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    "Obama offers to pay ... (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:53:01 AM EST
    ... to keep Muslim museum open during shutdown."

    So says Fox News, who was (once again) reporting a satirical piece as actual news.

    Hard to believe that anyone takes them seriously as a news organization.

    Unreal (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Jack203 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:15:23 AM EST
    Gotta give the teapartiers their redmeat....or daily dose of Obama hate.

    Keep the useful idiots in line is working just fine for the ultra-rich and neocons.

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    Earlier this year (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:59:05 AM EST
    Mike Masnick at Techdirt.com put together a good ctitique of the system being sold as "healthcare". It's major focus is caring for health of the balance sheets of the billing companies.

    Healthcare Isn't A Free Market, It's A Giant Economic Scam

    Not long ago, someone I know who had no medical insurance, but who had some serious medical issues, ended up in the hospital for a few weeks. Some procedures needed to be done, but nothing that most people would consider too "drastic." Eventually, the bills showed up, and they were in the range of half a million dollars, for someone who did not have anything close to that. You hear stories about crazy medical bills, but what very few people realize is that the reality of hospital bills can often be orders of magnitude more crazy than what most people expect. Just last week, a friend of mine posted the following image to Facebook, noting that when his normal medical insurance billing statement has room for seven digits (i.e., millions of dollars) something is clearly screwed up.
    [...snip...
    The stories of obvious overcharging fill the piece and demonstrate a key point in all of this. For all the talk about "free market" healthcare, nothing in our healthcare system is anything resembling a free market. You have truly "captive" customers with almost no price elasticity, combined with a system whereby it's rare for the buyers to actually be the ones "paying." If you were to design the most f*cked up economic experiment ever, this might be it. And you can see the results.
    Steve H.'s bill for his day at Mercy contained all the usual and customary overcharges. One item was "MARKER SKIN REG TIP RULER" for $3. That's the marking pen, presumably reusable, that marked the place on Steve H.'s back where the incision was to go. Six lines down, there was "STRAP OR TABLE 8X27 IN" for $31. That's the strap used to hold Steve H. onto the operating table. Just below that was "BLNKT WARM UPPER BDY 42268" for $32. That's a blanket used to keep surgery patients warm. It is, of course, reusable, and it's available new on eBay for $13. Four lines down there's "GOWN SURG ULTRA XLG 95121" for $39, which is the gown the surgeon wore. Thirty of them can be bought online for $180. Neither Medicare nor any large insurance company would pay a hospital separately for those straps or the surgeon's gown; that's all supposed to come with the facility fee paid to the hospital, which in this case was $6,289.
    Or how about this one:
    His bill -- which included not only the aggressively marked-up charge of $13,702 for the Rituxan cancer drug but also the usual array of chargemaster fees for basics like generic Tylenol, blood tests and simple supplies -- had one item not found on any other bill I examined: MD Anderson's charge of $7 each for "ALCOHOL PREP PAD." This is a little square of cotton used to apply alcohol to an injection. A box of 200 can be bought online for $1.91.
    [...snip...]
    If you know even the slightest bit about basic economics, the deeper you look at this system, the more and more you realize how insane it is. Nearly every single incentive is skewed, often dangerously so. The system is more or less designed to be abused, while making it increasingly difficult for people to get reasonable care. I'd argue that it may be worse than if you asked a bunch of economists to design the worst possible system of incentives.
    [...snip...]
    We are in the middle of the most horrifying economic experiment ever constructed with our healthcare system, and it's only impacting almost everyone's lives. Oh yeah, and there's no real interest in taking on the actual problems.


    similar to mine (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Amiss on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:22:06 PM EST
    And we have insurance. We owe, according to bloated hospital bill, $450,000.
    I have been hospitalized 3 times since in the last several months.
    You don't get a choice of hospital, either if you are transported by ambulance.
    So much more to say about this health system we have now, just too weary from it all, now. Which I think is their aim.

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    That's awful, Amiss (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by shoephone on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 05:21:34 PM EST
    I'm sorry you have to go through the enormous stress of owing that sum, after already experiencing the enormous stress of illness! Our system for health care truly sucks. It's created to make us all like the serfs in Dickens' novels.

