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Super Bowl Sunday

It's that time of year again - exotic Super Bowl bets time.

Here what I did:

SUPER BOWL XLVII - The largest points lead of the game by either team will be Over 13 (6 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Margin of Victory - San Francisco 49ers 7 to 12 points 4/1 (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - The First Score of the Game will be? Field Goal or Safety (+120) (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Will the opening kickoff result in a touchback? No (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Who will win the coin toss?Baltimore Ravens (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Coin Toss Tails (2 units)

UPDATE - Took the Niners on the moneyline at the half +300, 5 units.

More on the flip.

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Will there be a Score in the First 7 min 30 Seconds of the 1st Quarter? No (+145) (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Team to Score Last Wins Game? No (+155)(2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - The First 1st Down in the Game will happen on a Pass or Run Play? Rushing Play (+145)(2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII - Will both teams have the lead during the 1st half? Yes (+140) (2 units)

SUPER BOWL XLVII -(BAL @ SF) - Player to score the first TD in the game? Anquan Boldin (BAL) WR 17/2 (1 unit); Dennis Pitta (BAL) TE 10/1 (1 unit)

Longest Rush - Colin Kaepernick (SF) - Under 19 (2 units)

(BAL @ SF) - Total Passing Yards - Colin Kaepernick - Under 232 (2 units)

And now for the really fun stuff:

SUPER BOWL XLVII- From kick off until final whistle. Live pictures only, any taped pictures or past video does not count towards wager. Half time does not count towards wager. Must clearly say full name. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Who will be mentioned more by full name during the game?

Jim Harbaugh (2 units)

Competitor: John Harbaugh

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - What will be higher?

Randy Moss Receptions Super Bowl XLVII (2 units)

Competitor: How many times Jackie or Jack Harbaugh are shown on TV during Live Broadcast

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Will Beyonce be joined by Jay Z on Stage during the Super Bowl Half Time Show? Yes (2 units).

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - How many times will Harbaugh be said during the game? Over 21 (2 units)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop) Moneyline

Must be clearly shown on TV. Will be from moment the touch to moment they release. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - How long will the post game handshake/hug last between Jim & John Harbaugh? Over 6 seconds (1 units)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop) From kick off until final whistle. Live pictures only, any taped pictures or past video does not count towards wager. Half time does not count towards wager. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Who will be shown first during the game [Harbaugh Brothers]? Split screen shot of both (+300) (1 unit)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop) Moneyline

Must publicly announce pick before kickoff. Any wager placed after this becomes public knowledge will be graded as No Action. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Who will Barack Obama pick to win the game? San Francisco 49ers +130 (1 unit)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop) Moneyline

Wager is on Interview done with the Super Bowl MVP on field during the Trophy Presentation only. If Co-MVP wager is on first to speak. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Who will the Super Bowl MVP of the Game thank first? God 5/2 (1 unit)

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - How many average viewers will the game have?) Under 111 Million Viewers (1 unit)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop) Moneyline

From first note starts until she completes saying "Brave" for the 1st time. All wagers have action, if she restarts for any reason, wager will start from restart. Book manager's decision is final.

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - How long will it take Alicia Keys to sing the US National Anthem? Over 2 minutes 10 seconds (1 unit)

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop)

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Will Alicia Keys add at least 1 NEW word of the official US National Anthem? Yes +200 (1 unit).

Football - NFL Player Props (Prop)

SUPER BOWL XLVII SPECIALS - Will Alicia Keys forget or omit at least 1 word of the official US National Anthem? Yes +200 (1 unit)

I also bet the 49ers -4 (30 units.)

Enjoy Super Bowl Sunday!

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    USA! USA! (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:46:13 PM EST
    Victoria resident Myles Wilkinson won the trip in a fantasy football league contest, competing against nearly four million other players for the chance to attend the National Football League championship, featuring the Baltimore Ravens and the San Francisco 49ers.

    But when he got to Pearson International Airport in Toronto on Thursday, U.S. customs agents learned of a marijuana possession conviction in Vancouver in 1981 and told him he was not allowed to enter the country.

    "I had two grams of cannabis. I paid a $50 fine," Wilkinson told CBC news.

    Wilkinson said he was 19 when he was busted.

    "I can't believe that this is happening, for something that happened 32 years ago."

    Link

    US Customs - keeping America safe from those evil pot smoking, Bud Light drinking Canadian Seahawk fans.  

    {{Sigh}} (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:19:05 PM EST
    This is just too stupid for words.
    Would that our government paid even half the attention to big-financial miscreants that they do to unimportant marijuana users.

    Parent
    What a shame that ... (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:52:43 PM EST
    ... such a great first prize was wasted on someone who couldn't use it. That'll teach that crazy Canuck to get busted for a joint 32 years ago.

    But on the upside, I can't tell you how much safer I feel, knowing that I'm being protected by the U.S. Customs Patrol from the menacing spectre of '70s-era teenaged British Columbian drug lorda.

    I mean it. I can't tell you.

    Parent

    Kudoes to the President (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:16:41 PM EST
    Asked by Steve Croft if the board of the Boy Scouts of America `should end their national band on gays in Scouting' and if Scouting should be open to gays, President Obama offered an unequivocal and unqualified "Yes." He then went on to describe his view that gays and lesbians should have opportunities in all areas and institutions in America, equal access "the same way everybody else does, in every institution and walk of life.... Nobody should be barred from that."

    A friend writes that this may be the largest audience for a presidential pro-equality message ever. The President's Super Bowl interview is, in fact, often his largest televised audience, whether or not the American people have quite yet focused on the moving figures on the television screen. The TVs are on nonetheless, and this pro-equality statement was blasted into every home where folks were gathered 'round. FDL

    As stated above, in the clip I heard Obama's answer was unequivocal with no qualifiers at all. Took a lot of persuasion on the part of the LGBT community to get him to this point but now that he has arrived it looks like he may have decided to go all in. Good for him.

    I am starting to like Obama 2.0 (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:31:20 PM EST
    more that I liked 1.0.  and I was ok with 1.0

    Parent
    This is one area where he has evolved (none / 0) (#74)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:47:38 PM EST
    since he was first elected to take stances and adopts policies that I like. You got to wonder though why he still does some things like inviting a homophobic minister for his 2013 inaugural prayer and selecting someone who opposed having a gay ambassador to be SOD.

    As I have stated on numerous occasions, I disagree with many of his other policies but am more than willing to cheer when he champions positions like the Scouts changing their policy.  

       

    Parent

    no problem at all with Hagle. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:02:57 PM EST
    the ambassador and the HRC is ok with him so I am too. anyway, anyone McCain, Huckelberry Graham and the rest of the peanut gallery loosed their $hit about is ok by me.

    in fact I think its a great example of the in yer face Obama I am liking more.

    Parent

    Never ......... eating ....... again ........ (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:22:13 PM EST
    .... ever.

    another reason for me to (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:29:31 PM EST
    avoid this.  the last thing I need in one more annual eating event.

