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    BTD: don't hear any construction noise (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:16:53 AM EST
    You ARE apologizing for nothing!

    ooops (none / 0) (#4)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:20:08 AM EST
    in fact sometimes, I hear nothing at all.

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    Hate crime (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by lentinel on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:35:05 AM EST
    Several subway systems, including New York City's, had allowed a poster to be displayed which describes the Palestinians as "savages''. This is contrasted with a description of Israel as "civilized".

    The NYC Transit Authority allowed this to happen supposedly on  the premise of Freedom of Speech and the First Amendment.

    In my humble opinion, this is one big big crock - and a hate crime - since I believe it is an open invitation for violence against Muslims.
    Just what we don't need.

    The reason I feel that they are being hypocritical about the "Freedom of Speech" rationalization is that they certainly don't behave that way when it comes to others exercising their freedom of speech and right to assembly. Protesters - especially ant-war protesters, are routinely roped off, contained, and confined lest their heads be caved in by billy clubs or worse.
    NYC is not especially known for its tolerance.

    In fact, I can't think of any group that the MTA would tolerate being described as "savages". Puerto Ricans? Jews? Catholics?
    Black people? Don't think so.

    But Muslims? Open season.
    Haven't we learned anything from the devastation of the last 11 years?

    This was the result of a court case. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:42:12 AM EST


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    Interesting. (none / 0) (#27)
    by lentinel on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:53:01 AM EST
    I had not seen that.
    The report I read simply said it was OK'd by the MTA.

    If it is a sweeping First Amendment issue, that's gonna open a most interesting can of worms.

    Can you imagine political ads describing the antagonists in similar terms?

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    Link: (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:56:05 AM EST
    AP

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    thanks (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:00:37 PM EST
    I read it.
    The MTA said its hands were tied.

    The floodgates are potentially open - but I still will be surprised if "speech" that is equally demeaning to other ethnic, religious or geographical groups will find its way onto public billboards.

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    Posting this ad is not a "hate crime" (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:47:03 PM EST
    nor is it a crime at all.  It is clearly First Amendment-protected "speech."  And it does not describe either "Palestinians" or "Muslims" as "savages."  It says that "Jihad" undertaken against Israel is the action of "savages."  (Neither all, nor even most, Palestinians or Muslims support "Jihad" in the sense suggested in the ad.)  The ad is stupid and hateful, yes, and deliberately provocative.  But so is a lot of protected speech.

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    Parsing terms (none / 0) (#75)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 04:36:11 PM EST
    I wonder, though, how we distinguish between "hate speech" and speech that is hateful...?

    (Full disclosure: I am such a vehement opponent of everything Pam Geller says and does that I have come to believe her intent is always to create a hostile environment for anyone who isn't a Caucasion Jew from New York. And I also believe she wouldn't blink an eye if someone influenced by her speech took violent actions against Arabs and Muslims.)

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    Being fair to someone you disagree with, (none / 0) (#77)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:18:23 PM EST
    by not mischaracterizing their words, is not "parsing" in a derogatory sense.  And it is those with whom we most disagree whose First Amendment rights we must be most diligent in protecting, or else there is no freedom of speech at all.  "Hate speech," I suppose, is some sort of legally or sociologically defined category that I am not familiar with, or at least that's what it sounds like.  "Speech that is hateful" is an expression of my personal opinion and strong disagreement with the content of the speech.  To me, these are two very different animals.

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    I'm (none / 0) (#90)
    by lentinel on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:31:29 PM EST
    for freedom of speech.

    I think my reaction to this sign in the subways is based on several things.

    One is, as I mentioned, I think that Muslims are fair game, but others are not. For example, can you imagine a Romney ad suggesting that he is civilized and that Obama is a savage?

    Could one candidate put an ad up claiming to be masculine while the other is limp-wristed?

    Freedom of speech in the subway would end right there.

    And can we say f ck yet?

    We can say @ss, because Bush the First said, as he sent troops into Kuwait, that they were going to kick azz. Ever since then, you could say it on tv. But not f ck.

    We have freedom of speech only to the extent that the power elite chooses to let us have it.

    But another wrinkle to this is the traditional limitation placed on freedom of speech - crying "fire" in a crowded theatre. Although the word Jihad is used in the ad, the context in the ad infers Palestinians and Muslims. It is crying "fire" - especially in NYC.

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    NYC and tolerance.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by vml68 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:45:12 PM EST
    I was exiting the station at the WTC the other day and passed by a couple of construction workers. One guy says to the other, "Man,it's hard to tell who the f*cking foreigners are these days". I looked at him as I walked by him and he gave me the sweetest smile...guess it really is hard to tell... :-)!

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    old-fashioned 'anesthesia" (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by observed on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:32:29 AM EST
    in Kazakhstan.
    Medical care in KZ is modern in some aspects, less so in others. I've learned that there are procedures which would be done under anesthetic in the US which are handled a little differently here
    Your "anesthesia" consists of two or more strong men who old you still for the procedure.
    This is a throwback to the old days which I hope I get to miss out on.

    Wow! That must really, really hurt! (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:46:51 PM EST
    Big time hurt.
    And I would imagine, since it's a predominantly Muslim nation, they don't give the patient a good slug of whiskey to deaden the pain?