    Though not nearly on the same scale...a number of years a go I crushed my wrist, had to have surgery (or would never be able to use that hand again), and I had no money at all. Nothing. I also had no job, because I had just moved back to the area, and had no home. A friend of mine who works in the medical industry marched me into the social services office at the hospital and told them they HAD to agree to get the state to cover the bulk of my bill, because I could only pay $10-20 a month, and it would take years to pay it off. They wrote off the largest portion of my bill.

    Regardless of your insurance situation, try to meet with someone in the finance or social service department and see if they will take pity on you. And best of luck in the healing.

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    Oh no (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by sj on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 12:11:23 AM EST
    I'm so sorry to hear this. How scary and demoralizing that is when your major concern should be your health, not your bill.

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    That sucks. (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:33:28 PM EST
    There a user comment on that article you might find interesting...
    Repay in small amounts

    I knew someone who was in the same boat. He was in an accident and comatose for weeks. Spent a few months in the hospital. He never openly told me how much is final bill was, but he only laughed and told me he could only afford $10 a month. They threatened him, and even took him to court. But he proved that since he had no assets and other bills making only a small amount, it was all he could afford. Apparently he's been doing that for years. You just can't get blood from a stone. So why even worry about paying it all back? Just pay a puny amount each month until they agree to lower the total amount.



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    Thanks for the suggestions (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Amiss on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:12:45 PM EST
    Just to set everyone's mind at ease, we have made arrangements with everyone as things have happened. I was surprised at the kindness of most as I was with some of the bills.
    As an aside, I am running out of usable veins. I have to go to a dialysis/chemo/cancer clinic weekly to get an iv iron treatment weekly to help with the anemia. I get stuck at least 6 times each visit. We have not received a bill from them yet and the Dr. says not to worry. I am just curious as to the fees for each of set up that they charge.


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    Can't they put in some type of port (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:25:43 PM EST
    for your blood work and iv medicines rather than sticking you numerous times and damaging your veins?

    I have seen some ports that have multiple lines for infusions. The devises with multiple lines might be called something else but the principle is the same

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    When I am hospitalized (none / 0) (#53)
    by Amiss on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 10:25:52 AM EST
    They put in a "pick line". I get tests done before each procedure is why, my veins are just shot and I am a diabetes/vascular patient with a stint in my left arm making it unusable.
    So many have it worse, though.

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    I'm so sorry. (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:42:27 PM EST
    I call our medical system in this country the "vortex of hell". You don't know good doctors from bad doctors until you finally find a good doctor. I had hospitals calling me before I even went in for a test wanting ALL the money up front. I was getting so stressed and all this was even before they gave me the news that I had cancer. Then I had to deal with treatment and reams of bills. One bill was 24K for ONE night in the hospital. Of course, that was the inflated version but still why the hell even send someone a bill for that much? I think the agreement with the insurance company was something like $500. So according to hospital "accounting" they had to write off 23.5K? It is not only nightmarish but stupid to boot.

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    Disheartening news, Amiss. I am so sorry (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:36:40 AM EST
    this is happening to you.

    I am entering the health insurance/care vortex this week. My sister was just diagnosed with cancer. It is so bad the doctor popped her right into the hospital. She couldn't even make a quick trip to her home first. Started chemo the next day.

    I am going to the midwest this week to be with her and try to handle the oh-so-many details involved in getting treatment. I will be there for quite some time as she will be hospitalized four weeks getting chemo. And then I spend her first couple of weeks at home helping her get her strength built up.

    She has pretty decent insurance through her employer, thank god, but it all is still insane.

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    You're a good sister (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by shoephone on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 01:58:44 AM EST
    and best wishes to yours for a successful treatment and recovery.

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    So sorry to hear about your sister (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 07:12:02 AM EST
    Glad that she will have you there to help her navigate her way through this insane system.

    My thoughts and prayers will be with you both.


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    So sorry to hear (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Amiss on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 10:37:22 AM EST
    That news. At least here you do not have to be hospitalized. The cancer specialists really do think of the patients...even wi-fi several rooms, you can have visitors, all recliners, etc. for patients.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 148 (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:45:24 AM EST
    Yvette is starting to lose her "faith." Within weeks, barring a "miracle," it'll be gone for good. (link)

    After a Saturday off to take my kid and his friend to the National Yo Yo Contest, where they were also holding the National Spin Top Contest -- something I had never heard of. Spin Tops? It's just what it sounds like, those tops we played with as kids, but in a tad more complicated and competitive fashion. (link)

    And here are the rest of last weeks comics, in case you missed any. Peace.

