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Why President Obama's Chained CPI Pre-concession Was A Mistake

The People's View writes:

Why Obama and Democrats Should Strike a Grand Bargain and Leave Behind The Great Progressive Resistance When everyone digs in their heels, nothing gets done. As I have noted earlier this week, Paul Ryan apparently doesn't remember that his party and his ticket lost the election largely on the merits of their budget plans. House Republicans are digging in their heels, furiously opposed to any additional revenue and hell bent on ending the social safety net. But there also seem to be plenty of Democrats and liberals digging in their heels - Bernie Sanders being the leading contender of the mantle of Leader of the Great Progressive ResistanceTM - and are declaring themselves adamantly opposed to any meaningful reforms to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The argument appears to be that pre-concessions from the president and Democrats are necessary, and ultimately a good thing, because if they do not make a pre-concession, nothing will get done. I disagree with this negotiating approach. While it is true that Obama and the Dems can "get something done" by conceding points to the GOP, it is not by definition a good thing to get that "something" done. Moreover, the president does not even get credit for the pre-concession anyway.

More . . .

Consider the reaction of Beltway Insider Ruth Marcus:
In a strange way, though, the waiting-for-Obama budget scenario may increase its importance. Will the White House, for example, include its still-on-the-table proposal to change the way Social Security cost-of-living adjustments are calculated? This provision is noticeably absent from the budgets offered both by House Republican Paul Ryan and Senate Democrat Patty Murray. For Obama to include it would inflame liberals; to omit it would raise questions about his sincerity. [Emphasis supplied.]
Obama's pre-concession is now, in Ruth Marcus' mind (which is pretty reflective of Beltway CW), an agreed to deal point that the president and Democrats can not pull back from lest they be "insincere." The President's problem is this - he has given up a bargaining position in exchange for nothing. He has admitted that he is fine with Chained CPI and therefore the GOP will give him nothing for it in return. Remember what Marcus wrote:
This provision is noticeably absent from the budgets offered both by House Republican Paul Ryan and Senate Democrat Patty Murray.
Chained CPI has a constituency of 1 at this particular bargaining table - the president himself. The idea that the president is giving on Chained CPI to a demand for it from the GOP is not borne out by the facts. He is making a concession to Pete Peterson, who is not at the bargaining table and can deliver nothing for the president here. Here's my point-- even if you can live with Chained CPI (and I think it is a terrible idea) in exchange for revenue concessions from the GOP, as The People's View is advocating, the bargaining approach the president has adopted will not forward that result. To get revenue concessions from the GOP, the president will have to give up something else to the GOP (Medicare eligibility age? Pelosi has indicated that one would be real pain in her view, as opposed to Chained CPI.) Of course, it could be that the president is merely trying to look good to the Pete Peterson crowd in hopes of some good commentary from them. My own view is that good commentary from that crowd is pretty worthless politically and otherwise. But even if it was worth something, it is not and will not be forthcoming. They will not take sides, even if one side is arguing for what they say they want. All in all, there is no real logic to the approach the president has taken on Chained CPI.
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    All that (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:03:51 AM EST
    you have been writing is true but what do to about it? This is who Obama is. He has pre-conceded on almost every issue since 2010.

    Every time you write about this I wonder was he absent when they were teaching negotiating in law school. Obviously you were present in that class and paid attention. I always get to thinking that I sure would not Obama to be my lawyer.

    Imo, (5.00 / 7) (#17)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:37:18 AM EST
    it all becomes clear if you postulate the notion that Obama is not the least bit interested in negotiating. He is interested in capitulating. That is what he does, and has been doing these many years.

    Taking it a step further, he is not even capitulating.

    He is actively participating in the destruction of the values of the democratic party because either he is a doctrinaire conservative authoritarian at heart, or he is dutifully following the dictates of the corporate interests to which he is beholden.

    To me, that makes more sense that trying to figure out why Obama is such a poor negotiator: He isn't trying to negotiate.

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:20:44 PM EST
    with what you are saying. Whether Obama is a habitual capitulater or whether he's actually an authoritarian conservative, in the end of the day you get the same result.

    We're stuck with Obama and there's nothing we can do about that. So here we are--at the same place we have been for years. Obama will give away the store and in fact almost begging the GOP to take the store he is offering while the GOP keeps asking for more and more.

    Parent

    And yet (none / 0) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:02:42 PM EST
    the Republicans think they have been getting screwed and that's why Boehner will no longer negotiate.

    Parent
    I (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:12:22 PM EST
    think that the Republicans are thinking that they have gotten or are about to get everything they have ever wanted in their wildest dreams... So why negotiate? It's over. They won.

    Parent
    Why do we allow the Repubs (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:48:40 PM EST
    to determine the parameters of the dialog.  This obsession by the Dems with what Repubs think is an excuse for staking out their own views and policies.  I am so over this guise for rolling over.  Could you just have seen W while in WH having capitulated to the Dems this way and allowing them to frame the discussion?  

    Parent
    Boehner (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:16:34 PM EST
    won't even sit down with Obama because the GOP says Obama screws him over.

    Parent
    Oh... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:40:09 PM EST
    Boehner says....

    He's a big bu!!sh'ter in my opinion.

    Boehner and Obama are doing a pas de deux.

    Neither of them gives a rat's azz about what we think. Or I think, I should say.

    Parent

    I agree with you (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:48:35 PM EST
    neither of them care what you think.

    Parent
    I also agree (none / 0) (#59)
    by sj on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 01:05:37 AM EST
    But they don't care what you think, either.

