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    really not (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 09:13:19 AM EST
    A picture is worth a thousand words... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 09:16:43 AM EST

    An editorial cartoon is worth a thousand editorials.


    Depending on whether or not (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 09:28:07 AM EST
    Fox uses decimals, your top ten for Thursday will be:


    If they drop decimals, add Perry and make it 11.

    There could be one more poll added as the day progresses, but if so all that could be decided is adding Perry or dropping Perry. The other ten look to be in.

    Every poll has Trump solidly in front. There are no outliers here.

    5 is supposed to be the deadline (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:09:55 AM EST
    i guess they announce after that.

    Memphis police officer's killer (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 09:53:03 AM EST
    is arrested.

    This wasn't Wilborn's first experience with the law.

    Wilbourn was free on supervised release stemming from a bank robbery conviction, FOX13 reported. His lawyer argued during sentencing that Wilbourn was persuaded by his uncle to join the robbery to help him with his finances and "he was awaiting news regarding a possible college scholarship based on his athletic ability."

    Wilbourn was sentenced to more than 10 years in federal prison and released on probation in July 2014. He used marijuana in December and was ordered to undergo mental health treatment July 7, according to federal court documents released Monday. It's not clear whether he was ever evaluated.

    Officer Bolton was the third officer killed in Memphis in the past three years.

    Williams believes the most recent shooting can be traced, at least to some degree, to the fury over police treatment of African-Americans in incidents across the country. Williams estimates that the Memphis police force is around 60 percent African-American, roughly reflective of the city's overall population.

    "I think officers are becoming hesitant to react," Williams said. "They don't want to end up in court, or plastered all over the national news.

    In a previous comment about this killing I noted:

    When we think of cops and why they shoot, sometimes too quickly, perhaps there are reasons  besides them just hating. Maybe they are scared.

    Several of you have noted that the cops should quit if they are scared. Scott claimed

    ...are you suggesting it's OK for cops to shoot unarmed black people because they are scared to do their jobs ?... If he was genuinely scared for his life, he should seek serious counseling right after he resigns.....

    As usual, Scott takes many liberties with what is written so he can make false claims.

    No Scott, I didn't suggest it was okay for cops to shoot unarmed PEOPLE because they are scared. I suggested that since they are scared they may act too quickly.

    The flip side is:

    "I think officers are becoming hesitant to react," Williams said. "They don't want to end up in court, or plastered all over the national news.

    Scott further writes:

    FYI, this was over a 'drug deal' of $25 of weed.

    Actually we don't know the value of the transaction or if indeed there was one happening. Paraphernalia may have been there from other sales.

    As someone who has repeatedly argued for our drug laws to be changed and make MJ legal, I can see the useless violence and death associated with them.

    But until they are changed shall we tell the police to just ignore them? Shall we tell the police to ignore traffic violations?

    The officer had seen a car that was illegally parked and pulled in front of it, illuminating the vehicle with his spotlight. Bolton then approached the car and was confronted by a passenger.

    What other laws shall individual segments of society not have enforced?

    Bank robbery?? Fraud? You name it, folks.

    Because that is exactly the way in which we are heading.

    "I think officers are becoming hesitant to react," Williams said. "They don't want to end up in court, or plastered all over the national news.

    Then they shouldn't (none / 0) (#5)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:04:43 AM EST
    hired cowards who mistake a lethal weapon as a means of enforcing compliance when dealing with civilians,

    Sigh...... (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:37:43 AM EST
    Mordiggian, a week ago Sunday Jeralyn asked that we not comment to each other. I have followed her wishes. Since you have not I have asked her for clarification.

    Your response above is a typical attempt at baiting.

    The comment is about an officer who was killed during a routine traffic stop.

    Call him a coward by someone who, I believe, has never held a job with any routine hazardous activity is the height of hypocrisy.

    Claiming that he believed in excessive use of his weapon when there is no proof is just being mean and ugly. Indeed, if he had used his weapon early in the confrontation maybe the ex-bank robber would have been dead and he would be alive.

    Now, I am done with you. You seek only to attack and bait.


    omg (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:48:27 AM EST
    seek to attack and bait.

    It didn't really just say that?


    The bigger question is (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:05:07 AM EST
    ...why was a person like this entitled to own a firearm?

    I was about to congratulate him (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:09:09 AM EST
    never saw anyone so excited about the death of a policeman

    Wilborn, the alleged shooter, had no such (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by scribe on Tue Aug 04, 2015 at 10:28:38 AM EST
    entitlement to a firearm.  Said another way, there was no way he could have legally possessed or acquired a firearm.  Being convicted of or pleading guilty to a crime in which the maximum sentencing exposure - not the sentence you got, but rather what you could have gotten - is more than one year disqualifies that person from possessing or acquiring a firearm.  That's federal law.

    If the person has had their civil rights restored after their conviction, then maybe - depending on the scope of the restoration - they can possess or acquire a firearm legally.  But, while there is a provision in federal law which allows for restoring civil rights to persons convicted of federal crimes, for over 20 years Congress has refused to fund and forbidden the use of federal funds to carry that provision into effect.