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    I really think that I'm officially (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:09:13 PM EST
    an "old f@rt."  I stopped at the convenience store earlier today to pick up a newspaper, and the young guy in front of me had on what I, in my apparent dotage, would describe as pajama bottoms, with the back of said pajama bottoms so low, they were exposing his boxers down to the level of right where his butt met the upper thighs.  I really wanted to go up to him and pull up his frigging pants, and then ask him if his mother knew he was going out in public dressed like that.  I did restrain myself, although my eyeballs were rolling to the extent that I feared they might fly right out of my eye sockets.
    Yes, yes, I know, I'm old and out of touch.  And you know the other thing I noticed?  The pattern on his pajama bottoms and the pattern on his boxer shorts were so totally different in color and design, they clashed!!!  Jeez, people, at the very least, coordinate your underwear with your outerwear if you're going to be exposing both!   ;-)    

    I've decided they dress like that (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:19:28 PM EST
    to amuse us. Ever see one try and run (and totally eat it) in that get up? :D

    Are they tying their shoes again?

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    That may very well be doing that (none / 0) (#57)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:41:26 PM EST
    to give us our jollies.
    And, yes, I have seen them trying to "hurry" in those get-ups, although I have not seen an actual fall (an awkward stumble, yes).  They display a very unusual shuffle, I must say.
    I admit that I didn't notice his shoes and whether the laces were tied.  I think I was so busy being bemused at the expanse of underwear showing (not to mention the clashing of the underwear with the outerwear) that I totally neglected the shoes!
    At this point, I'm not even sure whether I was more amused at the amount of underwear showing, or at the clashing colors and designs.

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    The great thing about being (5.00 / 6) (#60)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:48:06 PM EST
    an old f@rt is that you have reached the age where you can say anything you want to anyone and not care a bit what their response is.

    Yesterday, I went into a bagel place I've been patronizing for 25 years. The place has really started to go downhill. These people couldn't wipe a table clean if their lives depended on it. I made a simple request for a freezer bag and one of the guys behind the counter flippantly said, "We don't have them. Haven't had them for about 8 years! No!" and walked away. I asked the young kid filling my order, "Who was that?" He sheepishly said, "That's my manager." I said, "Well, your manager's a real asshole." He said, "The owner's even worse." And I replied, "I know. I've met that asshole too."

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    LOL! (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:10:56 PM EST
    Been there, done that.  I am of an age where I really, truly, deeply don't care a rosy rat's @ss what random people think about my opinions.  
    Although, to tell you the truth, I never did care all that much about other peoples' opinions of my opinions even when I was younger, I've just gotten even more willing to express them in public.      
    Old f@rt power!  

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    Listening to the absolute insanity ... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:28:29 PM EST
    that constitutes "mainstream thought" makes it fairly easy not to care how others react to my opinions.

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    Move over OWS... (none / 0) (#73)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 04:28:32 PM EST
    ...and make way for OFP...cuz here we come...

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    I love it! (none / 0) (#74)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 04:34:25 PM EST
    "Old F@rt Power"!
    And, on a slightly different note, in case the Republicans (or those too-many Democrats who, in my opinion, are not really "Democrats" any more) think that all of us old f@rts don't care about the younger generation, well, they're wrong.  Many of us do- I don't think that I'm the only one,.

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    To them we are (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 04:40:04 PM EST
    that unpleasant fringe group from the past: unreconstructed liberals -- the professional professional left.

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    Yes, it's true (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:20:07 PM EST
    We are a vanishing breed.  When Rahm Emanuel called us "dirty f*cking hippies," I wore, and still wear, that appellation proudly.    ;-)

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    I am not a fan of the underwear as outerwear (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by vml68 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:52:07 PM EST
    look. But, the time I really object to it is when I am packed like a sardine in a can on a crowded subway and the underwear brushes against me. It makes me a very unhappy woman!

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    The thing that defines you ... (5.00 / 10) (#62)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:54:55 PM EST
    as an "old f@rt" is this line:

    I stopped at the convenience store earlier today to pick up a newspaper

    ;)

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    Oh, no kidding, Robot! (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:03:49 PM EST
    I am certainly online a lot, and I check the news online frequently, too.  But dammit, I still like having a real, actual, printed newspaper!  And I like actual, printed books, too!  Not only that, I still write paper checks to pay my bills and (gasp!) mail them, as well as writing checks at the grocery store.  My kids laugh at me about this all the time.  
    I may go down about all the paper stuff, books, newspapers, checks, but by G!d, I am going to go down fighting!   ;-)

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    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:13:43 PM EST
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    Picky, Picky! (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:33:00 PM EST
    As long as the person in front of me on line isn't paying with a credit/debit card and jamming up the works as they swipe three times before they get it right, when all I want is to buy my paper and coffee and get the f8ck outta there, I'm happy;)

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    Sweetie, if you are (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:05:04 PM EST
    being seen in public, please at the very least make sure that your undies don't clash with the rest of your outfit.  I mean, really, consider our oldster eyeballs.  Coordinate, coordinate, coordinate!
    And I totally respect his right to dress the way he wants in public, but I also respect my own right to b!tch about his habiliment to various online compatriots, if I so choose.    ;-)  

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    Well, look at it this way: aren't you feeling (none / 0) (#65)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:04:57 PM EST
    just slightly silly for ever worrying about what you look like in public?

    Not that either of us would ever consider venturing out in public looking like we just rolled out of bed and threw on the first thing in sight, lol; I may not be dressed to the nines to do my grocery shopping, but I don't worry - nor does anyone else - that something I'm wearing is going to fall down or off and leave me half-naked.

