Shootings at Parliament in Ottowa

There were three shooting incidents today in Ottowa. One was inside Parliament, one at the War Memorial where a soldier was shot, and one near the Rideau Centre Mall. At least one shooter, the one at Parliament, is dead. Prime Minister Harper was inside Parliament at the time but rushed to a secure location.

Much of downtown Ottowa is on lockdown. All Canadian military bases and Ottowa police stations are now closed to the public. The U.S. Embassy is also closed. People are being urged to stay away from downtown as the shooting investigation is still active.

Here's a Reddit live thread. The City of Ottowa twitter feed is providing updates of closures. Ottowa police provide this address for anyone with photos or video of the Parliament shooting.

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    The soldier has died. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:42:17 PM EST

    the Globe and Mail newspaper, (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:05:29 PM EST
    the Globe and Mail newspaper, citing federal sources, said he was Michael Zehef-Bibeau, a man in his early 30s who had recently been designated by the Canadian government as a "high-risk traveler" and had his passport seized.

    More (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:12:54 PM EST
    from CBC

    CBC News has confirmed the dead shooting suspect is Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian born in 1982. CBC News has learned that Zehaf-Bibeau has a criminal record in Quebec dating back 10 years on some drug-related charges. Court documents from that time show that he lived at an address in Montreal.

    Previous name: Michael Joseph Hall (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:25:46 PM EST
    Globe and Mail is without question (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:13:57 PM EST
     a more reliable source but also cites unattributed sources and being on a list does not mean there are ties to the Islamic State or any organized group or network.

    Completely agree. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:15:57 PM EST
    and just to be clear (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:18:41 PM EST
     I'm not discounting any possibilities. I'm just not willing to rely on unsourced media reports in the immediate aftermath. Even before the Sandy Hook media debacle I was that way and I think that sorry exhibition should make everyone wary.

    Also, just to be clear, (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:53:18 PM EST
    I merely presented the info as and fyi as reported by the news org. I didn't suggest it meant that there are ties between the shooter and an organized Islamic group, and I don't think the news org did either.

    Just examples (1.50 / 6) (#2)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:37:40 PM EST

    of what the Obama administration would call "workplace violence."  Who knew they had crazy Tea Party types in Canada?

    And just what (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 01:02:15 PM EST
    the he!! do the shootings in Ottawa have to do with Obama?

    I Don't Think... (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:53:20 PM EST
    ...the unhinged do not like the FBI classifying workplace shootings as.... workplace shootings rather than terrorist attacks when the gunman is Muslim.  aka the Fort Hood Shooting.

    Unknown to just about everyone, including me, the the FBI, according to AAA, asks Obama how to classify any given crime.

    And they really don't like it when people point out the lunatics that go on killing sprees may have been devout republicans/teapartiers. aka the 2011 Tucson shooting.

    But the leap in logic for this shooting is beyond me, but that is what lunatics do, find meaning where not exists and declare it a conspiracy.


    What a horrible comparison (none / 0) (#10)
    by Slado on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:58:51 PM EST
    The Tuscon Shooter was in no way a "right wing" extremist.  

    Not in the way that the Fort Hood shooter was clearly an Islamist.

    IMHO the media goes out of its way to minimize the influence of Islam in these types of shooting because discussing it means we have to once again confront the reality that Islamic extremism is much worse then all other forms in terms of depth and scale.


    Ummmm... (none / 0) (#13)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:12:47 PM EST
    ...I was simply explaining the right wing nutery comment.

    Talk to AAA, you two seem to have the same issues.

    Obviously, I disagree with both trains of thought.  Not sure how you insist one persons political affiliations are irrelevant and in the same breathe insist that their religious affiliations are.

    Neither matter with crazy people IMO.


    Not sure how you can even (none / 0) (#15)
    by Slado on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:37:24 PM EST
    equate the Tucson shooter to Islamic radicalism.

    You seem to have a need to do this in order not to judge it for what it is.

    Even if they are comparable one is a world wide problem and one is a one off.

    If your point is lets see if this is just a lone crazy guy or indeed a new Islamic radical then I agree, we shouldn't jump to conclusions.


    Nothing... (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:12:28 PM EST
    but Obama came into my mind because, imo, by jumping into this mess with ISIS, he has put us all in danger.

    That is, according to one report I heard, the rationale for the attack in Canada - which is participating in a relatively limited way in our "coalition".


    Lentinel, can you (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:38:15 PM EST
    provide a link to that report you heard?
    I'm not saying that Obama has reacted in the way I would prefer with regard to ISIS/ISIL/IS, but Abdul's snippy response really had nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and ISIS.  It was an inappropriate, knee-jerk, right-wing "workplace violence" snipe.

    We shall see (none / 0) (#9)
    by Slado on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 03:54:43 PM EST
    I think what he is predicting is the government and media will downplay the connection to Islamic terrorism.

    Look for the buzz words..."Lone Wolf"  "No "No clear connection to ISIS", "Self Radicalized" etc... etc...

    What he is referring to is the high burden of proof many put on Islamic connections because the conversation about religion is a difficult one and the media would prefer to avoid it if it's not obvious that someone is directly connected to a terrorist group.


