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Hunt for Second Boston Marathon Bombing Suspect

Police are letting people back into their homes. Is Dzhokar dead?

The information coming out on the brothers is still somewhat conflicting as to last night's events.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, the suspect in the black hat, was killed last night. He was an amateur boxer with Olympic aspirations. His brother, Dzokhar, 19, is a student at U Mass at Dartmouth. He was an honor student in high school. Their classmates describe both of them as very nice guys that gave no indication of extremist beliefs or violence.

Dzokhar became a citizen on 9/11/12. The family fled Dagestan, next to Chechnya in southern Russia, for Kyrgyzstan in the early 1990's. In 2002 the family (like many others there) was granted asylum in the U.S. The brothers grew up here.

Developing....

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    An eye for details (none / 0) (#1)
    by cassandra1313 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:01:47 PM EST
    "Dzokhar became a citizen on 9/11/12."

    Why that particular date?

    that's the date the ceremony was planned? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:09:59 PM EST
    You don't get to choose your own date.

    Parent
    not positive (none / 0) (#12)
    by cassandra1313 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:26:37 PM EST
    "You become a citizen as soon as you take the Oath of Allegiance to the United States. In some places, you can choose to take the Oath the same day as your interview. If that option is not available or if you prefer a ceremony at a later date, USCIS will notify you of the ceremony date with a "Notice of Naturalization Oath Ceremony" (Form N-445)."

    Boston seems a big enough place to be one of those places, though this is all speculation.

    Parent

    no posting negative hearsay (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:09:24 PM EST
    from disgruntled relatives who haven't seen them since 2005. I'm deleting that comment.

    The uncle (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:09:24 PM EST
    was really torn up about all this. I saw part of the interview on the internet.

    the father is upset too (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:11:01 PM EST
    he has given an interview in Russia saying the brothers were framed.

    In other words, all hearsay, very little substance.

    Parent

    Except that they told the guy (none / 0) (#8)
    by shoephone on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:42:30 PM EST
    whose car they jacked "we're the bombers."

    Parent
    hearsay (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:13:09 PM EST
    this is reminding me of the (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    manhunt for Andrew Cunanan, suspected of killing Gianni Versace, who was holed up on a Miami houseboat. He killed himself on the houseboat but authorities didn't inform the media surrounding the boat and covering the hunt until they were good and ready.

    please be factual in your comments (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:22:12 PM EST
    Don't spread rumor and innuendo. Everyone wants to know what happened and the story behind it. There is enough factual information out there to have a discussion without resorting to rumor.

    The younger brother has lived here since he was 8 years old. No one yet knows the motives of the brothers. It does appear from the older brother's you tube page he became radicalized.

    The Russian Facebook and You Tube pages will likely be shut down shortly and fake ones will start appearing. I did take screen grabs of the originals.

    There's no reason at this time to blame any group for their actions.

    The reports (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:24:40 PM EST
    coming out of the media are confusing. I'm not even sure of the age of the older one. They seem to have been able to get the correct age of the younger one from the beginning but the older one I have heard both 20 and 26 for his age.

    Parent
    Feeling like overkill (none / 0) (#13)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 04:59:08 PM EST
    A massive military major city shutdown over a single teenager. Realize he has explosives but....really?


    Speaking for myself only, I tend ... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:13:39 PM EST
    ... not to question the judgment of public safety officials while an emergency is unfolding in real time. Afterward during the official review, of course, it's all fair game -- and it may very well be determined in retrospect that the official "lockdown" response of the authorities in this matter was indeed "overkill."

    When everyone's locked themselves inside their homes, offices and other places of employment, it's certainly a lot easier to notice those who are still running around on the outside. That's the supposed logic behind such a public lockdown, anyway. Of course, if the suspect himself is holed up indoors someplace, as may be the case here, then clearing the streets wholesale like that isn't going to serve any useful purpose.

