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    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    has some information about the gunman who killed people inside the Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

    There will be much more posted (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:44:30 AM EST
    any minute now. (I'm double-posting this from the reply I just posted to your double-post in the earlier thread.)

    The FBI has more info in its presser, ongoing now, which I am watching live.

    The FBI also is seeking someone else "acting oddly" at the scene afterward.

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    Thanks Towanda (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:07:40 PM EST
    I will look forward to your updates. The coverage on national channels is abysmal, your local insight will be very helpful.

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    Shooter's family in Denver is shocked (none / 0) (#58)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 07:36:55 PM EST
    per new reports here.

    They seem, as we say here, like good folks.

    But more needs to be known, and he lost his mother at 13, and his father and stepmother didn't take him with them to Texas, so he lived with grandmother (ahem: a la Dahmer).

    And then our taxes sent him into years of military psyops work, which would seem to have potential for messing with the mind.  

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    seeking someone else "acting oddly" (none / 0) (#16)
    by unitron on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:25:56 PM EST
    In those circumstances, how could you tell odd from normal afterward?

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    "Person of interest" has been cleared (none / 0) (#57)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:58:24 PM EST
    by FBI.  I saw the photos and video of him at the site, and I can see why he was worrisome -- but that's all.  Shooter still seems to have acted alone, at least here -- although part of several groups based elsewhere -- or, as media always find someone to say, he was "something of a loner."

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    It looks (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:56:01 AM EST
    to be another example of conservative terrorism.

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    From NYT: (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 02:34:26 PM EST
    Officials at the Southern Poverty Law Center said they had been tracking Mr. Page for about a decade because of his ties to the white supremacist movement and they described him as "a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band."

    They said Mr. Wade played guitar and sang vocals for a band started in 2005 called End Apathy.

    "This guy was in the thick of the white supremacist music scene and, in fact, played with some of the best known racist bands in the country," said Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the center. "The music that comes from these bands is incredibly violent and it talks about murdering Jews, black people, gay people and a whole host of other enemies. It is music that could not be sold over the counter around the country."



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    This is all the atheists' fault! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 02:45:58 PM EST
    Pat Robertson told me so.

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    The atheists? (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:11:19 PM EST
    Is there any indication that the Wisconsin shooter was an atheist?  Jeez.  Pat Robertson has always been very, very strange.  I would feel sorry for him, except that there are still people who listen to him, and believe him.

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    Good for Rev. Pat (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:06:44 PM EST
    (a graduate of my law school) for saying this (in linked story): "... whether it's a Sikh temple or a Baptist church or a Catholic church or a Muslim mosque, whatever it is, I just abhor this kind of violence, ...."  His followers need to hear him equate mosques, Sikh temples, and Catholic churches with Baptist and other Protestant churches.

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    Typical stupid dumbed down (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:46:20 PM EST
    for short attention spans network tv:  tuned in NBC's Today show this am to catch some Olympic highlights of yesterday which I missed b/c out all day and night Sunday.  Wanted to see 100m race -- which they showed on the top of the hour news roundup, but only the final 20m.

    Jaysus H. Immanuel -- they can't even spare a whopping 10 seconds to show the entirety of arguably the most important event of the Games.

    I was so mad last night (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:21:58 PM EST
    I had the Olympics on the other TV while I watched Breaking Bad and kept checking up...no 100m, no 100m...couldn't take another heat of another race ....next time I checked I saw the very last replay of the 100m  they did right after the race. So I missed it.  Aaaargh.

    this was after I tuned in at 4:50 pm when their own NBC app said the 100m final was. What were they showing? Horse jumping.

    But Slate has a stickman re-enactment. Enjoy!

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    I Actually Made o concious Effort to Stay Home... (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 02:14:16 PM EST
    ...so I could watch the Olympics this weekend.  I like them, and while there are events I would never ever watch normally.  But the Olympics gives me a chance to catch the worlds best.

    Well GD if I didn't get to watch replays of nearly everything I had seen earlier in the week.  The stuff they showed in prime.  I have the guy swim about 3 times as many races as he's actually swam in.   NBC, there are other events, a lot of them.

    And what is their fixation on horses and water polo.  I am guessing the horses because of who is in the stands, but still can't figure out water polo.  But they play a lot of it.

    And I am really disappointed that there wasn't that much track & field coverage, unless they are saving that for prime time this week.

