Trump Unplugged in California: Advocates Torture

As the media focuses on the Trump protesters at his rally last night in Orange County, CA, I hope it doesn't overlook what Trump is saying -- to cheers of his supporters. For one thing, he's back to advocating torture. The LA Times reports on what it calls his "raw" performance.

Donald Trump put his roughest edges on display Thursday night in Costa Mesa as he opened his California primary campaign with a raw performance highlighting his hard-line views on illegal immigration and torture while trashing an array of rivals.

He criticized Ted Cruz for not supporting torture: [More...]

“He’s actually a very weak person, so he didn’t like it,” Trump said. “I’d go many steps further than waterboarding — many, many steps further.”

The crowd rewarded him with "another huge burst of cheers."

Trump appearances increasingly evoke an image of a circus coming to town. I wonder how many people show up just to witness his carnival barking and be part of the scene.

Do we need to be worried about Trump taking California or even Orange County in November? Orange County used to be California's most Republican stronghold -- but it's diversified over the past decade:

Orange County’s population has diversified, with an influx of Asian and Latino residents slowly diminishing the political clout of whites.

A decade ago, Republicans were 48% of Orange County’s registered voters; now they are 40%. Democrats have risen from 30% to 32%, while nonpartisans grew from 18% to 24%.

State-wide, there are far more Democrats than Republicans in California.

Trump is creating a tinder-box with his outrageous and irresponsible comments, but I still don't believe he'll be a significant threat in November. As I opined the other day, we were raised better.

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    Orange County (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 08:38:07 AM EST
    It depends where you are in Orange  County.  Northern Orange County is very diverse and Democratic.   It has a very, very large Latino population in Anaheim-Santa Ana.  It has the largest Vietnamese population outside of Vietnam.

    Irvine has a large Korean population with store signs in Korean.  The University of California at Irvine has a enrollment that is majority Asian.

    Southern Orange County and the Beach Cities is  Beach Boys/white Orange County--what is thought of by most when they think of Orange County.  But it has become more Libertarian than straight line conservative.  And there are a lot of liberals along the coast.


    Shows how often I go to Orange County ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:33:07 PM EST
    ... for its own sake, rather than simply pass through on my way to or from San Diego. I had no idea its Vietnamese population was that big now. No wonder my brother refers to Garden Grove as "Little Saigon." Up north, San Jose also has a large Vietnamese presence.

    When I was little and after my father died, my mother had the fleeting notion that we would live in Laguna Beach or San Clemente, because that was her favorite place to go when she was a teenager and unmarried young adult. But alas, my grandparents' appeals to her common sense ultimately prevailed, so she relocated us back to Pasadena to be closer to her family. Probably for the best, because as you noted, San Clemente is oh so very Beach Boys white.



    "You folks are looking at (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:40:46 AM EST
    the most prepared man in history to step in as president of the U.S" said the legendary Indiana coach, in his introduction of the real estate developer/reality show guy who never so much as served as dog catcher (no offense to dog catchers)at an Indiana rally.

    Coach Knight enthused as Trump followers are want to do: Trump will be one of the four best presidents, ever. Harry Truman being one, the other two he kept close to his sweater vest. My speculation is: Buchanan (Pat) and Curtis LeMay. While Knight may have gotten his Buchanans mixed up, and LeMay only made it to a great Stanley Kubrich parody, that would not matter.  Knight, as with Trump, is not taken with details.  

    Trump, like Truman, would drop a nuke. And, Truman, like Trump, was said not to be presidential. But Truman dropped that bomb in 1944 "saving billions of US lives."  Which, of course, is curious that a US Senator from Missouri would be dropping a nuclear bomb at that time, and even more so, in that a nuclear weapon was not yet ready for dropping in 1944. But, saving billions of Americans is, it must be granted, presidential.

    The crowd loved it and Trump nodded, in equal parts  agreement and appreciation.  But, then the rally was better than hearing Fiorina sing.

    Oh My God (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:45:26 AM EST
    It makes my head hurt.

    Watching the Indiana Governor right now. Do these people really believe the words coming out of their mouths, or is this the most pathetic arse kissing submission to crazy evah?


