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ISIS released the full version of its latest propaganda video yesterday, "Flames of War." It's available on You Tube here.[new link] The speaker narrating the video sounds American. This struck me as an (unintentionally) funny line, which they attribute to al Qaida's Abu Musab al Zarqawi:

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    Lewinski (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 07:57:08 AM EST
    Is the St Louis County Grand Jury getting a Lewinski????

    Cops Love Lewinski

    In most cases, Lewinski is called upon to present a scientific-sounding justification for what looks on its face unjustifiable. He tells juries that police have to make split-second decisions if they want to survive, that just because the victim was shot in the back doesn't mean he wasn't a threat. And he does it all with the mantle of authority granted by a tenured professorship at one of Minnesota's public universities.

    Scammer.... and Expensive at $475/hour (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:14:13 AM EST
    Lewinski took an odd path into law enforcement studies. He never wore a uniform himself--he began his career as a teacher and therapist working with mentally disabled children in Ontario, and only shifted into his current focus during his graduate work. His doctorate degree in police psychology is the first such degree in the country.

    Police psychology isn't a field recognized by the American Psychological Association, and although Lewinski calls himself a psychologist, he isn't licensed to practice as one. Union Institute and University, which gave Lewinski his Ph.D., is mostly a distance learning institution, and Lewinski didn't attend any classes on campus during his three-year program. Union Institute doesn't even have an accredited psychology program.



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    Do you have any proof that (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:48:30 AM EST
    Lewinski has been called to testify to the Grand Jury or will be called to testify at a trial if Wilson is indicted??

    If not all you are doing is spreading rumors.

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    That's so cute (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:54:55 AM EST
    Jim, forehead creased cuz rumors :)

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    Well, I am glad to be of service (2.00 / 1) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:06:02 AM EST
    Now, do you have anything that refutes my point that Uncle and Squeaky are just spreading rumors??

    I think it is also called positioning the jury pool.

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    Who among us would be in the potential jury pool? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Angel on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:14:16 AM EST
    Who knows???? (1.00 / 2) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:21:19 AM EST
    Certainly you do not.

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    Glad you agree you posted an extremely (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Angel on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:24:40 AM EST
    ridiculous comment.  

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    Yes, your comment was. (2.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:40:23 AM EST
    I know you are but what am I (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM EST
    Neener neener neener

    I am rubber, you are glue:)

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    MT, read (2.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:08:08 PM EST
    my response was to Angel.

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    Just Pantomiming Jim (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:10:21 PM EST
    Wow! And in front of the children! (2.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:15:50 PM EST
    ;-)

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    You were glad to present the rumors (none / 0) (#32)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:23:36 AM EST
    About Wilson, even going do far as to say that Browns' conduct in the mini-mart demonstrated that Darren did the right thing when he shot Wilson.

    Or did you think everyone here has forgotten that already?

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    My posts were based on videos (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:29:17 AM EST
    on which I formed my opinion.

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    That was an unsupportable conclusion (none / 0) (#41)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:42:53 AM EST
    And so you may have started a new rumor on your own, in your zeal to whitewash the shooting of an unarmed young adult African-American by a white cop.

    Congradulations, you've finally reached a new low.  

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    The mini mart video (2.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:05:44 PM EST
    clearly shows Brown aggressively attacking and then returning to attack:

    Minimart attack

    And then we have this description of the shooting:

    Video

    Brown's actions are remarkably the same. He attacks and then returns.

    But unlike you I am willing to wait and abide by what the legal system says after Wilson has been afforded the due process we all supposedly enjoy.

    So there you go. Rumors?? No. Just opinion based on video and audio evidence.


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    Again, you're passing on a rumor (none / 0) (#50)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:23:09 PM EST
    based on your viewing of the tape and the unverified reports of witnesses who remain unnamed but all seem to justify Darrens' shootings of Brown.

    As for your NYT comment, you base it on a question by another commenter here without supporting facts, other than the NYT carries Obamas' water, like when they run columns by  Maureen Dowd who routinely bashes him when she does write about him......

    Wait a minute.............

    Thanks for demonstrating why "social liberal" is an oxymoron.

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    And my expressed opinion was (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:30:39 PM EST
    based on video and audio evidence.

    The basis of Uncle's rumor is not given by him.

    The basis of my NYT comment was based on the fact that the NYT didn't carry an article about the Australia situation.

    And us Social Liberals do like ourselves some facts.