    Parent
    People say lots of things (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 07:37:32 PM EST
    The Republicans keep (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:37:12 PM EST
    saying they are getting screwed because that is a great strategy. The more they repeat that refrain the more Obama is willing to give them. They have admitted in the past that Obama gave them more than they ever in their wildest dreams expected to receive.

    He has also personally said that people would be surprised just how much further he was prepared to go to get his Grand Bargain of benefit cuts and tax reform (i.e. cuts to rates).

    Parent

    And yet (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:58:13 PM EST
    taxes go up on the rich, Obama gets his health care program, and the Dem side of the sequester took all individual benefits from medicare, medicaid, and SS off the table.

    Sounds to me like Obama keeps putting things on the table for the GOP to mull over but ultimately gives them the finger which may explain why the GOP goes into an apoplectic rage everytime they negotiate

    Parent

    Oh God. (5.00 / 7) (#50)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:45:47 PM EST
    He got his healthcare program...

    And what did we get?

    And what did the in$urance companies get?

    You see things as Obama being victorious over the Republicans.
    I see Obama as implementing a Republican agenda.

    So, I guess we just see things differently.

    Parent

    Taxes went up slightly on the (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:58:25 PM EST
    very rich as part of the fiscal cliff. The Obama administration has stated plans to reduce tax rates for the very wealthy and corporations as part of his tax reform. OTOH he champions increasing the taxes on the middle class and the working poor through implementation of the chained CPI.  

    Obama's health insurance program continues to lose more aspects that might actually help reduce costs and help those who need care. In many cases it potentially will cause the very poor to lose more care.

    Fiscal Deal Kills New Funding For Health Law's Co-Ops

    14 state have refused to expand Medicaid and those living under the federal poverty line, yet still ineligible for Medicaid, will receive no help for insurance. Obama's health insurance program progressively reduces the amount the government pays hospitals to treat the uninsured. For those states who refuse to expand Medicaid, the uninsured will receive less care due to funding restraints.

    HHS has approved a plan to privatize Medicaid which increases the cost by $3,000 per person and will further jeopardize the program.

    Obama's health insurance program is being used to justify raising the eligibility age for Medicare.  
     

    Parent

    Obama also increased the amount of (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 06:06:48 PM EST
    estate tax giveaway to the very wealthy over and above what Bush gave them. Bush's estate tax giveaway was $3.5 million and Obama raised it to $5 million.

    - Estate tax giveaway costs billions. The estate tax rate will increase slightly to 40 percent this year with a $5 million exemption, but it would have gone to 55 percent with a $1 million exemption in the absence of a deal. As the Atlantic's Matt O'Brien noted, "Only 3,730 households will pay the estate tax next year if the exemption is set at $5 million, versus 47,170 if it's set at $1 million." link

    BTW this exemption will receive the current COLA adjustment and not the chained CPI that Obama wants to inflict on the sick, the elderly and the poor. I'm sure that this is needed because we all know the very wealthy will not be able to substitute a cheaper brand of caviar or a smaller yacht if prices increase.  

    Parent

    Yes, the COLA indexing ("unchained") (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:49:27 AM EST
    now places the initial $5 million estate tax exemption at $5.25 million ($10.5 million for opposite sex couples only).   American Taxpayers Relief Act of 2012, signed by the president, Jan 2, 2013.

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    Agree CG (none / 0) (#67)
    by Politalkix on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 04:23:12 PM EST
    I think Boehner has lost the appetite to get bullied or outmaneuvred by BHO inside a closed room and then get beaten up by tea partiers for caving in to the President after he steps outside. He has complained a number of times that the President does 90% of the talking ("lecturing" in his opinion)every time they get behind closed doors to negotiate.
    Asking the President why he likes making the first move is like asking Brazil or Spain why they like playing attacking soccer and opening up a game instead of just remaining crouched in a defensive position!

    Parent
    Unfortunately, they don't ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:12:27 AM EST
    ... teach negotiating in law school (although some schools may offer it as an elective).

    Parent
    Well, (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:23:53 PM EST
    if Obama took it as an elective, he certainly did not pay attention.

    Would you want him to be your lawyer? Can you imagine what he would do? You would end up with the worst possible punishment and his answer would be "it's the best i could do"

    Parent

    Perhaps he did take Negotiating 101 (none / 0) (#66)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:59:51 PM EST
    and as for his grade . . . well, I remind you that he is not releasing his transcripts.

    Parent
    Is it really a concession when someone is (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:25:09 AM EST
    tenaciously trying to pass legislation that he wants?

    He has been pursuing the Pete Peterson and the Fix the Debt CEOs crowd's agenda of cutting benefits and lowering the corporate and individual tax rate  under the guise of tax reform since before his inaugural in 2008.  

    Several commentors (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by NYShooter on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 04:13:41 PM EST
    have used the term, "revenue(s,)" in the current budget negotiation process. The theory, I guess, is that there are some concessions the Democrats are willing to offer in return for Republicans agreeing to some sort of revenue increases.

    From what I've seen it seems like the Democrats are floating all kinds of possible (potential) concessions while the Republicans are just sitting there, mute.

    And, since the term, "negotiations," has also been kicked around, I'm trying to make some sense out of what I'm reading regarding it.