    I'm just going to have to avoid (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:53:59 AM EST
    All Trump coverage to stay migraine free. I could skirt around it but he's the chosen now. Ability to channel surf around it is over. I can't be the only person in this country being forced in that direction. It's too offensive. A person is going to have to be a sociopath to remain stress/horrified symptom free from now till November. I'm not embellishing, I'm really not going to be able to do this. And I can't be alone. Will the barf factor affect Trump press coverage?

    What makes it doubly perplexing is (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:05:47 PM EST
    that his proposals are schizophrenic. One personality is loaded with ideas only a sadistic monster would float out there.....torture, round up & ship out 12 million "illegals, "America First" nonsense, etc.

    And then, he has another personality that sounds pretty reasonable.....Against trade deals that lose jobs, Against succumbing to lobbies, For Soc. Sec. & Medicare, For making companies pay a price for outsourcing factories & jobs, For Universal health Care (minus abortions) etc.



    I just heard him say (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:38:06 PM EST
    In response to the challenge of getting into the California rally something about it being like crossing the border. Is he just trying to set the nation on fire?

    And Ana Navarro soldiers on (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:44:41 PM EST
    Apparently Donald Trump can say anything and everything and she won't ever be offended....sheeeesh. No limits

    Yeah, instead of whining about (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:49:00 PM EST
    how awful it was that a bunch of protesters had blocked his entrance into a hotel he was speaking at he just got out of his car and went around to the side.

    American can do at its best.


    Exactly Jim (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 07:03:27 PM EST
    The next time someone cuts in front of me in a long line, the next time there is no paper on the roll, the next time in a restaurant when I taste my tea and mistakenly it is sweetened, I'll just yell the N word and not take my "frustrations" out on anyone. That's how healthy people do it...or at least Real Americans.

    i suspect (none / 0) (#52)
    by linea on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 07:32:21 PM EST
    his consultants crafted a very serious and researched middle-class populous platform.  so he espouses that.  then sometimes (as in too often) he adlibs what he really thinks. thus, he seems schizoprenic.

    Bobby Knight, the Entertainer (none / 0) (#10)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:11:44 PM EST
    The 2 Entertainers ... Trump & Knight could do a stand-up routine in Indiana with a little soft-shoe thrown in for applause.  Add a chair prop for Coach Knight, and the crowd would go wild.

    As one who spent undergrad and grad years in Indiana, what memories their show revives.  What trumped everything then--abominable behavior aside--was "He wins basketball games."  (We would all gulp something down to divert from whatever the latest Knight tirade was, because...basketball. Really.)


    ... to play Hawaii in the season opener. Unfortunately for him, his Hoosiers ran into a buzzsaw and were annihilated by a very good Rainbows team. But surprisingly, he seemed entirely subdued as though he'd been medicated -- no angry tirades or tantrums, no shouting at his players. No nothing. He just sat there, and played the part of coach / elder statesman. Afterward, he shook Hawaii coach Riley Wallace's hand and congratulated him and his team, and was gracious to the local media.

    I was sorta disappointed by Knight's somnolence. Maybe the fact that the game wasn't even close had something to do with his mellowness, as though he realized that there was absolutely nothing he could do to alter the evening's trajectory, and simply accepted his team's fate.

    Then he and his boys returned to Bloomington, and the very first game back he threw a chair and was ejected.

    Go figure.


    Erratic? (none / 0) (#28)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:21:49 PM EST
    But then, the Trump that he endorses definitely flips back & forth in mood (to say the least.) Are they Acting or are they on the Edge of Loony Toons?  

    'Loved your Knight recollection.


    Coaching is teaching that requires selling. (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:28:10 PM EST
    You have to know what to say, how to say it and when to say it. That means you also have to know the individuals and how they blend to make a team.

    He probably figured the team in HI needed to see that they could be beat if he wasn't involved. The chair toss was to show his involvement.