    Volume 147
    Volume 146
    Volume 145
    Volume 144
    Volume 143

    My wish... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by DebFrmHell on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:43:14 PM EST
    Is for you to figure out how to put a Tweet Button because 143 is priceless, spoken by one who has a shrink (medical maintenance only)

    Also enjoyed #146.  Too true to be funny.  8-)

    #NotAnAssKisser just like your stuff!

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    I like Dadler's stuff, too, (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:47:57 PM EST
    DebFrmHell.  I don't know exactly what that says about us, but I choose to believe it's all positive.       ;-)

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    This is for you, Z (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 04:06:36 PM EST
    Gaaaahhh! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 04:30:50 PM EST
    The link led nowhere, at least on my iPad.
    But, if you happen to be talking about Zorba's Pizza in Millbrae, oddly enough, I have heard of it.  Another commenter on another blog once mentioned it, a few years ago.  
    The guy who owns it has got to be Greek.  If this is the place you are referencing, do they serve any Greek food?  If they do, they're Greek, count on it.     ;-)

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    Okay, I just tried the link (none / 0) (#36)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:27:57 PM EST
    on my PC desktop.  It is Zorba's Pizza!  I thought so.
    We Greeks can cook anything.  It seems to run in our genes.   ;-)

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    Our Greek (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:28:59 PM EST
    Pizza/Greek food restaurant is called Gondolier. There's also a chain called guess what----Athens. Very original huh?

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    I cannot tell you (none / 0) (#41)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:02:39 PM EST
    how many "Athens" restaurants I have run across, all over this country.    ;-)
    It does seem as though one of the first things that Greek immigrants did when they came here was to, first, work in a restaurant, and then, open their own.
    (I used  to think that you couldn't even open a diner unless you were Greek.  LOL!)
    At any rate, many of my relatives went into the restaurant business years ago.
    And you can't necessarily tell by the names of the eateries whether they are owned by Greeks or not.

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    One Dead Give Away... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 10:56:09 AM EST
    ...a 5 page menu with everything you could ever want to eat that usually includes some sort of omelet that has feta cheese and gyro meat.

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    Oh, yes (none / 0) (#57)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 04:43:43 PM EST
    I agree.  And also if it has a Greek salad anywhere on the menu.
    We Greeks are very clever when it comes to food.  We like to feed people.  And if we can make money from feeding people, even better!      ;-)

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    There is (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:11:43 PM EST
    this fantastic barbecue place in Memphis I wish I could remember the name of it. I'm thinking maybe Rendezvous? Anyway nothing Greek about that name but I saw the owner interviewed on Food TV one time and darn if he wasn't talking about how he was Greek and his family was Greek immigrants and they were all in the restaurant business. :).

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    We have a Peruvian (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:32:25 PM EST
    rotisserie chicken place not too far from here.  Great chicken, great sides- plantains, beans and rice, etc.
    The owner is Greek.
    As I said, Greeks can cook anything.    ;-)
    And in fact, anybody who can cook and is interested in food and cooking, can learn to cook any cuisine.  

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    Priceless Sir... (none / 0) (#28)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 04:47:49 PM EST
    Thank you, Deb (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 04:05:27 PM EST
    I'll say it again, as Mark Twain first did: I can live a few months on a single compliment.

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    There is a Tweet Button, btw (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Dadler on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 10:09:08 AM EST
    Below the comics. You can share it up on Twitter, Facebook, Google+. Give it a rip.

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    Number 147 reminded me of my cousin... (none / 0) (#50)
    by gbrbsb on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 06:39:45 AM EST
    with a moderate learning disability. A few years back after a lot of supervised practice, she started to use ATM machines alone to withdraw her weekly cash. Soon after my aunt noticed from her statements that monies were fast disappearing each week in large cash chunks she knew she couldn't possibly need, but when she asked her why my cousin explained that the ATM had told her to, i.e. that every time she keyed in her pin the ATM advised: "You have £X.XX available for you to withdraw today" and she was dutifully doing just that!

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    In case you didn't see this... (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by lentinel on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 11:22:29 AM EST
    In the frenzy and confusion occasioned by the opening of the "exchanges" relating to Obamacare...

    it seems that an enterprising reporter has noticed that the number given out for information about Obama care, 800 318 2596, spells out as F UCKYO.
    (3(F) 8(U) 2(C) 5(K) 9(Y) 6(O).

