Friday Open Thread

An exhausting week at work. I'm so glad it's Friday. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Harry Reid is retiring.... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:37:47 AM EST
    Now THERE is the perfect job for Elizabeth Warren - Senate Minority Leader.

    Make it so.

    Hell yeah! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:44:10 AM EST
    Her lack of seniority (none / 0) (#14)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:52:17 AM EST
    makes her chances about 1 in a million

    Yea really good (none / 0) (#1)
    by denis012 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 04:27:48 AM EST
    Good friday mate :)
    צילום אירועים

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 04:48:24 AM EST
    Maybe (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 04:56:18 AM EST
    City living ISN'T what many people want after all

    During the housing bubble, Americans moved in droves to the exurbs, to newly paved subdivisions on what was once rural land. Far-out suburbs had some of the fastest population growth in the country in the early 2000s, fueled by cheap housing and easy mortgages. And these places helped redefine how we think about metropolitan areas like Washington, pushing their edges farther and farther from the traditional downtown.

    In the wake of the housing crash, these same places took the biggest hit. Population growth in the exurbs stalled. They produced a new American phenomenon: the ghost subdivision of developments abandoned during the housing collapse before anyone got around to finishing the roads or sidewalks.

    These scenes and demographic trends left the impression that maybe Americans had changed their minds about exurban living. New Census data, though, suggests that eight years after the housing crash, Americans are starting to move back there again.

    The fledgling trend, captured in data through 2014, raises questions about whether American preferences for where and how to live truly changed much during the housing bust, or if we simply put our exurban aspirations on hold. At the same time, the shift calls into question a parallel and popular narrative: that Americans who once preferred the suburbs would now rather move into the city.

    Demographic data over the last three years have tentatively supported this argument, with implications for the type of housing Americans want (smaller homes over large McMansions), the type of communities they prefer ("walkable" over car-dependent ones), and where developers should plan to build. The evidence: From 2011 until 2013, dense counties at the center of large metropolitan areas in the U.S. saw faster population growth than the exurbs, a fact cheered by city-lovers as a sign that urban living was on the rise again.

    The updated Census county population estimates released Thursday, though, show that the exurbs are now again growing faster than more urban places, according to Brookings Institution demographer William Frey.

    Part of that (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 06:50:45 AM EST
    is availability of land. There is land in the exurbs but not in the city.

    And part of it is the shortage of houses and the availability of houses in the exurbs. At least here in metro Atlanta.

    My observation has been that younger couples prefer to live closer in to the city, older people and retirees don't mind the exurbs as much but the commute from the exurbs in Metro Atlanta is absolute h*ll.


    I think there's also (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 07:03:37 AM EST
    Younger people want things like the nightlife a city offers, whereas, once people start raising families and getting into middle age they want more housing for their dollar, better schools, more quiet, less crowding, more shopping choices, etc.  

    Shopping (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 07:16:45 AM EST
    choices are abysmal in the exurbs. And some of the best schools in Atlanta metro are inside the perimeter. No, I'm mostly talking about young families that like the amenities living in the city or on the edge of the city offers like parks etc. I'm not just talking about young single people. Young single people have always liked the city but it's just that more of them are staying there these days it seems than moving to the exurbs. The main thing about the exurbs is housing costs are lower but there also are no jobs in the exurbs.

    Exurb vs Suburb (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:53:09 AM EST
    Schools are generally better in suburbs vs. cities.  So are shopping choices - especially for things like groceries and household, although you can order that stuff online now. The point us, all the young city dweller bloggers and writers for places like The Atlantic got all starry-eyed about telling us how the a burbs were dying and that cities were the focus and where people wanted to move to.  Turns out - not so much.

    Many people in exurbs / suburbs, if not now, but in the coming years, won't need to worry about "no jobs" being there as telecommuting options are ever expanding.  I mean - who is moving to these suburbs / exurbs that are far out with more land and bigger housing choices? Hint:  it isn't people with minimum wage or entry-level jobs.


    gas is cheap right now (none / 0) (#18)
    by CST on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:51:45 AM EST
    Housing is cheaper the further you are outside the city.

