Tuesday Open Thread: Concert Time

One of my favorite Bon Jovi concerts to watch -- Live Earth in 2007 -- I don't think I've ever seen Al Gore get so excited.

I only uploaded the first 25 seconds because the music is copyrighted. But you can view the whole thing on You Tube. For videos from the current tour, check out JoviGirl1983

The TL kid will be here in an hour so I'm off to get ready. I know there's lots of news today, but it will have to wait until tomorrow for me.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Forget the news for a night. Have a good time. (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 05:13:47 PM EST
    Enjoy Bon Jovi and the time with your son. The news will still be here tomorrow.

    Pat Summerall, NFL announcer extraordinaire, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:05:25 PM EST
    died today at age 82. He was a recovering alcoholic who underwent a liver transplant a number of years ago.

    Pat was my kind of sportscaster. He gave you the essential information without all the gasbaggery. He was such a pleasant contrast to his long-time on-air partner John Madden.

    RIP, Pat.

    His demeanor was elegant and dignified, ... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:43:07 PM EST
    ... especially when one considers what passes for sportscasting nowadays. I liked his broadcasts with John Madden. They were an odd couple at first glance, yet they had good chemistry and complemented one another.

    Summerall... (none / 0) (#13)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 09:05:54 PM EST
    was the best of the football announcers for my money.  He had that rare gift of knowing when not to say anything.

    Not getting [new] designation for (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:48:05 AM EST
    any comments in this thread.

    Seems to be more of a problem in Open threads;  can't imagine why that would be so, but if this one gets much longer, it won't be much fun to read.

    Me either (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:12:23 PM EST
    I'm using Chrome so I don't know if that is the problem or it is something else.

    It's definitely not Chrome (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by sj on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:48:15 PM EST
    It happens to me with both IE and Firefox.  And it does seem to be worse with recent postings.  I think, though I need to pay closer attention, that Open Threads seem to be the problem.  Greatest problem?  After a day or two then the tag starts showing up.

    Email Jeralyn and let her know about (none / 0) (#55)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:29:26 PM EST
    this problem. I emailed her last week She could not duplicate the problem so she referred me to the TL web guy. I emailed with him a few times and give him all the info I had about this problem.

    So, please, in addition to posting in the comments, please email Jeralyn.

    I am still having the same problem you describe, almost always on the most recent Open Thread. I am using Safari.


    I'm still not able to duplicate this (none / 0) (#103)
    by hillct on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 07:13:20 PM EST
    One thing I'd ask those impacted by this issuer to do is disable the various plugins they have running in their browser. Of particular note are for example FasterFox for firefox and FastestChrome for Chrome. Each of these plugins are specifically designed to prefetch pages and cache pages more aggressively than would otherwise be appropriate, so could precent you from seeing 'new' comment indicators, to the extent that pages are loaded and potentially refreshed without being visible to the user. The way the site tracks new comments on a per user basis is to say "How many comments were on this page the last time this user loaded it?" then "how many comments are there now?" The differential found here indicates which comments are marked new but if the page is refreshed in a way not visible to the user as these and other 'browsing performance plugins" seek to do, then the resulting behavior might manifest in new comment markers not being visible, simply because the page was refreshed multiple times outside the view of the user behind the given browser session.
    Both Chrome and Firefox have the option to disable all plugins, for purposes of debugging issues potentially caused by plugins, so I'd ask that you to try this. In Firefox, the option is to restart the browser (not windows) in safe mode meaning with all plugins disabled. In chrome, you can view the site using an Incognito window, which should effectively disable all plugins unless you've explicitly configured it to do otherwise.
    I'm not able to reproduce this issue in nay browser, on any platform, using any combination of plugins tested thus far, so please report back any combination of browser, platform and plugins, especially if you've also encountered another combination where the new comments markers are showing up for you.
    The behavior is almost certainly a cache issue but the challenge here is working out exactly where the issue occurs, and what commonality exists between effected site visitrors, so I can develop a solution to the problem.


