Republican Convention: Final Night and Open Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2012
Posted on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:02:30 PM EST
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So Mitt Romney and Clint Eastwood will speak tonight. Is anyone here watching? (Heads up: I am not.)

In other news: The Justice Dept. gives the Bush-era CIA interrogators of detainees a pass- no criminal charges.

George Zimmerman's new judge is Debra Nelson.

Aurora shooting news: CU psychiatrist Lynn Fenton testified today at a hearing that she had only met with James Holmes once, five weeks before the shootings, and that he could not be considered her patient after he dropped out of school. Prosecutors want access to whatever it was Holmes mailed her, saying the privilege didn't apply. The defense countered the package contents are privileged and informed the court Holmes had tried to call Fenton 9 minutes before the shootings. [More...]

But Fenton said on the stand that her doctor-patient relationship with Holmes ended with their meeting mid-June, the day before his student access card was canceled, CBS News correspondent John Blackstone reported.

University officials said Holmes' access card was canceled because he had dropped out of the neuroscience program. A school spokeswoman also said they conducted a criminal background check on Holmes before the movie theater attack.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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Oh, c'mon, Jeralyn! It's Eastwood! (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:34:07 PM EST

After all, who better to reach out to those aimlessly angry white males in the U.S. A., than a sneering octogenarian with snappy cliches?

Poor Mr. MT (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:13:26 PM EST

Clint Eastwood just abandoned his stupid volunteering a$$ in Afghanistan. The Indy Mr. MT expects you guys to abandon him and hate on him sometimes, that is your job as Liberals. But when Republica Dirty Harry abandons him in Afghanistan just to hate on President Obama a little bit better, his jaw hits the floor and he mumbles "Wow"

Clint says "we" didn't investigate (5.00 / 5) (#13)
by oculus on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:51:21 PM EST

what happened re the Russians in Afghanistan. Shouldn't he be talking about the "W" administration?


: Sheesh. There's re-writing history... (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:54:05 PM EST

and then there's just blatantly lying. This convention has brought it all into stark relief.

As a liberal (none / 0) (#7)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:29:16 PM EST

I don't hate on those volunterring for the military unless they willingly and knowingly commit atrocities. I hate the people who send them there without a clear plan on how to achieve the goals and get out. And I definitely hate on the phony, corrupt leaders of those countries who allow their innocent civilians to be kidnapped, tortured and murdered by the "enemy combatants," and then turn around and ask us for more money.

Since I'm not watching the conventions, I don't know what Dirty Harry said, but I'm sure that, whatever it was, he got a booming, extended standing ovation.


: I didn't mean for you to take my comments (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:02:17 PM EST

So harshly. I know that you guys don't hate soldiers, but demand accountability and you have a healthy suspicion which I think it would be very unwise to lose....ever :)
Clint Eastwood made fun of President Obama being Anti-Iraq War, and then dissed him for Afghanistan by saying that maybe he should have checked with Russia on the success of that. I will always think of Afghanistan as a success because of the intel in dealing with fundy terrorism we got. We finally came to understand that Pakistan is currently no friend of ours too as well as where her nukes are and which nukes are probably most in danger of being accosted by fundy Islamists with terrorist designs. We got Bin Laden too. Even if we can't get Afghanistan out of failed state, the mission for me is always going to be one of our greatest military successes and about the safety of our nation.
Dirty Harry throws me. Who knew he was all about allowing those who threaten us, and very successfully attack us...just walk. I knew that was what Bush and Cheney were about, let that guy walk while we bleed the treasury and we'll still have a job scaring everyone because he's still out there. But Mr. Make My Day is made of the same stuff too? Disappointing

Wow! What was up with Eastwood? (5.00 / 6) (#9)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:41:38 PM EST

I'm about ready to put him in a senior assisted living facility, after that almost unintelligible ad-lib performance. That was really embarrassing, and painful to watch.

Definitely time (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by Zorba on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:22:41 AM EST

to take the keys away from Grandpa.


I just watched the video clip of Eastwood's (none / 0) (#39)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:48:43 PM EST

...performance. "Painful" is an understatement, Donald. Sadly, that bit is going to be remembered more than Romney's vacuous 20 minutes, and not remembered kindly.