    It wouldn't have mattered. They lost, 84-67. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:54:58 PM EST
    But in all fairness to Bobby Knight, that season's Hoosiers squad was probably one of the weaker teams he fielded in his long career, whereas the Rainbows that year had arguably the best backcourt tandem in college basketball in Anthony Carter and Alika Smith. And three weeks after dumping Indiana, Hawaii took out then-No. 1 Kansas by a 76-65 count.

    The 1997-98 Rainbows eventually finished at 27-6, losing to Syracuse in the first round of the NCAA tourney. Until this season's 28-5 team, they were considered by many out here to be the best to ever wear a Hawaii uniform, and there are probably more than a few long-time fans who still think that. They were runners-up in the WAC that season to No. 2 Utah, the team which eventually took Kentucky to the limit in 1998 NCAA championship game before falling.

    So, Indiana actually came into Honolulu that season overmatched, and Coach Knight likely realized that pretty early in the game, because the Hoosiers were never in it from the opening tipoff. Had they somehow managed to make a game of it, perhaps we would have seen him more animated and involved.



    mellow, eh? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:12:09 PM EST
    Sounds like the Coach got lucky with some maui wowie.

    Mark Halperin, whose very presence on cable news renders him the poster child for the perils and pitfalls of social promotion policies, seems to believe that Trump could put California in play, at least enough to "make Clinton play defense."

    Joe Scarborough's eyebrows almost rose to his hairline in obvious surprise, and he all but laughed in Halperin's face, telling him point blank that since Pete Wilson's toxic tenure as governor, California has become an electoral wasteland for Republicans. Yet Halperin doesn't back down, further crediting Arnold Schwarzenegger with "rebuilding the GOP with the power of his celebrity."

    What was MSNBC thinking, giving the dimwitted Halperin his own TV show?

    Halperin (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:33:16 PM EST
    is just a mess. People have to knock him into reality on a daily basis.

    I really don't understand how ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:14:40 PM EST
    ... Mark Halperin ever managed to attain his present level in his profession. Because every time I see him in TV or read one of his articles, he strikes me as the equivalent of a 25-watt bulb that's been screwed into a 100-watt socket. He's just not very astute, observant or even aware.

    Further, he frequently tries to fake his way through a discussion by offering up so many obvious generalities and shopworn platitudes that I honestly find him embarrassing to watch because it insults my intelligence. I can only conclude that the guy must compensate for those shortcomimgs by being an extraordinary hobnobber, schmoozer and kiss-a$$.



    Armando retweeted an article (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:56:02 PM EST
    about the way primaries work in CA. Worth reading. Doesn't apply to presidential nominees but to every other contest. Top two vote-getters proceed to a run-off.

    David Dayen. Fiscal Times. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 04:00:56 PM EST
    It's an intriguing process. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:15:33 PM EST
    All candidates are thrown into a single pool for the June primary, regardless of political affiliation. If one of them receives 50% + 1 (or more) of the vote in that primary, that person is considered elected to the post, even though there would be a six month-plus interim before he or she is formally sworn into office the following December or January. But if nobody polls above that majority threshold in June, then the top two finishers face each other in a November runoff.

    CA wound up with several (D) vs. (D) runoffs for congressional seats as a result of that change in process. And after redistricting, one of those runoffs in 2012 pitted two Democratic incumbents, Brad Sherman and Howard Berman, against one another for the San Fernando Valley's U.S. House seat. That contest got really nasty and personal before Sherman finally prevailed.

    The odds are also better than even that this year's election to replace the retiring U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer will be an all-Democratic affair come November, because the top two candidates in the polls, CA Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris and Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, will likely finish 1-2 in the June primary, thus eliminating all three GOP candidates.



    and is it any wonder our children (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:46:36 AM EST
    look at us in shock? two candidates for the highest office, advocating actions that got many people hung after ww2.

    Whenever I see/hear a politician (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 09:44:08 AM EST
    Advocate for torture anymore, I see and hear an American volunteering for SERE training.

    If a little torture is okay and a lot is even better, I assume that since the Donald won't be busy Presidenting he'll be at some sort of SERE training showing all of us weaklings how the strong live and succeed this December. If he does it the first half of December he should show up for Christmas dinner at his best, confident and strong. A great American!