    ;-)

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    Since you have no visual (none / 0) (#63)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    Or audio evidence to draw any conclusions from, your conclusions are fact-free as usual.

    No charge for the education, even for a so-called "social liberal".

    LOL!

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    I gave you two links (2.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:11:47 PM EST
    with visual and audible information that supports my points.

    You can deny that if you want but anyone can go to them.

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    Yman just shot a hole in your fact (none / 0) (#129)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:41:12 PM EST
    Care to try again, or do you want to look for more ammo first, cause right now you're firing blanks.

    No charge for the education.

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    Perhaps you can't read (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 06:02:43 PM EST
    I gave you two links.

    Ignore them if you want. Others will not.

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    Proof? (none / 0) (#34)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:24:20 AM EST
    Do you have any proof that Uncle Chip claimed Lewinsky was called in as a witness for the Wilson GJ?

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    Uh, let me see.... (1.50 / 2) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:39:20 AM EST
    Uncle Chip is a well know supporter of Brown and has posted numerous comments attacking Wilson.

    Wilson's actions are currently under investigation by the Grand Jury.

    Uncle Chip writes:

    Is the St Louis County Grand Jury getting a Lewinski????

    And following we have descriptions of a man named Lewinski who supposedly lies in testimony.

    It is known as a False Narrative.

    A false narrative is one in which a complete narrative pattern is perceived in a given situation, but it is not an actual narrative at work in the situation.

    Link

    As I wrote. Does Uncle have any proof?

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    BS You are FOS as Usual (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:31:08 PM EST
    Uncle Chip asked a rhetorical question.

    And the fact that he believes Wilson is guilty makes it all the more obvious that his question was rhetorical...  it came with a healthy dose of eye rolling...

    IOWUncle Chips rhetorical question speaks to the fear that the fix is in for the GJ..

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    Yes he did (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:53:40 PM EST
    and his intent was and the result was a False Narrative.

    If Uncle Chips fears that the fix is in then he should so state.

    Instead he tries to play games and influence people.

    As you do with your vulgar attacks.

    But facts are stubborn things.

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    Double BS (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:07:24 PM EST
    No one here believes that Lewinsky has been called in to the Wilson GJ...

    You are making up stuff.

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    I didn't say anyone here (2.00 / 1) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:58:39 PM EST
    believed it.

    But you have absolutely no way to know what people reading this blog are and what they believe.

    It is what it is. A False Narrative.

    Embrace the facts!


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    No one here believes it, as there (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:12:32 PM EST
    is no evidence supporting such a belief. But then why was Lewinsky associated w/the grand jury re Officer Wilson in the initial comment?  A waste of energy.

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    Waste of Energy? (none / 0) (#81)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:03:51 PM EST
    Hardly...  It was a rhetorical point made by one of the many people who believe that the Police are able to get away with murder.

    Nothing new, it is a point much like saying to someone who denies that there was a holocaust that they may want to check on ebay for lampshades circa 1940 made of human skin.

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    Then Uncle should (2.00 / 1) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:14:03 PM EST
    state his opinion and some links that are factual rather than posting a False Narrative.

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    Asking A Question (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:25:00 PM EST
    And a rhetorical one at that is hardly a narrative by any stretch of the imagination, BUT to say that Uncle Chip is creating a false narrative is in FACT a False Narrative.

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    Ah, I see that we have another (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:56:49 PM EST
    Humpty Dumpty moment.

    Let us examine what Uncle wrote:

    Is the St Louis County Grand Jury getting a Lewinski????

    Cops Love Lewinski

    Definition

    A false narrative is one in which a complete narrative pattern is perceived in a given situation, but it is not an actual narrative at work in the situation.  The perception of a false narrative can be due to insufficient or inaccurate information or to insufficient or inaccurate assessment.  The creation of a false narrative can be due to naturally occurring narrative patterns, transient contextual framing, inadvertent presentation or intentional deception


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    Yes (none / 0) (#97)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:59:34 PM EST
    Sounds exactly like what you have done here.

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    It is quite common for both sides in (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:10:57 PM EST
    litigation against alleged law enforcement misconduct to hire expert witnesses re use of force. Hardly remarkable enough to justify so many vociferous comments.

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    Your attacks on Brown (none / 0) (#64)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:06:34 PM EST
    Aren't vulgar but beyond disgusting.

    Who appointed you the table captain of this blog anyway?

