Moving Week Two and Open Thread

I will be moving again this week. It's been very complicated since I have no place to move to yet -- the repairs on my new place won't be done before the end of October, and I have to be out of where I am by Friday. And of course I still have to work.

I doubt I'll be blogging (it's also tax time), but I'll try to put up some open threads throughout the week and hopefully BTD will have a few posts.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    While at the gym this morning, (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 11:07:16 AM EST
    I mentioned, to the Marine, that Kevin McCarthy's comments about e-Ghazi  were weasely.  His eyes glazed over and he started chanting "Hillary is a liar", and wouldn't stop.  I decided not to mention that fact to the retired Boston lawyer.

    You my friend... (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 11:51:31 AM EST
    need a better class of workout buddies.  

    The programmes of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Hillary was not the principal figure. She is the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the country's purity....


    He Obviously Likes It... (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:55:19 PM EST
    ...or he wouldn't bait them.

    Are you saying... (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:11:33 PM EST
    fishcamp's gym is just like TL?

    No it's the Bizarro World's Talk Left (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 02:34:21 PM EST
    ...in which he is outnumbered.

    So in effect, he is the Jim in the bizarro world.


    ... their right-wing heads will explode, and your gym will be closed indefinitely due to the toxic amounts of dust and lint that's been spewed all over the place as a result.

    Air France announces huge layoff. (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:15:39 PM EST
    Executives run for their lives and climb fences to escape angry gathering upset employees, some of whom ripped the shirts off the executives' backs.  Impressive.  Great photos.  

    Wild... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:22:52 PM EST
    video up on youtube.

    Give 'em hell, Air France working stiffs.


    You have to love the French. (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:06:08 PM EST
    When they get PO'ed, they get straight to the point and really don't mess around or mince words. FYI, since 2004 Air France has been a subsidiary of KLM Group, a formerly Dutch corporation which also owns the Netherlands' flag carrier KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, but now is itself majority-owned by French shareholders.

    Air France/KLM profit margins: (none / 0) (#163)
    by jtaylorr on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:36:40 AM EST

    Those selfish execs, keeping all those negative profits to themselves! (average -3.61% since Sept 2009). Here's a tip, don't expect job security and fabulous pay when you work in an industry that as a whole has never turned a profit and is entirely dependent on government subsidies to survive.  


    Whither goeth Benghaziiii committee now? (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:18:39 PM EST
    At long last ... maybe the truth will out (or start to anyway?)  The senior Democrat on the committee, Congressman Elijah Cummings, is leading an open rebuke of Rep Trey Gowdy's outfit that still tries to pose as an investigative committee as to Benghazi.  Cummings and all the Democrats on the committee have signed an open letter to Gowdy that notices the Dem members' intent to release heretofore unreleased testimony by a top Hillary Clinton aide.

    Cummings et al will release the testimony, which Gowdy has selectively opened while refusing to disclose the surrounding context info, if the committee chair cannot demonstrate to their satisfaction that the Benghazi "investigation" approach here is legitimate.  The Democrats are openly, clearly, loudly spelling out that the Repubs have brushed aside other testimony previously planned this year and are solely targeting Hillary Clinton.  They cite the still reverberating statement of Kevin McCarthy.

    Ladies and Gentlemen: We may be at the Jig Is Up for the Repubs phase (aka "you overdid it guys, and now it is laid bare for all to see") and, I might add, that phase just happens to be at a very significant time ... what with the upcoming HRC testimony on October 22.  My, my, my.

    'Cannot hold back from saying that I am loving the Dems astutely-timed hardball.

    One hopes (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:45:46 PM EST
    They are doing all this around Hillary's Benghazi testimony, which I expect to make news, as part of a fall offensive.

    Maybe I am giving them to much credit.


    Not to (none / 0) (#118)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 07:15:05 PM EST
    mention the chaos Boener's departure has caused. Add in McCarthy's accidental truth telling and the upcoming shutdown fights and the Republicans look like they are heading into a perfect storm. The Democrats would be fools not to put a full court press on them.

    Oh---it is quite coordinated (none / 0) (#122)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:10:38 PM EST
    The timing of Cummings and the other Dems is superlative.