    I know a little bit about negotiating, and, if I were the Democrat's point man here, the first question I would want resolved before saying another word, or taking a single step forward, is this: Are revenue increases "on," or, "off," the table? I have not seen, nor heard, anything from the Norquist servants that revenue increases are an option, regardless of what the Democrats surrender. Back, in a previous negotiation, The Republicans turned down a 10 to 1, spending cuts to tax increase, offer. What gives us the idea that things have changed since then? Why are the Democrats exposing a whole potpourri of cuts for the poor and middle class they are willing to "negotiate" away without a single reciprocal move by the R's?


    Someone Is Going To Have To Move First (none / 0) (#1)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 10:42:54 AM EST
    Chained CPI and related matters for the left are equate to Tax Increases on the right in terms of importance of the issue to the base.

    The dems have taken a very tough stand so far, but at some point someone is going to say that they will concede on something.

    The analysis above does not really look at the alternative of concessions on the table and the fact that it wasn't requested by either side is irrelevant.

    There is a line of thinking that says chained CPI concessions now are far easier to reverse later than the other things that O could concede.  So one argument is that he chose that as a bargaining chip because it is a much better concession than the other options on the table in terms of democratic ability to fix later.

    It is a delayed cut in benefits that won't be felt for some time while the other options are immediate changes that could be felt almost immediately.

    The reasons behind favoring it are fairly obvious in that context.  Obviously some would disagree with the logic, but there is a logic there.

    Someone has to move first (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 10:47:13 AM EST
    every time right?

    Why not give in on something the GOP actually asked for?

    Your comment really does not address my argument.

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    The things the GOP is asking for (none / 0) (#3)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 10:58:54 AM EST
    could actually be worse.

    To be fair, there is a lot of different analysis out there.  I found this to be very helpful in explaining the harm the concession would cause:

    Link

    What would be really helpful would be to have a left leaning econ-type look at each of the proposals the GOP is asking for and really dig in and rank them in terms of harm (both long term and short term).  And then do the same thing with CPI chaining and other proposals floating around.

    It's really hard to determine the best things to offer up because there isn't really good analysis crafted in that way.  The analysis is all geared towards showing the impact of individual proposals, but not comparisons among them with an eye towards a compromise that could work and be least damaging from a democratic perspective.

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    To be clear (5.00 / 7) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:12:51 AM EST
    I disagree with your suggestion of preconceding on anything.

    Actually I would be asking for things, and giving up on some of my asks as concessions.

    Parent

    Nothing but total agreement and high (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:17:20 AM EST
    praise for that position.

    Parent
    Agreed. BTD has (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:34:27 PM EST
    the correct negotiating position down.   Moreover, it is unseemly, to me, to throw social security in as a bargaining chip.  During the last campaign, Joe Biden said no cuts would be made to social security in a second Obama Administration.  And, the question remains, why are cuts to social security (via the lower measured rate of inflation that represents an annual cut that accumulates over time) a part of the deficit discussions when social security does not contribute to the deficit?

    When pressed, as I recall, the lovable Alan Simpson essentially acknowledged that, but it was a good opportunity to get at that "milk cow with 310 million tits."  The experimental way of calculating CPI was among key reasons that some Democrats walked away from that big steaming bowl of catfood.

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    This: (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by shoephone on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 02:16:26 PM EST
    And, the question remains, why are cuts to social security (via the lower measured rate of inflation that represents an annual cut that accumulates over time) a part of the deficit discussions when social security does not contribute to the deficit?

    That's the key point--and the only point that really matters--and it's the one that still hasn't been answered by any of the people proposing to slash SS as part of a budget deal.

    Parent

    You, (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:28:20 AM EST
    ABG, have already indicated that you are "ok" with cuts in entitlements. That is, and has been Obama's position for many many months. And it has been your position for just as long.

    I am not ok with it.

    To me, it is a betrayal of one of the pillars of the democratic party.

    But, that seems to be where we are with the current democratic party and its titular leader.

    The sooner we recognize the reality of what our two-party system has become, the sooner we can try to do something about it.

    As long as we settle for sh-t, the more they will serve us to us.

    Parent

    I do not want cuts in entitlements (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:23:32 PM EST
    And to be clear, I don't think that Pelosi, Reid or Obama are either.

    That is distinct from a firm belief that cuts will be necessary to get us through the cycle of a new self-imposed budgetary crisis every 3-4 months.

    We don't control the House and the senate is limited by filibuster so some concessions will have to be made.

    The question is (as BTD points out) when to offer the concessions, what to demand for them, and which concessions are acceptable.

    Let's just assume that most here would rather concede nothing because that's my sense, and move on to the more relevant question of strategy.

    I believe you are mistaking my (and perhaps dem leadership's) strategy for preferred optimal result.

    If dems were king, there would be no cuts.  They are not king.

    Parent

    Please inform us how the (5.00 / 8) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:44:45 PM EST
    Dems cutting Social Security benefits and increasing taxes on the middle class and the working poor is going to win back the House and maintain the majority in the Senate.

    You do realize that if Obama is successful in getting this legislation up for a vote the majority of the Republicans will vote NO and the only way it will pass is by a majority of the Dems voting YES. The Republicans will then truthfully campaign on the fact that the Dems cut Social Security and raised taxes on the working class.

    I question not only why you find cutting benefits acceptable but why you want to implement a political strategy that will result in Republican majorities in all levels of government for years to come.


    Parent

    We are talking about politics now? (none / 0) (#32)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:57:29 PM EST
    I thought we were focused on policy.  

    I do not believe that a grand bargain with something like chained CPI will result in GOP majorities.

    I think not fixing the economy and allowing these continuous budget battles will.

    But this discussion isn't about the politics.  This is about the strategy.