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    You opinion is always welcome (2.00 / 1) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:43:57 PM EST
     but what does my opinion have to do with anyone being table captain?

    Ah yes... A Straw man is now presented by you.

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    Your rant about Uncle Chip and his (none / 0) (#126)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:37:42 PM EST
    "False narrative."

    Don't play stupid, James, as a representative of all social liberals in this land, you have an image to maintain.

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    I see that you are now using (none / 0) (#132)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 06:04:18 PM EST
    the personal insult.

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    PPJ (none / 0) (#68)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:19:49 PM EST
    So then let me see if I have this straight, Jim:

    You are all upset because of the implication that this guy Lewinski would be called upon to participate in this Wilson Grand Jury presentment.

    So then if it turns out that he has participated in it or does so in the near future, then that to you would speak poorly of the Darren Wilson defense.

    Did I get that right???

    A Lewinski is something to you that an innocent policeman  would not want or need.

    Did I read you right on that???

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    Upset?? Nope (2.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:55:02 PM EST
    And that's another False Narrative.

    I'm merely pointing out what you are trying to do.

    And I would be shocked, yes shocked if the prosecutor called Lewinsk1 to testify to the Grand Jury.

    And if the defense used him??

    So what?? Are you for limiting the abilities of a person to defend himself?? Do you also have other un Constitutional positions you want to share with us??

    And....  

    A Lewinski is something to you that an innocent policeman  would not want or need.

    I guess you don't think the police need a search warrant and you don't mind the NSA intercepting your calls and emails.

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    PPJ Master of the True Narrative Fiction (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:58:32 PM EST
    squeaky, having failed in his (2.00 / 1) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:59:56 PM EST
    attack resorts to wild eyed claims.

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    Failed? (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:04:47 PM EST
    More like nailed..

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    PPJ (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:29:25 PM EST
    And I would be shocked, yes shocked if the prosecutor called Lewinsk1 to testify to the Grand Jury.

    You do know that that is exactly what Lewinski does, don't you, or did you even bother to glance at the article before blabbing away???

    And if the defense used him?? So what??

    Gosh Jim, your panties have been on fire this whole thread because it was implied that the defense did use him or would do so -- and now you are "so whatting" it???

    Are you for real???

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    Uncle, I read your False Narrrative (2.00 / 1) (#95)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:48:38 PM EST
    and showed it for what it is.

    Now you can only insult and snark.

    You have done nothing but make stuff up.

    Provide some proof.

    And if you cannot you, or your silence, will be your answer.

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    PPJ (none / 0) (#101)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:26:00 PM EST
    Expert In Andy Lopez Shooting Also Sided With Police In Oscar Grant Case

    Does Lewinski have your approval to be involved in the Wilson case???

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    Uncle (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:38:23 PM EST
    That has nothing to do with Wilson.

    But thanks for acknowledging that you were trying to create a False Narrative.

    And I have no say who does or does not testify.

    Where do you get such wild ideas??

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    Unreliable Narrator (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:48:33 PM EST
    But thanks for acknowledging that you were trying to create a False Narrative

    Another ppj false narrative, perfectly perpetuated by a certified unreliable narrator.

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    Dear squeaky (none / 0) (#133)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 06:07:41 PM EST
    I offered Uncle a chance to prove that Lewinski is associated with Wilson's defense.  

    He has not.

    Even for you that should be easy to understand.


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    There are many Lewinski-like experts (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:26:26 PM EST
    making big bucks in civil cases involving officer-involved shootings, allegations of excessive force, false arrest, USC 42 section 1983, etc. it's a growth industry.  If the Michael Brown's parents have retained a litigation attorney, he or she has probably already contacted some of these professional expert witnesses.

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    Yeh -- (none / 0) (#71)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:31:49 PM EST
    but nothing works like a Lewinski

    His ability to mesmerize a jury and fill a police report with prefabrications is second to none.

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    I have a French gremlin attacking (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:36:37 AM EST
    my Mac.

    Over the course of the last couple of days, I have clicked on Huffington Post only to find that the articles on the far right side are in French. Since my French vocabulary consists of 5 - 10 words, I wish that this gremlim would go visit someone who wants to improve their French.

    It is bad enough to have a poltergeist in my home who likes to hid stuff I need right before I need it but a French gremlin in my Mac is just carrying this whole thing much too far. ;o)  

    Perhaps the same gremlin insists google news (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:49:36 AM EST
    must be the UK version.