    In the end, though, I guess I've kind of come to the stage of my life where getting upset about what people wear doesn't seem worth it, really - the objects of my disapproval obviously don't care what anyone thinks of them, so why should I give it any thought myself?

    Although I have been known to give my husband unsolicited advice about what he's wearing...  :-)  

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    Actually, I have never worried about (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:28:55 PM EST
    what I looked like in public, at least not since I was in junior high (do they even still have "junior highs," as opposed to "middle schools"?).
    I'm not personally invested in what he looked like, but I admit that I was taken aback and did wonder, first (I must admit), what his mother thought, and second, what any potential employer would think about anyone dressed that way.  
    Plus, I do think it's more than a bit rude to go out in public looking like you have just rolled out of bed and gone out without bothering to get dressed.
    I wouldn't use the word "upset" to describe my reaction, but I was thinking "would I hire this person, or want to have him dating my daughter"?
    But then, that's just me.    ;-)

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    Oh, I hear you - but the person who (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:48:25 PM EST
    goes to the 7/11 in pj pants probably doesn't go to job interviews that way - it's just that they are the same people who somehow think no one else could be looking at their Facebook page, either, so in "real life," probably don't worry they will run into anyone who matters while they are out and about.

    Am grateful my children absorbed the "you never know" lecture I gave them!

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    Now THIS ... (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:29:25 AM EST
    ... is totally cool! Check it out.

    That is cool! (none / 0) (#112)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:44:47 AM EST
    But damn if that bird don't look fake! Never heard of an eagle owl before.

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    at 1,000 fps the bird (none / 0) (#113)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 07:26:05 AM EST
    would not even be moving in that short sequence.  looks more like 400fps to me.

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    eagle owl (none / 0) (#117)
    by sj on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:52:10 AM EST
    In a way, that face looked almost feline.  What a cool bird.

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    The Romney legacy (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by shoephone on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 06:26:58 PM EST
    is already in full swing with the actions of his creepy a$$hole of a son, Tagg.

    Ha (none / 0) (#136)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 07:36:05 PM EST
    I was waiting for a Tuesday open thread to go after Tagg and his objection to hospice care because he wants a Mormon Temple on the site. (after he was apparently outbid for the property)

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    He's such a hypocrite! (none / 0) (#137)
    by shoephone on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 07:58:51 PM EST
    That's the part that really got me.

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    I hope this wasn't a (none / 0) (#141)
    by nycstray on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 12:20:20 AM EST
    surprise :)

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    Hooray....DailyKos radio (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 09:49:12 AM EST
    The only wonderful thing this stupid iPad provides me with.  easily totable all over the house DKos radio.  Is it just me, or is an iPad the most overrated expensive thing I will ever buy?

    It's the damn-i-need-a-keyboard-pad (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:57:21 AM EST
    laptops now aren't that much bigger, and since I type about 90 words a minute, I can't do the touchscreen thing, drives me bonkers.  But they seem to be selling well, which would be good because Apple is such a struggling outfit.

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    That is what I had to do with mine (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:20:37 PM EST
    I'm typing on this itty bitty keyboard now.  Which has to be charged separately.  It is so small it is not easy.  Josh's hands are very small, and now with so much writing at school and weak hands he will be fully typing his thoughts out earlier than his classmates.  I thought this would end up being good for him but we can't print from this thing yet and that is key, you have to give your teacher your work.

    Makes me want to throw it in the lake sometimes.  And I tried to watch a 60 Minutes episode that Jeralyn put up awhile back.  It is free on a PC but costs 4 or 5 bucks to watch on this.  Are they kidding me?????

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    Armando suffers overhead job creation in the (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:11:31 AM EST
    hardest hit construction sector.

    could hear this (none / 0) (#7)
    by athyrio on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:32:10 AM EST
    great and then lost it and don't know how to get it back...but the few minutes I heard it I was thrilled...I have IE Windows 7 so probably am screwed...anyone know how to get it back? it doesn't even announce who is the current show anymore it all disappeared except the name of the radio station

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    Mine is cutting out a little bit too (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:36:42 AM EST


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    Since this is an open thread, let me (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:21:16 AM EST
    just note how much I detest that graphic of kimdotcom.  

    And another thing, aren't these mostly (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:24:20 AM EST
    not-very-flattering gowns?

    Red Carpet

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    yep, yep (none / 0) (#13)
    by sj on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:44:09 AM EST
    Although loved Padma Lakshmi on the first page.  And didn't Kelly Osbourne turn out to be a lovely young lady?  Who would have thought it when The Osbournes first started airing?

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    Too many of them not flattering (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:52:47 AM EST
    Look here though, we are Americans.  We can wear any damn thing we want to.  Every now and then we go out of our way to make this independence very clear to the whole world :)

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    You can be honest with us (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:36:07 AM EST
    We've been with you for a very long time.  How do you really feel about Joe Lieberman?

    Pakistani Ministry of Railroads and Tolerance (none / 0) (#11)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:38:47 AM EST
    Puts Bounty On Head Of Anti-Muslim Filmmaker; Calls On Taliban or Al Qaeda To Collect the $100,000 Reward

    Meanwhile, back in the U.N., Egyptian President Demands Criminalization of Anti-Islamic Speech At United Nations

    And what's this about an International Blasphemy Standard?

    I saw Hillary Clinton speak this morning (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:47:27 AM EST
    About countries who focus on being a part of humanity surging forward and growing and prospering. And those where leaders focus on fomenting rage not going to the same place.  At first I thought she was speaking to some of this country's leaders, then I realized she may be talking about some different nations and some of their leadership.....but who knows for sure when the shoe fits.

