NFL Sunday Open Thread

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AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, viol. 211 (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 10:46:33 AM EST

That bully's about to learn that martial arts ain't no fingerpainting. (link)

And the rest of last week's litter at AN AXE LENGTH AWAY:

v. 210
v. 209
v. 208
v. 207
v. 206
v. 205

Get to "church" and raise some hell, my friends.

sniping comments deleted (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by Jeralyn on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 12:20:25 AM EST

Stop the insults. Thread cleaned of them.

Volcker Rule nears approval (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by Politalkix on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 08:50:59 PM EST

link

I hope that BTD will get some time soon to write a critique on this subject.

Smart man, taking the Niners (none / 0) (#1)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 10:41:24 AM EST

Damn cold for us today a few miles from the Stick. Hopefully the Seahawks will be just as cold. Gotta say, though, Russell Wilson just might be the best QB in the league right now. Very heady and steady. But maybe Kap can really get it back in gear and send a message. Gonna have to be the Niners ground game that sets it up, tho. If they can't run, they can't pass. So we shall see.

Given not only what the Seahawks ... (none / 0) (#19)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 04:06:24 PM EST

... did to the Saints last week, but also the hurt they put on the 49ers in September, I wouldn't bet against them. This is an awesome Seattle team.

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Frank Gore's the 49ers' man of the hour. (none / 0) (#25)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:34:48 PM EST

He kicks four FGs, including the game-winner with 0:26 to go, as the Niners pull it out at the end, 19-17.

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Nice run, but why (none / 0) (#26)
by MKS on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:38:13 PM EST

did he just fall down? Bad hamstring, trip trying to change direction?

And "Gore" kicking four field goals.....I think the Niners had a nice win, but showed with their four field goals that their offense is still not all that potent.

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That's Phil Dawson kicking (none / 0) (#30)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:59:45 PM EST

;-) But I have nothing but respect for the Seahawks, and was happy to escape with the win. As I've said, Russell Wilson could bet he best QB in the NFL right now. Heady and steady and has an arm and capable of running more than well. I rate him far ahead of Kaepernick this season.

But we got the win, and I only hope Seattle loses so we don't have to go to that godforsaken decibel pit they call a home field.

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I stand corrected. (none / 0) (#34)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:09:02 PM EST

The 49ers have to first make sure that they make the playoffs, before thinking about who or where they'll play. They're only one game up on the Arizona Cardinals, and have to go to Glendale in the final week.

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: They'll be in, IMO (none / 0) (#42)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 10:56:55 PM EST

Far too good on defense not to be. And they have many more offensive weapons than the had the first time they played the Cardinals. But that's why they play the games. Peace.

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Pete Carroll knew when (none / 0) (#27)
by MKS on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:40:09 PM EST

to leave town and go North.

But are they juiced?

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: Richard Sherman is (none / 0) (#31)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:03:02 PM EST

He's hopped up on Adderall, the new legal junk the NFL allows. Oh wait, silly me, poor Richard has ADHD and needs it, that's right. I'll wager about 1% of the NFL players taking Adderall actually medically require it. And that includes guys on the Niners who probably are. Can't stand the stuff, and I was prescribed it once. So I know what it does.

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The game in Philly is insane (none / 0) (#4)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:31:11 PM EST

Effing blizzard conditions. Reminds me of games from the 70s and 80s in Green Bay or Chicago or Cleveland.

What I don't get is how many players are playing with exposed arms. It's really stupid, the body heat they lose negatively affects their performance. I realize they think they are showing toughness, and that lineman worry about getting held, but in these conditions, if I'm a coach, retaining body heat for performance is what matters and I tell everyone to sleeve up.

Like the old pick up (5.00 / 2) (#7)
by MKS on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:47:30 PM EST

games as a kid......

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Yep. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Zorba on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:23:46 PM EST

Snowing like heck in Baltimore, too.
I like that they have to snow blow the lines every once in awhile. ;-)

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I actually liked when... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:29:27 PM EST

...I saw one guy was using a plain old snow shovel to clear off the twenty. Old school.

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: OJ had great games in the snow (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by MKS on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 06:41:12 PM EST

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Watching the game (none / 0) (#6)
by Yman on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:36:54 PM EST

I think this doesn't bode well for Philly. it's going to keep the pace very slow and McCoy isn't exactly a straight-ahead-through-the-middle type of runner.