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    MO Blue go to Disc Utility (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:34:12 PM EST
    and do all the verify disc permissions stuff we spoke about in the past.  You can do them again immediately if it doesn't clear things up.  Don't worry about erasing the hard drive right now as that is a before going to bed chore.  Or we could fly to Paris, ride up and down the Seine on a Bateau Mouche while you learn more French.  We may have to scoot up to Scotland for more convincing info to hit the doubters with as well.  :)

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    Can I choose door #2? (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by MO Blue on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:57:36 PM EST
    Flying to Paris, riding up and down the Seine on a Bateau Mouche while learning French sounds a whole lot more fun than going to the Disc Utility. Also I have heard from reliable sources, that Scotland is truly beautiful and it is on my bucket list. Just think we could justify the trip (if it needed justification) as doing research.  

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    French (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:51:35 AM EST
    Looks like amichael Jackson kinda. (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:46:53 PM EST
    French Gremlin (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:21:26 PM EST
    Ha! Is it a HuffPo setting? (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:54:36 AM EST
    I know they have different versions. But I went and looked and I don't see how you did that!  Pepe Le Pew has struck!

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    It is the link to HuffPost (none / 0) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:44:08 AM EST
    that I have used forever. The funny thing is that two of the columns are in English but the far right column (labeled Most Popular) is in French. It doesn't happen all the time. This morning that column was in French but right now all the columns are in English.

    What is even more frustrating is that some of the French articles look (from pictures) to be more interesting than the English version.

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    An impish Rod Serling ghost, mayhaps? (none / 0) (#22)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:45:17 AM EST
    Religious Beat. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:17:55 AM EST
    Pope Francis accepted the resignation of Chicago's Francis Cardinal George, who is seriously ill (and, at the age for retirement).  Bishop Blase Cupich, Bishop of Spokane, Washington, has been appointed to succeed George. The 65-year old Cupich was formerly Bishop of Rapid City, SD for 13 years.  Bishop Cupich is described as a "moderate," a voguish characterization these days.  Perhaps, the new Archbishop's moderation will no longer equate gays with the KKK--a memorable position of the ailing Cardinal George.

    While opposed to abortion and an active (but, ultimately unsuccessful) opponent of same sex marriage during  consideration by the state of Washington, he is supposedly concerned more with the poor and is pastoral in nature-- in the mold of the Pope.

    Observers have been keen to note the replacement for this large and important diocese.  The Pope reached deep into the ecclesiastical ranks with the appointment of a bishop rather than an archbishop to this post, but  that was apparently necessary to find a moderate.  

    Cupich was, according to his brother, named after Saint Blase, a physician and bishop in historical Armenia (modern Turkey). St. Blase was martyred by beating and beheading by rebels. This saint is called upon by the devoted to intercede in cases of throat disease, especially for fish bones stuck in the throat (Fishcamp, please take note).  

    As a former Catholic schoolboy, I recall that February ritual of having two crossed candles (unlit)  placed on my throat by the priest.  That, as combination therapy with antibiotics, seemed to do the trick for those childhood sore throats.  

    Attention Chicago real estate brokers: The magnificent Archbishop's residence on the northside of the city may be on the market. That six percent commission should set a broker up for life.    

    Feast of St Blaise (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:34:13 PM EST
     with the candles I mean. I always liked that one.

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    The patron saint (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:04:36 PM EST
    of wool combers.excellent

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    And choking boys. (none / 0) (#116)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:24:30 PM EST
    See comment #113 (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:29:41 PM EST
    Somebody had to be (none / 0) (#123)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:50:13 PM EST
    It's not meant to be take literally, it is any manufacturer of woolen products....They have a helluva time

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    For some reason this whole sub thread (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:01:44 PM EST
    reminded  me of last weeks Masters of Sex and the guy hilariously wondering if the prostitute trying to deal with his impotence had ever worked as a taffy puller.  

    I really like that character.  I wish he and Betsy Brandt would just get together already.

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    Wool combing -> Taffy Pulling (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:23:15 PM EST
    only a detour ADHD could make

    :)

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    Ha! Yes that was a great scene (none / 0) (#134)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 06:36:45 PM EST
    I want them to get together too. Theyd be funny together.

    Bill and Virginia are getting unbearable.