    Parent

    Oh, the Republicans are going to be (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:23:40 PM EST
    very, very quite about the fact that the Dems cut Social Security and raised taxes on the working poor and the middle class.

    Extremely bad policy such as the chained CPI not only does not fix the economy it is also extremely bad politics. Developing a strategy to inflict unnecessary pain on the majority of the citizens in this country is the equivalent of slashing both of your wrists and hoping that you won't bleed to death in the next several hours.

    Parent

    you are denying facts (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by TeresaInPa on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 08:36:03 AM EST
    FACT:  Obama wants to cut Social Security.
    FACT:  Preemptive concessions have never turned out well though Obama has ALWAYS negotiated this way even when democrats were in the majority.

    Michelle, is that you?

    Parent

    Just for the sake of accuracy (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by MO Blue on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 10:08:03 AM EST
    Obama alway has been on a mission to reform (i.e. cut) what he calls the entitlement programs.

    President-elect Barack Obama, Jan., 2008 interview on CNBC:

    "We expect that discussion around entitlements will be a part, a central part of those plans," Obama said at a news conference. "And I would expect that by February in line with the announcement of at least a rough budget outline we will have more to say about how we're going to approach entitlement spending." link

    Just to remind you, when Obama became president in 2008 the Democrats controlled the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives. Obama's optimal result even at the beginning of his first term was to put the safety net programs, especially Social Security, on the table.

    Parent

    I (none / 0) (#42)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:07:51 PM EST
    don't believe you.

    Because in a previous post, in the fever to promote Obama, you said that you were "ok" with cuts in entitlements.

    Obama is on the same page as the Republicans and so are you.

    Parent

    From the analysis I saw (via Bloomberg News) (none / 0) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:03:52 AM EST
    the GOP backed Paul Ryan plan wants to raise taxes for the middle class, cut taxes for the rich, and make large cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, and Pell grants.

    Which of those would you like the Dems to concede?

    Parent

    None of them (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:11:57 AM EST
    I was addressing ABG's argument, such as it was.

    Parent
    Thank you (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:18:12 AM EST
    You must wear really, really high boots (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:32:59 AM EST
    to be wading around in the midst of this talking point:

    There is a line of thinking that says chained CPI concessions now are far easier to reverse later than the other things that O could concede.  So one argument is that he chose that as a bargaining chip because it is a much better concession than the other options on the table in terms of democratic ability to fix later.

    We will leave aside the fact that Obama talked about cutting Social Security before the Republicans asked for any concessions at all and just deal with the subject of why Obama likes the chained CPI.

    The reason for implementing the chained CPI is because it is a devious way to cut benefits and implement a regressive tax increase after promising not to raise taxes for people making under $250,000 (the biggest hit goes to people in $30 - 40k range). Here is Erza Klein pointing that out:

    All told, chained CPI raises average taxes by about 0.19 percent of income. So, taken all together, it's basically a big (5 percent over 12 years; more, if you take a longer view) across-the-board cut in Social Security benefits paired with a 0.19 percent income surtax. You don't hear a lot of politicians calling for the drastic slashing of Social Security benefits and an across-the-board tax increase that disproportionately hits low earners. But that's what they're sneakily doing when they talk about chained CPI. link

    Matthew Yglesias on the same subject

    CPI Unchained
    The sneaky plan to cut Social Security and raise taxes by changing how inflation is calculated.


    Parent

    Well, this "moving first" thing is (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Anne on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:49:19 PM EST
    called "leadership," and it seems to me that part of "leading" is staking out a vision, and then coming up with an actual plan to turn that vision into reality.

    I get the feeling that your definition of "moving first" is what I would describe as "waving the white flag," giving up before ever doing anything else.

    Honestly, we've seen this so-called "strategy" so many times, and I can't think of a single time it truly advanced the cause - well, at least the causes as I see them.

    At a minimum, if there were going to be any conceding, it should be on something that, in large part, both sides actually agree on, where there are differences without much distinction.

    The problem I have is that Obama keeps coming back to that Grand Bargain, the plans as laid out by Simpson/Bowles - the ones that have been more or less dead in the water in Congress, but which Obama just won't let go of.  Does he cling to it because he thinks it's actually sound policy, or is he fixated on it because he sees it as more history-in-the-making, another "first" he can claim ownership of?

    Does Obama really not understand that if he would lead on good policy that would make real and positive differences in the lives of the majority of Americans, his legacy would take care of itself?

    Parent

    The logical result... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dadler on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:06:21 AM EST
    ...of having ZERO national imagination or creativity. The idea that Obama can't go right past these boobs to the American people and win the imaginative game of "sell you political product" is ludicrous. He is simply an imagination vacuum, and worse...he is a conservative personality by nature.

    When you have no leaders, anywhere, how is anything going to go forward.

    THIS is what he won a second term for.

    We are a civilization enslaved by fiat currency, an inanimate non-object of our own creation, and not even Obama can voice the absurdity.

    Tent, sorry, we. are. screwed.

    I am more interested in BTD's (none / 0) (#20)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:46:42 AM EST
    real question:

    whether now is the time to offer up chained CPI?

    Parent

    Exactly where in BTD's post did he (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:00:57 PM EST
    indicate that there was a "good" time to offer up chained CPI? I didn't get the idea that he thought there was a good time for it when he wrote this:

    While it is true that Obama and the Dems can "get something done" by conceding points to the GOP, it is not by definition a good thing to get that "something" done.