    Parent
    I've seen a few excellent Garudas recently (none / 0) (#144)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:58:15 PM EST
    and I always think of you. One was a totally human male figure. Absent the placard, how was one to recognize this famous mount?

    Parent
    never saw a totally human one (none / 0) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 05:19:57 PM EST
    googling now

    Parent
    Is your comment the result of eating (none / 0) (#67)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:26:09 PM EST
    too many of those goodies you prepared for the Super Bowl game? IIRC you were preparing quite a spread.

    Parent
    Could be (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:51:36 PM EST
    If I recall correctly, Yman's menu was quite amazing.
    Our Sriracha wings turned out quite well.  Very tasty.  I may even like them better than the more traditional hot wings.
    And it certainly looks like the Superbowl (otherwise known as the "Har-bowl") is not over yet.  We'll see.

    Parent
    Had to google Sriracha (none / 0) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:00:39 PM EST
    since I was not familiar with that particular hot sauce. I read that it was a Thai hot sauce but I didn't quite understand how it differed from the hot sauce used in more traditional hot wings.

    Parent
    I like both (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:09:37 PM EST
    the Frank's hot sauce and the Sriracha.  The Sriracha is different, and more complex in a lot of ways.
    Either way, it's definitely an "acid reducer" night!


    Parent
    Sriracha has caught on (none / 0) (#102)
    by lilburro on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:25:26 PM EST
    in the past few years, I think.  I didn't know about it until a recently, but it's everywhere now, cookbooks, etc.  It's cheap with a bit more substance to it (thicker) than your typical hot sauce.  And it really does somehow go with everything.  It's kind of like spicy ketchup - you can use it as a dip.  It's an insurance policy for when your food is too bland.  I guess the best if not necessarily most enviable example is that my 22 y/o brother uses it to dip chicken nuggets in.  And having tried that it does somehow make them fabulous.

    It's not too expensive, give it a shot!

    Parent

    I discovered sriracha a couple of decades (none / 0) (#105)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:24:18 AM EST
    ago at a small Thai restaurant in my neighborhood. At that timeI bought bottles of it from the restaurant. Now I buy it at my grocery store.

    I put it in soups, in scrambled eggs, in tuna salad, anywhere I want a little kick. I still love Frank's Hot Sauce, but sometimes only sriracha will do.

    If you like a bit spice in your food, MO Blue, do give it a try. If it hasn't hit St. Louis grocery stores yet, try an Asian grocery store or an Thai restaurant.

    Parent

    Same here, Casey (none / 0) (#113)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:52:18 AM EST
    I discovered it many, many years ago, and used to have to go to an Asian grocery store to buy it.
    It's gotten popular now, though, and you can find it everywhere.

    Parent
    Yes, indeed (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:21:13 PM EST
    Like one of those nights in college when you lie down in bed with the room spinning around you and you swear off alcohol forever, ...

    ... until the next night.  :)

    Parent

    Niners should have won by 2 TDs (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:57:51 PM EST
    Played awful and still were the better team.

    as someone once said (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:02:55 PM EST
    "and I shaved my legs for this?"

    Parent
    Life sucks (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:05:24 PM EST
    And then you play for San Fran

    Parent
    Course....if you recorded Downton Abbey (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:16:18 PM EST
    You could have something to take your mind off it all :)  Let us see how the Earl of Grantham folds himself up in order to sleep in a wardrobe.

    Parent
    Dowager Duchess ex machina (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:41:54 AM EST
    MT, I see that the (none / 0) (#164)
    by sj on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:13:15 PM EST
    child hostage situation was "resolved" this afternoon (I used quotes, because the resolution involved the death of the captor).  Anyway, I would be more than half out of my mind with fear if I were that child's parent.

    I saw the news and I thought of you.

    Parent

    After the FBI took over (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 11:37:05 AM EST
    It got quiet around here.  He had television access down there so everyone chilled out and stopped giving press interviews, don't know if he had internet access.  I did forget to avoid the area due to traffic on Friday, but they had it very quiet even with all the news trucks parked around, and there was no traffic delay.

    Glad it is over and the child is safe, it really dragged everyone down.

    The whole end of the world thing had my teeth on edge.  In response to Dykes end of the world belief system, many people around here were saying that this situation and Sandy Hook are indications of Christ's return and the end of it all.  I wigged out just a hair once when someone said that in front of me, because Adam Lanza's mom was preparing for some kind of end of the world and Mr. Dykes was too.  How can someone miss that a mindset is a shared factor in both situations?

    Parent

    Well, what happened? (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by lilburro on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:34:36 PM EST
    Let's hear the post game diagnosis, BTD.  I do believe the 9ers had more talent.

    From my chair, the Ravens came out roaring and ready.  Good game plan, high energy, their physicality seemed to get to the 49ers.  One of the few Ravens games I watched in full this year was when they played my Eagles, and that was a bruising matchup.  You could see the Ravens setting the terms of the game in how hard they hit.  We responded, on their terms, but it was THEIR terms.  

    Flacco was able to play the way he does best.  Rice got a little room to move.  Flacco's receivers were tremendous - I can't recall a dropped ball, instead those guys caught just about everything thrown to them regardless of accuracy.

    I don't expect the Ravens to play in the Super Bowl next year; I think they found a higher gear in the past few weeks (in part because of their new Offensive Coordinator) and had enough magic in the bag to keep it going.

    Odd that Kaepernick hit so many throws and they still lost.  Didn't seem to be much of a short passing game though.

    I am reading Nate Silver's book The Signal and the Noise so am doubly curious about what did and didn't happen from the 9ers today.

    It sucks when your team is outcoached, but it sucks even more when you think your team is simply outgunned - like the Eagles playing the Patriots.   The game wasn't all that put away but we never rose to the occasion.  It seemed like that sometimes for the 9ers.  In the end it happened that way, too.

    Parent

    Good teams find a way to win, and (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:41:39 AM EST
    both teams did that in the regular season, and again in the post season, but good teams also don't put themselves in a position to be playing from 22 points behind.  

    Coaching matters, too, and in my opinion, the 49ers were also outcoached.

    I was not impressed by the quality of the officiating; while much is being made of the non-call on Crabtree in the endzone, San Francisco was not the only team affected by non-calls - there were some glaring misses that should have been called against the 49ers, but when you've been able to build a lead, those non-calls don't break you.

    What I found interesting - but typical - is for all the time Phil Simms and Jom Nantz spent on the Crabtree/Smith "interference," showing the play over and over and over, they didn't talk at all about the three other chances the 49ers had - and blew - to go in and get the score at the end of the game.  

    Good teams find ways to win; they bend, but don't break, and they don't blame officiating at the end of the game for the accumulation of missed opportunities in the preceding 59 minutes.

    The better team won.