    I think in the future, the IOC should make whoever buys the rights to show nothing but live coverage when it's being played and save the tapped stuff for when they aren't.  If that means they dedicate two stations, then so be it.  But we should be able to watch the most popular events live.

    Really, what they should do is chop it up like the NFL, they bid on the events they want.  Then at least the networks will be competing and NBC can't just milk the money and soak the fans.

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    As someone whose daughter did (none / 0) (#29)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:01:42 PM EST
    the local and regional horse-show thing for years, I really like to see the show-jumping - it's something that never ever seemed to get any coverage for a long time - and it doesn't look like as much of a feat on the TV, but it's quite something to see in person.

    And unlike a lot of other sports, this one depends on more than just the human - it depends on the horse, as well.  I know most people probably don't care, but it's not easy to make sure your horse takes off for the jump at the right point, gets the right number of strides in between jumps.  In competition, you don't get to do any kind of practice on the course - you cam walk it, so you can at least figure out the kinds of approaches you want to make and what the lines are, but the first time the horse sees the course is in competition.

    My husband used to say that watching horse after horse after horse jump the same course was like watching paint dry - so I get why people get irritated to see show jumping instead of something else.

    And let's face it: most people see the sport as being all about rich people - and to a great extent it is.  These are horses that cost into 6 figures, with expensive trainers, grooms, travel and hotel expenses, enormous entry fees, expensive tack and rider equipment and required wardrobe.  And it's a very insular and cliqueish world that doesn't take kindly to outsiders.

    So, why do I like to watch it?  Because there's beauty and athleticism in these horses that's remarkable to watch, and impossible not to appreciate.

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    I do like to watch the horses (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:30:44 PM EST
    for many reasons. Just not when I know the men's 100m is being run live and NBC is withholding it from me!

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    I agree with your husband. (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:04:02 PM EST


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    He loved to watch my daughter ride, (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:10:25 PM EST
    but seeing her go around a course was enough - he didn't need to see 15 others do the same thing.  

    In general, there were far more horse show moms than dads, so I think he had plenty of company!

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    I couldn't figure out what nbc was doing. (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:17:01 PM EST
    Do they really think there is a national interest in horse jumping/dressage that's great than many/most of the other sports? Watching one or two horses is cool, but hours of non-stop coverage during prime afternoon viewing on Sat and Sun? Not at all my bag, no offense to you or your daughter...

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    No offense taken, lol...I haven't been (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:40:36 PM EST
    able to figure out NBC's so-called game plan for this Olympics, either; I was shocked to see the show-jumping yesterday, but, in true NBC form, they didn't show all of it.

    And even though it wasn't live, I watched - or tried to - the men's 1500 meter freestyle swim, but at one point, the announcer said, "well, with 30 laps of the pool still to go, we'll take a time out here and be back."  What?  They could do a looooong story on the Chinese guy favored to win it, the controversy over him being trained by an Australian, but when it was time to show the race, they had to cut away for commercials?  

    Ridiculous.

    They've done this kind of thing with a lot of events - and maybe it's just me, but this year, it all just seemed so much more disjointed, and I feel much more jerked around than I remember from past Olympics coverage.  The live stream on the web was full of commercials and took forever to load.  

    Others seem to have fared better and have a higher opinion of the coverage, but I'm not one of them.

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    I do understand NBC's dilemma (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:28:48 PM EST
    It is not like 'the olden days' when the masses had no way to know the winners before the prime time show.  We are so much more aware of what is going on in the world 24/7 than we used to be that delaying showing the events just seems silly now, even though I understand NBC wanting to build up a viewership for their prime time show.

    I don't think their model can even last one more Olympics however. Aren't the advertisers realizing we are not watching the ads? Don't most people tape even the prime time show and watch it on delay? I could not take watching it any other way.

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    Try this for streaming (none / 0) (#48)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:31:55 PM EST
    BBC1

    I don't have a BBC2 or 3 link, but you should be able to find a source :)

    You will get the equestrian events on this link though (or so far I have) and they're  doing pretty good with TF, swimming, gymnastics etc along with cycling, rowing and etc. No commercials to speak of.

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    Rank amateur events (none / 0) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:26:04 AM EST
    are a different thing altogether.  With no personal kid in the game, I have little to no interest in it. Olympic-level competition, OTOH, I could watch for many hours.