    Thanks for the information (none / 0) (#105)
    by sj on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:10:37 PM EST
    Speaking for myself, when I run in Firefox the only add-on running is Norton vulnerability protection.  That should be slowing it down, not speeding it up.

    That algorithm doesn't sound complete. Before this problem started occurring, deleted comments would affect comment count and yet the [new] tag would still show up appropriately. I had always thought that date/time was factored in or that it kept track of the highest comment number.

    I can say, that once the post has been around awhile the indicator starts showing up.  Mostly.  This problem is the the worst in open threads that are usually very dynamic.

    As for platform it happens in XP running IE (I'd tell you the version but it takes a long time to power up that old laptop), and Windows 7 running IE9 or Firefox 17.0.1.

    Oh, and I am on Eastern time.

    I am also curious about who isn't experiencing the problem.

    Anyway, thanks again for continuing to work this problem.


    I'm not experiencing the problem (none / 0) (#106)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:35:56 PM EST
    But I have been having another problem in open threads where the comments exceed about 100 -- they start showing up in black with white text towards the bottom of the thread. But when I click on the indivual comment that appears in black in the thread, it shows normally.

    I'm not using any different add-ons than i've ever used, although Firefox is now on version 20.

    I hope you will all provide info to Colin, since I don't understand this stuff at all.


    maybe a troubleshooting thread? (none / 0) (#111)
    by sj on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 12:57:05 PM EST
    To log who is and who isn't experiencing problems and trying to find the common denominators?

    btw (none / 0) (#112)
    by sj on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:04:44 PM EST
    in this thread comments after this one of yours are being rendered (for me) with an over-wide comment box.

    My comment display setting are
    Nested, Ignore ratings, Oldest first.  



    Same for me (none / 0) (#113)
    by shoephone on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:09:48 PM EST
    Over-wide, then indented, over-wide, then indented.

    Ditto. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Angel on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 03:49:49 PM EST
    Using Firefox.

    Good news for Obama (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:48:32 AM EST
    "Republicans embrace Obama's offer to trim Social Security benefits".

    As seen on Facebook this morning (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:41:28 AM EST
    "20 years ago, we had Johnny Cash, Bob Hope, and Steve Jobs.  Now we have No Cash, No Hope, and No Jobs.  

    Please don't let Kevin BACON die."

    Have fun! (none / 0) (#2)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 05:45:31 PM EST
    Try not to swoon too much. :)

    Enjoy Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Cashmere on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 06:39:27 PM EST
    You deserve it.  I love Bon Jovi too.

    Sceam (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:15:03 PM EST
    at Jon for me Jeralyn!!

    I watched (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:18:45 PM EST
    this documentary today called the Queen of Versailles. It's about the time share king (I forget his name) whose wife was/is building the largest house in the country.

    This guy actually polled his employees finding out who was voting for George W. Bush and put negative articles in his employee's paycheck about Al Gore. He is claiming that he is the one that got Bush in the white house. And then it talks about how his empire collapsed in the fall of 2008. He also was the one telling his employees last fall that he was going to fire them if they voted for Obama.

    Local Orlando celebrities (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 10:19:25 PM EST
    The house sits still unfinished near here someplace, while he plots his comeback. Watching that film was a lesson to me on how rich people can be in arrears on debt for years with no consequences, but god forbid I get behind on my visa payment.

    That Was a Wierd Film... (none / 0) (#50)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:07:43 PM EST
    ...in the end I really felt for them, not the guy so much, but everyone around him.

    The part I remember the most is him practically bragging about doing some shady S to get Bush elected and too dumb to realize that Bush & Co were the ones who were indirectly responsible for his financial demise.


    I could (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:56:26 PM EST
    not believe that he actually admitted that on the film. And I thought he was a perfect example of Karma coming back to get you. He did seem somewhat chastened by that but not much and yeah, even though his wife was a spendaholic she never forgot where she came from but he sure seemed like he did.

    Are Dems about to pick up (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:20:59 PM EST
    an SC House seat?