    Sometimes, the elites in government let slip the way they really feel about us plebes.

    Hilarious... (none / 0) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 11:01:08 AM EST
    ...recently something happened in my group of friends and we started calling anything anyone did within the group that was shady, the GFY, Go F Yo-self.

    So our latest trip, was the the GFY tour of 2013.  Good to see the Fed not only practices it, the shutdown, but also uses it for their help lines.

    Easy to remember I guess...

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    Glitches viewed from Reuters (1.00 / 0) (#2)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 08:28:48 AM EST
    .

    OVERLOADED

    One possible cause of the problems is that hitting "apply" on HealthCare.gov causes 92 separate files, plug-ins and other mammoth swarms of data to stream between the user's computer and the servers powering the government website, said Matthew Hancock, an independent expert in website design. He was able to track the files being requested through a feature in the Firefox browser.

    Of the 92 he found, 56 were JavaScript files, including plug-ins that make it easier for code to work on multiple browsers (such as Microsoft Corp's Internet Explorer and Google Inc's
    Chrome) and let users upload files to HealthCare.gov.
    It is not clear why the upload function was included.

    "They set up the website in such a way that too many requests to the server arrived at the same time," Hancock said.

    He said because so much traffic was going back and forth between the users' computers and the server hosting the government website, it was as if the system was attacking itself.

    Hancock described the situation as similar to what happens when hackers conduct a distributed denial of service, or DDOS, attack on a website: they get large numbers of computers to simultaneously request information from the server that runs a website, overwhelming it and causing it to crash or otherwise stumble. "The site basically DDOS'd itself," he said.

    .


    What the hell is your point? (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by Jack203 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:13:39 AM EST
    ?

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    There is none (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:35:32 AM EST
    Most tea partiers seemed to have just turned into a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at the wall. As a matter of fact that's pretty much all the GOP has been doing for two decades now. Sooner or later you've got to quit whining and throwing poo and actually offer something for people to vote for.

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    An informative and.. (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by desertswine on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 11:30:59 AM EST
    disturbing report in today's Times about money, the Kock Bros, and the government shut-down that's been planned for a long time now.

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    Obamacare appears (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Edger on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:09:31 PM EST
    to be such a mess that the republicans, in spite of their twisted motivations, may actually be doing people a favor?

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    These people (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    have really gotten arrogant. I guess they think that they've been "fleecing the rubes" aka their own base so long that they think they can do the same thing to everybody else in the country.

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    This government shutdown (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:41:51 PM EST
    makes it glaringly apparent that seeking compromise and consensus are outmoded and inoperable.   The strategy of the Republicans (the Tea Party and the rest who are  enablers) is to corral the weak- and like-minded,  not to build consensus.

     Indeed, consensus and compromise are an anathema to their strategy of prevailing without a majority.  Hopefully, the Obama administration fully recognizes the futility of bargaining with post-consensus extremists who have no intention to bargain.

    The nostalgia for that golden "bipartisan" solution is just that, nostalgia.   The logical avenue to governance in the face of this ignorant political science of a  shutdown, is the experience of a Republican's  ignorant biological shutdown ("in the case of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down")--ridicule and electoral defeat  Moreover, it is essential to recalibrate the strategy for governance in ways that accounts for post-consensus political activism and relies more on a broadened  Democratic/Independent base.

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    There is such a thing as (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by christinep on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 05:43:27 PM EST
    being open to compromise and/or appearing to be willing and open, while also being fully capable and ready to annihilate the opposition.  It is an interesting tightrope walk at times ... one where our President excels in many ways.  

    While early on, one seeking compromise can get whatever handed to him/her on a silver platter, the determined persistence and process of showing reasonableness tends to cut through the initial bravado of the know-nothing groups like the Tea Pot Repubs ... and, that is because the Tea Pots (and now the associated Repubs) lost their opening cachet a long time ago to the President who grew to be viewed by the general public as level-headed, reasonable, methodical, and even-tempered.  That is why President Obama, for the most part, beats the yelling and screaming opposition where it counts each time.  The funny thing is that they do not see it coming (and never have.)

    More than ever, I continue to believe that multiple-positioning such as practiced by this White House yields returns that have eluded us for many years.  Making a legislation and EO chart -- an actual results chart -- would show that.  (And, that being accomplished with the resistance occasioned by racist overtones and other "return to the '50s" types is a lesson in how to navigate the political field.)  Yes, the astute use and deployment of the strategy of compromise works much better than its opposite in the long run.