    Parent

    Although my pool numbers were Ravens 4 (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:59:15 AM EST
    and SF 9, and so the last second on-purpose safety lost me the chance to win the last quarter, I'm glad they won and I'm glad it turned out to be such a good game.

    Parent
    You said it, hon! (none / 0) (#109)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:33:14 AM EST
    RAVENS!

    Parent
    And I am (none / 0) (#114)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:56:01 AM EST
    very happy for you, and all the die-hard Ravens fans!
    The next Harbaugh family reunion ought to be kind of interesting.      ;-)

    Parent
    Sorry BTD (none / 0) (#101)
    by womanwarrior on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:20:54 PM EST
    I did my best to tell them to stop making mistakes.  Well, at least they came close instead of the rout it looked like it might be.  

    Parent
    Congrats to Anne (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by lilburro on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:18:13 PM EST
    and the TL Ravens contingent!  I was rooting for y'all.  

    Managed not to entirely gorge myself on queso et al. so I win, too :)

    and found that people were putting up "jokes" during the game. One, during the blackout, was a completely black screen which was entitled "Live. From the Super Bowl." And another, literally seconds after Jim and John shook hands after the game, was a pic of that handshake and John saying to Jim "You were adopted."

    Inspiration for movie A League of Their Own has (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:18:31 PM EST
    died. LaVonne "Pepper" Paire-Davis, the inspiration for the Genna Davis character in the movie about the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League, has died at the age of 88.

    Pepper played shortstop and catcher in the League. In 2009 her book about that experience, Dirt in the Skirt, was released.

    I like that movie. Speaking as a baseball loving female whose childhood was lived before Title IX and who wanted desperately to play Little League, the movie, well, it spoke to me. Women playing professional baseball. What a great thing.

    My mother, who taught me how to play baseball, remembers attending League games when she was in high school. She told me it was a wonderful thing to see, even if the uniforms (skirts!) seemed silly.

    RIP, Pepper.


    What (none / 0) (#1)
    by lentinel on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:31:29 AM EST
    so proudly we inhale.

    Just a suggestion for Alicia.

    I see your Gators (none / 0) (#2)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:29:23 AM EST
    ...are playing some pretty good BB of late.  Beat a pretty decent Old Miss team and that Marshall Henderson kid yesterday.

    Fingers crossed we beat the rodents from up North today!

    Great defensive effort (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:32:11 PM EST
    Fun team to watch.

    They have a shot at it all I think.

    Parent

    We're a year or two away (none / 0) (#15)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:21:33 PM EST
    ...from that, but it is nice to watch these kids develop.  They've still got a lot of that to do--especially physically.  They look a lot like the old Lute Olson teams right now--lots of gangly white guys.  Reminds me of me.  

    Also nice to finally have a coach who likes to play a style of game that's not painful to watch. The Franimal has some serious passion and energy too--just wish Coach Kirk had even the slightest bit of of it.  Keep hoping it will rub off on him.

    Hawks lost to the Gophers by 3 up in the Great White North today.  :(  UF should be #2 when the new poll comes out.

    Parent

    Just tallied your units, BTD (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:01:03 PM EST
    Quite the "investment" today.  Good luck.

    Big early wins in soccer (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:31:22 PM EST
    Liverpool, Spurs, Dortmund. Struggling with Barca so far though.

    Niners are make or break for me today though.

    Parent

    30 units, no doubt (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:35:33 PM EST
    I actually have a feeling we may be in for a return to lopsided Super Bowls. Haven't had one in awhile, and I just don't think the Ravens can stop this team, much less the QB. It's an AFC league right now.

    Parent
    It's an NFC league, I meant to say (none / 0) (#20)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:17:50 PM EST
    Duh!

    Parent
    I must scroll down to see how (none / 0) (#138)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:32:47 PM EST
    these investments panned out. A staggering array!

    Parent
    Dept. of Redundant Sad Irony Dept. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:30:24 PM EST
    I'd like to know about this 'process' (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by nycstray on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:45:59 PM EST
    or 'therapy' as I've read it called in a couple articles. PTSD and a shooting range sounds a bit iffy, imo.

    Parent
    I'd be willing to lay money (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:58:48 PM EST
    That he was looking at recruiting the kid that shot them for his "Security" firm Craft International.  He was supposed to be hosting a civilian shooting weekend course at Rough Creek Lodge the first weekend of March and it was about $3,000 to attend.  But it looks to me like Chris Kyle was interested in going the way of Blackwater Xe, that's where the real moola is.

    His charity for soldiers was called Comfit Cares, his affiliation with Rough Creek Lodge is under the heading Craft International though and that is his security business, not his charity.

    Many old spec ops guys think that the best way to help suffering soldiers is to get them back doing what feels "normal" to them, and in this case it is a twofer.  You "help" a former Marine, and make money off of him to boot by selling his services to people who have already contacted you.  It has been reported that Kyle wanted to teach him some sniper techniques and that was part of the goal for the day.  Who legitimately needs a sniper or sniper techniques outside the military in a war zone?

    Parent

    Oy. Interesting, thanks. (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by nycstray on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:47:00 PM EST
    I was wondering when I saw 'process' and 'therapy' if they were doing some macho, get back in the saddle flood technique a la Cesar M :)

    Parent
    That kid looks like a lamb (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:59:43 PM EST
    He is gorgeous too.  His hair is very overgrown like someone who has not been paying attention to himself, but his looks are startling.  Get a crewcut on that kid and with his resume, he's big money in the security industry.  You could take him anywhere, only you can't.

    Parent
    I had the same thought (none / 0) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:54:39 PM EST
    that maybe a shooting range might not be the best place for someone with PTSD.

    Parent
    Exactly. Blinded by their own love of guns, (none / 0) (#26)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:31:18 PM EST
    thinking someone who has mental issues could be helped by doin' a little shootin'.

    Parent
    But we don't know that (none / 0) (#31)
    by nycstray on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:55:10 PM EST
    that's why I want to know more about this 'process'. And if it really is a process, who/how was it developed . . .

    Parent
    Shot at a gun range (none / 0) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:38:59 PM EST
    Not exactly a gun free zone. The suspected gunman escaped and was latter picked up by police. No well armed was civilian involved in preventing the shooting or in killing or disabling the killer.

    Parent
    No well armed civilian (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:48:24 PM EST
    At a friggin' SHOOTING RANGE!!!

    Parent
    Not sure how those words were transposed (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:27:39 PM EST
    Should read:

    No well armed civilian was involved in preventing the shooting or in killing or disabling the killer.

    Parent

    Understood, and I'll say it again... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:37:50 PM EST
    At a friggin' SHOOTING RANGE!!!

    If a place FULL of armed people can't stop this sh*t, who the F can?

    Parent

    It was more of a private range Dadler (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:06:45 PM EST
    A very high dollar "Lodge".  The police weren't even notified until two hours after it had occurred.  In the meantime the Marine that killed them....the guy suffering from PTSD...he did what most of them do after they do the worst thing imaginable....he drove himself home.