I wondered about that as soon as he came on. (none / 0) (#45)
by sallywally on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:04:20 PM EST

He had what almost looked like bad bed hair, which would not seem to be likely in such a high profile appearance.

I didn't think he was deteriorating. He's just putting out a new movie, isn't he?


: Yes. About a deteriorating baseball (none / 0) (#48)
by oculus on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:13:39 PM EST

scout, played by Clint Eastwood.

Romney is quite bizzare (5.00 / 3) (#11)
by DFLer on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:44:59 PM EST

His mug is just weird!

"when you lost your $22 an hour job, you took two jobs and $9 an hour!"

and that's a good thing? wtf

He actually said that?? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:52:14 PM EST

These GOPers are flat-out nuts.


yes (none / 0) (#18)
by DFLer on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:56:00 PM EST

he was waxing on about tough and can-do americans are (i think)


Shoot, now you made me look. And listen. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:06:35 PM EST

Romney is a lying liar of the first order. And what a hypocrite talking about Obama outsourcing to China. Look in the mirror, Willard. He's blaming Obama for food prices?? Romney gives a flying fig about the poor?

12 million new jobs? What'chu talkin' about, Willard? This guy has no ideas at all, other than the same trickle down cr*p that has never worked and never will. He wants to strip mine the country until every gallon of water in polluted. What a cascade of phony platitudes. He's got NOTHING to offer. Oh, Willard, don't start talking about women. Don't go there...don't even go there...

See, now I'm mad.


Shorter Willard: (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:07:39 PM EST

Keep women barefoor and pregnant.
Outlaw homesexuality.
Make religion the law of the land.

: Oh, and this: (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:08:46 PM EST

4) Make war. Everywhere.

Don't forget, "the $22/hr. job (none / 0) (#17)
by oculus on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:54:34 PM EST

w/benefits." Poor delegates were flummoxed when he started talking about JFK.


Romney had ordinary folks (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Repack Rider on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:52:26 PM EST

...come out and talk about what a warm, HUMAN-like guy he was.

Is this the Wizard of Oz or what? Romney is accused of being a Tin Man, so when he asks for a heart the Wizard gives him a 'testimonial' and says it's all he needs.

There's not much that irks me more (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:11:44 PM EST

than xtians salivating for an even more right wing, militarized Israel.

Not one new idea. Not one. (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:14:03 PM EST

What a disgusting, stupid spectacle.

And there they stand... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:17:00 PM EST

Beevis and Butthead with their very, very blonde wives.

I feel so much better now, nowing the country could be in the hands of these...humanoids.

I am no doubt biased... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by magster on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:28:56 PM EST

... but I thought that was about as riveting as a Lawrence Welk rerun.

With Welk... (none / 0) (#55)
by unitron on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:02:44 AM EST

...you might get great instrumental work by someone like Henry Cuesta.


: and bubbles (5.00 / 1) (#57)
by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:17:21 AM EST

I (5.00 / 3) (#35)
by lentinel on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:30:50 PM EST

just saw a clip of Clint at the convention.
Speaking of Obama he said we had to "let him go". Then, smiling, he made a gesture of cutting a throat. Seriously bonkers.

And then, I heard the end of Romney's speech. He ended it by saying something really great, inspiring and thought provoking; Ready?

"The future is out there. It's waiting for us."

Now that is a slogan to take to the bank.
I always loved the "we're the ones we've been waiting for" thingy.
But "the future is waiting for us" - sooo much better.
Why should we wait for ourselves when the future can do the waiting?

The future is waiting for us.
You see, the future is already there. It's been there for awhile... waiting for us. Waiting and waiting. While we try to catch up to the future that is waiting for us, the future goes father into the future and has to wait even more.

Anyway, it's a very rosy allusion by a very rosy cheery fellow asking to pick our pockets and blow us to smithereens. Where do I sign?

He was channeling the ghost ... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:42:58 PM EST

... of Thomas Dewey's 1948 campaign, when Dewey said, "You know that your future is still ahead of you."


"Why should we wait for ourselves . . . (5.00 / 4) (#41)
by Towanda on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:53:18 PM EST

. . . when the future can do the waiting?"