    You do realize (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:00:43 PM EST
    that we are speaking of Canada here, not the United States?
    The Canadians, in fact, didn't characterize the attack last Monday regarding the man who ran over a Canadian soldier as some kind of "Lone Wolf."
    (CNN) -- A man shot to death after running down and killing a Canadian soldier with his car was "radicalized" and classified as a "potential important threat" to the country, Canadian authorities said Tuesday at a press conference.
    Police arrested Martin Rouleau Couture, who reportedly converted to Islam about a year ago, last July and confiscated his passport, but lacked enough evidence to keep him in custody, said Martine Fontaine of the RCMP.
    "When he was arrested, he was about to go to Turkey," Fontaine said. "We stopped him as he was about to leave Canada for terrorist actions. He was questioned when he was arrested. We have not been able to determine any real threat at this time."
    On Monday, a man driving a car hit two members of the Canadian Armed Forces who were walking in a strip mall parking lot in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Quebec, said David Falls, spokesman for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
    One soldier died and the other was injured. The suspect led police on a chase before his car rolled into a ditch in the town, southeast of Montreal, Falls said. Police said the man exited the car before officers shot and killed him.


    "Radicalized."  "Potential important threat to the country."
    Doesn't sound like the news from Canada is calling him a Lone Wolf.


    predicting? (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:21:53 PM EST
    or possibly reflexively deflecting?

    As in, deflecting away from the obvious fact that another violent lunatic wrecked havoc with easily-obtainable firearms?


    Huh? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Slado on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:08:52 PM EST
    Canada has much stricter gun laws then the US so I'm not sure how this incident has anything to do with gun laws.

    Unless you are in favor of banning the use of all guns anywhere.


    You cannot (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:08:46 PM EST
    have a discussion with a conservative about Islamic radicals because it always devolves into them wanting a holy war and trying to wipe out an entire religion which has NEVER worked. And you have to shut off reason and turn on hysteria and we all remember the rhetoric from George W. Bush that set all this in motion. What's the point in discussing it if the only solution put forth is a jihad vs. jihad holy war.

    Terrible summary (none / 0) (#25)
    by Slado on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:13:23 PM EST
    GW pushed the "Islam is a religion of peace" meme so you need to review the facts when before you lash out at supposed Islamaphobia on the right.

    I would counter that liberal/progressives will do mental gymnastics to avoid the real problem of Islamic radicalism because they'd rather believe anything then have to agree with someone on the right.


    He also (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:21:37 PM EST
    is the one that started all this current mess did he not? Yes, he had the Islam is a religion of peace and he also had they're all going to kill you if you don't kill them first thing going on too.

    The problem is that what is the solution? I don't see conservatives offering any solutions other than more of the failed Bush Doctrine. Is there something else that they are proposing that no one has heard?


    Agree (none / 0) (#11)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:03:52 PM EST
    about Abdul's comment.

    I was more conversing with you.

    I can't link to anything because I heard it on a tv report - they accompanied what they said with a scary ISIS-type looking menacing.

    The attack in Ottawa was described in terms of terrorism - and frankly - the ISIS threats and calls for lone-wolf actions came to my mind.

    My take on our involvement is along the lines that Obama finally caved into right-wing pressure to "do something" about a situation that was being increasingly hyped - as the Syria thing was - as the Ukraine thing was. So, after holding out, he went in the direction of the republicans - and in the process gave them credibility they did not deserve. (IMO)

    And - in so doing - I believe he put us in unnecessary danger.
    (It is notable and noticeable to me that, considering the frenzied calls to action, "the single greatest threat this country has ever faced" and the like - leading to our involvement, detailed reporting on the war has disappeared from the front pages.)

    So - my response to your post was more in the nature of a free association than any attempt to justify Abdul's remark - which I find incomprehensible - as in - I don't know what he's talking about.


    Okay (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:02:28 PM EST
    Well, I find Abdul's remark pretty incomprehensible, myself.

    On what basis do you attribute this shooting (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 02:02:03 PM EST
    (or these shootings) to "crazy Tea Party types"?

    Violent nuts with guns (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:12:45 PM EST
    are more of a workplace hazard than violent nuts without guns.

    (It's Ottawa.) (none / 0) (#1)
    by leap on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 12:24:36 PM EST

    this conversation is headed off the rails (none / 0) (#16)
    by Reconstructionist on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 04:54:54 PM EST
     The only thing I see is that CBS and then other media outlets reported that the (a?) shooter has been identified as a Canadian named Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

    Reuters has a brief and unattributed report he is a Canadian who converted to Islam.

      Before ascribing this to a bogeyman of choice, I'd suggest waiting for actual knowledge.

      The only claims ( going viral it appears)this is a radicalized islamist seem to all trace back to this:

    http://pamelageller.com/2014/10/islamic-state-releases-this-photo-of-canadian-shooter-michael-zehaf- bibeau.html/

      Please note that Ms. Geller (whom I never heard of before) does not appaear to be an unbiased source


    Pam Geller (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:05:54 PM EST
    is a nut and an unreliable source.

    Recon, you really need (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:12:23 PM EST
    to learn how to show your links without using the long web addresses.  
    Jeralyn does not like this because it skews her site. Use the link button above, highlight one descriptive word in your comment, and paste the link address, which you have copied, into the appropriate box that shows up when you click the link button.

    Agree Geller bad (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:26:33 PM EST
    AKA Pamela Atlas Shrugged

    Harper is addressing (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 05:25:14 PM EST
    the country tonight.  That's not very typical is it?

    "Lone wolf", "sleeper cell" (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:28:04 PM EST
    "OMFG we are all gonna die horribly!"

    The freakout is in full tilt.  I decided to break my house rules and watch Tweety just to see how bad it would be.   He never disappoints.

    May I just say a word in defense of poor slobs who may for reasons beyond their control end up living in their mothers basement?
    I have been watching tv for about an hour and they have been maligned at least 10 times.   Come on.  They may be losers but they are not all terrorists.  Let's not condemn a whole sub culture because of a few lunatics.  

    See, now, (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 22, 2014 at 06:52:34 PM EST
    It's your own fault for watching Tweety.   ;-)