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A new Quinnipiac University released today indicates Hillary will win huge in November. She's 10 points ahead and Trump continues his downward spiral. Politico reports she's 16 points ahead in Virginia.

If you want to know about the Clinton Foundation, and why Hillary and Bill did nothing wrong, I recommend you pre-order Joe Conasen's new book, Man of the World: The Further Adventures of Bill Clinton. I received an advance copy (which may not be the final version) and it debunks many myths.

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    Jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:11:38 PM EST
    I hope you get to watch Hillary's speech she gave today. It was a thing of beauty.

    Good timing on a strong speech (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by christinep on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:24:02 PM EST
    Yes, the HRC speech today was well-constructed, comprehensive tho compact ... powerful in the way that speaking the truth is.

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    Just finished the doc film 'Fear of 13' (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    recommended by McBain and Peter G.

    Just stop what you are doing right now and watch it. It's only a couple of hours and is absolutely riveting.

    I am more and more convinced the jury system needs to be seriously re-thought. I hate to contemplate that for every Nicholas Yarris and Damien Echols, and hopefully one day Adnan Syed, that come out of these horrible experiences with a spiritual growth and grace that a privileged being such as myself can only envy, there are probably 1000 more that have their spirits destroyed and never get released, or are killed. There quite obviously can be no greater crime or injustice.

    The ups and downs these people (none / 0) (#34)
    by McBain on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:14:28 PM EST
    go through....

    DNA evidence can set them free...
    But the court won't order a new test

    Now the court says OK to new testing
    But the lab lost the DNA sample

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    didnt Scalia (none / 0) (#41)
    by linea on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:48:14 AM EST
    make comment to the effect that "factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached" (?)

    i expect there is a Scalia "school of thought" in american courts. those who feel the court ruled and the decision should stand... like a referee at a sports game. am i wrong?

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    quinnipiac is one of the better polls (none / 0) (#1)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:03:58 PM EST
    but it's really moot (smile).  the number-crunching wonks have the state by state electoral votes indicating a hillary win (~84% change of winning to trumps ~16% chance of winning per nate silver's 538 blog). it's pretty much done. i mean, it is done. it's just not possible for trump to flip the needed states. the election is over as far as im voncerned. president hillary clinton... the first women elected to the office. hopefully, she will have a chance to nominate several scotus justices and the choice and gay rights issue will be secure for our lifetimes.  

    only 5 pts ahead in AZ and basically tied in NC (none / 0) (#2)
    by pitachips on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:38:28 PM EST
    I think she will take both - NC very handily but AZ by less than 1%. Romney only won NC by 2 pts and he won AZ by 10.  

    Election night is going to be amazing. I wonder what the GOP will look like in a year.


    even if trump (none / 0) (#3)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 08:55:37 PM EST
    wins AZ (i think he might) he cant flip NC... and also flip FL and OH and IA and he needs all of those to win. cant be done. it just cant be done. election night... i'll be out with friends at the local "social house" and it will be a serious party. there goes my diet. liquid calories are the worse calories!

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    I'm thinking about (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:14:54 PM EST
    having an election watching party, the first one ever.

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    what is the (none / 0) (#6)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:23:18 PM EST
    the "Alt-Right" exactly? people are using the term as if it's an actual thing so what is it? teaparty... libertarians... populist nationalists (gasp)... what? what's the stated platform of the Alt-Right? or is it just a slur against donald trump to insinuate he's a neo-nazi or some such political name-calling like associating "liberals" with clandestine communists? like that? i dunno. can sombody explain the term?

    It's a rebranding (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:27:01 PM EST
    Campaign by white supremacists.   So yeah, it's a completely accurate slur against Donald Trump

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    oh (none / 0) (#17)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:42:47 PM EST
    trump = alt-right = white supremacists?

    cuz trump is a nazi skin-head pro-hitler fascist who wants to exterminate the jews because they betrayed the fatherland and commited deicide by killed jesus? seriously? you people... seriously.

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    I think your bus is leaving (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:44:42 PM EST
    i dont know what that means (none / 0) (#20)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:01:54 PM EST
    It means "alternative right." (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:30:29 PM EST
    It's a term that's been adopted by elements of the far right, including the radical fringe, to distinguish themselves from more traditional American conservatives.