    Kevin McCarthy "revelation," (none / 0) (#170)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 10:21:25 AM EST
    was braggadocio,rather than accidental.  McCarthy carefully and deliberately set forth to sell the Wingers, via FOX's Sean Hannity, that the House Republicans are really doing something for them, despite what they may have come to believe. They were just too slow to recognize the obvious. So he helped.

    Pumping himself up, he wanted the wingers to know that the House Republicans have "a strategy to fight and win."  And, proceeded to give an example of that strategy:  the impaneling of a special Benghazi committee that had the successful result, he boasted,  of lowering the Democratic front-runner's polls.   Accidental, no.  Dim-witted, yes.  Looking good, sold.  


    for something meaningless (none / 0) (#3)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:26:22 PM EST
    and fun - The least visited states of the U.S.


    I've been to three, Rhode Island, Vermont (yea I know those two are kind of cheating), and WestbygodVirginia.  VT and WV both have special places in my heart, driving through either one is a gift.  RI... is like Southern MA, only with less hope.

    For a short period of time in my life I had dreams about moving to Wyoming.  Not for any legitimate reason, I just thought it looked really cool.

    As someone who ridden a motorcycle (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:14:20 PM EST
    in or through every state but Hawaii, North Dakota (am I missing anything) and Maine, Vermont is one of my absolutely favorite states. Full of hippies and old curmudgeons, of which I'm bit of both.

    Don't ride anymore, but still want to go to Maine.


    There's a (none / 0) (#38)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:25:59 PM EST
    Billboard ban in VT, Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii.

    It makes a noticeable difference driving through, probably even more so on a motorcycle.


    Only states I missed (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:39:47 PM EST
    ...were Maine and Hawaii.  

    I was a rock band roadie, toured coast to coast, and after that I worked for a bicycle publication that picked up my travel expenses to bicycling events all over the country.

    Other than those places, I've been everywhere in the US, including Puerto Rico.


    That deserves a tune (none / 0) (#115)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:55:58 PM EST
    Just Hawaii for me (none / 0) (#138)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:43:50 PM EST
    My parents liked to plan a vacation every year and so grew up not afraid of exploring. So I got them all with the exception of Hawaii. Enjoyed Alaska and PR too.

    I've been to several of those (none / 0) (#5)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:46:16 PM EST
    states. Some I have stopped to visit for a bit of time; others I drove through on my way to somewhere else and only stopped for gas or, if I saw a restaurant with a sign proclaiming "home-made pie."

    Arkansas and Mississippi were drive-throughs on the way to New Orleans. Alabama was a day long side trip from New Orleans. I had family in Nebraska. Iowa, well, I grew up in Illinois, and Iowa is between Illinois and Nebraska.

    I have spent some very nice time in New England, but never Vermont. And, even though I have clocked more than one long visit to Massachusetts, I have never ventured to Rhode Island.

    Wyoming is on the fastest driving route between Illinois and Oregon. So, I have been there, slept there, ate there and bought gas there. Went to Montana years ago for a rugby match. visited friends in West Virginia. What a beautiful place, well, except for the damage and detritus of coal mining.


    shoot I forgot (none / 0) (#8)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:51:29 PM EST
    I've driven through Alabama and Mississippi on the way to New Orleans.  I got a speeding ticket in Mississippi that I never figured out how to pay because they make it near impossible.

    I also stopped by the civil right's museum in Birmingham.  Birmingham had a very homey vibe to it, I don't really know how else to explain it.  I only spent a few hours there but it seemed like the kind of place you could put down roots.


    I went to a dog track... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:52:31 PM EST
    in Shorter, Alabama once, Victoryland...bet 5 dollars and you'd change the odds on your dog drastically. There were 8 people there betting and 2 of them came with me.

    We went to a dog track once in Wisconsin. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:13:57 PM EST
    It was in Kenosha and called Dairyland Park. While there were a lot more than eight people there, I'm being generous in saying that the place was certainly a lot less than full.

    On the one race I bet, the dog I chose was out in front of the pack, only to suddenly stop in order to relieve himself of a load he was carrying, right in the middle of the track. It was worth the $5 I lost to have laughed that hard. I'm sure that's probably not the first time that's happened at one of those races, but I still chuckle thinking about it.

    I don't know how that track ever made any money that day, with a dismal crowd like that.


    If you like (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:54:20 PM EST
    WV, you'll probably like VT.  Not quite as dramatic but similar landscape.