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    KeysDan thank you for your concern. (none / 0) (#58)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:49:50 PM EST
    I too was a Catholic schoolboy but thankfully don't remember the crossed candles event.  Maybe our parish didn't exorcise in the same fashion but we did have strange rituals.  My question to you is how on earth did you find this information about the appointment of the Bishop from far away Spokane, Washington?

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    Just an ENT for (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:02:38 PM EST
    news--ears, nose and throat.  

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    Speaking of Spokane (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:24:22 PM EST
    The very first downhill ski race I won was up on Mt. Spokane.  The finish gate area wasn't quite as organized back in the 50's as they are now.  I shot off the end of the run and landed on the roof of a station wagon down in the parking lot in full ski racing regalia.  No damage but the family was having a tailgate lunch party and after I clambered down the mother started feeding me chili or something and the father handed me a beer.  Well I thought that was just great until I removed my crash helmet and mother hen saw I was about fifteen years old.  She immediately grabbed the beer and replaced it with an orange soda.  Fond but strange memories of Spokane.

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    That is the best ski story I have heard yet (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:10:18 PM EST
    And i have heard a lot of them, after living in Colorado for 13 years!

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    Have you completed chapter 1 (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:57:55 PM EST
    of your memoir yet?

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    Oculus, thank you and yes I have (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:15:51 PM EST
    but there's that pesky dark side to most of my stories.  

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    Oh oh Oculus I read your word (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:33:55 PM EST
    completed as contemplated while I was awaiting the Alabama/ Florida game.  No I haven't started the memoirs yet but if it keeps raining down here I guess I could start.  I haven't even given up the information that my grandpa was born on the Isle of Skye in Scotland where the stories really begin.  And to think that jim thinks my Scottish knowledge comes from fiction.  But what is truth and what is fiction?  Is the Bible truth or faith?  Did Shakespeare really write the works of Shakespeare?  

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    Well, I think based on what people tell me (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:10:23 PM EST
    and grandpa stories can be more accurate than fiction.

    Is the Bible true?? My faith says that it is a history of the Jews and  Christianity.....

    Just as your faith probably leads you to believe in man made global warming...

    Neither has been proven.

    And if you ever want to hear Grandpa stories in all their joyous colors, attend some Squadron reunions and discover who really won the Cold War. ;-)


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    St. Blaise's Day is Feb. 3. (none / 0) (#85)
    by caseyOR on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:09:43 PM EST
    and I, too, remember the crossed candles at the throat blessing given to every child in my Catholic grade school. If we were getting the candle-throat blessing that meant Ash Wednesday was coming soon.

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    So, dumb question (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:17:25 PM EST
    not on wiki, what does fish bones and sore throats have to do with wool combing?  How did those things get combined?

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    Me too .... (none / 0) (#119)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:33:06 PM EST
    I still try to get to Mass on February 3rd for the blessing of the throat with the memory of "May St. Blasé, Bishop & Martyr, protect you from all diseases of the throat" deeply ingrained for me.  

    From briefly reading about this Bishop Blasé, it seems that his personal approach is to call for discussion and a return to "civility" rather than the language of condemnation used by many Church leaders in the pre-Pope Francis times.  

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    Fine... (5.00 / 6) (#51)
    by desertswine on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:26:58 PM EST
    another thread about ppjrk and his racist delusions.

    Doesnt take long to read (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:06:28 PM EST
    scroll scroll scroll

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    I'm not religious at all, but (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:17:47 PM EST
    ...ya gotta love the Satanists who get to put on a Black Mass at the Oklahoma City city hall.

    Xtians demanded religious recognition in the building, which to be fair included all religions, and Satan moved in alongside Jesus and Moses and a few thousand Hindu gods.

    The degree to which freedom of religion has bent the RWNJ opinion industry out of shape is a joy to behold.

    I might just start worshiping Satan myself.

    Goodness (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:41:22 PM EST
    this thread is certainly full of PPJ.

    looks like someone forgot to flush.

    Bill Maher on ISIS (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:45:45 PM EST
    Queen Rips Scottish Bas&$@ds (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 08:56:07 AM EST
    in Angry Televised Address

    LONDON (The Borowitz Report)--In an eleventh-hour development that could have an unpredictable effect on the vote to determine Scottish independence, Queen Elizabeth II took to the British airwaves on Thursday to excoriate the Scots in a one-hour, profanity-laden tirade.