    Parent
    As at Newtown the killer (1.00 / 2) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:40:05 PM EST
    has significant mental problems.

    Parent
    It really blows your argument all to hell (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:02:09 PM EST
    Though Jim that good guys with guns can protect us from bad guys with guns.  Is there anyone in the U.S. who has "legitimately" killed more people handily with a gun than Chris Kyle?  You couldn't hold a candle to him with a gun, the kid that killed him probaly couldn't either, but you can be his pallbearer.

    Parent
    No MT, it doesn't change the fact (1.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:14:51 PM EST
    that someone guarding something will be alert and looking for a problem.

    The killer was not expected to be a killer and shot the Seal in the back.

    So your point is just flat wrong.

    Parent

    "The killer was not expected to be a (5.00 / 4) (#110)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:09:24 AM EST
    killer...".   Wow, that's rich, Jim.  So, we are always going to know who the killers are supposed to be?  That is a really ignorant comment but pretty much what I expect from a NRA supporter.

    Guess we'll need to start having armed guards at the entrances to the rifle ranges and hunting lodges to protect us from the people who are not expected to be killers.  

    Dont even get me started on the wisdom of taking a supposedly PTSD-suffering man to a gun range and letting him get his hands on a loaded semi-automatic weapon.

    Parent

    No, this man was not expected to be a killer (1.00 / 2) (#117)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:38:58 AM EST
    The people he killed knew him and he shot them in the back.

    Contrast that with a person wandering into a mall and starting to shoot. He's just another customer till that happens.

    Contrast that with a person breaking into a school and starting to shoot. No one expected him to do that until he breaks in.

    Yet in case after case "good guys" with guns stopped the killing.

    Some examples of the "good guys" saving lives.

    Angel, you and others, are grasping at straws. All of the mall killings, all of the theater killings and all of the school killings have taken place in a "Gun Free Zone."

    What a silly concept. Do you actually think the killer will actually obey?? Can you grasp the concept that the killer goes there because he knows he can kill with no resistance??

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    It doesn't matter if they were shot in the back or (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:52:35 AM EST
    shot in the face, at a distance or point blank.  Fact is, they were shot.  And by a person who, if true, was suffering from PTSD and shouldn't have been anywhere near a loaded semi-automatic weapon. In my opinion the victims did not use good judgment by taking the shooter to the gun range.  Really, really stupid thing to do.

    Why does one need to contrast a shooting inside a school or a mall with a shooting at a gun range or a hunting lodge.  DEAD IS DEAD.  

    You are the one grasping at straws.  

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    Angel, you're changing your argument (1.00 / 2) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:41:58 PM EST
    My point was that no one expected him to be a killer..

    It really blows your argument all to hell (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:02:09 PM CST
    Though Jim that good guys with guns can protect us from bad guys with guns.

    No MT, it doesn't change the fact (1.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:14:51 PM CST
    that someone guarding something will be alert and looking for a problem.
    The killer was not expected to be a killer and shot the Seal in the back.

    So your point is just flat wrong.

    You are, of course, allowed to do so but it kinda makes your argument moot.

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    Huh? Jim.... (none / 0) (#151)
    by Angel on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:03:01 PM EST
    Do not attribute quotes from others to me, capice?

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    I have read quite a few reports on (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:54:33 AM EST
    Kyle's death. None that I have read indicated that he was shot in the back. Please provide a link to a reliable source that provides this detail. Thanks.

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    "Heard it on the radio" = "$hit ... (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:52:12 PM EST
    ...someone just made up".  Plus, now that he's been called on it, it's no longer matters.

    Classic.

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    Heard it over the radio (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:44:17 PM EST
    But if he was shot in the chest on a clear day at high noon that doesn't change my point....

    No one expected what he did.

    Good guys guarding schools would be alert.

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    What right wing radio host announced that (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    Chris Kyle was shot in the back? Something btw no other news source has even hinted at. And yes, it does change the point.

    Any time a person around you has a loaded gun in his/her hand there is a chance you will be shot either by accident or by intent. I question the judgment of anyone knowledgeable of PTSD who does not remain alert around someone with a gun who is known to be suffering from that illness    

    Good guys guarding schools would be alert?

    Good guy guard at Columbine was not alert enough to prevent the shooters from entering the school with weapons. Good guy guard at Columbine was unable to take down the shooter when they got into a shot out.

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    The Good Guy guard at Columbine (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:34:38 PM EST
    may or may not have seen weapons. And since the killers were students he wouldn't have been overly suspicious... Or maybe be just screwed up..

    Either way he was forbidden from going after the killers and was told to wait for SWAT.

    And people died that would not have if he had been allowed to proceed.

    And please quit the game of trying to discredit the fact that the Kyle's killer was not been observed the same way an intruder would be in a school.

    Common sense, which is in short supply in your comment, says otherwise.

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    If I may interject, Jim... (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by christinep on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:08:30 PM EST
    It may not have been so much how this particular suspect was acting or not acting; but rather, I think that the special expertise of both deceased men must be considered.  And, considered with a degree of reflection.

    First, let me state my position in the matter of the most recent events in what-may-be-considered the story of the US & guns in the US. A.  I do not want to take away anyone's guns...& am especially mindful of perceived/real needs for individual/family protection and respect all rights of sportsmen hunters.  B.  I do want to see legislative & value action to decrease the number of gun-related killings & other crimes wherein guns are used.  With full recognition that any legislation in any area will be discovered to have flaw(s), a flaw can be corrected/amended whereas restoring human life after being killed by a gun is another matter.  So, I think we need to do our darndest to try...and, to try while respecting the rights of legal gun owners AND the public good.  Society cannot self-abnegate lest we face a path to violence strewn every-person-for-themselves form of anarchy.  C. My view of (A) & (B) leads me to the conclusion that universal gun registration, limitation on gun ammo capacity, & limitation on assault-style weaponry would realize limited if any onus on the law-abiding individual while, at the same time, furthering the public's general welfare. IMO, the only entity that might suffer some "harm" would be the international gun manufacturers & gun-runners.

    Turning to the two gentlemen who were murdered on Saturday at the Texas lodge gun range in mid-afternoon: It is important to emphasize that there were two individuals with the alleged killer. And, extremely significant to any argument rebutting a suggestion that trained, well-armed individuals could defend themselves against an attacker is the actual identity & background of the two deceased men.  One has been acknowledged not just as a (the) top US military sniper...credited with more than 150 kills during the tension of warfare, this individual was not likely to freeze nor hesitate; his associate, also a former military marksman, was equally adept in the use of guns.  And yet...and yet...the killer got both of them before either of these two top experts in matters pertaining to guns could respond in any way...not a scratch on the alleged killer, I understand. Did they not have time because the semi-automatic fired so fast? Was this alleged killer much different than the one who shot up the theatre in Aurora this summer.