    Little surprised AR is on the list (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:00:36 PM EST
    Considering the number of vacationers we get here every summer.
    Then I am in the vacation center if the state.  Doubt many vacationers make it down south.

    One of my PA to CA trips (none / 0) (#134)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:18:12 PM EST
    One thing about crossing the States is that you have several ways of making the trip. So one of the times we went through AR and I was very impressed with the scenery. I have often mentioned that in conversation of how surprised I was that I expected the worse and I was wrong. It was a drive thru so we did not stop but after Ind (sorry) it was very pleasant.  

    BTW, I think that there are great places in every state, you just have to look for them. I do not want to get started on some boring drives.


    Nit a bad way to see the state actually (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 08:14:56 AM EST
    Drive through.   There is some very beautiful scenery.   Especially in my area.   There is a sort of diagonal line from the north eastern corner to the southwestern corner.  Above there is mountains. Below it is flat as a placid lake.  Little Rock sits right on the line.  Hillbillies hate the bottoms ( that's what we call it ).  And make jokes about webbed feet and stuff.  Hey, plenty of jokes about us.

    Btw that Atlanta story was Ka-reepy.

    As a guy some times we need a window to how different a simple thing like a road trip can be for a woman.


    Been to the 3 you mentioned (none / 0) (#15)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:55:49 PM EST
    and Alabama and Mississippi.

    Agree about WV, camped in Monongahela National Forest and New River Gorge a few times. Used to love going whitewater rafting in the New River Gorge and the Gauley river.


    Been to Most... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:04:44 PM EST
    ...but it doesn't really count if all you do is drive through or had a plane transfer.  I have not been to Iowa or Nebraska and my recollection, on road trips in your part of the country, isn't exactly rock solid.

    I know this, and I can't remember the state, but the only time I have been there is when we wanted to buy booze on Sunday when I stayed in Andover.  New Hampshire ?


    If you were in Andover, MA (none / 0) (#34)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:21:06 PM EST
    It was probably NH.  A few years ago they finally started selling booze in MA on Sundays, but for many years, driving across the border to NH for booze on Sundays was the tradition.

    Coming From Wisconsin... (none / 0) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:41:28 PM EST
    ...I thought it was absurd to have a law that made people drive to another state to get booze.

    Now that I live in Texas, it makes perfect sense... not really, but it's normal.


    Bhutan is purportedly completely (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:04:43 PM EST
    dry on Wednesdays.  And there was a framed proclamation atop the hotel bar in the capitol city saying so.  But the bar was open for business.  Strange but welcome!

    interesting (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:13:06 PM EST
    I wonder if there is any significance to Wednesday or if they just picked a day.

    It took a little getting used to at first when I lived in Germany the way everything shuts down on Sundays.  But after a while it's kind of nice.


    Actually, the dry day is Tues. (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:30:32 PM EST
    Apparently the dry day was the federal government's attempt to reduce a high rate of alcoholism.

    In Dallas... (none / 0) (#63)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:20:17 PM EST
    ...where three counties meet, there is an area where you can walk from bar to bar.  Some of the locations you have to buy a license to drink, others you don't, and then some you used to be able to smoke, and not in others.

    All of it within a 5 minute walking radius.  But what really freaked me out is going into the liquor store and seeing sheriff's working there, checking people out.  Yeah, cops in full uniform with guns, selling booze.


    Blue laws are the stupidest thing ever (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:40:39 PM EST
    When I lived in Atlanta you could not buy booze on Sunday.  Atlanta.  It's changed now I think.  
    In Toronto all the liquor stores are govt owned.  It was one of the strangest things about that country.
    All very generic looking government looking buildings.

    You reminded me of an Atlanta story (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:37:03 PM EST
    Ha, it came to mind when you mentioned drink and Atlanta. Years back I was driving from Fla to Wis to meet up with some friends. It was me, my dog, and a new Camaro. I was enjoying the flight. So I hit Atlanta during the middle of a VFW convention and stopped at a Holiday Inn. Long lines and a desk clerk with the same message. No rooms at the Inn. But I tried anyway. He asks me if I was alone. I said just me and my dog and I really needed a room. So he tells me to step over to the side and he would see what he could do. He found me a room and he might drop by with a bottle later. So I went to the room, locked and chained the door and turned the TV up. Then I let my dog bark and bark and bark until the weasel stopped knocking and went away. I slept soundly. So girls, always travel with your dog.