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And they don't have Calvin Johnson (none / 0) (#9)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:27:27 PM EST

Megatron is a beast no matter the conditions, but you're right...as long as the field conditions persist, it's a bang it up the middle game for the most part. If you can't do that, forget it. Hell, I'd try the biggest fastest fat guy on my bench at running back. Give him some long cleats and tell him to run over everything in front of him.

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Looks like I was wrong ... (none / 0) (#17)
by Yman on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 03:00:55 PM EST

... about McCoy and the Eagles in general. Took them awhile to adjust, but their offensive line and McCoy have played an amazing game against a very good Detroit running defense.

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: That was easily the most entertaining... (none / 0) (#32)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:05:15 PM EST

...regular season game I've ever watched between two teams I have no rooting interest in. Fun as all hell to have a Bloody Mary to.

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It's snowing (none / 0) (#5)
by Zorba on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 12:31:31 PM EST

in both DC and Baltimore, although much harder in Baltimore.
They must hate playing in the snow. It's so slippery.

Stay warm (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:30:07 PM EST

Go Niners! And Chargers!

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Go Niners (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Zorba on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 02:18:29 PM EST

is what Son Zorba is saying. He's a lifelong Niners fan. ;-)

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We squeaked it out (none / 0) (#33)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:06:43 PM EST

You know you're blessed with the perfect wife, when the second the game ends SHE is the one putting her hand up for the high-five. She loves football and hates cleaning. What a woman!!

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: Hates cleaning as in doesn't do it (none / 0) (#35)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 07:09:50 PM EST

And really doesn't care if I do either. I literally married the biggest messcat in all of womanhood. Drives me batty sometimes ("Just be a girl for once and care about our sh*tty sofa!!"), but I am so lucky in every other way it makes up for it by miles.

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When it's not snowing in Green Bay (none / 0) (#44)
by Towanda on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 11:35:32 PM EST

it's even worse; wind chill dropped below zero.

But the Pack is back!

And may Rodgers be back soon, too.

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It's Slippery... (none / 0) (#48)
by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 11:04:03 AM EST

...but compared to cold tundra it's certainly softer to land on making some injuries less likely, like shoulders and concussions.

Plus it's a blast to watch. Like that Philly game, the offense has a huge advantage running down the sidelines because they can run on the shoveled path of the sideline, whereas the defenders had to run the cutoff through about 6 inches of snow, and in the NFL that means they can't catch 'em.

The good news is this year the SB is in NJ, making it the first time in a long time in which we could see a white or sub-zero Super Bowl.

That would be fricken awesome, an true blue Ice Bowl, the real Ice Bowl was actually an NFC championship game, Dallas at Green Bay. It will be cold as balls, but I think most northern turf fields are heated so they don't get rock hard.

HERE is a short video with the greatest play in Packer history, Bart Star QB sneak in -15 degree weather with 16 seconds on the clock. While it was 3rd down, with no timeouts, it would have been the last play of the game. As it was, there was time for the FG, kickoff and a couple plays by Dallas.

Lombardi told Starr to in the timeout before the play "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!"

Several Packers, including Star, played the Super Bowl against Oakland with frostbite from the Ice Bowl, and won.

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Interesting how on the snow-covered gridiron (none / 0) (#12)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:40:18 PM EST

...they can paste yardage markers on the field in gray over the white snow.

: Unless I'm nuts that's what they're doing (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 01:41:07 PM EST

But it's holiday mixed nut time, so you never know.

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Tie game in Philly (none / 0) (#15)
by Dadler on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 02:27:44 PM EST

This games is great, like some kind of circus show.

Holy Moses and now as I write it, boom, 98 yard kick return. Detroit in the lead again.

Egad, I have a tree to trim.

Will you get it done? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Zorba on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 02:53:58 PM EST

Meanwhile, I made the guacamole and the fresh salsa, and we have a big bag of tortilla chips. All waiting for the Niners' game to start.
That is, assuming the current sleet doesn't change to freezing rain and down our power lines.