    Or this

    The idea that the president is giving on Chained CPI to a demand for it from the GOP is not borne out by the facts. He is making a concession to Pete Peterson, who is not at the bargaining table and can deliver nothing for the president here. Here's my point-- even if you can live with Chained CPI (and I think it is a terrible idea) in exchange for revenue concessions from the GOP, as The People's View is advocating, the bargaining approach the president has adopted will not forward that result


    Parent
    Actually (none / 0) (#10)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:15:35 AM EST
    They do teach mediation and negotiation in law school.

    They teach a lot of things ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:54:19 AM EST
    .. as electives in law school, hence the reason I said, "Unfortunately, they don't teach negotiating in law school (although some schools may offer it as an elective)."

    BTW - Mediation is not negotiation.

    Parent

    I went to law school (none / 0) (#27)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:27:49 PM EST
    I understand the differences. At my law school, the mediation class teaches negotiation strategy and is not an elective.

    No need to try so hard.  It's an irrelevant point.  I think Obama has people who have taken a negotiation class or two.  And he's now been through this a few times and likely has more experience in negotiating congressional deals than most people I'd think.

    The discussion is whether his tactic is the right one for this scenario.

    Parent

    Good for you, except: (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:24:25 PM EST
    1.  You're not Obama,
    2.  Your law school is not Obama's,
    3.  Your law school's requirement is not representative of law schools in general,
    4.  Mediation is still not negotiation (although now I understand why you tried to combine them),
    5.  Obama's "people" are not Obama, the guy who ultimately makes the decisions,
    6.  the "discussion" I was having was one about Obama's crappy negotiation skills, and
    7.  That was easy ... not "trying hard" in the least.


    Parent
    Mediation is not negotiation? (none / 0) (#55)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:04:02 PM EST

    Splitting hairs....

    Parent
    Yes, I suppose mediaiton (none / 0) (#56)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:14:57 PM EST
    is a term of art, but really, a class in mediation would necessarioy have to deal with negotition.

    Parent
    Lots of classes ... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 09:40:01 PM EST
    ... would "deal" with negotiation, to some degree.  But yes, mediation is not negotiation, and it's not a matter of "splitting hairs" or a "term of art".  Litigants who are negotiating are advocating for their client with a goal of achieving the best possible agreement for their client or, failing that, going to trial.  Mediators are impartial/neutral third parties trying to help the parties reach a "reasonable"/middle ground settlement they can both live with.

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    I'm a little confused, Yman (none / 0) (#58)
    by NYShooter on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 12:08:17 AM EST
    I realize you're describing "mediators," and not, "arbitrators," so why do you use the term, "litigants?" Doesn't that word indicate a legal proceeding where a binding decision would be handed down? In arbitration a decision will be reached and the two parties must accept that decision. In mediation a decision is simply suggested and the two parties are free to accept, or reject, said decision.

    Or, is the term, "litigants," broader than I thought, and could be used to describe two parties simply seeking a non-binding suggestion for a solution?

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    In the State of California, (none / 0) (#63)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 01:14:05 PM EST
    many ongoing, active lawsuits are settled via private mediation.  I think the Ninth Circuit, iirc, calls their settlement program a "mediation" program too.  There are such things as mediation review hearings, etc. before a judge to determine if you still need a trial date.  "Mediation" has become the fancy way of saying a settlement conference or a "negotiation."

    It is an expensive process.  JAMS got started in my backyard and can supply you a (retired judge) neutral for mediation for the bargain basement price of $8k per day.  But for whatever reason,  "mediations" work....the parties go to them with the idea the case will settle, and there is nothing as powerful as a self-fulfilling prophecy.  People just seemingly want the cover of a mediator telling them to settle.....  

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    Nope (none / 0) (#68)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 06:05:44 PM EST
    "Mediation" has become the fancy way of saying a settlement conference or a "negotiation."

    No it hasn't.  "Mediation" is one form of ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution), but it's not a "fancy way of saying a settlement conference or 'negotiation'".  A "settlement conference" typically occurs with the parties and their attorneys, but without a neutral, third-party mediator.  A negotiation could occur directly between the parties, but in the context of the function of attorneys, it usually happens when the attorneys negotiate, sometimes with and sometimes without the immediate participation of their clients.  Both are different than arbitration (also offered by JAMS), in which a neutral third-party hears evidence and arguments presented by the parties or their attorneys, then renders either a non-binding recommendation or a binding ruling.

    As far as the cost, mediation is used in all types of cases, but JAMS is probably near the top of the cost pyramid.  Private mediators typically charge hourly at rates similar or identical to what they would charge when acting as an attorney.  In NJ, this is usually in the $200-$300/hour range, although complex litigation matters requiring unusual expertise (or a former judge) might command a somewhat higher fee.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#72)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:42:45 AM EST
    It sure is here in the Mecca of litigation.  Many, many contracts specifiy JAMS.

    Settlement conferences are not done without a nuetral here.  They are done free with a judiical officer, typically an attorney volunteer. Settlement conferences are othewise indistinguishable from mediations.  

    And, Lord love a duck, I know what a mediation is.  And this insufferable know-it-all lecture from someone deliberatley obnoxius.  For Pete sake, the founders of JAMS are retired Judges that have done some of my arbitrations years ago....    

    A $300 mediator in SoCal?.  Not likely.

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    You should read more slowly (none / 0) (#73)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:09:58 AM EST
    It sure is here in the Mecca of litigation.  Many, many contracts specifiy JAMS.

    Socal is the "Mecca of litigation"? - Heh.  That's nice that you think so.


    Settlement conferences are not done without a nuetral here.  They are done free with a judiical officer, typically an attorney volunteer. Settlement conferences are othewise indistinguishable from mediations.
     