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    so what are the stated platform and policies then? (none / 0) (#31)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:03:07 PM EST
    What am I -- your personal encyclopedia? (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:17:34 PM EST
    Look it up yourself. And for the record, I'm really not buying this faux naiveté on your part. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're trolling. As such, I'm done interacting with you here.

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    ok i did (none / 0) (#38)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:52:00 PM EST
    i found it on wiki.

    im hardly naive. i repeatedly mention on this blog that ive attended university and im well-educated. i feel i am challenging some of the more over-the-top posts on this blog. i am also completely astounded that my "lawyerly rebuttatals" are recieved with such hostility including accusations of being a republican troll particularly since all my initial posts on this blog were bernie supportive and the fact that i consider the gun stance by the liberals on this blog to be wholly inadequate.

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    That is not Acceptable (none / 0) (#46)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:41:45 AM EST
    i feel i am challenging some of the more over-the-top posts on this blog.

    And you will be dealt with appropriately.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:46:39 AM EST
    Trevor but we don't think the alt-right is a thing worthy of praise. And if you consider that "being dealt with" then so be it. We are going to push back against the rotten conservative movement and all it stands for.

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    The conservative movement (none / 0) (#50)
    by MKS on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:11:43 AM EST
    does not really exist anymore.

    What does such a movement stand for?

    Conservatives lost the culture wars.  Marriage equality really undid them.  Religious conservatives are finished politically.

    A "robust" foreign policy.  No one seems all that eager for adventures abroad.

    More tax cuts for the wealthy and trickle down?  Not really.  Even the GOP has become economically populist.

    Into this vacuum steps Trump. And voila'  nationalism, xenophobia and bigotry is all that is left.  

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    The conservative (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:19:14 AM EST
    movement as some define it really has no existed since the end of the Cold War. For decades that was their defining force. However, yes, since then conservatives have clung to the culture wars and trickle down economics as the defining issues of conservatism. And yeah, since neither of those became sell-able anymore they now are down to xenophobia, bigotry and nationalism who are people they have been bringing to the dance for half a century.  Now their dance partner has taken over.

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    To me, the best explanation (none / 0) (#45)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:36:43 AM EST
    I've heard was in Hillary's speech yesterday. The full text is online.  

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    Of all the crazy stuff (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:31:35 PM EST
    So far in this cycle Trump campaigning with Nigel
     Farage in Mississippi
    has got to be among the strangest.

    "Nigel who now?  An he don like Brussle sprouts?"

    Oh please please please, send one of Nigel's (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:35:31 PM EST
    army to my door wth a leaflet. Can't wait!

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    Just the fact that Trump (none / 0) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:35:50 PM EST
    is campaigning in Mississippi tells you all you need to know about the downward slope of his campaign.

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    Exactly. The people there must be thrilled (none / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:37:21 PM EST
    though - when was the last time they saw a POTUS candidate in August?

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    Ronald Reagan (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:41:41 PM EST
    in 1980?

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    But important to keep in mind (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:11:08 PM EST
    Mississippi went blue in the 1976 presidential election in a close race. Reagan traveling to Mississippi in early August 1980 isn't like campaigning in Mississippi today. Mississippi has voted republican in the last 9 presidential elections.

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    I know it seems like yesterday (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 05:56:48 AM EST
    But that was 36 years ago.

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    This "softening" stuff (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:38:06 PM EST
    Could really be when the bottom drops out.  

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    Also (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:40:39 PM EST
    I think it reinforces the idea that he is not campaigning to win but to build a following and an audience.

    It's bizarre really that he seems to want this relationship with the white nationalist parties of Europe.  Which is what Farage is.

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    wait... what? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 09:59:40 PM EST
    the former leader of UKIP is a neo-nazi now? cuz he supported Brexit? more libertarian-esque than anything... he supports legalization of drugs and American-style gun ownership. too much Kush today? {{ hugs }}

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    You are the only person dropping the word (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:16:32 PM EST
    "nazi" into the discussion.

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    with all due respect (none / 0) (#25)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:30:35 PM EST
    that's what "white nationalist" means: neo-nazi. i read it on the SPLC website. why the over-the-top rhetoric? it's like the crazy-left version of the crazy-right pissy blog. it's ridiculous.