    In New Hampshire (none / 0) (#83)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:07:36 PM EST
    you can buy beer and wine in grocery stores but all the liquor stores are state owned.  They are also rather impressive in their size, variety, and low cost.  Buying booze on your way through NH is still a time-honored tradition in MA, even if you're less likely to go all the way there for it on a Sunday now.

    When (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:44:49 PM EST
    I first moved to GA in 1989 you could only buy alcohol in a restaurant where 50% or more of their business was in food. So in other words only at restaurants with a meal pretty much. It's not been that long ago that the blue laws were gotten rid of completely but I think there are also still counties where you can't buy alcohol on Sunday.

    We Have The Odd Places... (none / 0) (#169)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 10:15:15 AM EST
    ...that serve beer, but not booze, but you can bring your own.  Which to me is still very odd.

    There is the fine dining establishments in which you save a fortune in bar tabs.  But I still feel very odd walking into and out of a nice place with a bottle unless I am with a group.

    Then there is there is the honky-tonks and strip clubs in which all you pay for is the set-up, say soda and ice, then you pour your own.  While it's less expensive, no wants to throw half a bottle of booze in their car after they have been drinking.  So basically everyone is there until the bottle is empty and they end up spending what they would have normally spent on drinks, but end up twice as drunk.

    The one law that bugs me to no end, is they don't serve beer on Sunday until noon, which is the kickoff time in the NFL.  My local gas mart used to sell it to me 10 mins early, but now everyone has scanners that simply will not allow, so it means you either have to miss kickoff or go at half time if you forgot to buy the night before.

    Yet restaurants can serve alcohol at 6am on Sunday.  It makes no sense.

    Then you have Wisconsin, which I had totally forgot bars can sells beer for take out, until I was up there.  Many places have a cooler with cases of beer that you just grab and pay for on your way out.

    And something I think is uniquely Wisconsin, bars normally close at 2:30, except on New Years when they do not have to close, which was awesome when I lived in Milwaukee as the Polar Bears tossed a huge party down by the beach at like 6am.  I don't believe anyone getting into Lake Michigan in January at 6am was at home sleeping the night before.


    When I first moved to Fort Worth, (none / 0) (#186)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:01:22 PM EST
    many years ago (over 20), you couldn't buy a screwdriver at a hardware store, but you could buy a screwdriver at bar (after 12 noon) on Sunday.

    Been to several of those states (none / 0) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:32:09 PM EST
    And driven through others.

    Did an art fair in Birmingham. It was a nice venue.

    The Flaming Gorge National Resort in WY is beautiful and of course there is the much better known area of Jackson Hole and The Grand Tetons.  

    Don't think I've ever even driven through Rhode Island, Vermont or West Virginia.


    The summer "homes" (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:08:45 PM EST
    of the robber barons (Newport RI) are interesting to tour. And the wonderful earlier preserved homes with Newport block front chests etc. are fascinating.

    Correction (none / 0) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:37:22 PM EST
    That should be the Flaming Gorge Recreational Area.

    Flaming George Recreational Area (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:42:39 PM EST
    I woul vacation there

    Have you been there? (none / 0) (#78)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:58:17 PM EST
    It is truly gorgeous. Spent a good part of the day there on a return trip from Mendocinco, CA about 6 or 7 years ago. Always wished that I had more time to stay there.

    I have not (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:01:56 PM EST
    I was being silly but it does sound like a place I would go out of my way to visit.

    I missed that you changed the name (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:47:22 PM EST
    To George therefore I missed your joke completely. Now that I've taken the time to read your comment more carefully. I find your joke very funny.

    Something about Wyoming (none / 0) (#81)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:05:33 PM EST
    Has always tugged at the "go west!" instinct.

    One of these days.


    Mendocino's not exactly ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:56:44 PM EST
    ... a shabby place itself, for that matter. I love the northern California coast.

    Yes, Mendocine was very, very nice. (none / 0) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:14:35 PM EST
    I stayed at the Mendocino Art Center so my food and room expenses were very reasonsonalble compared to other accommodations in the area. From Mendocinco, I drove down the coast (incredibly beautiful) to San Fransico to play tourist (accommodations much more pricy) before meandering my way home. Since I was by myself, I had the luxury of stopping wherever I wanted.