    The discussion wasn't about SoCal specifically.  The discussion was about mediation and how it differs from negotiations.  That's great that "many" (heh) contracts there specify JAMS.  That's great that you call your ESPs (Early Settlement Panels) "settlement conferences".  Have you ever met with another attorney to discuss a settlement?  Guess what - you just had a "settlement conference"!  But the fact that you think those conferences are "otherwise indistinguishable from mediations", then claim to know what mediation is ...

    ... is just funny.

    And, Lord love a duck, I know what a mediation is.  And this insufferable know-it-all lecture from someone deliberatley obnoxius.  For Pete sake, the founders of JAMS are retired Judges that have done some of my arbitrations years ago....
     

    Congrats on that.  Maybe the next time you see them, you can get them to explain the difference between arbitration and mediation, or settlement conferences and mediation, or a negotiator and a mediator ...

    A $300 mediator in SoCal?.  Not likely.

    Really?  Once again, not that I was talking about SoCal, but you really seem be striking out today - since there's at least one right in your back yard charging $300/hour.  Her's another charging $225/hour.

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    Ah, Family law (none / 0) (#77)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 01:49:33 PM EST
    Not my area of practice.  So, you are a Family Law mediator?

    And SoCal is where you have more and more complex cases than almost anywhere else.  Northern District of Caliornia and the Southern District of New York are right there too.  

    And, sure you can find anything and everything in LA.   In terms of competent professional mediators who handle civil litigation, $300 would be very rare.....if such a person exists.

    Do you like being deliberately insulting?

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    Just following your lead (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 04:57:52 PM EST
    And if you can "find anything and everything in L.A.", why were you suggesting you couldn't find a mediator for $300/hour?  Took about 30 seconds on Google, despite the fact that most mediators (and attorneys) don't post their rates on their websites.

    But if you try to marrow it further - from mediators to competent, professional mediators specializing in complex civil litigation - you might be able to make it difficult or even impossible.  How about competent, professional mediators specializing in federal budget negotiations, with red hair and cornflower-blue eyes?

    That might do it ...

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    Or, alternatively (none / 0) (#85)
    by sj on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 08:02:14 PM EST
    one could turn $300/hr into just $300.

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    You're correct (none / 0) (#64)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:42:40 PM EST
    I contrasted it with "litigants" because GA6thdem raised it in the context of negotiation being taught in law school.  Law school trains lawyers to prepare for litigation and (as part of that process) to attempt to negotiate a settlement while acting as an advocate for their client.  Litigating attorneys will sometimes use the services of an arbitrator (either binding or non-binding) who will make either a recommendation or binding decision, or the services of a mediator who makes non-binding "suggestions" and guides the discussion toward a resolution.

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    A law school class in mediation (none / 0) (#62)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 01:03:54 PM EST
    would teach new lawyers how to be a professional mediator?  Not likely.

    Such a class would necessarily teach one how to negotiate in a mediation.

    This is such a baloney conversation.

    One, ABG's class would have clearly taught negotiation skills.  You are just trying to bus his chops--over nothing.

    Two, I doubt any class could teach someone how to negotiate.  The best way to learn such skills imo is watching how others mess up.....

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    Three, ... (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 03:54:07 PM EST
    A law school class in mediation would teach new lawyers how to be a professional mediator?  Not likely.

    Such a class would necessarily teach one how to negotiate in a mediation.

    No - such a class would teach someone how to act as a mediator, not a negotiator.  It may touch on some negotiation strategies (as a small part of mediation), but it's an entirely different process and the role of the mediator is much different than that of an advocate negotiator.  Unfortunately, Obama spent his first term acting as a mediator, not a negotiator.

    Four, ...

    This is such a baloney conversation.

    It is, but sometimes I feel better helping ease the confusion of those who don't know what they're talking about.  BTW - I've been a professional mediator for over 10 years.

    Five, ...

    One, ABG's class would have clearly taught negotiation skills.  You are just trying to bus his chops--over nothing.

    Sorry you think so.  See three and four, supra.

    Two, I doubt any class could teach someone how to negotiate.  The best way to learn such skills imo is watching how others mess up.....

    Six, ...

    Experience is without a doubt, the best learning tool.  That being said, a course in negotiation could be extremely helpful to someone without much experience.

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    Hnh. I would have pegged you as (none / 0) (#69)
    by observed on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:15:06 PM EST
    more the arbiter type, seeing how you deal with some folks here:)

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 16, 2013 at 09:18:29 PM EST
    Maybe it's just easier to put up with BS when you're billing hourly.  :)

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    No, you are still twisting this (none / 0) (#71)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:31:10 AM EST
    What class in law school would teach law students to act like mediators?

    No one would hire a mediator right out of law school.

    And, congratualtions on being a mediator for ten years.....Your bedside manner needs improving.

    I've been doing this for awhile.....

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    You've "been doing" what? (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:19:23 AM EST
    Making $hit up?

    Congrats - but my "bedside manner" doesn't extend to that.  Unless, of course, you want to pay $300/hour.

    What class in law school would teach law students to act like mediators?

    No one would hire a mediator right out of law school.

    Uhhhhmmmmmmm, just a wild guess here, but I'm thinking a course in mediation would teach law students to mediate - like the course offered at Harvard Law.

    Of course, that would be a different course than their negotiation workshop.

    But maybe you should let them know they're just wasting their time.  After all, ...

    ... who's going to hire a negotiator right out of law school?

    Heh.