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    I wouldn't expect most people to have (none / 0) (#68)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 09:05:48 AM EST
    any interest at the amateur level without a kid involved, but well, all those adults riding those magnificent horses were once little girls and boys taking lessons, doing Pony Club, or the local horse shows, before graduating to and competing at the higher-level circuits.

    It's funny...I used to marvel at friends and co-workers who would talk - whine/complain - about the one-hour soccer games, or the 90 minute lacrosse games, and the two practices during the week.  We were fortunate enough to live next door to the horse farm where my daughter's large pony was boarded and where she took lessons - so we didn't have the commute - but she was in the barn every day after school, grooming her pony, mucking out his stall, helping with feeding and turn-out, cleaning tack - whatever needed doing.  Horse show days started before the sun came up - we were in the barn by 5:30, car packed up and ready - and after wrapping her pony's legs for the van ride, we would set out and not usually get back until 8:30 or 9:00 in the evening.  And it was a lot more expensive, I can assure you, than paying Rec Association fees and paying for a t-shirt, shorts and socks; there is a lot of financial sacrifice that goes with riding, at least for us there was.

    Now, there is a lot of down time at a horse show, but any way you look at it, it's a long day for everyone - maybe especially the horse show moms and dads.  And while playing soccer or lacrosse in the summer heat is hard, imagine sitting on a hot horse, in a shirt, jodhpurs, boots, gloves and a helmet in the blazing sun...And, as a parent who worked full time, that was an entire Saturday of my weekend - and some shows were two days, so I had no weekend.

    And honestly, the week we spent in Culpeper, VA was the most exhausting week of my life.

    On the positive side, my daughter and I both made friends we still have today.  It kept her out of the malls and connected to me at time when most pre-teen age girls want to be as far away from their parents as possible.  She learned the value of really hard work, how to save money (she bought her own saddle and helped with some of the expenses), and sportsmanship.  And a lot about herself.  

    You can call it rank amateur, and I understand the context of your use of the term, but it discounts not just the thousands of kids - and their parents - who have made riding a part of their lives since they were toddlers, doing the hard work, putting in the time - but all the kids who play sports, and the parents who support those efforts.  Brooks Robinson, Johnny Unitas, Cal Ripken - these gifted athletes weren't born into major league sports - they were amateurs once, too!

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    I Understand Anne... (none / 0) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:31:06 PM EST
    ...but to me, if Kate and William and the queen didn't have a relative competing, it would not have made the cut.  I believe they thinking people would tune in just for that.  And the  really sad thing, is they are probably right.

    I swear, after Phelps and Gabby, they are the ones shown the most in highlight clips.  Which is fine if they were our countries royalty or we lived in England.

    For me to enjoy a sport, I need to understand it.  And since I have never watch either on any serious level, it's almost impossible for me to watch.  I think that's probably true for most people and since neither sport is ever shown anywhere, it's just odd.  One would think they would show events according to popularity, but they aren't.

    Track and field, to me, is the cornerstone of the Olympics, for them to not show it's premier event live, well that is inexcusable.  But I suspect, and I have not looked, that event(s) is/are something they wanted to save prime time, not realizing/caring it's so popular that nearly everyone already knows the results.  It's a shame.

    I will say this, I am very glad that someone, that I sort of know, really enjoyed it.

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    Totally with you on this (none / 0) (#61)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:22:23 AM EST
    NBC should have a dedicated "horse channel" for the summer Olympics.

    I've been down ringside for a couple of top non-Olympic events, and the size and power of these horses going over the jumps is breath-stopping.

    Part of the reason, just part, other folks don't get it is because the commentary is so horrible, IMO.  The horses are tremendous athletes with non-human biases and peculiarities, and each horse is different, so each rider has a different combination of factors to guide the horse through.  I find it fascinating.  And incredibly beautiful.


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    Watch events (none / 0) (#34)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:20:55 PM EST
    On the free app on the phone or on the computer.

    I've had a few glitches on the laptop, but my phone streams the games beautifully.

    Between the TV and the phone (especially here at work), I've watched equestrian, tennis, badminton, gymnastics, synchronized swimming (today), judo, fencing, volleyball, beach volleyball, track and field, table tennis, trampolining, archery, rowing, kayaking - I've seen pretty much at least a little of everything.

    Also good if you get it for the lesser known sports - NBCSports channel in the morning.