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    Juan Cole rips Bill Maher (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:55:09 AM EST
    today re the latter's Islamaphobia.  

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    Juan Cole's disadvantage is that as a historian, (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:13:25 AM EST
    he can see that the rise of most of the major religions has followed the same pattern.

    It's hard to believe in a moral high ground if there's none to be had.

    Right Wing Religionistas would happily undo every millimeter of scientific progress we've made in the last two centuries.  

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    I watched Bill Maher say what was said (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:10:59 AM EST
    And he had Rushdie on too.  I don't disagree.  We are at culture clash with some fundy Islamists.  If Christians preformed every act that the Bible calls for or condones, we would all be stoned in this country and not in a good way.  Your religion does not get to be antisocial or antisocial discusion or even be protected from all criticism without experiencing culture clash.  Rushdie's new book is going to be my next read.

    When Christians get all crazy with me though, my question to them is always, "Is your God who you claim to be omnipotent really this small, this weak, this petty, this unable to deal with this?" It is a fair question.  If your God is all powerful and all capable how can one mortal person saying something be that relevant, what the hell are you doing?

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    "this small, this weak, this petty" (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:14:45 AM EST
    i.e., gods made in our own image.

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    God / Allah / Jehovah is not the problem. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:52:26 AM EST
    "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
    - Susan B. Anthony (1820-1906)

    It's all those people who truly fancy themselves as His intruments of judgment on this Earth -- not unlike L. Frank Baum's Wizard of Oz -- who are really this small, this weak, this petty, this unable to deal with this.

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    Wow, read it and really really disagree (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:37:52 AM EST
    At this point in time the global religion preaching murderous zealotry from some of their pulpits and getting a huge response are Muslims.  Bill Maher has not joined any crazed Islam hating rightwing group.  And he has blasted all religions for promoting and dealing in murder.  He makes fun of everyone too.  He made huge fun of Oliver Stone for being Buddhist....right to his face.  Boo hoo hoo, I demand Bill Maher's head on a pike :)  He's making fun of Buddhists.  He has joined the American Enterprise Institute.  He is a bigot.  He is preventing me from achieving enlightenment.  Mr. Cole went Sarah Paliin blood libel too, just crazy

    Now my daughter is never going back to the Christian church she went to for a short time either.  They cannot afford cable, but they stream Netflix on their television.  She watches more documentaries than I do.  Anyhow they watched Bill Maher's Religulous a few weeks ago and she calls me and tells me that now she feels stupid.  I don't want her to feel stupid, but his production about religion made both of them think and I don't think she will be a religion pushover now.  But it wasn't anything that I could say that kept her a bit safer in this goofy world, it was what Bill Maher had to say.

    I always had great respect for Hitchens too speaking about faith and religion and how it is abused.

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    Just read Cole, and I tend to agree with you MT (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 08:33:48 PM EST
    I am listening to Rushdie's book right now, and as a deeper thinker and more eloquent man than Maher, he explains the viewpoint better than Maher does. He sees a sickness in Islam in these times, and while it is obviously not infecting all Muslims, it is  dangerous. He has a big problem with liberals who deny that in the name of 'tolerance'.  Maher makes the same point about Islam and fundamentalist Chrisitanity. Now that they have the ability to get us all killed it is time to call BS on some of their viewpoints.  

    Maher has that angry attitude himself that does not come across as well as Rushdie's quieter personality and dry wit.

    I love Rushdie's description of himself in the book as a man without belief who thinks a lot about religion. He said it better than that though.

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    Yes, Bill Maher is angry about the death and (none / 0) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:46:41 AM EST
    destruction that religion has brought to human beings.  It is hard for me too at times because religious and Muslim controversy seems like it is always in my face.  Some soldiers thought that todays challenges called for proselytizing.  I suppose because they were deep down afraid, war gets ya killed and I guess inspires most to reach out to whatever their concept of God is.  But it closes the door to peace because without preaching peace from the pulpits we have clearly drawn lines around us and them.

    I'm very frustrated with Christians in my country.  I take them to task for ignoring their Buddha Christ and ignoring everything he told them all.  My husband knows much more about Islam than I do because he works closely with a Muslim chaplain and can teach his Muslim social understanding class too.  When Muslims go crazy my husband wants to know what they hell they are doing, this isn't who they are either.  This is who many mullahs and clerics are morphing them into.

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    Just read Cole, and I tend to agree with you MT (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 08:33:48 PM EST
    I am listening to Rushdie's book right now, and as a deeper thinker and more eloquent man than Maher, he explains the viewpoint better than Maher does. He sees a sickness in Islam in these times, and while it is obviously not infecting all Muslims, it is  dangerous. He has a big problem with liberals who deny that in the name of 'tolerance'.  Maher makes the same point about Islam and fundamentalist Chrisitanity. Now that they have the ability to get us all killed it is time to call BS on some of their viewpoints.  

    Maher has that angry attitude himself that does not come across as well as Rushdie's quieter personality and dry wit.

    I love Rushdie's description of himself in the book as a man without belief who thinks a lot about religion. He said it better than that though.

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    Creating an (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by MKS on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:14:40 PM EST
    idelogical war with all of Islam plays in Al Qaeda's hands by giving a lot of young men the opportunity to fight for "Islam."

    We can wage a war against Al Qaeda and similar other groups without creating a crusade against one billion Muslims.