    People still don't have a lot of money.

    But I kind of reject the notion that we should plan our built environment based solely on where people choose to live under the conditions that exist today.  If housing was cheaper and more plentiful in urban areas would people be moving there instead?  These aren't the same conditions that caused white flight.  Urban areas are expensive now.

    In a world with 7+ billion people and growing, we can't all live in McMansions in the exurbs, even if we wanted to.


    We all can't (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:54:54 AM EST
    And don't want, to be crammed into tight cities with millions of people either.

    we may not want to (none / 0) (#24)
    by CST on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:04:50 AM EST
    but most of us could.

    Speaking of "white flight"... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:10:45 AM EST
    I see the opposite here, let's call it "broke flight".  Low income people fleeing the high cost of gentrification, moving to the less expensive ghetto suburbs.  While the offspring of the "white flight" generation flock back to the gentrified city.

    exactly this (none / 0) (#26)
    by CST on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:12:11 AM EST
    Which is why I disagree with the argument that people are leaving the city because they want to.

    They can't afford it.


    I agree... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:37:44 AM EST
    that is the majority reason...but I'm sure a minority leave for the old reasons (big house, more space, a lawn), as well fleeing all the god damn hipsters! ;)

    Breaking on CNN (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 07:04:24 AM EST
    Harry Reid will not run for re-election in 2016.

    Somebody else in DC (none / 0) (#34)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:44:28 AM EST
    who should also be considering retirement:

    Congresswoman demonstrates worst parking job ever


    Republicans - Religion vs Constitution (none / 0) (#8)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 07:35:59 AM EST
    This year: Mandatory church attendance.

    An Arizona state senator thinks it is a good idea for the American people.

    State Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, brought it up during a committee meeting Tuesday while lawmakers were debating a gun bill, not religion.

    Allen explained that without a "moral rebirth" in the country, more people may feel the need to carry a weapon. Link

    I do believe a shortened version of her name would be appropriate.

    This woman is (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Zorba on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 07:55:57 AM EST
    dumber than a box of rocks.  (Which doesn't say much about the voters who elected her.)
    Let's call her the Christian Taliban.

    Then (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:02:39 AM EST
    you also have the theocrats in places like here in GA and IN pushing discrimination to gays. It's all just so ugly.

    And I guess that lady forgot my grandmother's saying that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.


    There was a demonstration in Dothan (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:59:12 AM EST
    In support of gay marriage, a really progressive event for around here.  Of course some terrible Christians showed up to do their part.  We all knew they would.  But some Christians showed up to support gay marriage and we're shunned by the support gay marriage group.  Not a lot of trust out there.  The against basic civil rights Christians have out meaned and out nastied evolved Christlike Christians and now it's just scar tissue.

    That's really (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:48:55 AM EST
    unfortunate and not helpful because that is what has been pushing a lot of people into the evangelicals.

    Not all churches are behind anti gay movement (none / 0) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:50:44 AM EST
    In Indianapolis, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) sent a letter to Pence on Wednesday threatening to cancel its 2017 convention in Indy if he signs the measure into law.

    "Our perspective is that hate and bigotry wrapped in religious freedom is still hate and bigotry," Todd Adams, the associate general minister and vice president of the Indianapolis-based denomination, told The Indianapolis Star.

    Adams said the Disciples of Christ would instead seek a host city that is "hospitable and welcome to all of our attendees."

    The Disciples of Christ has held its annual convention in Indianapolis three times since 1989. Adams expected about 8,000 to attend in 2017. VisitIndy estimated the economic impact at $5.9 million. link

    Also, 7 Entities That May Boycott Indiana Over New LGBT Discrimination Law

    The entities are Yelp, Salesforce, The City of San Francisco, NCAA, Eli Lilly and Company (voiced disapproval), Disciples of Christ and Gen Con.


    Georgia Religious Liberty Bill in the news (none / 0) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:56:24 AM EST
    How To Kill A Discriminatory `Religious Liberty' Bill: Call The Bluff

    Georgia lawmakers have been quickly advancing their own version of a "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" (RFRA), a bill similar to the pro-discrimination legislation that just became law in Indiana. SB 129 has already passed the Georgia Senate -- having advanced through votes while Democrats were in the bathroom -- but it came to a screeching halt in a House committee on Thursday.