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: Even in the face (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by sj on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 04:39:28 PM EST

of such a disaster I'm sure that the guac and salsa will come through just fine. What did you put in your guacamole? The avocados I've been getting lately have been really good. I haven't even made guac. Just put slices in my sandwich for lunch. Avocado, swiss cheese, tomato slices and liverwurst make a really quick, really yummy sandwich.

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Concierge Health Care (none / 0) (#18)
by Politalkix on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 03:28:13 PM EST

link

for the rich! It is funny that so many people think that it is only insurance companies that prevent the poor and the sick from getting the best medical treatment they need. If only they could have direct access to doctors without having to go through middlemen is the refrain.

It may come as a big shock to many that a lot of physicians (definitely not all, there are many who chose the profession for the correct reasons)are really not very interested in attending to the middle class and the poor. Period. They would like to see fewer patients and only attend to a well heeled client base.

Actually (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by sj on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 04:33:34 PM EST

Concierge doctors are not a new concept. There is even a television show about one. When I applied the google to "concierge doctors" to get the name of the show, Google helpfully supplied a list of cities. All over the nation.
Whoa. You mean the rich prefer to use their wealth to make their lives easier and more comfortable? Although, frankly speaking, if I could afford a concierge doctor who made house calls (like my childhood family doctor) I'd do it in a heartbeat. I have no problem with this really.
Double Whoa. You mean doctors run the same gamut of venal to noble as the rest of humanity? If a doctor/human believes he deserves more and can find some one who will pay it, what's the problem? If a doctor/human is in the profession to be a healer to as many people as possible, that's admirable.
I don't understand this:

If only they could have direct access to doctors without having to go through middlemen is the refrain.

I don't know anyone singing that refrain, so I don't really understand the point you are trying to make. "Access to doctors without having to go through a middleman" has a very distant relationship with single payer to which I am guessing you refer? If so, I don't think you understand single payer. If not, clarify please.

In any case, a single payer system would be unlikely to impact a concierge doctor or their patients in any way. The patients are paying to avoid the riff-raff. And the doctors are doing it for the money. And also, likely to avoid the riff-raff.

sidebar: I didn't know if riff-raff was one word, one hyphenated word, or two words. Apparently the google isn't sure either.

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Yes, I was pretty (5.00 / 2) (#23)
by Zorba on Sun Dec 08, 2013 at 04:47:01 PM EST

flummoxed by the relevance of his/her whole comment, too. I assume that this is supposed to be some kind of push-back against any of those who have expressed any criticism or discomfort with the ACA whatsoever, but who the he!! knows?
Ah, well. I am going back to the Niners' game and enjoying a beer along with chips, guacamole, and salsa.

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: lol; guacamole is always healthier than (none / 0) (#51)
by Mr Natural on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 12:14:54 PM EST

complaining about the health care system.

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And my Grandma... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 11:14:49 AM EST

...who lived on a farm in Wisconsin got 'concierge' health care without insurance, they are/were called House Calls. I believe my insurance, which is not bad, but not great either, covers one a year, but finding one that actually takes insurance is a bit harder.

I can't imagine a doctor coming to my house, it would seem so... not unprofessional, but not thorough, I like the cold white feel of a clinic room, probably because I have been conditioned to believe that is where you get good care.

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AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, viol. 212 (none / 0) (#46)
by Dadler on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 10:49:13 AM EST

He's one politician who would've brought cow pies for them to snack on if he could have. (link)

vol. 211
vol. 210

Rainy days and Mondays, my friends. And it is COLD here in the Bay Area, just about freezing last night in our old, very underinsulated master bedroom. But what's life without a little discomfort. ;-)

: That is the 3rd g-damn day in a row... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by Dadler on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 10:50:19 AM EST

...that I have typed "viol." instead of "vol." Is this God's way of telling me I should be a violin player?

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Football Just Sucks This Year... (none / 0) (#50)
by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 11:28:06 AM EST

...can't remember when the Pack looked so pitiful, anyone remember Lynn Dickey of the 80's, Favre's more or less predecessor.

And the Texans, who were feeling like they were guaranteed a spot in the AFC championship and maybe a Super Bowl, barely won the first two games, one was in OT, now have 11 losses in a row.

