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Zimmerman Files Appeal Over Benjamin Crump's Deposition

George Zimmerman's lawyers have filed a petition for writ of cert in the 5th District Court of Appeals (available here) seeking to overturn the trial court's denial of its request to depose Martin family lawyer Benjamin Crump about his interview with Witness 8, the young woman who claims to have been on the phone with Trayvon Martin minutes before the shooting.

The 43 page petition is supported by a 271 page appendix which includes several transcripts as well as pleadings.

I think Zimmerman should win based on the waiver argument alone. I also don't think Crump comes close to being an "opposing counsel" in the case. In a criminal case, there are two parties: the Defendant and the State. Crump represents the family of the deceased -- that shouldn't make him opposing counsel. Nor does he represent Witness 8. Even if he were "opposing counsel, O'Mara explains why that doesn't prevent his deposition from being taken on the Witness 8 issue. [More...]

There's a new revelation: ABC's Matt Gutman recorded the entire Witness 8 interview but destroyed all but the five minute segment missing from Crump's recording that surfaced a few weeks ago. O'Mara writes:

Out of the 25-minute clear recording ABC News took of the interview, ABC has only preserved the 5-minute clip referenced supra. Mr. Crump should not be able to hide behind his own technical incompetence and now claim that he cannot be
deposed on these very relevant issues; certainly not when his actions created the issues that now must be investigated.

Is this why Mara hasn't set his motion to subpoena ABC's recording for hearing? Because ABC has told him the only portion retained was the 5 minute clip available on its website? What about the clips from Gutman's other interviews with Witness 8, aired during ABC broadcasts?

Also, apparently O'Mara has not yet conducted the continuation of Witness 8's deposition:

Counsel for Petitioner took a partial deposition of Witness 8 on March 13, 2013 which only led to more questions and confusion as to her interaction with Mr. Crump.

There is a terrific summary of Crump's involvement in the petition's section on public policy arguments in favor of taking Crump's deposition. Rather than rephrase it, I'll just reprint this part:

Mr. Crump led the effort to pressure the State of Florida to charge Mr. Zimmerman with the murder of Trayvon Martin. To fuel his effort, Mr. Crump solicited the help of a public relations firm App. CC: 266. With the firm's help, Mr. Crump made several high-profile television appearances where he made accusations about law enforcement corruption, speculated about the evidence in this case, and accused Mr. Zimmerman of an egregious act by stating repeatedly that George Zimmerman "profil[ed], pursu[ed], and confront[ed] Trayvon Martin and then kill[ed] Trayvon Martin in cold blood." App. H: Clip 8; 00:35.

More significantly, Mr. Crump sequestered Witness 8, coordinated her first interview (App. H: Clip 1 ), misstated the circumstances regarding the taking of the statement, and shared select portions of the interview with the press while simultaneously refusing to reveal the witness' identity or testimony to law enforcement or provide any other information to the agencies responsible for the investigation.

A civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution; and then gather evidence to further the prosecution of the Petitioner and, as a result, significantly threaten Mr. Zimmerman's chance of having a fair trial, yet claim he is not subject to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters.

O'Mara also points out that Crump, in the Gutman recording of Witness 8's interview (which is missing from his own recording) contradicts his own clients, something I discuss at length here and here. Both of Martin's parents told the prosecutor just a few weeks after the interview they hadn't discussed with Witness 8 the details of her final phone calls with their son.

If you are just tuning in to the Witness 8 issue in the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin case, or want a refresher, see my earlier posts:

More posts touching on Witness 8 are here. There are more than 1,000 comments in this thread on Witness 8 in our Zimmerman Forums.

My opinion: Crump has been burning both ends of the candle for far too long. It's time for the court to snuff out the flame on one end. If he wants to play investigator, share his results with the public, and make grand public announcements that state officers and officials have lied, and George Zimmerman is guilty of cold-blooded murder, he shouldn't be allowed to play hide and go seek when asked to provide information as to the reliability of his claims. He made the decision to go public with his dubious claims, which were relied on by the state in filing charges against Zimmerman. He filed an affidavit, parts of which are either mistakenly or intentionally inaccurate. Whatever privilege he might have had as to Witness 8 by virtue of his representing the Martin family had he not gone public, should be deemed waived. He has made himself a witness, and neither the attorney-client nor work-product privilege should protect him.

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    This thing stinks to high heaven (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Jack203 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:19:23 AM EST
    Love your investigation and insight Jeralyn

    In reading it again (none / 0) (#1)
    by DebFrmHell on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:13:08 PM EST
    A civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution; and then gather evidence to further the prosecution of the Petitioner and, as a result, significantly threaten Mr. Zimmerman's chance of having a fair trial, yet claim he is not subject to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters.