    Documents acquired by The Associated Press Tuesday say Jenny Sanford confronted her ex-husband leaving her South Carolina home on Feb. 3. Her attorney filed a trespassing complaint the next day and she confirms the documents are authentic.

    In them, she says he was using his cellphone as a flashlight as he left.

    The couple's divorce settlement says neither may enter the other's home without permission.

    No (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:16:15 PM EST
    I won't think this will matter to the voters in SC.

    You're right, It won't matter until ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:35:30 PM EST
    ... South Carolinians attempt to secede from the Union again, and we return to besiege Charleston before burning Columbia to the ground one more time.

    A 3 week old PPP poll (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:49:56 PM EST
    PPP's first look at the special election in South Carolina's 1st Congressional District finds a toss up race. Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch leads Republican Mark Sanford 47-45

    A recent internal Sanford poll has Sanford up by about 5. It's been a GOP district since 1981. I think it will come down to whether Republican women think Sanford is just too creepy. My guess is it's going to be far closer than people think.


    I think you're right. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 09:21:28 PM EST
    Because nothing speaks more highly of the sacred institution that is traditional marriage, than an aging fratboy caught relieving himself on his ex-wife's lawn at two in the morning.

    Well, maybe poor Mark was lonely because his coochie-coochie tango girl was back in Buenos Aires at the time, and he wanted to invite Jenny to hike the Appalachian Trail with him again, just for old times sake.

    Given everything we now know about the sleazy former governor, anyone in South Carolina who's still stupid enough to vote for that clown again deserves to be chained to the bed of a pickup truck for a road trip to Pennsylvania for the upcoming 150th anniversary commemoration of the Battle of Gettysburg this July, and then shot repeatedly out of some Civil War-era cannons during the re-enactment of Pickett's Charge.


    Sanford (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:46:45 AM EST
    will play the God card and all will be forgotten or forgiven.

    Another Republican who will have (none / 0) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:45:50 AM EST
    to play the god card:

    Oh, noooos.  NY state Assemblyman Steve Katz (R), who opposes medical marijuana, was busted last month for . . .  possession of marijuana.

    Waking & baking to boot... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:03:21 AM EST
    busted at 10 am, on a work day no less!  

    Signs of a serious stoner, even I haven't blazed before work in years.  Unless his sh*t is that good and the cop snouted it out through the baggie.


    Keith Richards, according to his book, (none / 0) (#42)
    by fishcamp on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:13:47 AM EST
    doesn't fire up right when he wakes up like the other band members.  He waits 10 minutes.

    But of course! (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:21:32 AM EST
    Need time for a cigarette first, at least.

    it was (none / 0) (#29)
    by P3P3P3P3 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:11:37 AM EST
    Mark Sanford's time to go to Babylon (confusion) the captivity is a few years (3.5) look at Tiger Woods, he is back (restored)

    read: Ted Haggard


    Hoping the Colbert Bump is in full effect (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 10:21:30 PM EST
    Interesting update (none / 0) (#61)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:06:26 PM EST
    The National Republican Congressional Committee, which provides funding to GOP candidates is now pulling its funding from his campaign against Elizabeth Colbert Busch.

    Mark Sanford Says.... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:13:14 PM EST
    "It's an unfortunate reality that divorced couples sometimes have disagreements that spill over into family court. I did indeed watch the second half of the Super Bowl at the beach house with our 14 year old son, because as a father I didn't think he should watch it alone," Sanford said. "Given she was out of town I tried to reach her beforehand to tell her of the situation that had arisen, and met her at the back steps under the light of my cell phone when she returned and told her what had happened."

    No comment it's so GD stupid.


    Also interesting - Is there more to come? (none / 0) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:51:08 PM EST
    Republicans also fear the trespassing charges against Sanford may not be the last controversy that comes out about the former governor.

    "We're hearing rumors out there that there's more stuff out there -- that this is just the first shoe to drop," said the strategist. TheHill

    You know what's really (none / 0) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:06:46 PM EST
    sad? The fact that we are even talking about this kind of stuff. I mean the fact that he was the NATION'S WORST GOVERNOR should be enough to disqualify him with the voters.