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    I dunno (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:36:25 PM EST
    but do you have a better word to describe David Duke et al?

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    i have no idea (none / 0) (#29)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:46:46 PM EST
    if david duke is a white nationalist (aka neo-nazi)  = ergo Nigel  Farage is a white nationalist? i took Logic at university. this doesnt seem very logical to me.

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    please Coral (none / 0) (#27)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:42:38 PM EST
    i dont want to argue with anyone and i value your comments but the previous poster calling Nigel Farage a "white nationalist" is simply painting him with the neo-nazi label and it's just too ridiculously over the top to not rebut. if you feel im mistaken than im sorry. really.

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    If you want to take issue with that term, then I suggest that you talk to them. Under any reasonable definition, these people are neo-Nazis. They are openly supporting Trump. And thus far, he's refused to repudiate them.

    As far as I'm concerned, Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are both political extremists who have been playing with fire, given their repeated appeals to the darkest fears and anxieties of an unsettled electorate. That Farage would go to Mississippi to campaign on Trump's behalf puts him squarely in cahoots with white nationalists.

    Please don't enable them -- or at least, please don't do it here.

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    Nigel Farage? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:21:01 PM EST
    Nigel Farage openly refers to himself as a White Nationalist (Neo-Nazi)? really?

    or are you spinning this and obfuscating this? the previous poster called Nigel Farage a White Nationalist. what are you doing? are you telling me im enabling neo-nazis if i dont accept the proposition that Nigel Farage is a White Nationalist? really? really really?

    i' would be happy to list my political disagreements with Nigel Farage. the gun issue being the main one. but you really need to take a step back, have a glass of wine, and relax.  hillary is the next president. we dont need this.

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    Excuse me, but who appointed you ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 05:03:22 AM EST
    ... the final arbiter on the subject of racial and ethnic bigotry? There's absolutely no question that Nigel Farage is a white nationalist. Not only has he made no attempt to hide it, he campaigned on it openly during Britain's 2015 parliamentary election campaign. Your inability or unwillingness to grasp and acknowledge that fact is entirely your own problem. Please stop trying to make it everyone else's, too.

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    maybe (none / 0) (#22)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:16:01 PM EST
    he's positioning for one of his sons to run in 2020? i think that's doable.

    Heh. If you say so. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:43:52 PM EST
    Just my opinion, obviously, but Trump's conscious -- and at this point, stubborn -- personal refusal to disassociate himself completely from the white nationalist movement and other far-right fringe elements hasn't exactly been his wisest move in a long and storied career. Personally, I think he may have tarnished the Trump name brand beyond any reasonable expectation of salvage for the foreseeable future.

    In other words, he's screwed himself royally.

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    im obviously missing something (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 10:49:47 PM EST
    cuz other than a couple completely moronic cringe-worth gaffs during the republican primary (months ago) i have no idea what you are refering to.

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    Well, you got that right. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:10:04 PM EST
    You're obviously missing something.

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    that was snarky (none / 0) (#37)
    by linea on Thu Aug 25, 2016 at 11:24:17 PM EST
    and non-responsive.

    i feel i'm the voice of sanity here. i'm amazed at the level of histrionics on this "posh lawyer" blog.

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    Jazz afficianados will note the passing of (none / 0) (#39)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:21:17 AM EST
    oh! desert swine not dessert wine. who are you? (none / 0) (#40)
    by linea on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 12:34:05 AM EST
    i listened to the youtube link and he was very talented. it is very beautiful music. im sorry he passed away. i hope at 91 he had lots of people who loved him. i feel that's all that matters in this world, people who love you.

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    Charles Blow (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 06:10:57 AM EST
    was just awesome on CNN, blistered some Trump surrogate "who is this guy?" and called out the "media malpractice" for even letting him spew his nonsense in the first place. Just happened so no link.

    Hillary (none / 0) (#48)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 07:11:05 AM EST
    appearing on Mornin' Joe at 8:30am NY time.

    Whoa boy (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 26, 2016 at 08:10:21 AM EST
    the poo flinging and meltdowns on the right today are legendary.