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    Who is doing that? (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:06:07 AM EST
    This is in my opinion a ridiculous comment.  To tell the truth plays into no ones hands.  Al Qaeda is not Islam and is also decimated.  I find the lumping of all Muslims into one bin absurd.  To point out that some leaders are indeed fomenting rage and preaching antisocial pathology and behavior that calls for murdering others strengthens all psyches exposed to the truth.  And it isn't like this is the first globally observed faith to have this problem..

    You would think that Benghazi citizens taking on fundy militias would cause Americans to understand that not all people in the Middle East and not all Muslims can be thrown into the same bin, and we can speak honestly to each other.  We are all human beings first.  

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    I soo agree that truth is the way to go (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:56:39 AM EST
    It is just not honest to tolerantly pretend that what is going on is an acceptable expression of religion. Also, going to the other extreme and calling it all non-religous 'terrorism' is not accurate, and a feeble attempt to avoid hurting religious feelings.

    I get to where I am just so sick of all religion. I'm with John Lennon on that one. Imagine.

    Rushdie tells of one liberal who thought Rushdie was being unreasonable by not agreeing to include a flyer in his book that explained why Muslims found it offensive. Ugh.

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    I don't agree with Bill Maher (none / 0) (#134)
    by MKS on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 05:38:27 PM EST
    He tends to lump in too many in the same category.

    He is really clear that there is something really different about Islam.

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    I think he is obviously frustated (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:37:40 PM EST
    that we who insist we must have a faith will not check each other when we go antisocial and homicidal in our practice of our faiths.  Some of our faiths have called for climate change denial and denial of science too and has instead lobbied for adults to practice the magical thinking of humans under the age of 12. I'm not sure I can get real upset with him over this.

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    I think it is a little subtler than that (none / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:46:59 AM EST
    I think we who are used to more hierarchical religions like the Catholic church expect to be able to appeal to someone to keep the more radical members from going off the rails. (not saying it always works, but at least we know where to protest in, for example, the cases of priest sexual abuse). With Islam, we try to appeal to the wider Islamic world and it is harder to do that without it looking to some that we are blaming them all for the actions of a very few.

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    Spot on (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:21:21 AM EST
    While a few moderate Muslims say that they must end their tolerance of other Muslims inciting hate and violence.  Some have issued Fatwas against terrorism and violence and they get little support or acknowledgement from the press in this country.  Shame on our press for not allowing the sane to receive attention and be empowered as much as they like to focus energy on and empower the not so sane.

    The spotlight can be such a powerful social force.

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    Yes - I think equal attention to the sane would (none / 0) (#122)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:42:16 AM EST
    help in itself. Maybe a contagion of sanity would result.

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    Where would you place Madonna (none / 0) (#123)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:52:55 AM EST
    on the sanity scale?  Endorses Obama but says he is Muslim.  (Per Yahoo news.)

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    Everything Madonna says and does is (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by shoephone on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 11:04:01 AM EST
    in the service of shameless self-promotion.

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    Got my attention. (none / 0) (#126)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 11:07:56 AM EST


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    She is certainly not helpful (none / 0) (#127)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 11:48:21 AM EST


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    Do you (none / 0) (#129)
    by sj on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 12:46:09 PM EST
    not provide links on principle?

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    What, you doubt me? (none / 0) (#130)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 12:53:38 PM EST
    CBS

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    Not at all (none / 0) (#131)
    by sj on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:05:39 PM EST
    Or rather, "not really".  It's just that Google isn't really my friend and I prefer not to use it unless I'm shopping.  Then I do want it to track what I'm doing and make recommendations, and all the advertising is useful.

    Other than that I prefer not.  BTW your link (thank you for that) leaves open the possibility that she was being facetious and not ignorant.

    Just saying.

    :)

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    I gather You Tube is also available. (none / 0) (#132)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:12:17 PM EST
    (P.S.  How are coming on "Cleo"?  

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    Well (none / 0) (#133)
    by sj on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:45:40 PM EST
    I was enjoying it but hadn't gotten very far when I left it at a friend's house after a weekend trip.  Now that I've got it back I need to start over but I'm in middle of two other books and have a work deadline.  My two other books don't include the one-dayers, you know?

    I guess what I'm saying with all of this is... I'm watching too much TV?  or something?  ::sigh::

    :)

    Oh, and I don't go to YouTube at all during the work day.  Don't even have an audio card in my workstation.

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    I gave the book to one of my bff (none / 0) (#138)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:05:07 PM EST
    She is single but has a high number GS job here on post.  I don't think you can do her job without liking the whole soldier mentality and strategizing and yadda yadda yadda.  I tried explaining the book but ended with simply telling her she must trust me and read it.  She tried getting her book club to read it but they are enamored with 50 Shades of Abuse.  So she said she ended up buying it on tape so she can listen to it to and from work.  She loves it, says she gets this girl.

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    My book club took a pass on it also. (none / 0) (#139)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:11:25 PM EST
    Instead, I am laboring through this month's pick.  Torture.  

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    Double post, how did I do that? (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 08:34:35 PM EST


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    dang...now I have to 5-rate both of them, (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 09:34:48 PM EST
    from the Department of Redundancy Department

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    Does Maher advocate on air (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:48:01 AM EST
    the conservative Israeli line?

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    No, and it's funny cuz he'll say what he thinks (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:10:01 PM EST
    In one episode and someone will write a huge post about him being anti-semitic.  In another episode he will say what he thinks and someone writes a huge posting about him being a Zionist.