    I think Rick Perry has him beat in the worst (none / 0) (#99)
    by Angel on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:59:23 PM EST
    governor category.  Perry is definitely the dumbest.

    I agree with Perry (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:34:48 PM EST
    being the dumbest but his economic record is not as bad as Sanford's. I think SC had double digit unemployment the entire time Sanford was governor.

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#97)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:27:21 PM EST
    this is the kind of bump, that when combined with the Colbert bump, gets us a 2nd Dem member of Congress from the Palmetto State.

    Obviously, you must've ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:32:11 PM EST
    Jeralyn: "I don't think I've ever seen Al Gore get so excited."

    ... missed this particular moment.

    My big event is Thursday night (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 10:33:15 PM EST
    Meeting Military Tracy and family at Disneyworld! I'm quite sure hilarity will ensue.

    I've been frazzled at work lately and not able to  be online much. My only unusual thought on world events was thinking that Kerry as SoS reminds me a little of Kissinger....seem to be seeing the beginnings of Shuttle Diplomacy II. Would not surprise me if Kerry internalized Henry the K's methods while he was engrossed in fighting the Vietnam Nam war. Just a random thought. YMMV.

    Have a great time at Disneyworld. (none / 0) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:05:10 AM EST
    Kissinger, eh? Gawd, I hope Kerry does a better job than Kissinger.

    What fun. The first to meet (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:11:55 AM EST
    MT and her now infamous family   Please inquire of Mr. MT if he really says all the stuff attributed to him here!

    That's awesome... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:17:03 AM EST
    I love it when TL legends get together!

    Is Disney World still dry?  Cuz that kinda party needs margaritas.  Those Disney cops are tough but I'm sure something can be smuggled in.  Little Man Josh can babysit you guys;)

    I eagerly await the happy recap!


    Be... Our... Guest (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:19:55 AM EST
    be our guest,
    drink wine and beer while you sit and rest,
    It's now available at Disney,
    but the hard stuff you still can't test.

    Okay, so lyrics aren't my specialty. But yes you can now get beer at wine at the restaurant "Be Our Guest" in The Magic Kingdom. If you want margaritas head to Epcot.


    'Bout time Mickey;)... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:43:33 AM EST
    I'll never forget my first visit to Disney World, I was 7 or 8.  Typical McArab Family Vacation style, pops comes home from work with half a bag on and says "We're going to Disney World, hurry up and pack plane leaves in 2 hours."

    Pops wakes up in Orlando with a wicked hangover and little recollection of traveling to Orlando, we head to Disney World and first things first pops goes looking for a beer...well, you know how that turned out.  One man's Magic Kingdom is another man's living hell...he never forgave Mickey, and we never returned;)


    I am tapping my toes (none / 0) (#20)
    by DebFrmHell on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:35:49 AM EST
    waiting for the play-by-play of the concert and maybe some pictures?  Jeralyn, aren't you ever going to wake up?  (tap, tap, tap)

    Here are... (none / 0) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:41:51 AM EST
    some pictures to tide you over until J gets up.

    A very powerful ad (none / 0) (#28)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:10:59 AM EST
    That never sells a product but makes you think.

    Dove Hires Criminal Sketch Artist to Draw Women as They See Themselves and as Others See Them

    They Should Do Guys Too... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:15:55 PM EST
    ...that would be funny.

    Very insightful (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:17:14 PM EST
    although it doesn't surprise me a lot.

    I wonder how that experiment would come out if they did it with men.


    If I had to guess, ... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:07:36 PM EST
    ... I'd say the mens' self-portraits would end up being much taller, more handsome, etc., than the strangers' versions.

    I would have to agree (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:12:03 PM EST
    Also, much younger and thinner.

    Not to mention ... (none / 0) (#104)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 08:36:42 PM EST
    ... what they would look like if they were full-body drawings.  Let's just say the scale would probably be a little "off"...

