Thursday Open Thread

I can't wait until Donald Trump is no longer headline news. I'd also like to believe that there will come a day when those over 65 are released from COVID-19 house arrest.

Here is a new open thread, all topics welcome.

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    60 minutes (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:32:41 PM EST
    Trump followed up with the threat to post the interviews early.

    If you have the stomach.  It's pretty gruesome.

     I agree with this

    Dan Pfeiffer: "One annoyingly persistent element of Trump era political analysis is pundits attributing strategic acumen to Donald Trump's media strategy despite all of the available evidence to the contrary."

    "This tic reared its incorrect head once more when Trump decided to release the unedited footage of an interview with Lesley Stahl scheduled to air on Sunday during 60 Minutes. A number of Democrats and media-types wondered `what's the secret plan?' Some speculated that Trump was trying to pre-but the story. Others suggested it was an attempt to fire up his base by attacking the media."

    "None of that is correct. There is no plan. There is no strategy. Trump is not a marketing genius or a media mastermind. He is a moron with the strategic sense of a temper tantrum-prone toddler. The release of the 60 Minutes footage is just more evidence of that fact."

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 08:07:25 PM EST
    I watched the unedited "60 Minutes" interview in its entirety this morning. Why would anyone think this is at all beneficial to Trump's cause? Far from playing ogre to Trump's victimhood, Leslie Stahl's sharp but fair questioning instead elicited the ill-informed musings of a pompous and thin-skinned asshat.

    The toll on my mental health (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 06:15:26 PM EST
    over the last 4 years of this monstrosity is really incalculable. I feel like the constant anger and stress, added to the other normal life stress, has been so debilitating,  Not sure I will know how much until it is over.

    I'll be 63 in January and am still limiting my trips outside the house. I have to go into the office a few times a month, but they are taking good precautions so it feels safe there.  I have gone to friends' houses a couple of times, but worry about it. Living by myself I feel like I have to take a chance now and then to get out and see people, but then I see what happens to people like Chris Christie after months of being careful - it only takes once.

    It's just all so depressing. I hope the shadow lifts in a week and a half.

    It is like (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 06:59:31 PM EST
    having a national bully. The gas lighting, the constant stream of lies and his minions add to all of this. It's like being back in elementary school and getting picked on every single day and dreading what is going to happen today in school. When I get up and look at the news it's the same feeling from the elementary school bully.Then you add covid and it just makes everything that much worse. My husband and I have been scouring ex-pat locations. Nobody in Mexico complains about wearing a mask.

    Exactly. The stuttering-based bullying of Biden (none / 0) (#28)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:04:34 PM EST
    was like a kick in the gut to me. I knew it would come eventually even before I knew  Biden had ever dealt with stuttering. A bully gets around to everyone eventually, his supporters just don't realize it will be their turn at some point.

    I really think he has decided (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:08:04 PM EST
    to do as much damage and cause as much chaos and death as he possibly can on the way down.

    He had a super spreader event today in the largest retirement community in the country.



    The states could stop him if they wanted (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:32:37 PM EST
    Criminal behavior up and down the line. Today is the highest number of new cases recorded in this country since the start of the pandemic.

    Colorado just toughened the restrictions to gatherings of at most 10 people. I don't know how they enforce anything, but it does serve as a warning at lest that things are BAD. Meantime the two largest wildfires in CO history are going on right now, 10 miles apart. Part of Rocky Mtn National Park is burning.  We're having snow this weekend so maybe that will help.  Ugh.


    I have a friend who's husband has dual UK and (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:06:42 PM EST
    Canadian citizenship, and they just got Canadian passports. They said there is some sort of sponsorship thing they'd be willing to use for me too  - I will definitely look into it if things go wrong on the 3rd. I can't take it anymore.

    I'm 61 (none / 0) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    and have been under house arrest since February. My sister in China warned me it was coming. (funny how I knew but the US government did not).

    They Knew (none / 0) (#2)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 05:08:09 PM EST
    From Rage by Bob Woodward
    The virus now appeared to be spreading like crazy. On January 24, Chinese scientists finally published a report in The Lancet, perhaps the world's most respected medical journal, stating "evidence so far indicates human transmission" of the coronavirus.

    Alex Azar, the secretary of Health and Human Services, called his counterpart, Ma Xiaowei, the Chinese health minister the morning of January 27. Pottinger was on the call. Nearly a month had passed since the first reports from China.

    Can we send our guys in? Azar asked. Let us do it. We've got experts. We can provide support. We can help. Let's share samples. World Health Organization rules required that samples be shared. Just you say it, they're ready to go. Their bags are packed.

     At a Jan 28 Oval Office meeting
    "What do you know?" Trump asked Pottinger.

    For the last four days, Pottinger said he had been working the phones calling doctors in China and Hong Kong he had maintained contact with and who understood the science. He'd also been reading Chinese social media.