That made me cackle.

And then it made me thirst for a drink, a serious drink. Make it a double.


: OK. (5.00 / 2) (#69)
by lentinel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:40:25 AM EST

I'll second that.
Olive or twist of lemon?

Well, one thing seemed obvious to me. (5.00 / 2) (#36)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:40:03 PM EST

Mitt Romney's speech could not have been written by a professional. And if it was, that writer should have his or her license revoked for being under the influence.

It was disjointed, rambling, muddled and at times, it simply oozed with insincerity. Romney talked about himself way too long, and his policy proposals were a series of vague generalities with really awkward segues in between. And if there's any karma, that crack about global warming is going to come back to haunt him.

On a night when he needed to knock one out of the park, Romney instead hit a week dribbler back to the mound. If the Democrats can't top this sorry-a$$ed GOP sad sack parade next week in Charlotte, they deserve to lose.

Just heard a brief clip (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:33:37 AM EST

His lofty speechifying voice is so fake. Ugh. I don't think anyone ever taught him to speak from his diaphragm.

Of course the content I heard was boilerplate BS, as expected.


"they" said he wrote it himself, (none / 0) (#40)
by DFLer on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:51:11 PM EST

in the main


I'd be blaming someone, not taking credit for it.. (none / 0) (#43)
by magster on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:54:25 PM EST

He (none / 0) (#46)
by lentinel on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:07:16 PM EST

wrote the speech in the main?
Is that writing it in the loo?


: I meant in Maine! ;o) (none / 0) (#76)
by DFLer on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:51:53 AM EST

I thought someone might take umbrage for my use of that phrase, but decided to post it nonetheless.

It was a "chicken in every (none / 0) (#42)
by oculus on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:53:49 PM EST

pot" speech. Women, family, jobs, good education/vouchers, lower taxes, reg. reform. You name it.


Meanwhile, (5.00 / 2) (#50)
by lentinel on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:17:41 PM EST

in the real world, A.G. Holder put the final nail in the coffin of any hopes that the perpetrators of torture in the Bush era would ever be prosecuted.

The Times says that, "the decision will disappoint liberals who supported President Obama when he ran in 2008 and denounced what he called torture and abuse of prisoners under his predecessor."

I'm way past being "disappointed" by these guys.
I'm numb.

: And, thus, once again ... (none / 0) (#73)
by Robot Porter on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:47:37 AM EST

the people who pull Obama's strings are revealed.
But most Dems don't care. They base everything on the letter after a pol's name.

: I never thought we would ever have (none / 0) (#86)
by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 01, 2012 at 04:36:16 AM EST

Charges or convictions.

Watching a Glee rerun (none / 0) (#1)
by ruffian on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:24:26 PM EST

I do like their rendition of 'Paradise by the Dashboard Lights'. That Lea Michelle canreally belt.

My politics antidote.

ARRGH!!! Sacrilege!!! (none / 0) (#5)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:42:06 PM EST

That's like saying Celine Dion has a credible cover of AC/DC's "Shook Me All Night Long."

Paul Ryan mentioned earlier that AC/DC was one of his favorite bands. Well, I bet Malcolm and Angus Young never cranked up the distortion as high as Ryan did last night.

;-D


we're watchng (none / 0) (#20)
by cpresley on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:06:02 PM EST

the Giants game and the 49er's game so we don't have to watch the convention. Let me know how the convention went, so far the giants and 49er's are ahead, how are the Republicans doing?


: Here, this will ... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:15:49 PM EST

... give you a pretty good idea.

Loud mistaken for good (none / 0) (#53)
by unitron on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:46:07 PM EST

"That Lea Michelle canreally belt."

Remember a while back when she and Chenowith swapped verses on the same song?

And it was obvious which one had actually been taught how to sing?


: I agree with you on the Chenoweth (none / 0) (#66)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:18:59 AM EST

comparison with a Broadway song. But on a rock 'n roll song, I think Lea could take her.

Regarding the Justice Dept announcement (none / 0) (#2)
by ruffian on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:27:11 PM EST

I guess I should have been waiting for the other shoe to drop after that favorable MPG rules announcement the other day.