    That looks interesting. Let's go see it. A really great trip.

    I got sick soon after I returned so I am doubly glad I went.


    My mother likes to do that. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:15:35 PM EST
    In fact, she's on a solo road trip right now, going up the CA coast. So far, she's stopped along the way to see friends in Santa Maria and Salinas, and called us last night from Santa Rosa, where she's visiting my uncle and his wife.

    (My aunt, Mom's younger sister, died of ALS in Jan. 2010 and after my uncle's remarriage last year, he moved from Fairfield to Santa Rosa, where his second wife is from. She's really very nice, and he's lucky to have her.)

    Mom's best friend from childhood is a retired professor from Humboldt State University who lives with her family in Arcata, so that's eventually her destination on such trips, which she'll do about once a year. But she does like going at her own pace, and it's not out of the ordinary for her to take four days to get to Arcata from Pasadena. Coming home, she'll stop in Oakland to visit my cousin and his family, stay overnight, and then take I-5 back to L.A.



    It is funny that when I announced (none / 0) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 10:29:31 PM EST
    That I was driving to Mendocinco, my adult daughter was appalled. -- You're going by yourself.

    My response was that I thought I was old enough. I did agree to call her when I stopped for the night and let her know that I was still alive.

    I did enjoy traveling at a more leasurly pace and stopping or detouring whenever I saw something that looked interesting. I forgot to mention that on the way home, I stopped in Reno for a couple of days. IIRC, I came away a winner since I walked out the door with the money I walked in with (sans room and food).


    ... was when I flew Southwest Airlines from Baltimore-Washington Int'l to Providence because the one-way airfare at the time was only $55, as opposed to the $200 one-way fare on United Airlines from Washington-Dulles to Boston-Logan.

    I found PVD to be a much easier airport than Logan Int'l, so I swore that the next time I had to travel to Boston I'd fly there again rather than into BOS, an oath I've since failed to keep because service to and from PVD is actually fairly limited.

    I also rather like the facility's official name, the "Theodore Francis Green Memorial State Airport," honoring a long-serving former U.S. senator who was first elected to the Senate in 1936 as a New Deal Democrat at the relatively advanced age of 69, and finally retired from that body in 1961 at the ripe old age of 93.



    Aw, a plane on the ground makes no money (none / 0) (#190)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:27:22 PM EST
    Flew SW to Reno to go to Lake Tahoe once. You are right, it was the best deal. So then on the way back to SD I got a can of beer and barely got it opened when we were landing in Oakland. A herd of people got off and another herd got on. I just kept sipping away. And then we were airborne again. I call it a herd because of the no seat assignment at the time and people were just scrambling to get any seat. As soon as the aisle was cleared, we were taking off again.  When we got back to San Diego, I could not stop laughing at how like an old movie from the 30's.

    Shoplifting... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:40:35 PM EST
    is a big problem at the supermarket...just look at A&P.

    3 months before A&P declared bankruptcy, top executives set up a 6 million dollar trust fund to make sure they'd get their bread.  While their laid off workers will be lucky to get 52% of the severance they were set to receive once all the finance vultures are done with the carcass of the company.

    Shame, shame, shame...

    I haven't seen an A&P (none / 0) (#6)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:47:24 PM EST
    since before you were born. Thought they were gone by the early 70's.

    Yes, I thought (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:50:53 PM EST
    A&P had merged, long ago, with Stop and
    Shop, to form Stop&P.

    I think they are mostly in the (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:52:05 PM EST
    North east.  No?

    not anymore (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:53:04 PM EST
    I haven't seen one in years.

    Just looked them up (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:59:42 PM EST
    There are 15 in the entire country. 3 in Connecticut and the remaining 12 are in New York.

    For comparison purposes, Publix has 10 stores within 2 miles of my zip code.


    Just know (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    The last time I remember seeing one was my NY days

    Some in NJ too. (none / 0) (#25)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:08:48 PM EST
    I've walked by the one in Hoboken a few times.