    That thought did cross my mind (none / 0) (#108)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:47:05 PM EST
    I saw that (none / 0) (#84)
    by sj on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:05:20 PM EST
    and almost commented on it.  Seriously, as a marketing tool, the tack Dove has taken recently has made me a customer.  Darn Madison Avenue anyway, it slipped into my subconscious, but there it is in my shower.  Even though some of their ads were a tad dishonest (!), the message was the right one.

    "I have no regrets." (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 09:19:05 AM EST
    The vagina monologue

    How appropriate (none / 0) (#33)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:33:44 AM EST
    He should always be referred to as a part of men's genatalua from now on.

    What the heck is/are "genatalua?" (none / 0) (#35)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:56:06 AM EST
    Is that a deliberate misspelling of "genitalia" in an effort to further mock the grammatically-challenged Peter Hansen?

    I think it means... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:03:05 AM EST
    gargantuan genitals.

    Of course you do... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:09:23 AM EST
    or maybe it's the medical terms for thinking with the little head instead of the big head...

    Or using your genitals... (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:18:42 AM EST
    as a spatula;)

    Dude, seriously, I think you need to ... (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:52:44 PM EST
    UHF! (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:22:23 PM EST
    That's a blast from the past...gotta love Weird Al.

    I thought you'd appreciate it. (none / 0) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:09:12 PM EST
    Wierd Al had his hands wrapped firmly around the neck of the Zeitgeist back in the '80s, and he sure had a knack for getting me to laugh at some really stupid things. I liked the "Wild Kingdom" segment with Raul, who was trying to teach little dogs how to fly.

    I wish it were so (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:08:45 AM EST
    All I can say is, I'm doing this on my phone and it's a typo.

    It sucks to try and be superior and all sanctimonious and then have the same kind of dumb error as the one originally being mocked.

    I hate that.  :)


    Just for fun, you should google it... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:12:24 AM EST
    apparently someone wrote and performed a song using that "word."

    But you can always.... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:20:25 AM EST
    count on Anne to catch it and bring it to your attention! ;)

    It's all good (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:38:19 AM EST
    I'm a grammar-freak myself, and I wish we had an edit feature around here, because I am always catching typos after I post something and it drives me nuts!

    I like that she keeps me honest.  :)


    That's how I feel about... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:56:30 AM EST
    sarcastic unnamed one and others calling me on my bullsh*t...I just can't sweat the grammar, I knew what you meant and that's all that counts.

    I call BS on that. (none / 0) (#60)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:00:41 PM EST
    Might be time to recalibrate... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:21:09 PM EST
    the b.s. detector my friend, that's genuine praise!

    All good, I was joking around. (none / 0) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:03:45 PM EST
    So my mom just hired me again... (none / 0) (#37)
    by Dadler on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:07:53 AM EST
    ...to do a little research/writing on her new documentary, this one about native grievances vs. corporate mining power along the pristine Wild Coast in the Eastern Cape of South Africa. This led me to re-watch her first doc, about her friends in education/social work in Egypt just prior to the Arab Spring. For a first effort, largely made by herself, it's an impressive and humane piece of work. Proud of mi madre for it, very proud. (link)

    You know those cuts to Medicare in Obamacare (none / 0) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:08:15 AM EST
    that only impacted Medicare Advantage plans

    April 2, 2013 - The final rate announcement for Medicare was to be announced yesterday but was a little delayed as the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid carefully worded the news release revealing a 3.3 percent increase for insurance companies offering Medicare Advantage plans, rather than the 2.2 percent reduction forecast in a February announcement.

    A twofer

    Tip to Wall Street on Medicare Rates Draws Scrutiny

    Obama's 2013 budget proposal wants to penalize people buying Medigap coverage but rewards the more Medicare Advantage which already costs the Medicare system with more money.

    Arrest made in (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 12:57:34 PM EST
    Boston Marathon bombing. Suspect was identified from security tape at Lord & Taylor according to the Boston Globe, CNN and the AP.

    Most sites say (none / 0) (#53)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:21:51 PM EST
    arrest imminent. AP says it's been made. Press Conference at 5:00pm.