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    Too much horses and (none / 0) (#49)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:42:19 PM EST
    water polo is about right.  One is a bit too elitist and frou frou, the other is the water sport where the referee -- wherever he is -- constantly is blowing his whistle yet play continues.  Has the look of a sport that's easily more fun to play in the backyard pool than to watch on the teevee.  Same goes for equestrian -- much more fun to mount up and ride than to watch a bunch of rich people dressed in ridiculous uniforms saddle up.

    Of the two sports I'd dump the elitist horsey stuff from Olympic competition.  Also the shooting sports and the brutishly stupid sport of weightlifting.  Tennis too -- we already get too much of it year round as it is.

    One sport I'd never seen before that's delightful fun to watch in summer -- river rafting.  When I grow up and make my first $20million, I want one of those artificial river rapid things for my backyard!

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    Ah (none / 0) (#64)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:43:33 AM EST
    I like the lesser sports.

    Too much swimming and track for me.  Here I was thinking we had gone from "All swimming-all the time" to "All track (and little field) - all the time."

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    I'm old enough to recall when (none / 0) (#67)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 08:27:21 AM EST
    pole vaulting was a bigger deal for American spectators-- probably when we were more dominant.

    Saw the women vaulters last night and began thinking how ridiculous it was-- and how space alien visitors would be confused by it.  "Our records show humans stopped building castles in their Middle Ages.  No known modern purpose has yet been found for this curious activity of running a distance with a long heavy pole, placing one end in a hole in the ground, then vaulting over a bar. Even stranger than 'throwing the discus' and 'putting the shot'."

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    I think my favorite taped moment ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:58:57 PM EST
    ... was the men's 1500M freestyle final, which is about a 15-minute race. They talked like they were live, and showed the first 4 or 5 minutes of the race, before cutting away for a 2-min. commercial break, and telling us theat they'd have to conclusion when they returned.

    And when they returned, voila! All those swimmers had somehow managed to cram about 7 minutes worth of swimming into that 2-min. break, because when NBC returned, we got see the final three minutes of the race.

    What can you do, but laugh and role your eyes?

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    actually . . . (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:08:00 PM EST
    less than 10 seconds ;)

    That's pretty f'ed up they didn't show the whole race. I mean they own the freakin' footage!

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    I remember (none / 0) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:21:40 PM EST
    when Bullet Bob Hayes set the World Record in 10.06 to be labeled the fastest man alive. With three one time World Record holders in the 100m championship yesterday, the only finalist not to break 10 seconds was former World Record holder Asafa Powell who pulled up midrace. They were smokin (and somehow ignored the beer bottle that landed behind them just before the gun).

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    The gift of the BTD F bomb (none / 0) (#1)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:18:48 AM EST
    and then Jesse:  "giving Mitt Romney's ego a paper cut."

    I hope he gives the music credit for the break (none / 0) (#3)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:33:09 AM EST
    music - very nice.

    Came in on the middle of the CNN discussion. Could not agree more - what a waste of all those resources they used to have.

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    Debussy (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:04:31 AM EST


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    Ha! I thought you and Jesse started your (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:06:28 PM EST
    own drum circle.  

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    Thanks, it was relaxing without (none / 0) (#20)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:15:32 PM EST
    being too sappy. Were those real nature noises in there?

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    Lots of technical problems today though (none / 0) (#5)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:59:08 AM EST
    Hope that gets sorted out, they did a really clear show last week.

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    Do you remember where the problems came? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:05:15 AM EST
    That was my first time running the broadcast so I was not really able to truly monitor how it sounded.

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    I'm not totally sure how you have it set up (none / 0) (#8)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:14:59 AM EST
    it sounds like you two are conversing on Skype.  Jesse kind of came in and out on volume over the last 20 minutes.  You were pretty steady in volume throughout but it sounded like you lost signal a few times.

    So maybe if you listen to the tail end of the program you'll hear some of the trouble spots.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:51:25 AM EST


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    Also heard at the very start of the program (none / 0) (#17)
    by vicndabx on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:45:40 PM EST


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    when I came in during the CNN discussion (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 11:59:19 AM EST
    there was some echoing of the voices, like the computer speakers feeding back into your microphone. Do you both use earphones to listen? That would probably help with that.

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    yes (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:11:17 PM EST
    other issues there.

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    The closing music was a great deal (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:05:51 PM EST
    louder than the talking that preceded it.  (I didn't hear most of the talking portions.)

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    Yeah, i had to turn that off! (none / 0) (#21)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 01:16:14 PM EST
    Liked the Debussy a lot better.