    Yep, many are happy about the (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:12:09 AM EST
    loss of the vote to separate in Scotland.  Angela Merkel said it doesn't matter to her country but said it with a smile.  Spain is happy because both the Catalonians and the Basques were hoping to leave Spain.  France is happy since Corsica wanted to split as well.  I'm not happy down here in the Conch Republic.  Let's hope the English live up to their recent talk of reform for Scotland.  But then Wales and Northern Ireland will want more too.  It's not always good to be the Queen.

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    Everyone seems happy (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:48:33 AM EST
    except some Scotts.

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    The Knick was great last night (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:11:30 AM EST
    YES! It was so good I stayed up too late watching (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:50:56 AM EST
    I thought it was floundering a little till now, but it really hit its stride in this episode.  I'm glad Thackeray finally will be partners with Edwards.

    And Cornelia was great! Loved the previously.tv take.

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    I got home way too late (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 09:59:14 AM EST
    Lightening hit somewhere around the house too so the surge protector on the fuse box shut everything down.  I didn't even get a recording.

    But Enterprise HS in a big upset beat Auburn Tigers HS.

    Josh was in the pit at half time rockin out.  He couldn't hold still.  I am not allowed to call him cute anymore so at a loss what to call it?

    The weather was much cooler last night, maybe melting is over for the year.

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    On tonight at 8 (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:16:23 AM EST
    i hope so too.  Totally ready for fall here.

    Go Enterprise.

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    Only going to be in the 80s today (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:32:02 AM EST
    Already a rainy morning cut our dog park trip short.

    It is amazing what a difference the upper 80s feel from the mid-90s.  Much more tolerable!

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    It makes parks something I can (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:40:09 AM EST
    Consider.  We lapped the park here yesterday morning after dropping Josh off at school.

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    Thackeray (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:17:14 AM EST
    is utterly mad.

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    He sure is. Poor Bertie is going to (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:19:34 AM EST
    have to stage an intervention at some point.

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    Been watching Godzilla (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:34:36 PM EST
    on PPV.  So good.

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    France has joined the fight against ISIS. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:03:53 AM EST
    Airstrikes in Iraq near Mosul by French planes yesterday. France is saying they will assist only in Iraq. Planes flew from UAE.

    Washington Post.

    Everybody is joining up for this (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:06:31 AM EST
    Is NY Times avoiding covering ISIS beheading plot (none / 0) (#16)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:18:44 AM EST
    or am I just deficient at Googling? This is the recent news coming out of Australia, involving terrorists with links to ISIS.

    "In what was called the largest anti-terror operation in Australian history, police have arrested 15 people allegedly linked to the Islamic State, some who plotted a public beheading."

    "Police said the planned attack was to be "random." The killers were to behead a victim and then drape the body in the black Islamic State flag, according to the Sydney Morning Herald."

    Washington Post article.

    This, along with intelligence indicating that ISIS was also planning to go after members of parliament, has received a decent amount of press. However, I was surprised not to see articles from the NY Times popping up in my internet search.

    The Times is in a quandry (1.00 / 3) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:03:29 AM EST
    they afraid to report too much about ISIS because Obama has done so little about it.

    I mean, what's a water carrier to do?

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    Expert (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:16:39 AM EST
    Water carrier ppj, is qualified to speak of water carriers of course while carrying water...

    How do we know when someone is carrying water?

    Well for one check out the claim of the water carrier.

    The Times is in a quandary they afraid to report too much about ISIS because Obama has done so little about it.

    NYT search on ISIS:

    1-10 of about 366,000 Results



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    The issue isn't the number of hits they (2.00 / 1) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:23:47 AM EST
    have on articles they have carried.

    The issue is the number of articles.

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    32 Articles in the las two days? (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:28:35 AM EST
    What is your threshold? Oh, just carrying water..

    OK carry on.

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    Please link the 32 NY Times (none / 0) (#108)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:07:45 PM EST
    articles on the ISIS beheading plot in Australia. Actually, just link the 5 biggest ones from the Times.

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    Isn't that your job? (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:09:50 PM EST
    Sorry (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:20:30 PM EST
    I did not read your comment, as it was as uninteresting as usual.
    My response was to ppj, who claimed that the NYT did not write about ISIS... I found 32 articles about ISIS from the last couple of days.

    Did not know you are now going on about Australia. Keep hunting maybe you will find something to prove your thesis, whatever that is.