    Yea, who woulda thought?  Who coulda known?  Who could be fast enough?  Certainly not two of the higher-ranked gun marksmen in the country.  I wonder how "trained" teachers would do?  Or any junior macho in a mall for that matter?

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    but my wild-ass-guess at this time is that the two who were killed were taken by surprise and/or they were hesitant in using deadly force against one of their own.

    Clearly, there are always going to be specific situations where guns will not be effective in defending against attackers.

    Clearly, however, there are many situations where they are.


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    May or may not have seen weapons"?!? (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:11:21 PM EST
    Do you even bother to get basic facts before you comment on a subject - besides talking points from some winger blog?  Considering that the police officer who was on duty at the high school actually exchanged fire with Harris, I'm pretty sure he "saw the weapons":

    Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.

    After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff's units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."

    So did a second officer who arrived on the scene almost immediately:


    The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him. ...

    ... But in chaotic situations, it's often impossible to identify the "bad guy," as Smoker said in his account of Columbine: "There was an unknown inside a school. We didn't know who the 'bad guy' was but we soon realized the sophistication of their weapons. These were big bombs. Big guns. We didn't have a clue who 'they' were."

    Care to try again?

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    Link (none / 0) (#156)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:13:35 PM EST
    So far you keep just adding to the list of all (5.00 / 4) (#160)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:39:04 PM EST
    the people who would not be considered suspicious and therefore not able to be stopped by trained personnel or heavily armed civilians.

    The fact remains that the armed guard did not prevent the guns from being carried into the school and he was unable to take out the shooter during their exchange of gun fire. If he had rushed into the school without any back up after exchanging gun fire with one of the assailants, the chances were that he too would have lost his life since he had no idea how many people were involved or where they were situated.    

    Hate to tell you Jim people are not going to walk around with a sign and blaring lights announcing that they intend to kill a lot of people. In fact, the risk becomes even greater now that several young men in various states have decided to get their jollies by legally terrorizing their fellow citizens by walking through neighborhoods and stores with their assault weapons. Great idea to make people so use to seeing these weapons in their environment that they no longer run and hide when they see them but just stand their like sitting ducks until they die realizing that no this is not just some a$$hole who enjoys legally terrorizing others.

    Please stop the game of pretending that the shooters are going to announce their attentions in a timely manner so that a guard, a teacher or armed civilian would be able to stop him from killing a lot of people with a semi-automatic weapon equipped with a high capacity magazine.  

             

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    Should read (none / 0) (#161)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 05:13:34 PM EST
    Please stop the game of pretending that the shooters are going to announce their intentions in a timely manner

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    Of COURSE they didn't expect it (none / 0) (#134)
    by Yman on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:56:04 PM EST
    Who would expect problems when giving a gun to a mentally unstable person suffering from PTSD?

    BTW - How alert would the "good guys guarding a school" be?

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    He also "goes there" (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:50:36 PM EST
    because he's out of his cotton pickin', clinically paranoid, homocidal mind..

    Btw, I love how the freedom-and-liberty crowd now seemingly wants armed guards everywhere..

    Till we all feel "safe", the way folks are in China or North Korea..

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    Truer words have never been spoken (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:18:30 AM EST
    "The killer was not expected to be a killer"

    Thousands and thousands of times... year after year after year.

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    It seems like we are dealing (none / 0) (#104)
    by lilburro on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:50:32 PM EST
    with some new and more intense iteration of the US Gun Nut Fantasy.  This is why I love the liberal blogosphere - say what you want about whether or not it's critical enough of Obama, etc., the coinage of a term like "the blahs" is just absolutely beautiful and salvages the whole gang, IMO.  Gun owners are afraid of blah blah blahs ...they want you to believe the government is the "blah blah blah" (but they say "government" when they mean "government") but of course they mean "blahs" which means "poor" which means "black."  You would think these rural gun aficionados would gleefully move into our urban neighborhoods and fire freely in environments they previously deemed unsafe for white human life because wait for it...the folk there were armed and violent.  BUT I thought armed and violent was a moral GOOD!  

    I don't think I've ever experienced the Overton Window concept more personally than in having to explain why having everyone armed would not necessarily solve the problem of mass murder.  Truly, that is an economically and socially apocalyptic concept.  But we now gauge our righteousness by the way we can repel it.  

    My plea is simply, look, I don't want to feel like I have to own an f****ng gun to feel safe.  No one should feel guns are necessary to self defense unless in situations of great and specific duress.  You want guns for hobby, fine, but don't force your hobby on me.  I just can't with this sh*t.  Your Self Defense world belongs in a therapists' office...not in my policy.

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    As at Newtown, the killer (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:05:32 PM EST
    had a semi-automatic weapon.

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    I have heard that it was a (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:07:44 PM EST
    semi-automatic used in this killing too.

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    While the NRA puts forth a public call for (5.00 / 4) (#112)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:33:14 AM EST
    the country to address mental health as a way to deflect attention away from the need for better gun regulations, it  along with the Gun Owners of America work to seriously weaken any legislation that actually addresses the issue.

    Past efforts to tighten access to guns by people with mental and emotional problems have been unalterably opposed by the Gun Owners of America, precisely because they targeted PTSD (GOA called the last such law the "Veterans Disarmament Act"), while the NRA supported the most recently law but worked to weaken it. And for all the NRA's post-Newtown talk about mental illness, you can bet your bottom dollar that the NRA will weaken any new bill as well. link

    So Jim you can thank your gun buddies, the insurance industry and all the politicians that have slashed the budgets for mental health services.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#65)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:19:40 PM EST
    And yet, he also had no issues getting his hands on a gun.

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    Per NYT, the alleged suspect (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:36:00 PM EST
    was in the ready reserves. Could have been recalled to active duty at any time.  

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    I can, once I effect a coup d'etat and ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:06:20 PM EST
    ... take complete power as the self-titled "El Supremo," and issue a decree imposing a total ban the sale and purchase of ammunition in this country. Then afterward, the gun fetishists can have all the firearms they want, for all I care.
    ;-D

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    the only people at the range at the time of the murders. iow, there were not any other people around to intervene.

    Authorities say the three men arrived at the Rough Creek Lodge southwest of Fort Worth around 3.15pm Saturday. A hunting guide discovered the bodies of Kyle and Littlefield around 5pm and called 911.


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    Your link does not work for me (none / 0) (#122)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:59:16 AM EST
    Weird. (none / 0) (#124)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:09:44 PM EST
    Let's see if this works.

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    Yes that one worked (none / 0) (#128)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:36:43 PM EST
    Gotta wonder. Early reports on the shooting indicated that witnesses saw the shooter drive off in Kyle's car.

    Even if other people were on the range during the time in question if the area they were in was out of site, it is reasonable that gun fire would not attract attention in that environment.

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    Fair point. On that same idea, (none / 0) (#132)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:51:37 PM EST
    when your at an active range where there are people on all sides of you firing, you are usually quite heavily focused on what you are doing, not one what anyone else is doing.

    iow, someone could be shot in the stall right next to you and there is a good chance you would have no idea.