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    From our "Cocoa Puffs for Cuckoos" file: (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 02:15:47 PM EST
    Did you know that Gabby Douglas was actually expressing her anti-American sentiments subliminally by dressing in a pink leotard during her gold medal performance? Well, I know that, because Fox News told me so.

    Honestly, this is the sort of hateful jingoism being peddled by Republicans that makes me want to walk down to the Hawaii GOP headquarters a couple blocks away from my office, and punch out the first idiot I see emerging from its front door.

    FOX News told you so? (2.00 / 2) (#60)
    by heidelja on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 10:37:12 PM EST
    It appears you have let Huff News spin for you what FOX News says... per your link. Why not check out FOX News directly to verify your source of possible disinformation?

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    Suggesting someone check out Fox News (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 08:13:22 AM EST
    to verify their disinformation-of-the-day makes about as much sense as suggesting someone look outside to verify that the sun rises in the east.

    Some things are just a given, and Fox News = disinformation - of some of the worst kind, in my opinion - is one of them.

    But lest you think I am unfairly singling out Fox, I should tell you that I don't believe any of the major media outlets do even a passable job of informing and/or educating the public.

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    No spin involved (none / 0) (#65)
    by Yman on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:58:18 AM EST
    The link to the Fox News video is right there.

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    Go get 'em, tough guy. (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 02:54:04 PM EST


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    What in heaven can they have against (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:33:02 PM EST
    Gabby Douglas?  I can't bear to click the link.

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    She's wearing pink! (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by sj on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:12:45 PM EST
    No red white and blue stars and stripes in sight.  

    You're not getting out of it that easy :)  Here's the bit:

    "You know, Gabby had that great moment, and everyone was so excited, and she's in hot pink -- and that's her prerogative," Camerota said. Webb, who hosts a program on Sirius/XM's "Patriot" channel, wondered, "What's wrong with showing some pride?" He likened the uniform choice to a "kind of soft anti-American feeling that Americans can't show their exceptionalism." Camerota pointed out how other nations, like China, wore nationalistic colors.

    "We're a very nationalistic nation," Webb said of America. "But we've also lost over time that jingoistic feeling."


    Can I state for the record that whatever "jingoistic feeling" we've lost is a good thing?

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    Didn't they all wear (none / 0) (#52)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:38:01 PM EST
    the same thing?

    Perhaps she was expressing her girl power :)

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    Much as I dislike Slate (none / 0) (#54)
    by sj on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:50:00 PM EST
    This encapsulates the molehill Fox News made into a mountain.

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    Gabby is my new hero (none / 0) (#56)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:06:00 PM EST


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    Webb is (none / 0) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:28:28 AM EST
    a very major nutjob right-winger.

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    Who knows? (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 05:46:33 PM EST
    One could be forgiven for having the sinking feeling that this is yet another Fox News dog whistle to white wingnuts out there, that those who don't look like them can't possibly be as American as they are.

    But honestly, I don't think that's the case in this instance. Rather, what's actually on display here is a remarkably vacuous argument promoting the notion of "American exceptionalism," as proferred by the "professionally outraged" class of right-wing American journalism. And all they can do to advance their contention is manufacture a false controvery where one should otherwise not exist.

    Aloha.

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    USA Soccer (none / 0) (#35)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:26:34 PM EST
    in a great match right now. Tied 3-3 late with the winner going to the gold medal game.

    On NBCSN for those with cable.

    online

    HERE

    for cheap people like me

    I can only follow on the NYT blog (none / 0) (#37)
    by lilburro on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:30:59 PM EST
    but it's driving me crazy nonetheless!!  What a game!!  USA!  Liveblog

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    Thirty Minute (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:35:02 PM EST
    overtime coming up

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    NBC site (none / 0) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:38:16 PM EST
    says a shootout. They messed that up.

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    GOOOOOAL (none / 0) (#43)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:15:59 PM EST


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    GOOOOOAL (none / 0) (#44)
    by Politalkix on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:16:12 PM EST


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    OMG! (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:14:46 PM EST


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    I'm not (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:17:05 PM EST
    a soccer fan but that was worth every minute as Alex Morgan scores on a header with about 30 seconds left in overtime for the win.

    USA wins 4-3

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    USA wins on a header w/in last 20 or so seconds. (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 04:16:36 PM EST
    Fantastic.

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