    The most important part of the whole case in a nutshell.  Crump inserted himself in the way he handled W8.  Perhaps he was looking at the end game, being that of civil suits, but it would appear that he needed to get the arrest first to better his chances of winning.  At least that is how he comes off to me.

    When the APC was filed the only real difference in what the SPD had done and what the SAO came up with was W8.  She is critical to the Prosecution's case.  

    Regardless of what they wrote... (none / 0) (#2)
    by unitron on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:37:55 PM EST
    ...do we know for an absolute fact that the prosecution didn't mean "only presented" when they said "only preserved"?

    The idea that ABC would actually destroy what well might be evidence in a murder trial is mind-boggling, and if there's precedent for doing so, I've never heard of it.

    Especially considering how they could milk it for who knows how many "exclusives".

    And since the part they did release seems to show a possibility of a problem of accuracy in Crump's "affidavit to duck a deposition", how could they possibly think there wouldn't be screams of outrage over whether they'd destroyed evidence that made him look even worse.

    In the unlikely event that this is true, the defense deserves another separate deposition of Witness 8 just on the question of what she and Gutman talked about, not to mention a chance to put Gutman and his tech under oath and grill them.

    In the reading (none / 0) (#3)
    by DebFrmHell on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:02:14 AM EST
    I did, I don't think they have completed the deposition started on the 13th of March.  I have the impression that they are waiting for a definitive answer from the DCA regarding Crump before finishing hers.  

    I am not the only one that shares that opinion and certainly not the first.  It makes sense to wait to get all the information they need to depose W8 properly.

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    Deb is correct (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:39:25 AM EST
    The defense isn't taking a second deposition of Witness 8, they are going to be continuing her initial deposition since they didn't get to complete it due to the state refusing to allow it to proceed because of the videotape issue (which it lost.)

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    It wasn't evidence (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:35:35 AM EST
    There were no charges or case when the interview was taken. I don't think ABC had any obligation to preserve it or turn it over.

    Perhaps if the defense or state had thought to file a motion to compel ABC to preserve the recordings of Witness 8 shortly after charges were filed and before it was erased, the court would have held a hearing and granted it. Motions to preserve are more likely to be granted than motions to turn something over.

    I used the word destroyed because not preserving the tape means it was erased, and erased is the equivalent of destroyed.  

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    Nowadays... (none / 0) (#6)
    by unitron on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:39:12 AM EST
    ...we aren't necessarily talking tape anyway, it could well be microphone to analog/digital converter straight to hard drive.

    But we're also talking a better audio quality than Crump's recording source of potential future "exclusives" they could have dragged out for who knows how long, so I just don't see them giving that up.

    The only explanations I can think of are that Crump had them agree, in exchange for access, to something in advance that he wrote up that gives him extraordinary leverage over them (in which case I really want to know what it was he didn't want getting out besides additional evidence of his technological ineptitude), or else I was right the other day when I wondered if they'd forgotten to get separate permission for ABC to record something that was both an interview and a "subject to wiretap laws" telephone call.

    But that still leaves us with the mystery of why the clip released without fanfare the other day didn't get deep-sixed with the rest of it before ever surfacing, seeing as how, even if only slightly, it brings even further into question the veracity of Crump and Witness 8 and further inflames the question of whether he influenced what she said in any way.

    The more answers we get on this case, the more they just raise new questions and screw up the old answers.

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    It was better than evidence... (none / 0) (#7)
    by unitron on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:59:43 AM EST
    ...it was something no other network or news outfit had.

    Nowadays tape is cheap and so is hard drive space, for an outfit like ABC.

    If it was on tape, they didn't erase it so they could use the tape again, they either kept it, or they de-gaussed it so hard it could never tape anything again and then they burned it and dumped the ashes in international waters while no one was looking.

    If this wasn't a preserve/present typo by the defense, there's no way ABC says "Nobody cares about this story anymore, tell Gutman to bulk the tape so he can re-use it in case of a chance to interview the family of the next sink hole victim."

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    Legal obligation to preserve (none / 0) (#9)
    by cboldt on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:52:19 AM EST
    It's arguable if there was a legal obligation before the third week in January, but it is not arguable if there was a legal obligation after the third week in January.

    O'Mara moved the court for a subpoena to ABC, on January 18, 2012.  ABC news was furnished with a copy of the motion.  I've searched for a court response to the motion, and come up empty.  Doesn't mean there is no court order.  I haven't found any response (to the motion) from ABC either, wherein they may have stated that the evidence sought does not exist.

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    I do believe... (none / 0) (#10)
    by unitron on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:13:44 PM EST
    ...you mean 2013.

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    And there has always been this Red Herring... (none / 0) (#11)
    by heidelja on Sat Apr 13, 2013 at 04:38:19 AM EST
    for Crump. Actually, there are several. The first has been that Witness 8 never existed until after the first "911 tapes" were released of GZ'z call to the SPD nonemergency phone from the evening of Feb 26, 2012.