Monday Open Thread

Busy day at work today. I blogged a lot this weekend, so scroll down if you haven't read the posts.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

Who is leaving town for the holidays? I'll be right here.

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    I see that the NYT (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 10:18:43 AM EST
    ...has come out in opposition to torture, rape and murder.

    What a courageous stance!

    Next thing you know, they will say robbing banks is a crime.

    Okay, that was a stretch.

    Disagree. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:54:34 PM EST
    The NYT editorial is a courageous stance in that it, at least, is a stance that counters the weak "we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards," with a stronger "we can only move forward by looking backwards."  

    Cynicism is understandable but its deploy only joins up with, and is welcomed by,  apologists who determinedly work to change the name of torture as well as  to change the subject from torture.  

    The NYT, as a important media opinion-maker, has offered a course in which to take the blueprint of the Senate Intelligence Committee executive summary to a criminal inquiry.  Underscored is the fact that the depravities set forth are crimes in federal law and by Senate ratified treaty that requires prosecution of any acts of torture.  

    Many citizens have suspected for years that acts committed in our name was illegal, but the Senate executive summary provides evidence that CIA officials at the time knew that what they intended to do was prohibited by statute and asked not to be prosecuted.  The DOJ refused that request and a way around was found by securing a nano-patina of legality from  careerists, such as Yoo and Bybee.

    The public calling out for criminal investigation is necessary in light of the Senate Intelligence Committee's summary report.  To overlook this closet-full of smoking guns only adds to the damage done in the past and portends even more harm  in the future.  The NYT is not a branch of the DOJ, but its journalistic courage may serve as a billow to what too many want to be left as cooling embers.


    They Want a Special Prosecutor (none / 0) (#11)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 11:53:23 AM EST
    to investigate whether criminal charges can be brought against Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Rizzo, the two Mormon psychologists, etc.  I think just as good a case can be brought against those who authorized drone strikes since they have caused collateral damage to civilians and haven't made the US any safer from Muslim terrorism - they have just caused two terrorists to pop up for every one that has been eliminated.

    Tell you what (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:37:45 PM EST
    Let's apply the principle of FIFO. How about we investigate criminal charges against those who authorized and participated in torture first.

    Once we complete that investigation, we can move on and investigate the use of drones.


    Apples and oranges, Jimmy Rick. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:19:40 PM EST
    Why don't you offer some original thought of your own, rather than mindlessly repeat right-wing talking points?

    Instead of Clichés (none / 0) (#21)
    by RickyJim on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:35:21 PM EST
    Try refuting Hanson's (or my) argument.  By the way, tell me about an original thought you have ever shared with us.

    I call your Drones (none / 0) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:26:51 PM EST
    And raise you an investigation of McCollough and throw in Clive Bundy et al.

    Hopefully I won't even leave (none / 0) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 07:14:04 AM EST
    the key of Lower Matecumbe, in Islamorada, except by boat.  In theory, I could even go to Cuba, on a very calm day.  Hey CG, we could troll across to Cuba and bring the people some Christmas fish, which they rarely get, since Castro doesn't let them have boats.

    Maybe we could get the franchise (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 08:22:36 AM EST
    from Mako and open an outlet (and drydock) in Varadero.

    Scott (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 08:16:49 AM EST
    After you had written Seattle off as possibly missing the playoffs 2 weeks ago, the only likely thing standing in the path of the Seahawks now being at home for the entire playoffs is the lowly St Louis Rams.

    I think more people are now ... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 12:39:13 PM EST
    ... seriously reassessing Seattle's odds of repeating as champs this season after these last five games, with their defense having surrendered a mere 6.8 points per outing. Arguably, the "Legion of Boom" is likely the best I've seen since the '85 Bears.

    That said, the Seahawks better not look past the Rams. They did once earlier this year, and paid dearly for the oversight in a 28-26 loss. They have every incentive to win here, because if the stumble next weekend, they'll probably be hitting the road for the playoffs, rather than enjoying the friendly confines of home.



    That'll teach 'em! (none / 0) (#4)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 09:42:17 AM EST
    From TPM

    U.S. Mulls Putting North Korea On Terrorism List For 'Cybervandalism'

    So what's your brilliant teaching plan? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 09:55:49 AM EST
    Better (none / 0) (#7)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 10:19:52 AM EST

    Better nothing than something ridiculous.

    Why do you think this is the only (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 10:39:35 AM EST
    Response they will have?

    I wait (none / 0) (#23)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:46:41 PM EST
    with bated breath.

    Didn't have to wait long (none / 0) (#24)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:50:20 PM EST
    Well, then how convenient for you ... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:06:07 PM EST
    ... that you're in good standing as a member of the GOP's hallelujah chorus, because you get to sing that party's talking points from the right field bleachers, rather than be the person who has to examine and choose from among all available options short of war.

    I daresay at this point those options are likely rather limited, given North Korea's longstanding status in the world as an international pariah.

    Don't you ever get tired of being told repeatedly that you're all meringue and no filling? One of these days, you'll hopefully impart a thought that's actually interesting and original.



    "All meringue (none / 0) (#15)
    by Zorba on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:10:40 PM EST
    and no filling."  I am so stealing that phrase!   ;-)

    Please, be my guest. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:22:51 PM EST
    After all, I took it from my grandmother. ;-D

    I will gladly (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 02:16:59 PM EST
    do so.  I've heard "All foam and no beer," but never the meringue one.
    And I also like:
    "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use."
    ― Søren Kierkegaard
    Although, quoting Kierkegaard may be a but too "high-falutin'" for some people.   ;-)

    "Peace on Earth," (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 11:47:28 AM EST
    even without goodwill for all.   A very nice Christmas card from Dr. Paul Krugman (NYT, op ed, Dec 22, 2014.)   The idea of war is old-fashioned--it makes you poorer and weaker, even if you win. With specific references to Vlad Putin, who has no notion of how to function in the 21st Century, and American neocons, who romanticize the leadership of a Putin, riding off shirtless, only to find that plunder just isn't what it once was.

    First I read the NYT article on (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 11:51:47 AM EST
    U.S., British, and Indian prior electronic surveillance re the Mumbai attacks.  Then I read Jeralyn's post. I'm pretty sure she could work for the NYT is she chose to.

    North Korea under cyber attack (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 12:47:06 PM EST
    by somebody?

    "I haven't seen such a steady beat of routing instability and outages in KP before," said Doug Madory, director of Internet analysis at the cybsecurity firm Dyn Research, according to Martyn Williams of the excellent blog North Korea Tech. Madory explained, "Usually there are isolated blips, not continuous connectivity problems. I wouldn't be surprised if they are absorbing some sort of attack presently."

    The outage also comes as China is investigating the accusations against North Korea over the Sony hack. North Korea's internet access is wired through China, which gives China more or less direct control over North Korea's access to the outside world.

    `Kim Jong Un isn't stupid: (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:16:32 PM EST
    he knows that his weak, impoverished state is much weaker than the US and South Korea and Japan, all of whom would just love to see his government collapse. North Korea can only deter those enemies by being more threatening and dangerous; it will never be stronger, so it has to be crazier instead, always more willing to escalate. This convinces the US and other countries, even if they see through Kim's game, that it's just easier to stay away from North Korea than to risk provoking the country into another flamboyant attack.'

    Dam. Joe Cocker died. RIP. (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Dec 22, 2014 at 01:32:07 PM EST