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    How many articles would the NYT (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:30:33 AM EST
     have to have run to satisfy you?  Because they have several topic pages on ISIS, they have a lot of articles and columns on the subject.

    Are you just passing along a rumor that they aren't covering ISIS enough, a rumor that you haven't bothered to research for yourself?

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    Why don't you and squeaky (1.33 / 3) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:48:45 AM EST
    try reading the thread and see where my comment came from rather than just trying to defend one of Obama's biggest media water carriers?????

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    The post was from Green26 ... (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:54:05 PM EST
    ... but you're the one agreeing with him and claiming the NYT is carrying Obama's water by not covering it sufficiently.

    Clueless.

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    Agreeing with Green26? (2.00 / 1) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:02:24 PM EST
    No, I just believe him when he says the NYT didn't carry an article about the Australian situation.

    But yes. I think that is an outstanding example of the media carrying Obama's water.

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    Who cares what you "believe"? (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:12:49 PM EST
    No, I just believe him when he says the NYT didn't carry an article about the Australian situation.

    But yes. I think that is an outstanding example of the media carrying Obama's water.

    It takes about 5 seconds to prove that his (and your) "belief" is false - as usual.  Not to mention the more than two dozen articles discussing ISIS in the NYT over just the past two days.

    Google - and facts - are not your friend, apparently.

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    In case you don't know it (none / 0) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 03:50:00 PM EST
    today us 9/20, not 9/17.

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    Congrats (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:26:37 PM EST
    ... on being able to use a calendar.

    Now you should try google.

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    Thanks. Glad you were able to find a 1-paragraph (none / 0) (#112)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:16:19 PM EST
    article in the NY Times. That's not exactly big coverage. I wonder what page it was on in the hard copy. Like I said, I may not be a great Googler.

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    "Big coverage"? (none / 0) (#128)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:38:50 PM EST
    That wasn't your question.

    This, along with intelligence indicating that ISIS was also planning to go after members of parliament, has received a decent amount of press. However, I was surprised not to see articles from the NY Times popping up in my internet search...

    Is NY Times avoiding covering ISIS beheading plot or am I just deficient at Googling? This is the recent news coming out of Australia, involving terrorists with links to ISIS...

    Like I said, I may not be a great Googler.

    All the more reason to avoid these types of "questions"/accusations.

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    A question isn't an accusation. (none / 0) (#135)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 06:57:25 PM EST
    Sorry to inform you, but there will be alot more where this came from. So be prepared.

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    Feel free to link (none / 0) (#109)
    by Green26 on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:08:45 PM EST
    all of the NY Times article on the recent ISIS beheading plot in Australia.

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    "Feel free" ... (none / 0) (#127)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 05:38:27 PM EST
    ... to do it yourself.

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    You haven't the slightest clue ... (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:52:20 PM EST
    ... as to the number of articles they've published about ISIS, yet you claim it's not enough, because they're "carrying water" for Obama.

    Google is pretty easy to use, Jim.  It would help you avoid these embarrassing claims.

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    Well, we're having a lot of (1.50 / 2) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:03:56 PM EST
    False Narratives today and when you start talking about what I didn't claim you are positing one.

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    You can run, but you can't hide (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:16:55 PM EST
    ... from your own comments.  In response to Green's comment that he didn't think the NYT covered the ISIS Australia plot, you said:

    The Times is in a quandry they afraid to report too much about ISIS because Obama has done so little about it.

    I mean, what's a water carrier to do?

    and


     The issue isn't the number of hits they have on articles they have carried.

    The issue is the number of articles.

    You were suggesting that the NYT wasn't covering the ISIS Australia plot and/or ISIS in general because they are "carrying water" for Obama.

    But I understand why you'd want to try to back away from those false claims, now.


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    I think....might be wrong too (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:45:14 AM EST
    That anything that can be used by ISIL for propaganda purposes has become quieter.  I read about these arrests, but CNN isn't going to treat it like they did the plane because of the hyper emotionality that involves.  All that media specuhoping will only make it into the next ISIL video as evidence of the "power" they have over the daily lives of the world.  

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    So if we report the hateful crimes (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 10:59:54 AM EST
    we are helping the criminals.... so we don't and the world doesn't know about it and the criminals are not attacked so they keep on doing the killings...which we can't report because it would help the criminals so they are not attacked because the world doesn't know  so they keep on killing which we can't report.....