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    I have never even heard of mediator (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 01:44:18 PM EST
    less than 40.

    Maybe in Family Law.  But in Civil Litigation cases....hire some Harvard hot shot to mediate your complex civil case?

    Maybe where you practice....

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    Ahhhhhh, ... you've never "heard of" it (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:01:05 PM EST
    Seems to be a lot of that.

    You keep trying to narrow down my statements so that they won't fit into your argument, but it's not working.  From mediation generally to mediation in SoCal.  From mediator rates generally to mediator rates in complex, civil cases.

    Heh.

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    Well civil litigation in SoCal (none / 0) (#80)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:03:09 PM EST
    is pretty significant slice of litigation nationwide.

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    "Significant" = Somewhere under 5% (none / 0) (#94)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 10:37:30 AM EST
    Meh.

    Less than 5% of all civil cases doesn't make you representative of mediation or civil litigation in general, particularly in terms of expense given that SoCal is much more expensive than the vast majority of the country.  Your "slice" is somewhere around 5% (or less) of the civil cases filed in the US.  In 2010, there were 1,235,000 civil cases filed in the entire state of California.  there are no figures for SoCal alone, but let's be generous and assume that - being a major, metropolitan area - 80% of all California cases were filed in SoCal.  That would mean that SoCal had @ 988,000 civil cases filed.  This would represent @ 5% of all cases filed in the US.  "Significant" - sure, much less than NY (1,714,000) and Florida (1,471,000).  Oh, yeah, ...

    ... and even New Jersey (1,023,000).

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    Well, this discussion was (none / 0) (#81)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:08:49 PM EST
    about the negotiations between Obama and Congress.   Are those more like Family Law mediations or complex civil cases?

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    Neither (none / 0) (#83)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 04:32:42 PM EST
    It's a contract negotiation between two parties with a history of distrust and a great deal of enmity.

    Oh, ...

    ... wait ...

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    Or, family law mediators (none / 0) (#86)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:10:40 PM EST
    in New Jersey.....

    Who is being more narrow here?

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    Oh, for the love of God, if the two if you (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Anne on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:23:12 PM EST
    don't have anything to offer on the issue of chained CPI, maybe you could stop this ridiculous argument that equates to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - or exchange e-mails and do it off-blog.

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    Dead thread, no? (none / 0) (#89)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:30:07 PM EST
    But not an Open Thread, yes? (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Anne on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:16:26 AM EST
    When I see there are new comments to a thread on an issue/subject that I've been interested in, it's disappointing to see that it's not relevant and is just part of a pissing contest that's already clogged up a great deal of the comments section.

    You know Yman will never give up, don't you? That's why I suggested you two go off-blog with it - if it's really that important that one of you prevail, that is.

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    Not me (none / 0) (#93)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:48:33 AM EST
    I didn't limit it to Family Law mediators in NJ.  He//, I can find mediators in the $300/hr range pretty much anywhere - as I've already proven to you when I showed you some from your own (imaginary) Mt. Olympus.

    But I guess if it's outside of your area of practice (whatever that is), or SoCal, or you "haven't heard of it", it just doesn't exist.

    Heh.

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    The Harvard course (none / 0) (#79)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:01:16 PM EST
    description states in part:  "Students will have opportunities to try mediating and serving as an advocate in mediation."  (Emphasis Added.)

    So, negotiaring skills are taught in this class.  It is not just a class in how to be a mediator, which would be useless....

    No one hires someone just out of law school to mediate a civil case.  Well, perhaps there has been someone foolish enough to do that.  But I have never seen it done....

    And, this Harvard course sounds just like the course ABG was talking about--where negotiating skills are taught.

    So, you are a professional mediator in family law cases?

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    Who said anything about ... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 02:21:40 PM EST
    ... limiting it to civil, non-family matters?  Moreover, who said anything about hiring someone straight out of law school to mediate?  Oh, right, ... that would be your attempt at trying to attack my points.

    You're failing.

    BTW - "Negotiating skills" are taught (to some level) in many classes, but the role of a negotiator and a mediator are not the same.  All courses in mediation will "deal with" negotiation strategies, but negotiation and mediation are not the same thing - probably why Harvard offers courses in each, as opposed to a single course.  But it's nice to know that you think it "sounds like' the course ABG was talking about.

    BTW - I've mediated numerous types of cases - family law/divorce, contracts, personal injury, real estate ...

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    You extrapolate from Family Law mediations (none / 0) (#88)
    by MKS on Sun Mar 17, 2013 at 09:29:11 PM EST
    in New Jersy, while leaving out SoCal--the birthplace of modern mediation and JAMS--in order to lecture the rest of us about definitions of what a mediation is and what a settlement conference is?

    I am bullish on SoCal tonight.  No, we have demurrers instead of 12(b)6) motions, deciding long ago to keep our common law system instead of of following the Feds...And, we don't need no stinkin' NFL teams here either....

    If it ain't here, or the City (not to be confused with New York) or Manhattan, it don't matter....

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    No, I didn't (none / 0) (#92)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 18, 2013 at 08:39:23 AM EST
    I cited NJ as an example of how your premise about mediation in general (in which you made general statements about mediation based on SoCal and JAMS) was not representative of mediation in general.

    Your beliefs to the contrary, the world (and the law) does not revolve around what you do in SoCal - but at least you now know you mediation doesn't have to cost $8,000/day - even in your tiny universe.

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    Pelosi is on a similar track (none / 0) (#13)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:19:29 AM EST
    I do think there is a strategy behind it.  It may not be a good strategy, but this can't be a coincidence.