Brilliant new ad (none / 0) (#4)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:42:04 PM EST

Parody called "Legitimate Rape" shows how crazy and disgusting this evening's TV stars really are.

"Honey Boo Boo" (none / 0) (#8)
by Angel on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:35:40 PM EST

outdid the RNC in the ratings war last night. Lots of bad jokes can be made of this.

Someone was just telling me about (none / 0) (#12)
by Anne on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:45:44 PM EST

that show - said it was like a terrible accident you really didn't want to look at, but couldn't look away from.


Bill Maher keeps making Honey Boo Boo jokes (none / 0) (#62)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 03:55:37 AM EST

and I have no idea what he's talking about.


MT, I just googled Honey Boo Boo, and (5.00 / 1) (#63)
by caseyOR on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 04:09:25 AM EST

trust me, you don't want to know what it is. You are better off living in ignorance of this show.

I wish I didn't know. I now understand there is such a thing as too much knowledge. :-(


: Had to do it, too (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by Yman on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:12:44 AM EST

Sometimes I think there should be strict licensing standards for having/raising children.

You (none / 0) (#64)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:07:51 AM EST

are going to have to watch it MT simply because living in AL you see these people every time you go to Wal-Mart or Piggly Wiggly ( I'm guessing you have Piggly Wiggly).


: Ahhh Yes (none / 0) (#70)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:01:00 AM EST

I looked it up, and Dothan is the center of child beauty pagent America.

It is (none / 0) (#65)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:09:54 AM EST

a train wreck. The whole time you are like I can't believe they really do this or live like this. I heard about it on facebook from a friend and since it takes place in GA, I had to watch an episode or two. I wish I had not.


: I haven't watched it, have only read about it (none / 0) (#71)
by Angel on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 08:05:31 AM EST

and that was enough to scare me away. Redneck-ognize? Hilarious but really stupid crazy at the same time.

I guess (none / 0) (#75)
by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 09:51:46 AM EST

The audience must have been made up of mostly Democrats since they weren't watching the convention.


Actually (5.00 / 1) (#77)
by CoralGables on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:47:20 AM EST

the Honey Boo Boo fans would more likely be those dwindling Palin supporters that had no interest in the convention this year.


: Hmmm... (none / 0) (#78)
by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:01:46 PM EST

It scored more viewers in the 18-49 year old category than the RNC convention.
Gotta believe lots of those are college kids and were college kids in 2008.....

No (none / 0) (#80)
by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:06:54 PM EST

these are people that typically vote republican but NEVER watch conventions. I used to live not that far from where they are and believe me I know. These people have been voting R since about 1968 or so with the exception of Jimmy Carter.


It was kinda snark (none / 0) (#82)
by jbindc on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:15:58 PM EST

Because seems lots of people on liberal blogs seem to know an awful lot about the show.

I had to ask my co-workers - never heard of her before.


: I heard all about it on the Slate Culture Gabfest (none / 0) (#84)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:38:22 PM EST

podcast which probably skews to a more liberal demo. Never seen a minute of the show and don't plan too. But I get the references.

The online NYT front page (none / 0) (#10)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 09:44:43 PM EST

has live video feed of Romney speech. I can't bring myself to turn on the sound. Or even watch, for that matter. The guy is so smug and smarmy looking. Gawd help us if we end up with this cretin.

Here, you'll appreciate ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:10:53 PM EST

THIS, THIS and THIS.


: OK, now that was funny! (none / 0) (#28)
by shoephone on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:13:06 PM EST

PLus, I love anything that looks like pulp art.

James Holmes admission records... (none / 0) (#21)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:06:04 PM EST

from Iowa. Nothing really jumps out in the written submission, so his interview must have set off a lot of alarms to get a "Do NOT offer admission under any circumstances" recommendation.

Did you read the last letter on (none / 0) (#38)
by rjarnold on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:48:02 PM EST

page 12? It seems very poorly written and would have given me weird vibes if I were on an admissions committee. In my opinion, while the other letters weren't quite as bad, they seem full of bs, which I guess is common in many application letters. But I agree they probably would have forgiven that had he performed decently in his interview.