    No mention of the protestors? (none / 0) (#6)
    by NycNate on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    I can not say I am surprised you didn't mention the violent protests.  Maybe you don't think it was violent.  The behavior I saw from the anti-Trump crowd is going to drive people to vote for him.  Nothing he has said is nearly as bad as the behavior last night and the fiasco in Chicago.  

    Ignorant fools proving Trump's point... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Aspidistra on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:18:20 PM EST
    Are a bad look for the Democrats.  We should be doing our best to keep these anti-Trump protests peaceful - not making excuses for the violent morons who show up for a bit of "fun" and who have most likely never voted in their lives.

    There are jerkoffs and attention-getters at every rally, agreed, but pretending that what these yahoos are doing is okay is as unacceptable as the violence itself.  The violent acts that these "counter-protestors" (I don't think that they showed up for anything besides trouble) are engaging in is unacceptable, and even worse, they are making Trump look reasonable!  It's a really bad look and the Democrats should be working to stop this nonsense.

    The only people who should be looking unhinged are the supporters of Trump.


    Agreed. Stay classy, and Keep the (none / 0) (#12)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:22:16 PM EST
    Aspidistra Flying.

    Made me google. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:59:12 PM EST
    As someone who has taken (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:28:18 PM EST
    Part in protests more recent than the 60s, there is no way to uninvited the anarchists. Sorry, but there isn't. And they do only show up to cause mayhem, and they are very organized. Much more organized than the hippies that the protesters generally are. You don't even know they are there until what they planned kicks off.

    People peacefully protesting are not responsible for anyone other than themselves.


    It's a mess... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Aspidistra on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 04:04:34 PM EST
    Definitely, nobody should be trying to stop these yahoos on a one-to-one basis. That will only bring more violence.

    It's just such an incredibly bad look for the Democrats for this mayhem to be happening, that it seems to me the party should get its act together and get some organized security at Trump rallies to keep the violent people away from the main protest(I can't bring myself to call them 'protesters' - these people love violence and that's why they were there).

    I know from past experience that a lot of times when you ask these over-the-top people (who always make sure to be at the front of the protest) when they voted last, they get really self-righteous and start explaining how voting doesn't make a difference anyway, and that they are on a higher level.  Sigh.


    As a Democrat I don't own that violence (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 04:37:29 PM EST
    It's not my look. The DNC hasn't organized these protests. It's not a Democrat thing.

    I'm watching the tube about now. CNN anchor just acknowledged we don't know who did what, we don't know what groups these people belong to. We just don't know, and the shot I just saw had plenty of counter protesters in there.


    ... as inhabitants of a higher plain of political consciousness than the rest of us mere mortals. But if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow. (With apologies to Lennon and McCartney.)

    What do you want someone to say? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 11:12:23 AM EST
    What do you want us to mention?

    Americans are free to protest, and protesters are individuals. Too often those who commit acts of destruction or violence at a protest aren't even one of the "protesters". Anyone can show up to a protest...it's America...land of the free. There is no criteria to meet other than show up.

    I don't know that acts of destruction weren't committed by Trump supporters in response to the presence of anti-Trump protesters.


    Amendment One (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:19:38 PM EST
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    says nothing about it being ok to riot and burn police cars and destroying other property.


    What do you want us to mention?

    How about, "Hey dummies! What you are doing is illegal and very wrong and just turns people against you. So knock it off."


    And nobody I have gone to a protest (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:32:23 PM EST
    With has ever done such a thing. But the counter protesters at the Bush ranch tried to run us over and they destroyed our property.

    During the first big anti Iraq War protest after the standoff at the Bush ranch, an anarchist group planned their own festivities. They were never "with us" though. They just used us to blend in and attempt to hide.


    All cats look the same in the dark (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:44:33 PM EST
    And Bush was already President and Social Media wasn't the presence it is now.

    So any bad the Bishies did was wrong but meaningless today.


    The price of Wheaties in (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:49:45 PM EST
    China is what?