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    According to CNN: (none / 0) (#137)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:25:33 PM EST
    Kyle, Littlefield and Routh were three such visitors, arriving together around 3:15 p.m. (4:15 p.m. ET) Saturday and proceeding to a shooting range within the resort's 11,000 acres, Bryant told reporters Sunday. The range is in a "very remote part" of the sprawling complex, Upshaw explained.

    "So there wasn't anybody anywhere close to that," he said, explaining there are no known witnesses.

    The first sign something was wrong came when a hunting guide tied to the facility found 38-year-old Kyle and 35-year-old Littlefield -- both unconscious -- around 5 p.m., Bryant said.



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    I believed that you were posting a legitimate (none / 0) (#146)
    by MO Blue on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 02:19:32 PM EST
    account of what was being reported today. It does differ, as stated, somewhat about witnesses from what I read in the initial reports.

    Your point is well taken. If no one is around, it eliminates any and all chance of civilian intervention.  Yet, based on our discussion in the last couple of comments, I still think that there was a good chance that Kyle could have been shot and the shooter could have left unharmed regardless of the number of armed civilians in the area because no one would have been alerted to the problem.

    I guess you could say that if he went shooting with someone suffering from PTSD (condition not 100% confirmed), Kyle was standing by his convictions.

    In the wake of the slayings of 20 children and six adults at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, in December, Kyle was interviewed in January about rising calls for curbing U.S. gun violence. He told the website guns.com he favored arming teachers who have been screened and trained and spoke against restrictions on gun owners.  link


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    picked off at the rifle range (none / 0) (#9)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:56:59 PM EST
    right?  I am curious to hear about who this person is and what his motivation was.  

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    Supposedly a former soldier suffering from PTSD, (none / 0) (#14)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:16:49 PM EST
    the victims took the alleged gunman to the gun range, were trying to help him somehow.  Early yet in the investigation, but that's what I read in the Houston Chronicle.  The irony is incredible.

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    The link to the NYT article that (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:33:09 PM EST
    Dadler provided gives a fairly detailed account of what is known so far. Would suggest that anyone interested in this event clink on Dadler's link for more information.

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    BTW, let me take this opportunity to (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:40:22 PM EST
    say that we as a country need to do a whole lot more for the soldiers who were sent on multiple deployments to war zones.

    And by doing more, I do not mean raising the premiums for their health insurance.

    The Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the same rights as people. The people would have been served if the Supreme Court had ruled that people deserve the same rights and preferred treatment as corporations.

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    The guy that took him to the range (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:11:38 PM EST
    Who is also one of the dead guys, is America's military sniper who has the most confirmed kills in our history so far.  

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    Always tails never fails! (none / 0) (#18)
    by rjarnold on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:05:04 PM EST
    I see it as a close game, I think both offenses will struggle for the most part; Flacco always screws up when the other team puts pressure on him and this will be one of the better defenses Kaepernick has faced.

    My only bets are Baltimore +4 and SF PK (+100) both one unit. I think it's an excellent middle chance. Hooray for betting with friends who don't know about the spread!

    Alternative to the Super Bowl (none / 0) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:19:18 PM EST
    Have to wait until (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by nycstray on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:30:08 PM EST
    Rox! is up from her nap.  :D

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    Another alternative, hearing Ian Bostridge (none / 0) (#140)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:43:55 PM EST
    (Tenor) Angelika Kirchenschlager (mezzo) and Julius Drake (piano) @ Lincoln Center's Alice Tully Hall yesterday at 5 pm. Absolutely glorious recital. Full house.

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    See Financial Times (none / 0) (#153)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:08:53 PM EST
    for Martin Bernheimer's review.

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    Link (none / 0) (#155)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:11:24 PM EST
    Well... (none / 0) (#27)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:33:17 PM EST
    I think you won the with taking the over on the Anthem but lost on the toss and the kick-off.

    # of Tebow mentions (2) Over.
    # of Ray Lewis post game tears (25) Over.
    # of Harbaugh side-line tantrums (3) Over.
    Amount of eye black on Ray Lewis 1 pint.

    Anquan Boldin at 17/2! (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:46:12 PM EST
    Book it. From my hometown!

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    Split on the coin toss (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:47:03 PM EST
    Had Ravens winning it.

    Keys also changed the words. Did good on the Anthem.

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    Lost first score (none / 0) (#32)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:57:14 PM EST
    ...and time of first score?  How did first 1st down go?

    Good call on Boldin!

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    Lost first score (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:59:33 PM EST
    Won first first down (Ray Rice run.)

    Big was hitting Boldin on the first score. Worth 8 1/2 units.

    Also Alicia Keys changed the words of the anthem with her last stanza.

    Right now, I'm up 17 units according to my account.


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    She can do what she wants (none / 0) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:04:17 PM EST
    ...as far as I'm concerned.

    How do the Ravens get all of those lucky long throws?!  

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    I'm gonna double down (none / 0) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:07:40 PM EST
    on the Niners at the half.

    I think the talent gap is hugely in favor o the Niners.

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    Every thing going wrong (none / 0) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:14:07 PM EST
    Niners are clearly the better team.

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    Yep. (none / 0) (#44)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:16:08 PM EST
    They can't be doing stuff like that.  The Niners may have more talent, but the Ravens have more luck at this point.

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    more importantly (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by NYShooter on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:33:45 PM EST
    more points

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    Still??? :) (none / 0) (#47)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:48:58 PM EST
    Yep (none / 0) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:58:34 PM EST
    Gonna get 3-1.

     

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    "Clearly the better team[s]" ... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:06:32 PM EST
    ... don't trail by 15 at halftime. With 30 minutes to go, I'm sticking with my prediction from four days ago.

    The Seahawks showed everyone six weeks ago how to beat the 49ers. It looks like the Ravens were taking notes.

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    Better teams often trail by 15 at the half (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:28:07 PM EST
    But then.... Jacoby (none / 0) (#53)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:32:47 PM EST
    Not in the Super Bowl, they don't. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:56:40 PM EST
    The largest deficit ever overcome in the Super Bowl is 11, by the New Orleans Saints against the Indianapolis Colts in 1010.

    There's always a first time, of course, but only 11 seconds into the second half, the Niners are now down by 22.

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    Link? (none / 0) (#142)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:48:46 PM EST
    her rendition of the anthem was excrutiatinly (none / 0) (#45)
    by DFLer on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:40:03 PM EST
    pokey. When did it become part of a Broadway play? Not stirring...just show-off.
    arrrgghh!

    (and what was with the first piano chord? key of melody she then sang didn't follow...lame)


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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:04:10 PM EST
    That was a self-indulgent cover, and her resulting performance was quite forgettable.

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    Changed the words! Oh well. (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:46:51 PM EST
    When Aguilar did that my tutoree said he didn't know all the words either.