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    Yep, they have done a "hellva" (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:05:14 PM EST
    job compromising.

    --By Kevin Drum
        | Tue Oct. 1, 2013 12:22 PM PDT

    Yet another in my series of quick reminders: Democrats have already agreed to fund the government at Republican levels. In other words, they've already caved in. It wasn't even a compromise. They've just flatly given in to Republican demands to continue funding at sequester levels.

    This is the CR that Republicans now refuse to pass.

    Democrats Have Already Caved In to Republicans
    The Democrat-controlled Senate passed a continuing resolution, or CR--a temporary funding measure meant to keep the government operating--that would set the relevant funding levels at an annualized total of $986 billion. That's about $70 billion less than what the Senate endorsed as part of its comprehensive budget plan back in April. But that actually understates the extent of the compromise.

    When President Barack Obama first took office in 2009, his budget proposed $1.203 trillion in discretionary spending for FY 2014. The Senate CR is about $216 billion, or nearly 18 percent, lower than that. Actual enacted funding levels for FY 2010, when the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress, totaled $1.185 trillion in 2014 dollars. The Senate CR is about $200 billion below that, a cut of nearly 17 percent.

    After the 2010 midterm elections, the Republican Party took control of the House of Representatives and offered a budget plan that proposed dramatic spending reductions. That plan, authored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), envisioned FY 2014 funding levels at $1.095 trillion. Note that the funding in the current Senate-passed CR is about 10 percent less than the levels in the original Ryan budget.

    Finally, in August 2011, after a prolonged standoff over the debt limit, President Obama and Congress agreed to cut even more spending than the original Ryan budget demanded. The original spending caps in the 2011 debt limit deal limited funding to $1.066 trillion in FY 2014. The Senate CR accepts a cut of an additional $80 billion, or nearly 8 percent, from that compromise level. link

    I agree that the returns on his compromises will be felt for years to come.

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    There are a lot of measurements (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by christinep on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:26:43 PM EST
    My focus has been on measuring legislation/EOs/other results in terms of advancements that I--as a lifelong liberal--want to see.  Referring to what I wrote immediately above, with special emphasis on the emotional and angry nature of this opposition as well as the disastrous economic and war-like opening days that this WH was handed, I am amazed (and, btw, I do not use that word lightly as in the current fashion) at how much has been concretely accomplished in the first 5 years. Just look at the charts....

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    I am also amazed (5.00 / 4) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:42:31 PM EST
    (and, btw, I do not use that word lightly as in the current fashion) at how much has been concretely accomplished passing Republican agenda items in the first 5 years. The strides made in cutting domestic programs and drastically expanding what was once thought of of as Bush's assault on civil liberties is truly amazing.

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    I agree 100% (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:34:08 PM EST
    and have been saying the same thing for YEARS. This foolishness of Obama thinking that the 90's were the fault of Bill Clinton and not the GOP has caused more problems than anything. Apparently he know realizes that Hillary was right about the GOP but he's spent so much freaking time giving them what they want that he's emboldened the nut cases. And here we are with a country that has been shut down and is now being held hostage by the people that he wanted to sit down and sing kumbaya with.

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    I know this is serious (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by sj on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 11:42:00 PM EST
    People need and are counting on this information and service. But I have to say that creating a self-inflicted Denial of Service attack caused a burst of laughter made in complete disbelief. That's just incompetence on a major scale. And anyway, AAA didn't make a point. He simply quoted Reuters.

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    Computer glitches (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jack203 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:23:15 AM EST
    Go read Edgar's post above....

    and you teaparty fools are obsessed and whining about computer glitches on the first couple days of a nationwide system.

    Is pathetic you fools think exactly what drudge, hannity, and rush tell you to think.  

    The technical issues are not only not surprising, they should have been expected.

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    You are quite mistaken (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by sj on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 02:36:23 AM EST
    A few technical issues are not surprising, but failure on such a massive scale is another thing entirely. Heads should (and likely will) roll. Hopefully the right ones, though. It should be the person who hired the technical architects and the architects themselves. But it will probably be the developers.

    Did anybody do code reviews?

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    sj - not sure what to think (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jack203 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 07:11:56 PM EST
    But what I do know is this.

    -I've worked in information technology for major corporations and universities the last fifteen years. My #1 rule is expect incompetence and be pleasantly surprised when proven wrong.