    "Is this going to be as bad as '03?" he had asked one of his contacts in China.

    "Don't think SARS 2003," the expert replied. "Think influenza pandemic 1918."

    Pottinger said he had been floored. The so-called Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide with about 675,000 deaths in the United States.

    Good idea? (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:19:07 PM EST
    No. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Towanda on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 12:36:50 AM EST
    Bernie does not work well with others, even of equal stats aka other Senators.

    He would be a terrible manager.


    Well, he's (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:24:20 PM EST
    not in great health and instead of waiting for him to pass away in the senate it might be a good idea to go ahead and give him something to get him out. As far as what position it doesn't matter to me other than he shouldn't be HHS.

    Who would replace him (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:25:21 PM EST
    in the Senate?

    Biden would (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:35:28 PM EST
    appoint someone?

    The (none / 0) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:53:55 PM EST
    Governor of Vermont would name a replacement, I think
    state laws vary on if and when a special election will be held.

    I knew that (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:56:32 PM EST

    Heh, Trump would (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:12:14 PM EST
    try to appoint Bernie's successor....

    Governor of Vermont (none / 0) (#8)
    by BGinCA on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 06:55:45 PM EST
    would appoint an interim Senator, A special election must be held within 6 mos to permanently fill the term. Governor of Vermont is Republican Phil Scott.
    Not likely that Bernie would give up that seat.

    The story say he wants it (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:13:03 PM EST
    He was quoted with a non denial.

    No idea if that's true but this kind of story is usually not accidental.  Maybe he's tired of the senate and wants to do something else


    How about spending time with the grandchildren? (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 06:58:45 PM EST
    Or doing grassroots organizing for some progressive institutions? Why does it have to be a government job?

    Thing is you would think (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:12:01 PM EST
    After all these years of being obstructed and frustrated he would want to me in the majority for what will probably be a historic congress.  I expect to see congress do some big stuff.

    In the Last Poll for Governor of Vermont (none / 0) (#10)
    by RickyJim on Thu Oct 22, 2020 at 07:08:44 PM EST
    Homelife (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 10:48:06 AM EST
    Yesterday my septic tank caved in.  Or started caving in.  Blowing leaves I noticed a dip I never noticed.  Exploring I found it had no bottom.  That I could reach at least.  


    My house was built in 1963.  I'm sure the tank is original.  And they are all metal from the period I'm told.  Amazing it lasted 57 years.  Anyway, I call a couple of guys.  One of them just stopped by.

    We were inspecting the damage along with his assistant who looked like one of the Duck Dynasty guys when the assistant just dropped.  Like a trap door.  Up to about the waist.  
    I thought he took it pretty well.

    So now I figure out how to pay for a new septic tank.

    bet the assistant wishes (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by leap on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 11:39:35 AM EST
    his Daddy had been a banker.

    It doesn't smell (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 01:06:14 PM EST
    I was very surprised.  I asked why they said you get the smell when they are not working properly and mine is working just without a roof.

    He said when they dig it up it will smell.  Something to look forward to.


    Get ready for thousands of cockroaches (none / 0) (#22)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 05:02:15 PM EST
    When they dig up your septic tank Captain.  This problem happened to me both in Aspen and down here.  The first house I lived in down here in the keys just had a bore hole.  You couldn't flush the toilet or wash dishes during night tide.  Ghastly.  Good luck.

    I'm frankly (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 06:54:01 PM EST
    surprised that septic tanks are allowed at all in the keys.

    Sounds (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:04:40 PM EST
    better and better

    Sorry to hear this. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 02:15:26 PM EST
    I had neighbors that simply had to have new lines dug and it was expensive. We had septic in our last house and when we went to look for another house if it had septic it was automatically eliminated from consideration 0

    Politico (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 03:08:33 PM EST
    Wow, I had not heard that news yet (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 06:19:34 PM EST
    Sullivan has definitely had it. He knows the plea deal was to much lesser charges than what Flynn actually did, and then to have it withdrawn under these blatantly political circumstances....I think he is delaying as much as he can until a new AG is installed.

    Prosecutors will retry Scott Peterson for (none / 0) (#21)
    by McBain on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 03:44:01 PM EST
    the death penalty but I'm not sure why?
    California has not executed anyone since 2006, and Gov. Gavin Newsom has a moratorium on executions for as long as he is governor.

    A better idea would be to have a new trial for his current life sentence.
    There is also a possibility that the whole trial itself will be done over again in San Mateo County. Last week, the state Supreme Court ruled a San Mateo County judge must consider whether Peterson's murder convictions should be tossed out due to juror misconduct.

    In case you missed it (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 23, 2020 at 07:15:14 PM EST
    The U.S. confirmed at least 83,010 coronavirus cases on Friday, the country's highest daily total since the pandemic started