled douche bag.  So even though I wasn't headed in this direction, it is a coping mechanism of sorts in that they think if they do god's work, which in reality is their own work, they don't have to deal with the reality that they are hate-filled d-bags that no sane being would ever include in some sort of post-life utopia.

    Christ, imagine getting to heaven and bunking with Huckabee, Santorum, and Bin Laden.  An eternity of, "But god said..."


    I don't think heaven is where those (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:15:09 PM EST
    guys are likely going to be hanging out...

    I once told my older brother (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:40:34 PM EST
    who is fundamentalist Church of Christ and who believe only their church members will go to heaven, that if that was in fact true, I would pass.

    None of this is new to me.


    The (none / 0) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 05:57:07 PM EST
    Donald is in negotiations with Satan for Trump Towers Hades. Rumor has it the deal is close to done after Trump agreed to reserve an entire floor for Dick Cheney.

    He will eat Satans lunch (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:00:32 PM EST
    Here she goes again (none / 0) (#27)
    by Politalkix on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:07:39 PM EST
    So (none / 0) (#29)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:28:11 PM EST
    what? Experience vs. rhetoric is an age old tactic used by many politicians when attacking a rival, especially in a primary against someone who is resonating with the base.

    BTW How's that hopey changey thing working out.


    Read (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:34:16 PM EST
    the transcript. I saw the actual interview. If you think that's a dig at Bernie then you need thicker skin.

    Another interpretation (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:30:00 PM EST
    and cautionary note not to take the media bait.   And, in any event it registered, to me, as civil.  

     Not like the Republicans, such as Rick (a stopped clock is right once a day) Perry's Trump is cancer.  Or, Jeb's childish and petulant response to Trump admonishing him to be a role model and not speak Spanish while in the country,-- I'll speak Spanish whenever I like.  No indication if Jeb! was stamping his foot at the time.

    You are such a buzzkill (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:35:14 PM EST
    wont let the h8ters have any fun at all

    It is (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:39:21 PM EST
    just the media trying to cause a fight basically. And they complain about Hillary parsing? Good grief they are parsing and editorializing and everything. She "seemed" is what they say. Good grief.

    The (none / 0) (#38)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:50:41 PM EST
    Clinton Rules are a true force of nature.

    Watching the PBS round table talking about (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:36:48 PM EST
    Hillary and the interview.. Michael Gerson is nuts...still thinks the email server has something to do with state department secure communications servers. Ugh.

    Contagion (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:36:55 PM EST
    for some reason I just got around to seeing the excellent 2011 Soderbergh movie.

    Amazing cast.  Intense film.

    An honest to god horror movie.

    Got around to seeing (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 04, 2015 at 06:54:45 PM EST
    "American Sniper."   Can't recall all the comments and criticisms, but it was presented as quite controversial.  Not to me.  I thought it was a very good movie.  If anything, anti-war, by my lights.  And, Bradley Cooper got robbed. He was great.