    -Perhaps Experian are the biggest idiots on the planet, but I have yet to hear their side.  I do have a hard time believing they did not use ANY best practices in implementing such a high profile system.

    -Demand exceeded what the system was setup to handle.  This happens.  The official word is that design changes and more server capacity are needed.  By all means, give them some time to do this.

    -A full 30% of the population of this country is rabidly anti-Affordable care act and are in a fight to the death to kill it and discredit Obama.  There is a huge demand in this country to hear negative stories about the affordable care act.
    AAA is a card carrying tea partier and one who would love nothing more than it's demise.  

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    I've worked in IT for major (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by sj on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 08:04:30 PM EST
    and minor corporations for longer than that. And my #1 rule is to expect excellence until proven wrong. People tend to live up to expectations for good or ill. If you expected incompetence, I'm not surprised that you got it.

    It has been my honor and my privilege to work with some truly excellent staff over my career. To have gone in expecting incompetence from them would have been shameful. And had someone been expecting incompetence from me rather than competence I would have been out of there so fast it would have made your head spin.

    As for the demand exceeding what the system was set up to handle, I say... ya think? There is absolutely no choice but to "give them" time to fix this. They will take as much time as they need. What is the alternative?

    And btw I know AAA's positions very well. But he still didn't present a position and just quoted Reuters. Downrating that quote shows a fit of pique, IMO.

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    I'm impressed (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Jack203 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 at 10:00:46 PM EST
    You obviously work with some smart people.

    I'm good with data, very good.  It's my job to find mistakes, and much more often than not, I do find them.

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    Mistakes are one thing (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by sj on Tue Oct 08, 2013 at 12:03:50 AM EST
    Everybody makes them. That's why QA exists. And why your job exists. But incompetence is a completely different story. And btw, not to say I have never worked with someone who was incompetent -- that will never happen over the course of anyone's career. I'm just saying that I don't walk in expecting it.

    And yes, I do work with some really smart people. It's a pleasure to do so.

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    Speaking of swamps... (none / 0) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 07:24:15 AM EST
    I'm heading over to the Everglades to see if I catch any fish or get caught by the Park Rangers, Florida Wildlife Control, Homeland Security, Coast Guard, or others over there scaring the few fish that are left.

    Flip 'em the bird, Fishcamp (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Dadler on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 10:28:24 AM EST
    You go have fun, and take your pet gator in case it gets ugly.

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    Yea...how bout those Gators and Ducks... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 12:28:56 PM EST
    Went over to the edge of the Everglades, caught four nice yellowtail snapper in the Park and saw nobody checking.  I heard from some guides the Man is merely issuing warnings.  That is, of course, after he checks out all your safety equipment and runs your mane on his police thingie on his boat.  Along with life preservers and a fire extinguisher you must have a whistle...yep and you don't have to have an anchor.  Inside the park you can only have an 8' throw net as opposed to the 10' and 12' versions we all use.  Big fine for that offense.  Anyway I'll survive another day with fresh fish, bananas, mangoes, and papaya from the yard, and vodka from the corner store.  It's all good.

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    Mr. Zorba (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:40:22 PM EST
    is also out fishing today, in the Chesapeake Bay.  He has a buddy with a boat.  They woke up at 4:30 this morning in order to get going.
    I wouldn't wake up at 4:30 AM for any reason, but he loves fishing, and will go to great lengths to enjoy it.

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    I would... (none / 0) (#22)
    by DebFrmHell on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 03:46:31 PM EST
    Love to live in Annapolis. It was my favorite part of my trip to DC and surrounding areas.  The food was awesome!

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    Well, we happen to (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 04:22:20 PM EST
    live in Western Maryland, and it takes a long while to get to the Bay, which is why they woke up so early.  
    But I do love the Bay (and the ocean, for that matter).  And I adore fish and seafood.

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    They just flat closed (none / 0) (#33)
    by Amiss on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 06:19:58 PM EST
    the St. Marks Wildlife Refuge near Tallahassee.

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    Flat out closed the wildlife refuge? Oh, no! (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 09:54:44 PM EST
    Where will all the poor little critters go in the meanwhile, until it reopens? A cheap motel?

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    More conservative (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 06, 2013 at 02:14:01 PM EST
    meltdowns today bigger and larger it seems. They are desperately falling for every hoax.