    I strongly object to white pianos. There oughta be a law.

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    funny (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:08:15 PM EST
    during a commercial in the walking dead marathon preparing for the new season next week I stopped by  the big game and laughed outloud cause the first thing I heard, at the nation testosterone festival, was Freddy Mercury and Queen.  just struck me as funny and I wondered what Freddy would think about it.  oh well.  if you can use Zepplin to sell cadillacs i guess you can use queens to sell football.  ok he was "bi". still. funny.

    When it came to rock'n'roll, ... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:49:59 PM EST
    ... Queen had cojones. Truth be told, they're still one of my favorite rock bands.

    Freddie Mercury's last studio performance with Queen, "The Show Must Go On," was written specifically by fellow band member Brian May as a testament to his dying friend's deterination to keep performing despite his struggle with AIDS.

    Recalled May, who had wondered at the time whether his friend was still strong enough to record the vocal tracks, "Freddie killed it." And that he did. "The Show Must Go On" is the 12th and final track on the album Innuendo, which was released in October 1991 when Mercury had but six weeks left to live, and it stands as a triumphant and incredibly moving valedictory to an astounding musical career.

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    no doubt (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:04:37 PM EST
    cojones are evidenced by the fact that they can still represent the concept of "rocking you" even at the annual testosterone fest all these years later.
    but still unapologetically queen.

    nice to see you Donald.

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    Likewise. (none / 0) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:33:44 PM EST
    It's been a long time. Where've you been?

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    playing (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:59:52 PM EST
    you can do that when you dont work.  old ages one redeeming effect

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    Well, I regressed and ... (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:56:38 PM EST
    ... agreed to go back to work at the state legislature this session. Wish I hadn't now, but hindsight's always 20 / 20.

    I'll go play in May, when we're going first to Albany for Elder Daughter's graduation from college, and then to France to celebrate my older sister's 60th birthday with her.

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    I always love that too (none / 0) (#80)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:16:28 PM EST
    Stadiums full of he-men doing the 'we will rock you' with Freddie. Maybe it did play a part in changing attitudes. Or maybe not and it is just funny.

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    Awful (none / 0) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:34:20 PM EST
    That is inexcusable.

    BTD- big payday for DFLer (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by DFLer on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:17:29 PM EST
    I got C-note on 100 to one odds on a blackout:
     over/under 30 minutes..(took the over_)

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    I was wondering if anyone had that (none / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:21:14 PM EST
    Good for you!

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    Ruffian (none / 0) (#97)
    by DFLer on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:50:00 PM EST
    thanks for the congrats, but that was a snark joke...if I had won that dough I'd be bankrollin TL for quite a while!

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    Dang! I was going to live vicariously (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:44:01 AM EST
    through you for awhile. Back to alternating around the other TL worthies.

    I am easily taken in as we learned with the Ann Coulter thing.

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    I was trying to couch my posting (none / 0) (#136)
    by DFLer on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:15:55 PM EST
    in BTD gambling lingo....guess it worked!

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    Would you have wagered Bar Boulet would (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 01:54:19 PM EST
    close @ 5 pm Sun.?  Reason:  Super Bowl. This restaurant is across the street from Lincoln Center.

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    And that was not even (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:48:12 PM EST
    about the power outage.

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    The game was progressing too quickly... (none / 0) (#62)
    by unitron on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:00:05 PM EST
    ...and might actually have been over soon enough for "Elementary" to start at its scheduled time of 10:00pm EST, so something had to be done to delay the game.

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    Niner TD! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:36:18 PM EST
    If they they can come back, they'll owe a debt of gratitude to Entergy New Orleans, Inc., the power company for Orleans Parish. The extended break may have helped them regroup.

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    This is it, BTD. 4th and goal. (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:36:36 PM EST
    Incomplete. No flag. But it was a game effort by the 49ers in the 2nd half, none the same.

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    It's a beautiful afternoon out here. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:52:52 PM EST
    You can stick a fork in the Niners -- they're done. I'm going surfing.

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    If I had gone out in the water today, ... (none / 0) (#72)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:39:53 PM EST
    ... you could've perhaps stuck a fork in me. Ran into a friend of mine at Puuikena Beach, and he said he came into ashore because there are a lot of big tiger sharks cruising in Maunalua Bay today for some reason. So I'll pass on surfing this afternoon.

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    Lights out. Wonder what they're going to do. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Angel on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:48:04 PM EST


    Anonymous? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:45:18 PM EST
    Just wondering.

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    Can I sell my soul to Willem Dafoe? (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:23:46 PM EST
    How do I sign up for that deal?

    have you seen Antichrist? (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:29:38 PM EST
    perhaps not sell but you definitely have to rent it to him for ta coulpe of hours.  

    nice to see you.

    just saw a promo for the new AMC show about taxidermy called Immortalized.  I think it might be great.

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    In the Met. Museum's wonderful Japanese (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    Exhibit space, the current exhibit focuses on birds. But, right smack dab in the middle of the floor is taxidermed deer covered completely with glass baubles. Beyond weird.

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    WHAT A FINISH!! (none / 0) (#86)
    by NYShooter on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:35:08 PM EST


    horrible no call in the end zone (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Dadler on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:49:30 PM EST
    you cannot fail to flag a guy when he's got both arms around a receiver. might as well not have refs out there. cowardly swallowing of a whistle. on a marginal call, you keep the flag in your pocket. When it's not even a football play being made, when it's an obvious joke, sorry, you toss it.

    But congrats to the Ravens, that return to start the second half, I just knew, would be the difference. And John can thank Jim for an atrocious job at the end of the game. Terrible play calling on that last series, terrible clock management, inexcusable last play.

    Congrats Baltimore, party it up!

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    It is what it is, Dadler (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:52:55 PM EST
    You're right, but it's over now.  The call is the call.   ;-)

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    From time to time (none / 0) (#118)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:46:55 AM EST
    we agree. It was a terrible call.

    And I have no dog in the fight. I didn't care who won. I have residual bad feelings against both of them. ;-)

    But the league, sooner or later, is going to have to understand that calls like the one in Seattle and last night will hurt the game.

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    I don't know who the on-air guys were on CBS (none / 0) (#123)
    by ruffian on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 11:59:40 AM EST
    since that last 10 minutes was all I saw, but one of them basically said you can't call penalties that close to the end of a close, big game.  Good to know.

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    That may be his opinion (none / 0) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:31:24 PM EST
    but I don' think the NFL will agree.

    All I know is that I don't watch a game that will be decided in the last 10 minutes by the officials.

    Neither do the people who pay thousands of dollars to be there.

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    Yes- he did not mean it was an NFL rule, just (none / 0) (#167)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 12:30:31 PM EST
    a strong public opinion thing, as you expressed. The same play earlier in the game would important too. Why have refs at all, if they aren't allowed to officiate in important situations?

    It just all goes to why I don't pay much attention to sports anymore. It all seems so staged.