    Moebius Strip

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    Let's face it (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 11:52:28 AM EST
    Walter Cronkite could deliver the news, Edward R. Murrow could too.  Modern day news is more like hysteria breeding than reporting the simple facts.  My husband and I were discussing specuhoping and he brought up the media following the ambulance of the second Ebola patient arriving in Atlanta from the airport to the hospital.  They were hoping that the ambulance ran out of gas, or had engine trouble, or was part of a car crash and the back door flew open and the Ebola patient escaped into a dark alley in the heart of Atlanta and couldn't be immediately found :)

    The speculation of what ISIL could do next would go on for months, and ISIL would just use that Jim as evidence of how powerful they are.  Who needs that?  And why do you need hysteria vs. facts.  The facts are enough.

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    You wanna face it?? (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:49:21 PM EST
    Cronkite lied about Tet. We didn't lose.

    We realized that America had made its maximum military commitment to the war. Vietnam was not sufficiently important for the United States to call up its reserves. We had stretched American power to a breaking point. When more frustration set in, all the Americans could do would be to withdraw; they had no more troops to send over.
    Tet was designed to influence American public opinion. We would attack poorly defended parts of South Vietnam cities during a holiday and a truce when few South Vietnamese troops would be on duty. Before the main attack, we would entice American units to advance close to the borders, away from the cities. By attacking all South Vietnam's major cities, we would spread out our forces and neutralize the impact of American firepower. Attacking on a broad front, we would lose some battles but win others. We used local forces nearby each target to frustrate discovery of our plans. Small teams, like the one which attacked the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, would be sufficient. It was a guerrilla strategy of hit-and-run raids. [lloks like a re-writing of history with the benefit of hindsight]

    Q: What about the results?

    A: Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise;. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election. The second and third waves in May and September were, in retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to re-establish our presence, but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have punished us severely. We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was...

    Bui Tin

    And no, I don't wanna get off subject so if you disagree about Walter please go to Open thread.

    But this whole thing smacks of Vietnam. Look how it started. We removed forces from Iraq which allowed ISIS to form. We are now engaged in half way responses when we could be bombing them into oblivion while saying that an group calls itself the "Islamic State..." isn't Islamic. Remember "Agrarian reformers???"

    The military is designed to kill people and break things. We should use them to do only that and keep the peace after we have won. Other wise, bring them home.

    I agree that "If it bleeds it leads." Always has. And yes it is worse now because they have more space to fill. And yes ISIS is news because of how they came about, what they have done, and what they are threatening to do.

    Not reporting it and pretending it isn't happening only plays into ISIS's hands.


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    You must have served (5.00 / 5) (#79)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:00:16 PM EST
    ...during a different Vietnam War than the one that was going on when I served.

    Everyone I served with thought it was a clusterfvck.

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    I have never commented on my service (2.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 02:07:56 PM EST
    beyond noting that I served 10 years in Naval Aviation.

    And I honor your service.

    Was Tet a CF?? The enemy said they were badly beaten. Uncle Walter said we lost.

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    No need to worry (none / 0) (#57)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 12:49:45 PM EST
    In my effort to figure out what's going (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 01:15:48 PM EST
    on in Kansas, I encountered an NYT article re Kansas, Alaska, and Iowa Senate races, including this excerpt re Alaska:

    Yet the race in Alaska is nearly as unclear as Kansas'. Alaska is the only state this year where there has not been a traditional, nonpartisan telephone survey contacting voters with a cellphone. The data we have is generally of dubious quality or comes from partisan outfits.


    A tidbit (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:46:40 PM EST
    For reasons that still surprise my husband & me, my husband's only nephew got very (very) involved in the political scene these past several years (starting with the home area in Pennsylvania ... the data political scene.  We were pleasantly surprised a little while back to learn of two Dem party directed assignments that the family's burgeoning IT specialist was given.  First, he was sent to Arkansas; then, to Alaska; and--we understand--he is being sent to Louisiana for the expected December phase there.

    I'm almost salivating-curious about Alaska, of course.  So, every so often, I nudge the husband with a "How is your brother doing (and the boy-child, nephew?)"  The fact that the data-types (trans: voter-targeting phalanx) have been dispersed for months to the tipping-point states is nice to know, tho.  

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    I was reading that AK (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 at 04:11:49 PM EST
    is a very difficult place to poll.  Far flung and less wired population.  Particularly land lines.  The mothers milk of telephone polls.  And telephone poles I guess.

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