    "House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said on Thursday that she would be willing to consider switching to a new inflation calculation, known as "chained CPI," for various entitlement programs such as Social Security as part of a broader package designed to reduce the deficit.

    "In terms of C.P.I., I have said let's take a look at that," she said at a weekly press briefing in Washington. "What is it -- there are elements in our party, who have said that we can do this without hurting the poor and the very elderly. So let's see what that is. There are others who are objecting to it plain and simple. I have to say if we can demonstrate that it doesn't hurt the poor and the very elderly, then let's take a look at it because compared to what? Compared to what? Compared to Republicans saying Medicare should wither on the vine? Social Security has no place in a free society? These are their words. These are their words."

    Pelosi... (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:39:37 AM EST
    You are referring to the person who become speaker of the House in 2006 with an unambiguous mandate to end the war in Iraq... the one who, a few months later, endorsed Bush's sending of 50,000 more troops into that nightmare... That Pelosi?

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    Clearly (none / 0) (#19)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 11:45:54 AM EST
    we should go with the non-existent option of not compromising on anything.

    That should work.

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    A (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by lentinel on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 03:09:27 PM EST
    drivel answer.

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    It worked real well for (none / 0) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02:39 PM EST
    Whoops didn't mean to post that (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:04:14 PM EST
    Changed my mind about making a comment but hit the wrong button. Sorry.

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    Good Gawd (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by ruffian on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:11:35 PM EST
    So she thinks chained CPI is a bargaining chip to be used against the most extreme GOPers saying "Social Security has no place in a free society"? No GOPer at the table is saying anything like that at all. They know it is political suicide.

    So it seems Obama and Pelosi are negotiating with straw men.

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    Seems to me, ruffian (none / 0) (#34)
    by christinep on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:15:48 PM EST
    That Pelosi is attempting an "I'm so reasonable I'd even consider the CPI proposal IF, IF, IF you Repubs first show & demonstrate how that would protect the poor and elderly"
    set-up   My guess is that she & the Dem leadership know full well that the Repubs cannot answer the IF that she has very publicly put out there as condition for all--especially the public audience--to digest.

      The "negotiation" at the WH level is different than straightforward legal negotiation.  It has to be because the players must posture for many different audiences...it is not simply about attorneys and limited clientele.  It is about short and long term gains among an unusually large & changeable client called the public.  And, as history reinforces for these public political players, we public grow tired quickly over long stand-offs & conclude quickly that if the politicians aren't seen (again & again) as willing to offer compromises, we disapprove. Yes, we public cry "a pox on both their houses" and turn away.  Nancy Pelosi & all the leadership knows that the long-term governmental interests are decided eventually by the  eventual participant...by those who vote.  That is how the "negotiation" looks to me.

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    Let Me Try This (none / 0) (#31)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 12:53:30 PM EST
    I think the question is basically "why would Obama lead with this concession".

    In reading about the back and forth, Obama has made it fairly clear that chain CPI would have to be tied to increased revenues through loophole deductions for the wealthy and other matters.

    But why chained CPI among the options both on the table and off of the table.

    One reason: in many analysis, the end result of chain CPI is higher taxes in the medium to long term.  It is fairly complicated from what I understand, but that's a clear impact.

    So one reason Obama and others are going this route (in addition to what I originally suggested) is this tax increase consequence.  

    "New figures from the Congressional Budget Office show that the idea would raise significantly more money on the tax side, now that the fiscal-cliff deal is done -- $124 billion over a decade, compared with about $72 billion in a 2011 estimate. (The comparison isn't exactly apples-to-apples, but pretty close.)

    Why the big change? Because the fiscal-cliff deal exempted many millions of taxpayers from the dreaded Alternative Minimum Tax in future years. That means those folks will be paying under the regular tax instead of the AMT. And the regular tax brackets would be subject to the new chained-CPI change, if it ever happens. So over the years, more people would pay somewhat more in tax, because they would move up to higher tax brackets slightly faster."

    Link

    This is why, in examining concessions that might be proposed I think a good comparison between them is necessary.  Look at each in a vaccuum and you can't tell if one would be less harmful than another.

    If someone has something like that that they have found, I would love to see it.

    Do you even bother to read the write ups on (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:12:05 PM EST
    who gets the majority of the tax increases using the chained CPI.

    AMT in theory was designed to make sure that people making a lot of money pay something in the way of taxes. The chained CPI makes sure that the working poor and the middle class pay more in taxes so that people making a lot of money don't have to pay their fair share.

    It is a REGRESSIVE TAX. People making between $30,000 - $40,000 per year will experience the biggest hit.  

    It results in higher taxes on the working poor and the middle class. Wealthy people are already in the highest tax bracket and while the working poor and the middle class will continuously see their taxes increase, these increases will barely impact the wealthy if at all.

    There is reams of data on exactly how the chained CPI is a regressive tax so please educate yourself before you try to pass this off as anything other than a devious way to cut benefits and increase taxes on people making a lot less than $250,000 a year.  

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    Here let me try repeating this one more time (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 15, 2013 at 01:35:17 PM EST
    This is from Erza Klein (not exactly on record as an Obama hater). I posted this earlier but maybe you missed it.

    You don't hear a lot of politicians calling for the drastic slashing of Social Security benefits and an across-the-board tax increase that disproportionately hits low earners. But that's what they're sneakily doing when they talk about chained CPI.

    Some key words contained in that paragraph are "drastic slashing of Social Security benefits" and "tax increase that disproportionately hits low earners."

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