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    It's the same as with the Martin/Zimmerman case... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by unitron on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:07:31 PM EST
    ...try to be impartial and objective and each side is sure you're solidly entrenched with the other.

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    And I have to avoid that discussion (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:21:59 PM EST
    Because I am not capable of being impartial in any of that.  I am just not capable, but I suppose it is a good thing that I know that.  I have no honest idea if Zimmerman is innocent or guilty and I have no idea how the courts will decide this, and I suppose this is one time where I am happy that we have a system in place that when it functions properly is not ruled by those who cannot be impartial.

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    Miss Romney, speaking off the cuff, (none / 0) (#18)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:04:21 AM EST
    to his angry white constituency.

    Swing State Polls Pouring In Today (none / 0) (#26)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:52:45 AM EST
    Colorado: Obama 51% Romney 45% (PPP)

    Florida: Obama 50% Romney 45% (ARG)

    Iowa: Obama 51% Romney 44% (ARG)

    Michigan: Obama 54% Romney 42% (Rasmussen)

    North Carolina: Obama 49% Romney 45% (Civitas)

    Nevada: Obama 51% Romney 44% (ARG)

    Wisconsin: Obama 53% Romney 41% (We Ask America)

    All show Obama pulling away and all have him over 50%. Romney's worst week last week spills over into this week's polls. There may be additional swing states pop up moving from red to purple as purple swing states are changing from purple to blue.

    My predictions that Romney would ... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:00:04 PM EST
    implode in the fall and Obama would win more states than he did in '08 are beginning to not look so stupid.

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    As of right now (none / 0) (#31)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:01:15 PM EST
    the only state that Obama won in 2008 that he isn't leading according to the RCP averages is Indiana, and I can't find a poll from Indiana in the last month.

    By RCP averages right now,  Obama is now ahead in the electoral vote 347-191 (that's giving the Omaha district to Romney)

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    My reading comprehension sucks (none / 0) (#33)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:14:33 PM EST
    Obama doesn't top 50% in North Carolina yet as he is at 49% in that poll.

    Not considered Swing States at this point but three other state polls today

    Minnesota Obama +8 (Mason Dixon)
    Montana Romney +9 (Mason Dixon)
    Pennsylvania Obama +8 (Mercyhurst)

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    It's a dreary morning in Honolulu, ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:58:00 AM EST
    ... with lots of wind and rain, and thus a perfect day for me to leave for the Bay Area for the rest of the week. I'm off to the airport, and then to Oakland. Talk to you all later

    Here's hoping you don't need to... (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:14:41 PM EST
    open the window on your way there.

    Romney's wife, Ann, was in attendance, and the candidate spoke of the concern he had for her when her plane had to make an emergency landing Friday en route to Santa Monica because of an electrical malfunction.

    "I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don't think she knows just how worried some of us were," Romney said. "When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she's safe and sound."

    Science, how does it work?

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    Whatever is that giant sucking sound? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:20:54 PM EST


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    It's Ann (5.00 / 7) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:23:43 PM EST
    flying out the window that Mitt wants opened.

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    kind of like Michigan in NCAA polls. (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:25:41 PM EST


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    Kinda like ... (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:17:57 PM EST
    ... what happened to the title character in the 1963 James Bond character Goldfinger.

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    Mitt has always worried about (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:26:14 PM EST
    lack of oxygen during travel.  That is why Seamus was on the roof of the car being fed oxygen like it was coming out of a fire hose.  Pets are precious things :)

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    How will Obama work that incident into (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:30:39 PM EST
    a debate????

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    I used to worry about that (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:34:05 PM EST
    But Mitt gave me so many reasons to never have to worry about going there. I always in my mind go there because I am a dog person.  And who in the hell puts a dog crate on top of a car and attempts to tell everyone that the dog loved it?  A horrible a$$hole, that's who.

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    I do have a question though (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    When he bonused those on his campaign team did he pay them slightly differing bonuses just make them wonder and doubt?  When I read that he did that at Bain I died laughing.  He would have owned my husband.  My husband would have stared at the ceiling for hours every night trying to figure it out.  He would have spent a lifetime trying to get that perfect bonusing formula worked out :)  He would have worked himself to death.

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    If he had just stopped (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:27:40 PM EST
    at the end of his first sentence one could have a little empathy for the man. But, by the time you finish wading through that dissertation of disjointed gobbledygook you can only scratch your head and think, "what a meatball!"

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    On the other hand (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:30:12 PM EST
    Mitt claimed that Seamus' dog kennel was air tight.  Perhaps that is how Mitt came to understand the dangers of air tight travel :)

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    Is this Romney attempting to make an (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:32:28 PM EST
    argument for more deregulation?

    Because I think having windows that open is just what today's passenger aircraft need...::rolling eyes::

    Some days, as I watch people throw cigarette butts and other trash out their car windows - for some people, the world is their ashtray/trash can - I kind of wish they weren't able to be opened, either.  

    As for Mitt Romney, his concern for his wife is understandable; what astounds is how much stupid comes out of his mouth every time he opens it.

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    Why didn't I think of that? (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:23:47 PM EST
    A good job creating idea, just not expressed "elegantly."  Sliding glass airplane windows, or, even a moon roof that opens would be an aesthetic feature for air travel including checking the trees for the right height on take-off and landing, an economic boon for the airline industry eliminating the costs of oxygen masks, and a safety factor providing a place to go when there is a fire in the aircraft.  I don't see any down side to this.