Hard to watch, not the losing, but the mistake ridden play loaded with dumb penalties and horrible tackling. I don't mind a loss when they play good, but neither team is doing that. The Pack has a chance to get in the playoffs, but unlike a couple years ago, they just aren't capable of beating anyone with a winning record IMO.

I actually got really excited that the Pack beat the Falcons yesterday who were 3-9. They barely beat them by one point.

And while everyone thinks the NFC East is the worse division in the NFL, they have more combined wins than the NFC North.

Except (none / 0) (#52)
by christinep on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 12:19:55 PM EST

for those of us living and loving Denver. Go Broncos!

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: Yeah... (none / 0) (#53)
by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 01:44:18 PM EST

...it's been a pretty good season for football in general, last week's Denver/KC game was one of best this year. I would imagine plenty of KC, NO, Carolina, and Seattle fans loving football.

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Wasn't... (none / 0) (#55)
by kdog on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 02:46:09 PM EST

The Magic Man, Don Majkowski, Favre's predecessor in Green Bay? When the Pack started showing signs of life after the lost 80's.

I never heard of Lynn Dickey, which proves your point.

The Jets scored an offensive touchdown (shocker!)in a win, that's a good Sunday...faint playoff hopes still alive.

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Correct... (none / 0) (#56)
by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 03:11:18 PM EST

...Lynn Dickey was the GB QB for about a decade, late 70's and early 80's when the Pack sucked. He wasn't bad, but I think that was the period when GB was know as a pretty wild team, as in partying like it's 1978.

Randy Wright was in for a season, The Magic Man pulled them out of mediocrity and Favre made them famous, once again.

My point above was the 70's and 80's(which I remember better) were some trying times for fans and I feel like this year was a flashback to the days when nothing went right, from terrible play to the pure chance stuff, like tipped balls.

I suspect a lot of Ravens fans are feeling the same way, so used to winning that when a mediocre season comes along it's a hard pill to swallow.

I am glad that the power structure is always moving and teams like KC and Seattle can rule for a bit. Now if only Brady wasn't Japans bestest football robot, it would be almost an entirely different NFL than 4 or 5 years ago. That guy is just a machine.

But fear not, the Lions will F it up, the NFL just can't handle them doing anything good and soon enough it will correct itself like it did in Philly. Sorry JB.

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: And (none / 0) (#57)
by Politalkix on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 08:18:19 PM EST

"Now if only Brady wasn't Japans bestest football robot, it would be almost an entirely different NFL than 4 or 5 years ago. That guy is just a machine"
And don't forget how bad the Pats were in the early 90s and how strong the NFC East was at that time. The dominance is cyclical.

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: Sterling Sharpe (none / 0) (#66)
by jondee on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 10:46:55 AM EST

did for for Farve what Lynn Swann did for Terry Bradshaw: boost his confidence by catching anything that was remotely catchable, and making secondaries as panicy as chickens with a fox in the vicinity.

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YES.......... (none / 0) (#54)
by NYShooter on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 01:56:12 PM EST

Negotiators Reach Compromise on Defense Bill (none / 0) (#58)
by Politalkix on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 08:39:46 PM EST

link

"House and Senate negotiators turned back Mr. Obama's renewed push to close the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, extending a prohibition on the transfer of prisoners to the United States and forbidding the construction of facilities to house them. But they did loosen restrictions on the transfer of Guantánamo prisoners to other countries. Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the change should ensure that about half the detainees still at the military prison will be transferred. Half will remain. "

On the economic inequality issue (none / 0) (#60)
by Politalkix on Mon Dec 09, 2013 at 09:11:48 PM EST

link

The article hints at why the Democratic Party can never possibly return to the form of economic populism fashioned by FDR and William Jennings Bryan in this era of globalization but can still champion the cause of the middle class.

It's 12:10 a.m. in the islands, and ... (none / 0) (#61)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:09:59 AM EST

... I'm watching the memorial service for the late South African President Nelson Mandela, live from Johannesburg. (South Africa is 12 hours ahead of us.)

Earlier, I saw an emotionally moving shot of Mandela's widow, Graça Machel, warmly embracing his former wife Winnie Mandela upon her arrival at FNB Stadium. Apparently, Ms. Machel reached out to her, and successfully reconciled the Mandela family in the former president's final years.

I have a lot of aloha for the people of South Africa tonight, and I wish them well as they navigate their way through the post-Mandela era.

Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika. (God bless Africa.)

Quite a contingent from the US (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by CoralGables on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:03:09 AM EST

I believe Barack and Michelle Obama; Bill and Hillary Clinton; George and Laura Bush; Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter; Susan Rice, Eric Holder, and Henry Kissinger.

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The popping sound you just heard ... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:24:20 PM EST

... is Sen. Marco Rubio's head exploding, as President Obama greeted and shook hands with Cuban President Raul Castro today at Mandela's memorial service. No doubt, we should now expect a prodigious amount of keening and caterwauling from the professional white commentariat at Fox News tonight.

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The horror! (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by kdog on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:46:40 PM EST

I read that Mandela and Fidel were downright buddy-buddy, I did not know that.

I say we end the embargo in honor of Nelson Mandela. Just as the races should not attempt to dominate one another, neither should political philosophies or systems of government.

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Mandela admired Che too. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
by oculus on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:54:32 PM EST

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: NOOOOOoooooo .... !!!! (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:36:03 PM EST

Not Che, too ... !!!
Well, thank heavens that OUR leaders never debased themselves in such a shocking and demeaning fashion by consorting in public with such obvious scoundrels.
;-D

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Were they all on Air Force 1 ? (none / 0) (#63)
by fishcamp on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:21:36 AM EST

I know the Bush family was according to Google News.

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: BY THE WAY CG and KeysDan (none / 0) (#64)
by fishcamp on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:13:24 AM EST

Rep. Joe Garcia sent me a birthday card last week. Thought that was pretty cool. I must have put my birthdate down when I volunteered to help before the last elections. There was about two minutes of fame around the Long Key Post Office. Fame is good.

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AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, viol. 213 (none / 0) (#65)
by Dadler on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 10:21:47 AM EST

She's back and she's more pissed than ever. (link)

Vol. 212
Vol. 211

Peace out, my friends. Our trombone player in the house will be blowing some horn tonight at the mayor's inauguration. So proud. Mayor of Millbrae, that is. The small town in the big town.

There goes the Super Bowl... (none / 0) (#70)
by kdog on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 03:20:54 PM EST

No tailgating? No admittance by foot? What the f*ck?

One good thing about the Meadowlands vs. stadiums in NYC is tailgating has always been permitted. I realize there are security concerns, but surely there is middle ground between a normal Jets or Giants game and a prison-like lockdown Super Bowl.

otoh I guess the Thurston Howell set who can afford to attend the SB isn't the tailgating crowd...but they will be pissed they can't get dropped off in a limo either!

Fear Not... (none / 0) (#71)
by ScottW714 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:10:51 PM EST

...in Dallas they had all kinds of tents set-up for drinking and eating before the late afternoon kickoff.

In this instance, with this event, I think it's smart. Not being able to grill a brat in the parking lot is hardly lock-down.

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Agreed. (none / 0) (#73)
by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:45:43 PM EST

Far better that we instead teach those brats a lesson by other means.

;-D

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: The Super Bowl: (none / 0) (#78)
by jondee on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 10:39:44 AM EST

Another gigantic, triple-decker, greasy cheeseburger for the mind..
As the teams leave the field, they should play Peggy Lee's "Is That All There Is?"

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No lawn chairs? (none / 0) (#74)
by kdog on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:40:56 AM EST

No walking from the Marriot across the street to the game? Ya can't even get dropped off at the game. It's much more restrictive than just no grills. And that's not even getting into the face recognition cameras and software and snipers and all the other madness. Sh*t why not just play the game in Cheney's underground bunker next year?

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India Supreme Court Ruling Today (none / 0) (#75)
by CoralGables on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 10:01:06 AM EST

(Reuters) - India's Supreme Court on Wednesday reinstated a ban on gay sex in the world's largest democracy, following a four-year period of decriminalization that had helped bring homosexuality into the open in the socially conservative country.
In 2009 the Delhi High Court ruled unconstitutional a section of the penal code dating back to 1860 that prohibits "carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal" and lifted the ban for consenting adults.
The Supreme Court threw out that decision, saying only parliament could change Section 377 of the penal code, widely interpreted to refer to homosexual sex. Violation of the law can be punished with up to 10 years in jail.