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    Watched in slow motion, over and over, (none / 0) (#125)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:11:37 PM EST
    since CBS seemed determined to create controversy, you might be able to make a case for a flag, but since we saw it, over and over and over, it was also hard not to see Crabtree pushing off against Smith.

    In real time, it was bang-bang and didn't look definite enough to warrant a flag - and notice, too, that Crabtree didn't object, for whatever that's worth.

    It was a remarkably low-penalty game, which is apparently Boger's officiating style, but the no call in the end zone wasn't the only non-call last night.  There was a late hit on Joe Flacco, when he was already out of bounds - no call.  I think there was a no-call on a play where Torrey Smith was grabbed.  I mean, if they weren't going to eject Cary Williams for shoving the ref, what made anyone think they were going to throw flags on a bang-bang play in the end zone?

    The Niners had three chances to get into the end zone before the so-called controversial play, and before that, there was the Ed Reed pick and the LaMichael James fumble, the San Fran time out they had to take, the dropped passes.  That's what cost them the game, not what happened in the last 2 minutes.

    As for the Niners' offensive play-calling at the end of the game, I liked this behind-the-scenes take from the other side of the ball (bold is mine):

    The larger story here is how smart the Baltimore coaches were on the play. One of our SI reporters at the game, Matt Gagne, talked to coaches and found out the Ravens' plan on those last four plays, all from inside the 7-yard line, was simple: If Kaepernick was going to beat them, he was going to have to do it with his arm and not his legs.

    [snip]

    On first and goal from Baltimore's 7-yard line, LaMichael James took a handoff but ran straight into a zero blitz, picking up just two yards before the two-minute warning.

    [snip]

    During the two-minute warning, John Harbaugh asked for zero blitz, telling defensive coordinator Dan Pees through the headset, "I do not want them to run the ball right here." Pees had already called for a base defense, zone coverage, but Harbaugh had him rethinking the plan.

    "At the last minute he was going to change his call to zero blitz," Matt Weiss, the Ravens defensive quality control coach who was listening in on the conversation, told Gagne. "But he didn't, and that turned out to be a great call. Dean almost got talked out of his instinct, which would have been bad for us. If we're in zero blitz there, there's a good chance they score a touchdown."

    That's because Kaepernick took the snap and sprinted to his right -- a move designed to beat the blitz that never came -- and was forced to throw into tight coverage. The ball to Michael Crabtree fell incomplete. The Ravens weren't disguising anymore blitzes, only to back off. Pees called for zero blitzes on the next two plays, and the pressure forced two more incomplete passes to Crabtree. "They were smart enough not to run the pistol. Dean did a great job of showing them zero blitz," Weiss said. "We basically just said, 'If you're going to score this touchdown, Colin Kaepernick is going to have to throw the ball in the end zone.' " It worked, and Baltimore won.

    That's good coaching, and that's what made the difference.

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    When the QB runs (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:35:22 PM EST
    he loses the "protection" of being QB. He is just another runner.

    Now you can't hit a runner out of bounds but the boundaries change.

    And it wasn't pass interference. It was clearly holding.

    The officials clearly gave the game to the Ravens.

     

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    The boundaries of the field (none / 0) (#131)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:47:06 PM EST
    don't change - and a late hit out of bounds is a late hit regardless of whether the runner is the QB or the TE/WR.

    And no, it wasn't holding - the ball was in the air when contact was made.

    No one gave the game to the Ravens; the Niners were out-played and out-coached.

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    I should have used (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:44:33 PM EST
    another word than boundaries.. I was trying to say that the QB becomes just another runner and if he's hit, so what... And the official will accept that, especially if the defense is not trying to "take his head off..."

    Besides, didn't everyone say that the Ravens' holding at the end of the game was okay because they were being allowed to play the game??

    BTW - He was past 5 yards and he was being held.

    As I said, I didn't care who won. But if you are a Ravens fan I will step into my Time Machine and cheer for San Fran!

    ;-)

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    Jim, you are not talking to someone (none / 0) (#150)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:58:45 PM EST
    who knows nothing about football; I know that if the QB takes off running with the ball, he's just another runner, but whether it's the QB, the TE, the WR, it's not okay to hit him after he goes out of bounds.  This is known in football parlance as a "late hit."  Look it up.

    I don't know who this "everyone" is to whom you refer, but there were only 7 penalties in the entire game - 5 on the Niners and 2 on the Ravens: the entire game was more or less about "letting them play," so what did or didn't happen in the last 2 minutes wasn't a deviation from the way the entire game had been officiated.  Is that right?  Is that wrong?  It just was, jim; these guys get paid a lot of money to play a game; I think they can deal with it.

    And by all means, cheer for any and every team the Ravens play, but it's too late for the Niners.

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    Hmm, not too late for the niners ;) (none / 0) (#158)
    by nycstray on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:23:23 PM EST
    they're just getting started . . .

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    I would agree (none / 0) (#163)
    by CoralGables on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 05:23:21 PM EST
    Looking over contracts, the Niners look healthy and will likely be better. The Ravens contractually are in quite a bind going forward and I would suspect are more apt to go backward. (although that's no out on a limb prediction since they can't exactly go very far up)

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    Too late to get them the (none / 0) (#165)
    by Anne on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:23:07 PM EST
    Lombardi Trophy this year, that is...

    I agree that the Niners are better positioned from a salary cap perspective than the Ravens are, and they're also pretty young, so I think that gives them a good chance to get back to a Super Bowl.  Ravens are already over the cap, and signing Joe Flacco AND trying to bring back Anquan Boldin, Jacoby Jones, and defensive personnel like Kruger, Ellerbe, Williams, etc., is going to be challenging.  I'm pretty sure some of these guys are going to be elsewhere come training camp...but with Ozzie Newsome in the front office, whatever personnel setbacks we face next season aren't likely to linger for longer than that.

    Had another AFC team been going against San Francisco, I'd have been happy to root for Jim Harbaugh's team.

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    Anne (none / 0) (#168)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:10:08 AM EST
    Calling the game differently than they would a regular season or playoff game is silly and leads to people, like me, who don't care who wins not watching...

    Because penalties played a role in how they got there, as did the 49er's.....

    And no matter the excuse, the fact is that the Ravens won the game on because of a non-call.

    Asterisk anyone??

    ;-)

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    No kidding! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Zorba on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:50:01 PM EST
    Didn't start out as the greatest game, but it sure was exciting in the last half.
    Great game.  Congrats Ravens, 2013 Super Bowl Champions!

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    I didn't have a dog (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by NYShooter on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:24:08 PM EST
    in this hunt,

    but I'm happy for Ray Lewis

    and, of course,

    Anne!!!

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    The coolest Lombardi Trophy ceremony ever? (none / 0) (#98)
    by EL seattle on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:14:14 PM EST
    Having Ray Lewis up there on the podium after the game was great.  But actually having O. J. Brigance there on the field during the Trophy ceremony was perfect.