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    A moon roof doesn't leave (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:38:07 PM EST
    those uglifying marks on your face like oxygen masks do.  I would rather cough and choke in 1st class than disembark having less class than my horse has in its hoof.  Stop It!  This was hard! There were many things to worry about on that flight that you people can't understand.  If you think it's easy get on this plane and I'll set it on fire.

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    Yes, it is hard. (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 02:09:23 PM EST
    but we can't stop it--this is an idea whose time has come.  Next idea: screens for submarine windows--we can't stop the fresh air movement.  Join Mittens and air breathers everywhere.  After all, 78 percent of the atmosphere is moocher nitrogen which did not build it, just  a taker from oxygen.

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    NYT re "illegal immigrant" terminology: (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:41:43 PM EST
    Public Editor

    It's an interesting issue.  I asked a friend, who was born in the U.S., whose mother was born in Mexico, if he considered the phrase "illegal immigrant" demeaning.  Answer was a resounding "yes."  Then I searched for the term in U.S. immigration laws.  It is there, a change from "undocumented alien."  

    Voter registration... (none / 0) (#47)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:50:32 PM EST
    Rmoney style.

    Guess they figured they wouldn't have to worry about there being any D's in Colorado Springs.

    This brings up a very important point. (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by NYShooter on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 01:34:09 PM EST
    Unless some really negative surprise comes up between now and  Nov.5, it looks like the election is Obama's  to lose. The only thing that has me a little queasy, though, is this republican voter suppression plan.

    While some Progressive blogs have written about it, the MSM has, more or less, ignored it. I don't think the general public has a clue as to how big, or determined, this operation is. The Wingers have signed up hundreds of Right Wing zealots to form, and lead, cadres of election site "observers" in two thirds of the states so far. They are undergoing training right now, and are massively funded by the usual suspects, such as Dick Armey, and the Koch duo. I think they know this is their only hope for victory in November, and after seeing what they're capable of ("Swiftboat") I wouldn't sell them short.

    So far, I haven't seen much of an organized response from the Democrats, but seeing what an enthusiastic ground game can achieve, (see Obama, `08) I hope they take the attack as seriously as the Republicans do in launching it.


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    The Pennsylvania Case (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by christinep on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    The suppressive (as well as difficult to understand) PA voter-ID legislation has been garnering significant media coverage in the past month or so.  As the challenge wended through the PA court structure--being upheld at the initial review level & being remanded with specific directions to show feasibility at the State Supreme Court level--attention to the matter & extensive efforts to obtain the not-readily-available-yet ID cars have accelerated.  (Last week, I read that some Democratically-controlled counties, such as the key Montgomery County, might exercise a "loop-hole" in the new legislation, which would allow for unlimited ID issuance in individual counties at schools & nursing homes.)

    In Colorado, re-registration efforts to offset the Repub Secretary of State's rigid purging motif--whereby voter rolls for mail-in ballots were purged, resulting in the "purges" in Denver area being about 86% Undeclared & Democratic voters that were among the 4,000+ effected--have been underway since this summer.  The Denver Post has grown weary o this resource-wasting effort by Secretary Scott Gessler...and said so; once with a strong editorial noting that he appears to be chasing after nothing, etc.

      Our registration group continues to work our designated - area on a weekly basis.  Some good results; it is heartening.  But heck...we must be too "ethical" since one of the members yesterday--while going door-to-door encountered a couple newly moved to  Denver...from Utah...both Repubs...and (guess what) both Mormon.  We all had a small laugh when she related the background & how she then registered them.  She did the right thing.  ( We can say that probably because
    we haven't been so challenged in the conscience area
    before.)

    P.S.  I'm quite concerned also about intimidation efforts at the polls by  Repub "posses" or whatever they call themselves.

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    Apparently Bill Bellachick (none / 0) (#79)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:20:20 PM EST
    didn't like the refereeing last night.  Or he was trying to get the ref's attention to say goodnight.

    Whatever, only time I was able to check on that game, Ps were up 30-21 final qtr and I figured it was over, maybe I didn't miss much.

    Apparently I did ...

    Bill Bellachick (none / 0) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:38:44 PM EST
    was wrong and the officials were right. Listening to Bill Bellachick today, he just wanted an explanation as to why the kick was good. He was wrong. He knows it. He's looking for cover. Can't blame him, because it's going to cost him.

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    although (none / 0) (#81)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 05:42:22 PM EST
    I think it's spelled Belichick but I'm from Florida and haven't a clue.

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    Broncos coaches were hit with heavy fines (none / 0) (#84)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:10:22 PM EST
    for their actions toward  the officials at last week's Broncos-Falcons game.

    Head coach John Fox was fined $30,000. Defensive coordinator Jack del Rio was fined $25,000.

    Next up for fines? Well, the NFL is looking at Belichick, Baltimore head coach John Harbaugh and Washington assistant Kyle Shanahan.  

    Roger Goodell better stop his grandstanding, chest-puffing act with the striking officials and settle the strike, or I expect trouble to break out on a football field any day now.

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    Coaches trying to intimidate refs (none / 0) (#85)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:21:26 PM EST
    been going on forever

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    Of course it has. Things are much worse (none / 0) (#86)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:26:22 PM EST
    this season, though, because of the incompetence of the scab officials.

    Usually, when a coach pitches a fit I roll my eyes. This season, though, there have been way too many epically bad calls.

    Goodell needs to settle with the striking officials.