    As in Indiana, proponents of Georgia's bill have tried to argue that it has nothing to do with discrimination. Rep. Mike Jacobs, an LGBT-friendly Republican, decided to test this theory by introducing an amendment that would not allow claims of religious liberty to be used to circumvent state and local nondiscrimination protections. Supporters of the bill, like Rep. Barry Fleming (R), countered that the amendment "will gut the bill." Nevertheless, the House Judiciary Committee approved the amendment with a 9-8 vote, three Republicans joining the Democrats in supporting it.

    Fleming moved to table the amended bill, a motion that passed with 16 votes, making it doubtful the bill will proceed before the legislative session ends. With an exception for nondiscrimination protections, the "religious liberty" bill is likely dead.

    Which shortened version though? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 08:09:52 AM EST
    Snow from the Hunger Games or self explanatory Flake :)

    I was dropping Snow from her name (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:01:41 AM EST
    The alternative didn't occur to me. Individually, I view her as more stupid than powerful.

    Although as a group, they seem to be more active in trying to establish a religious state throughout the country.

    Some days I'm glad that I am old. I shudder to think about the possible direction of this country.


    You do realize (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:56:52 AM EST
    her name is Allen? She represents a district that includes Snowflake, AZ.

    Whoops (none / 0) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:36:17 AM EST
    No, I did not realize that. I completely misread the article and all I saw was Sen. Snowflake. and thought how appropriate.  

    That's why I was confused! (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 09:57:30 AM EST
    Snowflake is jet district, not her name!

    My mistake (none / 0) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:37:20 AM EST
    Although, I still think she should be named Flake.

    Airizona already has a US Senator Flake (none / 0) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 12:18:03 PM EST
    I guess there is an opening for a State Senator Flake

    Mariel Hemmingway on Woody Allen (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:04:09 AM EST
    Speaks for itself. On a personal note, my own father was a visiting college professor when he knocked up my still teenage mother, who was playing the lead in ST. JOAN which my father was brought in to direct. And his current wife is even younger, 25+ years younger, I believe. So it's not like I'm a rookie to this issue personally. (link)

    Hope y'all are doing well. I'm currently hiding from the world, as I am prone to do when I feel creatively dead. Used to lock myself in a closet for hours when I was a kid to escape the madness at home. Installed the lock on the inside of the door myself. Peace.

    Big up yourself... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:17:16 AM EST
    don't hide too long my friend, the world is darker when you hide from it.  Or at the very least, the world of Talkleft.

    I've always found the Jamaica sound to be an excellent alleviant of the doldrums.  The bush doctor prescribes a night of Ketchy Shuby with the Mrs.!


    Thanks, my friend (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Dadler on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:21:43 AM EST
    You're a good man. Just the way it is in my screwy head sometimes. At least I'm not in a literal closet as I type this. ;-)  

    I miss you. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:41:54 AM EST
    The figurative ones... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:41:56 AM EST
    can be just as stifling.  

    One more musical pick me up, tis Friday after all.

    When you can't find the light,
    That guides you on the cloudy days,
    When the stars ain't shinin' bright,
    You feel like you've lost you're way,
    When those candle lights of home,
    Burn so very far away,
    Well you got to let your soul shine,
    Just like my daddy used to say.

    He used to say soulshine,
    It's better than sunshine,
    It's better than moonshine,
    Damn sure better than rain.
    Hey now people don't mind,
    We all get this way sometime,
    Got to let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

    My grandmother married my grandfather (none / 0) (#37)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:53:47 AM EST
    At the age of 16, 90 years ago in North Texas, he was 10 years older, and her mother was a widow.

    Some nice rhetoric... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 27, 2015 at 10:49:53 AM EST
    from NYPD commish Bill Bratton...let's hope he's serious.

    Predicting 1,000,000 fewer interactions between cop and citizen in 2015...music to many a NYer's ear!