    Right: Calling Trump a d**k (none / 0) (#9)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 11:23:51 AM EST
    is  orders of magnitude worse than Trump promising torture and nuclear strikes.

    The only people who'd be ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 01:26:16 PM EST
    ... "[driven] to vote for [Trump]" by the sight of what happened on the streets in Costa Mesa are latent (and not so latent) white supremacists who disdain the presence of people of color in this country, are too immature intellectually to think critically for themselves, and prefer instead to channel their frightened inner ten-year-old and run to Daddy.

    You know (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:23:50 PM EST
    watching rioters burn and destroy drives me to believe that the group that the rioters represent are not who I want to run the country.

    Can you spell D E M O C R A T?


    Sorry, Jim. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:42:53 PM EST
    We tried it your way in 2000, and we ended up with a dimwitted president who was asleep at the helm prior to 9/11 and who, once jarred awake, proceeded to bequeath to his country two failed wars (one of which was commenced under false pretenses), a drowned city, and a doubled-over national debt with a collapsing economy in free fall. And now, you're offering us a couple of reckless d--k-swinging yahoos as candidates, who've both basically pledged to transform the lives of people of color into a living hell.

    I'll offer better than even odds that a lot more voters will look at that, shake their heads in obvious disgust, and spell REPUBLICAN. Being the nudge-nudge-wink-wink "independent" that you are, well, good luck with all that.



    Okay (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:00:12 PM EST
    We tried it your way in 2000.

    So you re endorsing violence.

    Why am I not surprised?

    But I was surprised that Bush signed off on the $9 trillion or so spent 2009 to 2016. I could have sworn Obama was President. Oh well..

    And Bush flew around the world apologizing for the US and dared Assad to cross the red line and slept whole our Ambassador was killed along with brave troops.

    And I never knew that Bush could cause hurricanes  to over top decades old levees.... Of course he may have had Rove do it while no one was looking.

    Donald, out here in the real world  people are pi$$ed at you elites, and yes I said YOU, in both parties. They are sick of watching their children's futures being thrown away, millions spent on importing Muslim refugees that no knows anything about and Obama deciding to send 250 troops into the war zone.

    So meet real, Donald. Come on down and get to know some Walmart shoppers. They're a lot smarter than you think.


    Talk (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:30:31 PM EST
    about elitist. Your comment denies basic human dignity to anybody who isn't "like you". You sound just as condescending as Sarah Palin and her statements about "real Americans". As if the only people that matter in this country are people who look the same as you and think the same as you. Sad and pathetic.

    BION (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:53:35 PM EST
    Some blacks are Repubs just as some whites are Demos.

    Hope that clears it for you.


    "Meet real"? Seriously? LOL. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:04:54 PM EST
    Tell you what, Jim -- you go first.

    Have a nice evening.


    So meet real folks Donald (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 03:31:43 PM EST
    And I live there.

    Run to Daddy, Jim. (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:22:21 PM EST
    is this (none / 0) (#53)
    by linea on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 07:47:11 PM EST
    condescending snark?

    not sure what the argument is about but this kinda pops on the thread. just saying. {{ }}


    "many, many steps further." (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 05:16:01 PM EST
    - Ilsa, She Wolf of Team Trump

    ... this afternoon were huge, and literally forced the candidate to enter the Hyatt Regency, where California Republicans are currently holding their state convention, by the back door. And afterward, they had to return to his awaiting plane at nearby SFO by accessing the airport's perimeter maintenance road.

    And another clear demonstration (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:55:11 PM EST
    that the Left is afraid of ideas.

    Are you kidding? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:57:53 PM EST
    Nobody is afraid of his ideas. Actually I'm glad he's loud and proud about rounding up millions of Hispanics, his attacks on women and everything else he does. You should be glad there are protestors. They are taking attention away from his message and what he says.

    i don't like it (none / 0) (#54)
    by linea on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 07:56:39 PM EST
    i feel it's terrible that they smashed the windows out of police cars.  it just feels like the portland/seattle anarchists who smash windows of businesses and jump on the roof of random cars or break the rear-view mirrors just to cause damage.  it feels like damage and violence for thier own sake.  that's how i feel.