: I did. (none / 0) (#49)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:15:47 PM EST

Seemed like a young kid trying to sell himself. Certainly nothing I saw that screamed (alleged) "future serial killer" or indicated any overt signs of mental illness. After all, he wasn't applying for admission to the Writer's Workshop.
Obviously good enough for him to get an interview.

Wow. Some names not redacted (none / 0) (#44)
by Towanda on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:59:31 PM EST

of faculty, and some students easily identifiable.

I cannot imagine that this release meets FERPA minima. Someone oughta sue.


By the way, it may have been the interview (none / 0) (#54)
by Towanda on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:46:37 PM EST

but more likely it was parts of the application (not admission, as he wasn't admitted) packet that are not here and are crucial, the letters of reference from past profs and possibly others. Those can have all sorts of coded subtexts.

And then there are the calls and conversations that occur for which there are no records. . . .


Too funny (none / 0) (#26)
by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:11:28 PM EST

It's like an 80's rock concert. Someone on stage bites the head off live chickens, sets different things on fire, beats guitars to splinter and then takes a dump on stage: thousands cheer wildly and bras and panties are thrown on stage in worship of a lowlife who will treat large quantities of women like $hit.

So, in other words... (none / 0) (#32)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:21:08 PM EST

your typical Ted Nugent concert.


: yeah (none / 0) (#33)
by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:25:24 PM EST

Ryan's speech getting (none / 0) (#47)
by observed on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:09:50 PM EST

some excellent "fact-checking" from the press.
Even FOX news was ripping him for his lies.

New Dylan video... (none / 0) (#51)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:25:15 PM EST

"shockingly violent" per Rolling Stone. It's certainly a bit odd.

Of greater interest to me, a straight ahead rock and roll album from Bob Mould. Shades of Hüsker Dü. I guess hanging out with Dave Grohl and the rest of the Foo Fighters rubbed off on him.

wish I hadn't watched it (none / 0) (#61)
by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 01:31:18 AM EST

Yuck. What was it? A social message against stalkers? The music didn't go with the visuals, it was hard to follow both. I definitely won't be buying that album.


: I have no idea. (none / 0) (#83)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:34:06 PM EST

I kept wondering if Bob had joined the MS-13 or something. I could swear his eyebrows were painted on.
I guess the message was not to screw around with guys on ladders. Not really sure what that has to do with a whistle in Duquesne, PA.

So I was ordering some doggie toys (none / 0) (#52)
by nycstray on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:25:32 PM EST

and on my confirmation email there was a note about shipping to the Uptown/Charlotte, NC area. Is this normal?

: Looks like Federal Express... (none / 0) (#56)
by unitron on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:04:58 AM EST

...ain't so federal after all.

: I got one too when I ordered (none / 0) (#67)
by ruffian on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 06:23:28 AM EST

something last week - said that packages to Tampa and Charlotte may be slower. I was thinking there may be some extra security screening.

Assessment of Clint: (none / 0) (#58)
by oculus on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:27:48 AM EST

Reuters

I can't bring myself to watch... (none / 0) (#59)
by desertswine on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:34:06 AM EST

the republicans on tv, so I'm reading a book instead; "How to Live Safely in a Science Fictional Universe." A blurb on the cover says its hilarious, but I haven't cracked a smile yet. In fact, I find it rather sad.

How to Live Safely in a Science Fictional Universe (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by magster on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:38:30 AM EST

It's pretty easy. I walk around in a satin-y space suit and big purple helmet, and people pretty much stay away from me.


: Good start (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by sj on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:03:33 PM EST

And no doubt your purple helmet is properly lined with aluminum foil. But make sure your phone and RFID chips aren't undoing all of that and leaking information...

That's how I felt about (5.00 / 2) (#81)
by sj on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 12:07:47 PM EST

"The Corrections" when it came out. Raving critical reviews which I thought were stark raving mad. I didn't like any of the characters. I really tried to finish it for my book club but just couldn't stomach it. Still went to the book club, though. Food and wine was not to be missed.


: Had the same experience w/ "Freedom" (5.00 / 1) (#85)
by shoephone on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 07:37:55 PM EST

Franzen's a really cr*ppy writer.