    Sounds like a Lord & Taylor surveillance camera across the street from the 2nd site may have the person on video.


    And now (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:53:13 PM EST
    There are conflicting reports about an arrest.  Some sources say yes, some say no.

    I'm glad you clarified that. (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:58:24 PM EST
    I'd was having visions that the suspect had been caught on surveillance video while shopping at Lord & Taylor prior to planting his hardware.

    Oops! Apparently, CNN has ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:09:23 PM EST
    ... been channeling Gilda Radner's Emily Littella again. The FBI is now saying that there has been no arrest.

    Which is all to the good, of course, because nobody should ever again be subjected to a Richard Jewell-type moment, and have their life forever altered or ruined due to someone's reckless haste and sloppiness.


    How long (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:13:40 PM EST
    can you hold someone in custody without an arrest? And I presume it's different as to whether it's state or federal. So much chatter has me wondering if it's the forner but not yet the reported latter.

    From what I understand, ... (none / 0) (#80)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:51:37 PM EST
    ... and I'm speaking for myself only, I believe that law enforcement has thus far identified two possible suspects who appeared in a store security surveillance video, but that's the extent of it at present.

    That said, I have every confidence that they'll eventually catch the responsible parties.


    Correct (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:58:18 PM EST
    Soon after I posted it both Boston PD and the FBI said no one was arrested.

    Now the media (none / 0) (#72)
    by Slado on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:18:18 PM EST
    is asking the police to clarify all the mixed up reports because they ran with the story too early and mixed up reports.

    You knew this would be a hot mess and guess what?  It is.


    FBI scolds media (none / 0) (#75)
    by Slado on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:25:08 PM EST
    Contrary to widespread reporting, no arrest has been made in connection with the Boston Marathon attack. Over the past day and a half, there have been a number of press reports based on information from unofficial sources that has been inaccurate. Since these stories often have unintended consequences, we ask the media, particularly at this early stage of the investigation, to exercise caution and attempt to verify information through appropriate official channels before reporting," says the FBI's Boston office in a statement to the media.

    Haaaaa... (none / 0) (#83)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:57:17 PM EST

    For the top cops in the US they sure don't seem to understand the modern media.  One would struggle to find a national story in which facts were verified before print.

    I wonder sometimes, how many 'inside sources' are actually the imaginations of the 'reporter'.  How hard is it to validate if someone was arrested, and even if you get it wrong, doesn't matter because everyone is flocking to your website to get the 'facts' on the scoop.


    John King from CNN (none / 0) (#85)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:06:58 PM EST
    had the 'exclusive".

    Well (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:50:05 PM EST
    not all of them but CNN sure did and they should get a black eye for it. I'm sick of getting first instead of get it right.

    Of course, CNN is still an improvement over the NY Post that reported 12 people died and a Saudi National was being held.

    The problem was that CNN reported it and then some of them ran with CNN is saying blah, blah, blah. NBC News at least did it correctly.


    More Cowbell.... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:28:44 PM EST
    Another potential ricin-laced letter discovered, this one addressed to the president.

    I know it's inappropriate but I (none / 0) (#73)
    by Slado on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:20:55 PM EST
    chuckled a bit when I saw this report.

    As if the President opens his own mail.   All you're doing is hurting some flunky in the mail room.

    What an idiot.


    They've made an arrest (none / 0) (#102)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 07:06:06 PM EST
    in the ricin case. Hometown, Tupelo, Mississippi. He obviously isn't the brightest bulb down that way.

    I posted this in another thread (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 01:59:36 PM EST
    But I think it bears repeating as I found it to be nothing short of shocking.

    Seeking Gun or Selling One, Web Is a Land of Few Rules

    Great ... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Yman on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:32:26 PM EST
    ... article.

    Certainly not... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 02:19:17 PM EST
    heartwarming news, but I fail to see what is so shocking...you can buy meth online and that is totally prohibited, never mind guns.

    The internet is the 21st century version of the backalley, only it leaves a cyber trail that lasts forever.  I think the lack of busts is simply a question of a lack of law enforcement effort.  