    But as of 18 hours ago, and given the events of the past 96 hours or so, Massachuetts authorities did the right thing in declaring a state of emergency Watertown and greater Boston. In all matters of public safety, I think it's best to err on the side of caution and then offer apologies to everyone afterward for any inconvenience, than to have to officially express one's regrets and sorrow ex post facto for having underreacted in the face of a recognized threat.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Thanks Donald (none / 0) (#15)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:16:17 PM EST
    But I'm not convinced and it feels like another measure of how reflexively authoritarian we've become....sigh....

    Parent
    Having lived through two ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:29:20 PM EST
    ... recent mandatory evacuations here in Honolulu because of the recent tsunamis generated by the major eartchquakes in Japan and British Columbia, I don't consider such an order to be "authoritarian" at all.

    Obviously, it's problematic to actually enforce such a public order from a logistical standpoint. But in the aforementioned evacuation orders that we had experienced, it was made quite plain to residents -- by no less than the governor himself -- that they should they decide to disobey such an order, they do at their own peril, because public safety personnel are not necessarily going to be in any position to assist them should something go terribly wrong, and the perceived threat actually materializes into something very real at one's own doorstep.

    Now, had officials at that press conference about 30 minutes ago told residents that they are henceforth required to carry official government-issued I.D. when leaving their homes regardless of reason, or they'd otherwise be subject to detainment by the police, that I'd consider as authoritarian.

    Personally, I think we should be grateful in this instance that MA authorities were doing their job.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Thanks for the insight (none / 0) (#18)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:42:50 PM EST
    I  think however that comparing authorities's response to tsunami, vs lone teenager, is a teensy bit apples and oranges.


    Parent
    And what if (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:53:09 PM EST
    They didn't request the public stay inside, but go about their business, and other innocent people were hurt while trying to pursue this guy?  You would be screaming about how the police fell down on the job and didn't protect the public.

    What I find astounding is that anyone in the area would have to be told to stay indoors.  What kind of complete idiots would think, "The cops are infringing on my rights and I'm going to go to work / the store / the coffee shop, and they can't tell me what to do"?

    Parent

    I would be screaming no such thing (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by smott on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:09:50 PM EST
    I think Proceeding with Caution is a more appropriate response than an overwhelming military response shutting down and entire major US city over a teenager.

    I think showing the strength to carry on as usual ( with appropriate caution) is stronger than holing up until the authorities tell us we're safe from said teenager.

    Possibly shutting down public transport made sense while they felt the kid was surrounded. I don't know. But this display of overwhelming force ....in the face of what seems to be 2 rank amateurs, with little plan, no escape plan, no money, even thinking they wouldn't get caught....sorry, authoritarian overkill IMO.

    Parent

    prudent, reasonable and responsible input will get you to change your mind.

    Parent
    You seem to be strangely obsessed with the fact (none / 0) (#23)
    by shoephone on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:33:30 PM EST
    that he is a teenager. What difference does it make? He's alleged to have set off two bombs, killing three, maiming hundreds, shooting and killing a security officer, shooting another cop, setting off more explosives...

    The most basic common sense indicates he is a well-armed dangerous person, regardless of his age. I'm just sorry we may never found out what motivated the two brothers to commit these acts in the first place.

    Parent

    I have mixed feelings (none / 0) (#21)
    by sj on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:19:46 PM EST
    about the lockdown itself, and I no doubt would be one of those staying indoors even without a directive.  Having said that, does anybody really believe that the police successfully protect the public from all threats? Living life entails risk.  Maybe you would be screaming that the police fell down on the job if they didn't have the lockdown. I'm on the other end. I think I would be more troubled at how relatively easily the city was controlled.  And I would be troubled about that even as I stayed indoors voluntarily.

    Parent
    Breaking News: (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 06:35:37 PM EST
    According to the Boston Globe, it looks like the police have found the second suspect in Watertown and have pinned him down.