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    And let me add that no matter (none / 0) (#87)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:28:41 PM EST
    how bad a call is, or how game-effecting the bad call is, there is no excuse, absolutely no excuse, for ever setting one's hands on an official.

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    Well... (none / 0) (#101)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:03:02 PM EST
    if the end of tonight's C-Hawks/Packers game doesn't do the trick, I don't know what will.  

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    I didn't see the game. What (none / 0) (#104)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:30:52 PM EST
    happened?

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    Just saw video of the end of the Seahawks- (none / 0) (#106)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:42:13 PM EST
    Packers game. OMG! Jennings so clearly intercepted that pass. And the two officials that were right there could not even agree on what call to make. This is insane.

    I can think of two games this week alone where bad calls by the officials have cost a team the game. Tonight, of course. Green Bay was robbed. And in the Lions-Titans game the officials penalized the Lions 27 yards instead of the 15 yards they should have measured off.This 12 yard gift to the Titans let them kick the game winning field goal.

    I know there are more examples. I hope the owners are screaming at Goodell right now.

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    Coach Jerry ... Something (none / 0) (#92)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 08:01:45 PM EST
    Quite a character.  

    I miss some of the old school hot heads too like Ditka and Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler.  The real screamers.  Quality sideline drama and entertainment for gridiron fans. Occasional punching of players.  Must see teevee.

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    His name's Jerry Glanville. (none / 0) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:36:03 AM EST
    That video was from the time when he was head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. Back then, he gave a guy named June Jones a break and hired him as his offensive coordinator.

    Years later, when Jones was head coach at the University of Hawaii, he returned the favor and hired Glanville as the Warriors' defensive coordinator. The players loved him.

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    Well whatever, but I prefer (none / 0) (#82)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 06:01:56 PM EST
    my way of spelling it.  ;)

    I also greatly enjoy it when coaches vent in public.  Probably healthier for em too, especially Bellachick who strikes me as the type who keeps things a little too bottled up inside.

    I don't follow sports... (none / 0) (#91)
    by unitron on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:51:52 PM EST
    ...but it sounds like the proper spelling might be "bellicose". : - )

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    Daily Kos (none / 0) (#88)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:01:30 PM EST
    does a little write up on my beloved congressman today and possibly that of fishcamp and keysdan if we don't stop this guy November 6.

    Rivera also happens to be best friends with Marco Rubio. What kos managed to leave out (because it's considered old news now) is that Rivera managed to have a casino pay $1 million dollars to his mother for work that he supposedly did in an attempt to hide it from the public.

    Guess I could (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 07:02:35 PM EST
    supply the link

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    So many "good" aspects (none / 0) (#125)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 11:06:13 AM EST
    of the Rivera story.  I like the one where, in sworn documents, he reported on his legislative disclosure statements that his primary source of personal income besides from the Florida legislature, was from his consulting work for the US Agency for International Development.  In 2010, the Miami Herald reported that USAID never heard of him--having never worked for them. Rivera amended seven years of disclosure statements.  Apparently, this income came from dog track owners.   Yes, Marco Rubio and Rivera are friends and co-owners of a townhouse in Tallahassee that was involved in a foreclosure tangle.

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    Romney Florida Ad (none / 0) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37:47 PM EST
    I see this as a failure as an ad for Romney. Looking forward to other opinions. I have seen it at least ten times in the last two days. It appears to be the only Romney TV ad running in South Florida in English.

    Marco Rubio for Romney

    Not a good ad, IMO. (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:51:00 PM EST
    I'm sure there are some selfish seniors who just want to get theirs and screw everybody else. I don't think the vast majority of seniors are like that, though.

    People want their kids and their grandkids to have Medicare, too. They don't want them to have something "less".

    I don't see this as a winner for Romney.

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    Aloha from Oakland. (none / 0) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:57:15 PM EST
    Speaking as a Seahawks fan, the Packers were just victimized by one of the most egregiously bad officiating calls I've even seen. Get rid of the replacement refs, and bring back the professionals. The end of the game was a joke. The Packers have a valid reason to feel robbed -- because they were.

    Aloha from Maui, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:20:05 AM EST
    : )

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    We're two ships passing in the night! (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:27:22 AM EST
    Enjoy Maui. Hope it stopped raining over there.

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    Looks like the Packa (none / 0) (#103)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:21:22 PM EST
    defender clearly had more possession of the ball, and got it first, than the Seattle receiver, who looked like he was more trying to wrestle it away than maintain possession.

    Tough break for the Pack.  And to make it even more ridiculous, by rule the TD scoring team had to go for the extra point, even though the game was good and won.

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    A bad call determined the game's outcome. (none / 0) (#105)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 11:41:52 PM EST
    And that's not what the refs are supposed to do. If there isn't a loud outcry directed at the commissioner's office to end the officials' lockout, I'll be really surprised.

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    Since you're in Oakland (none / 0) (#107)
    by nycstray on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 12:23:34 AM EST
    how about the non-call on the hit on Heyward-Bey?

    BTW, enjoy your week here, the weather should rock! :)

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    Tuesday Morning (none / 0) (#118)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:54:34 AM EST
    Obama on "The View". It's on ABC in 5 minutes on the East Coast.

    Slight correction (none / 0) (#120)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:01:20 AM EST
    it's both Barack and Michelle on The View

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    by ruffian on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 12:13:34 PM EST
    the UN on NPR. I like the content and the tone. Forcefully standing up for free speech even when that speech is deplorable. If it is Romney's criticism and the election year that brings it out, god bless him.

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