    This part is not helpful, IMO (none / 0) (#74)
    by vicndabx on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:21:44 PM EST
    We will not be shamed by the yahoo creationism of the Louisiana public schools

    While I may not have those beliefs, I don't begrudge someone the right to do so.  Or maybe better put, dissin' someone isn't going to help them turn to your way of thinking.

    Wellll..... (5.00 / 4) (#82)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:55:24 PM EST
    except he was talking about creationism being taught in public schools -- which is, well, ridiculous.

    Agreed. It is beyond ridiculous. (none / 0) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 04:43:47 PM EST
    That said, I like to see issues resolved, and while I feel strongly about the issue, I also tend to choose my words wisely and carefully whenever I sense an opportunity to get people on the opposing side to listen to reason. It's hard to resolve anything politically when incindiary rhetoric burns the bridges.

    As the late Hawaii Gov. John Burns once quipped, "Any goddamned fool can draw a line in the sand -- and who am I to argue with one?"


    Exactly. (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:45:38 PM EST
    One can no more prove that God does not exist, than vice versa. That's why it's called "faith," because it's a belief which is held in the absence of evidence to support it.

    More to the point, political dialogue is only constructive when it's conducted in an atmosphere of mutual respect. To wit, when I call someone a "yahoo" -- or worse -- it's because I don't plan on engaging him in any meaningful way, other than perhaps shoving him roughly aside for retarding the scene.


    The Implication... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:02:22 PM EST
    ...that they could be swayed is hilarious.  That some were wondering over to evolution, and being called a yahoo drove them back.  If they were reasonable, they wouldn't believe in creationism to begin with.

    Using other people's money to indoctrinate kids into their belief system under the pretense of education is wrong and it should be called out at every opportunity.  It's not about what they believe, its about them using educations system to push their beliefs.  I don't care if they believe 2+3 is 8, just don't don't call it math and insist kids must learn both answers, 8 and 5.

    If this had nothing to do with religion and some idiot was claiming that gravity was a shame, that invisible beings pushed down on stuff and that's why it falls, everyone would be calling them Yahoos.  But someone brings god into the picture and that means and we have to respectful of their beliefs, no matter how ridiculous they are.


    Sorry, Should Be Up One Level (none / 0) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    comment you are replying to was (none / 0) (#107)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 10:42:39 PM EST
    deleted for the overly long url. Please everyone, put your urls in html format as they skew the site. Even tiny urls would be an improvement although not desirable, but comments with long urls will be deleted. I cannot edit them, only delete them.

    Obamacare strikes again (none / 0) (#76)
    by Slado on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:30:39 PM EST
    Regal cuts back work week

    Told ya so.  

    The list of told ya so's will keep going and this terrible piece of legislation will drag the Obama presidency down with it.

    Actually (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 03:54:27 PM EST
    I think Obamacare is just the excuse they are using to do what they want to do anyway.

    I would imagine that the economy has more to do with it than anything.


    It's the usual greed thing... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 11:21:10 PM EST
    The theater chain claims that it is simply trying to "manage [its] budget...in accordance with business needs." But that assertion rings hollow considering Regal's soaring profits and lavish executive compensation. In 2012, Regal's stock went up by over 20 percent, and every single major company executive, including the CEO, CFO, and COO, received a six-figure pay increase. CEO Amy Miles made off particularly well, with her pay rising by 31 percent to $4.45 million for the year, bolstered by a base salary increase of $750,000.

    It won't drag Obama down. He's run in his last (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:18:58 PM EST
    election. I think it will damage the Democratic Party. Coupled with Obama's desire to cut Social Security and screw up Medicare, and the willingness of Democrats in Congress (Pelosi, Durbin) to go along with him, well, let me just say that no one has done more to cement the power in Congress of the GOP than Obama.

    The biggest losers, as always, will be the American people, particularly the poor and the ever dwindling middle class.


    Which was obvious way back when (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:59:41 AM EST
    When he didn't want to be called a "Democrat" or encourage his followers to be active in Democratic party politics.

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