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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 196 (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:46:47 AM EST
    There's a reason you never see a 99cent mortuary. (link)

    Vol. 195
    Vol. 194

    Happy Saturday, y'all. Today's my belated birthday "party," which mostly means my wife cooks me a great dinner, I get a few gifts, and then we retire to the boudoir -- to commiserate about our sciatica. Sigh. I love getting old!

    So proud of my 13 year-old today (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 12:01:09 PM EST
    With no prompting from adults, Eli and his friend Miguel are going down to the community center to work a three-hour volunteer shift getting emergency supplies ready for shipment to Philippines typhoon victims. Sometimes your kids surprise you in the best of ways. Peace out.

    Great kid. (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by desertswine on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 12:54:11 PM EST


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    Via my mother's facebook page (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:45:45 PM EST
    While thinking about Egypt recently, and Morsi on trial, I recalled the messages left on mi madre's facebook page by some of the more secular/liberal/moderate Egyptian citizens she met back in 2006 during the making of her documentary JUST LIKE US.

    The comments are very telling, when you think about where these particular Egyptian folks are coming from -- not fundamentalist, educators for the most part, secular some of them...in other words, folks we have more in common with that one could imagine. And I'll let the couple of messages speak, or confound in their mangled form (poetic, to me), for themselves.

    Message 1:

    Ismaiel Shafiey posted to Laurel Adler
    July 7
    Dear DR. Adler. my wife & son and I send their greeting to you. would you please send our respect to American people whom Egyptian people love. on other hand would you please to pass this message to your friend at U S A: 1. what was occurred in Egypt is not a coup It is a REVOLUTION . 2. we astonished that CNN & president OBAMA support terrorism. 3. there are tendency that Egyptian foreign policy will change to RUSSIA & CHINA . and that will effect great los for U S A policy at Middle East. my best wishes to you & your friends. hope to see you in near future at Egypt. with my best regards.


    Message 2:

    Engy Nabil Alfons
    July 6
    My dear American friends,

    We, Egyptian people are really sorry for what President Obama is turned to be!
    Well, I know that some of you have been praying for Egypt and I'm kindly asking you to continue to do the same.
    I'm writing this today so you can pass this important message to your people and your country:

    "What happened in Egypt on the 30th of June IS NOT A COUP, It is just the second batch of the Egyptian revolution"

    May God Bless Egypt

    There were more, but these are pretty much a median. For what it's worth, on my mind this morning.

    Link to my mom's pre-Arab Spring Egypt documentary.

    Conspiracy theories (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by jtaylorr on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:00:18 PM EST
    have really taken hold in Egypt re: the U.S. & the Muslim Brotherhood. It's along the same lines as the stuff you hear coming out of the mouths of Tea Partiers. Here's a good Economist article about the theories.
    One irony among many is that, with the odd change in detail, this theory of an evil grand Western design is eerily familiar. It is nearly identical to the narrative of victimhood long purveyed by those now being hounded by those same police and intelligence officers--the Muslim Brothers and their Islamist fellow-travellers


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    The line that stands out to me the most... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:11:07 PM EST
    ...in the facebook excerpts I quoted, is this:

    "What happened in Egypt on the 30th of June IS NOT A COUP, It is just the second batch of the Egyptian revolution."

    There is a very difficult irony, an almost impossible irony, in its truth IMO.

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    meant to put truth in quotes at the end there (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:11:49 PM EST
    ...in its "truth" IMO.

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    May you live in interesting times (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:08:00 PM EST
    Dammit all if we don't.

    And thanks for the link.

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    And sadly, in that region of the world... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:17:11 PM EST
    ...our profound inhumanity and incompetence give Egyptians every reason to believe the worst about us. I cannot blame them in the least. Superpowers suck. That never changes.

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    Egypt thinks the worst about Turkey also (none / 0) (#36)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:06:32 PM EST
    link

    And they are giving a red carpet welcome to the Russians.

    The generals in Egypt think that the Russians will protect them from their own people.

    Everything is not our fault!

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    A Short History of America by R. Crumb (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:17:55 PM EST
    I've been staring at this print tonight, which I've had for years and which hangs in our living room. It just kind of hypnotizes me now and then. (link)

    The man was a genius. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:39:15 PM EST
    I always liked this Zap Comics cover he did....

    Deep Psychological Insights and Mystic Revelations!!!

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    WAS a genius? (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:44:45 PM EST
    He still is.

    I know he's pretty wispy, and if he turns sideways you might not be able to see him, but he's still kickin'.

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    My bad. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:47:20 PM EST
    You're right! I don't know why I thought he had moved on. Maybe because so many people I know from that era have?

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    There's a great interview (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 09:36:50 AM EST
    of Crumb by critic Robert Hughs on the net somewhere that's well worth hunting down..

    They both punch some well-needed holes in the NYC centered art racket and delve in an insightful-hilarious way into each others personal histories and creative influences..

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    I remember a cover he did (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:37:04 AM EST
    for Whole Earth Review some years back that elicited some, shall we say, spirited responses from the subscribers. No tepid responses: half were of the "cancel my subscription immediately" variety, and half were along the lines of cudos for telling the truth and pushing the boundries..

    Goya's work elicited the same responce in his time..

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    That's how you know genius (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Dadler on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 12:21:51 PM EST
    At least to me.

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    And.. (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 01:53:18 PM EST
    he's absolutely hilarious at times. At least to me. I grew up living next-door to a family that was a lot like Crumb's family of origin. Those guys were my playmates. All ostracized at school for being "f*cking queer" weirdos. One of them was studying the collected works of Aleistar Crowley when he was like twelve and used to come to the door dressed in a black, hooded robe..
    So the docu Crumb really resonated with me.

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    Nuclear Deal with Iran reached (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 08:53:34 PM EST
    link

    Transformative foreign policy!
    Congratulations SoS Kerry and President BHO!

    Methinks first, congratulations world... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by gbrbsb on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 09:28:27 PM EST
    and I reckon Zarif, Rouhani, Lavrov and Wi might have also had a major hand in this inaugural step on what will probably be a very long and bumpy road, so deserve some congratulating too.

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    Obama to speak (none / 0) (#32)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 09:31:19 PM EST
    11:30 p.m. EST.

    Deal includes lifting of oil sanctions....

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    Ha Ha Ha (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Politalkix on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:28:50 PM EST
    Harry Reid drops the nuke on Mitch McConnell while the US is ready to sign a nuke deal with Iran....
    What a week! Who would have thunk it?

    Does Mitch McConnell speak (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 09:42:33 AM EST
    clearly when he has an actual mouth full of mashed potatoes?

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    I wish commenters here (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:31:09 PM EST
    Would stop arguing about the 2008 primaries :). Just wishin

    Amen! (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by sj on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 12:44:55 PM EST
    I was practically tearing my hair out when some people were telling others what they "foolishly thought" six years ago.

    But it's a new day, I just updated my phone, and I feel better now.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 06:33:59 PM EST
    I guess it probably is better to let people live in their world of 11 dimensional chess and imaginary transformative politics.

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    Do you feel you have enough hours and (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 07:36:22 PM EST
    Years to persuade them otherwise :) ?  They seem rather set in their views.

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    Actually (4.00 / 4) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 06:02:56 AM EST
    I don't but it's like talking to a tea partier in a lot of ways. You'll never convince a tea partier that Bush wasn't Jesus anymore than you'll convince the Obama is the savior crowd that it isn't 11 dimensional chess.

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    I'll take your bet (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:15:53 AM EST
    About Texas A&M.

    It will be a high scoring game, but A&M wins the day, 48-42.

    Manziel (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:41:28 AM EST
    Talented kid, obviously, but at his small size, and with his often frantic style of play, I just don't think there's any way he doesn't get splattered one of these days. He's a career ending injury just waiting to rip, tear, fracture, you name it.

    That said, I think I agree with you on this game. Which means the opposite will happen. ;-)

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    It's not that I don't think he's talented. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:21:32 PM EST
    But what irritates me about Johnny Manziel is the relentless media hype over him. Jeez, Colt Brennan was a much better and smarter QB and didn't get this sort of overblown fawning, and he broke every NCAA single-season passing and efficiency record.

    Further, the A&M receiving corps have really done yeoman's work these past two seasons, but they get little if any credit for somehow managing to come down with the ball whenever Manziel forces it recklessly into double- and triple-coverage, which is six or seven times a game at least. One of these days -- today, perhaps? -- he'll throw five or six picks, and that'll be that.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dadler on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:06:21 PM EST
    I've seen far too many plays where he scrambles and then just heaves up a jump ball and, somehow, his receivers have managed to come down with the majority of them. It's uncanny and really plain lucky, so we'll see what becomes of the lad. Trust fund and all, I suspect he'll be more than okay. ;-)

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    All hail, Johnny Football! (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 09:46:35 PM EST
    Today's stats: 16-41, 224 yds., 1 TD, 2 INTs in A&M's 34-10 loss at LSU.

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    That was a sucky game (none / 0) (#40)
    by jbindc on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:52:52 AM EST


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    My prediction (none / 0) (#4)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:12:25 AM EST
    FSU wins by 50+ and Winston sits the second half.

    GO DUCKS... (none / 0) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 11:38:09 AM EST
    as long as California beats Stanford I'll be happy.

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    Spent some time at UCB back in the 60s (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ragebot on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 12:31:14 PM EST
    and really enjoyed it.  Lots of good times there and across the bay bridge in SF.  But have to say my guess is Stanford will win going away.

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    Ducks are struggling. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 04:24:12 PM EST
    Last I saw, Arizona's up in the 2Q, 21-9.

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    8:59 4Q: Arizona 35, Oregon 16. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:24:02 PM EST
    It's not looking good for the No. 5 Ducks down in Tucson.

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    8:45 4Q: Arizona 42, Oregon 16. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 05:26:34 PM EST
    Stick a fork in them. They're done.

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