    Our old A&P (none / 0) (#44)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:39:31 PM EST
    in the Phila suburbs has been called "Super Fresh" for many years now, but it's the same company. And they are going bankrupt/out of business this month some time; same deal. Supposedly the store will reopen pronto as an Acme (or, as the natives pronounce it, "Ackamee").

    Yeah... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    A&P was the parent company, I think there were still A&P's in Jersey up until now....includes other store names in the NE like Pathmark & Waldbaums of which there are many around me in NY.

    My dear departed pops might have had a hand in this...Pathmark once did something to him he deemed an injustice, what exactly I don't know something to do with cashing his paycheck, but since that day he never paid for a razor blade or a deck of cards from Pathmark for the rest of his life.  He might have had a hand in why the razors all under lock & key everywhere now too.

    Plus, my moms used to be a cashier at Pathmark way back in the day, and my pops used to send all his wino buddies to my mother's register with steaks stuck down their pants.  My poor mother, how she has suffered;)


    They were operating under the (none / 0) (#32)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:17:47 PM EST
    name Superfresh here in York County, PA until about 2 years ago. That store closed. I used to shop at an A&P in Manassas, VA a few years back.

    A&P used to be all over the Chicago area, ... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:36:20 PM EST
    ... but I honestly thought they had disappeared by 1980. I'm surprised to hear that they had survived and were still actually around, albeit only in one region of the country.

    The A&P (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:24:15 PM EST
    in Argentia Newfoundland was "Argentina and Placentia."

    Who said the Navy doesn't have a sense if humor?


    The Great... (none / 0) (#143)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 10:55:51 PM EST
    Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company. No?

    For those (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 12:54:06 PM EST
    Whose hair was on fire thinking that Kim Davis warranted a private meeting with the Pope during his visit:

    Seems you chose to be deluded into thinking so by a kniwn hate group, instead of using logic and common sense (and if course, listening to people).

    If hair was on fire, (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:10:01 PM EST
    it was more likely because it was thought that Clerk Davis did not "warrant" a private meeting with the Pope during his visit.  Or, any meeting, not something less than a "real audience."  And, arranged with the facilitation of a known hate group.  The delusions are better placed with whomever thought this was a good idea.

    No (1.00 / 1) (#171)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 10:40:08 AM EST
    "Hair on fire" is the perfect description of those who couldn't wait for the whole story to come out before having a fit.

    One can disappointed or angry or whatever, but losing one's $hit over Kim Davis being hustled in a group of people who got to shake the Pope's hand is the quintessential definition of "hair on fire".  Funny how conservatives were criticized and mocked for doing the same thing when gay people and pro choice peopke were invited to the White House to meet the Pope (which us a much bigger deal, IMO, when one is invited to the WH). And no one here said. "Well, those people did not warrant a meeting with the Pope because they stand for things and engage in behaviors he, as the head of the Catholic Church, think are sins, and so that probably wasn't a good idea."

    You know, hypocrisy, and all.


    This Just Makes it Worse... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:14:41 PM EST
    ...not only did the Pope meet with bigots, those bigots are being represented by a known hate group, including one that was at the meeting.

    No hair on fire here (4.25 / 4) (#24)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:07:23 PM EST
    Spin one way, spin another. It's still just spin. People using the pope to validate their point of view. I'm not any more interested in the spin you are providing than I am in the spin being spun by Liberty Counsel.

    The Pope met with Kim Davis. That's it. I know who she is and what she has done and what she has continued to do. I don't need any spin around that. And the Pope met with Kim Davis.

    That's it.


    No - just delusions for you too. (2.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:15:43 PM EST
    You must be angry at all political figures.  They "meet with" people all the time that you would disapprove if (and that would be a long list for you).

    But since I consider most your comments as just being obnoxious, it's no surprise that this one isn't any different.



    It's true (none / 0) (#47)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:44:25 PM EST
    I measure people by the company they keep and by the their actions. And yes, politicians like Pope meet with people all the time.

    But if it is as meaningless or insignificant or routine or whatever it is you are trying to imply, tell me: how would you go about getting your meaningless meeting/audience with him? If you can answer that I will give that datum (the fact that the Pope Met With Kim Davis) less weight in my opinion or impression. Which is all we are talking about.

    But really, what do you care what anyone's opinion is? I don't care what yours is: you are entitled and welcome to whatever rational or whackadoodle conclusion you may or may not reach. Why the heck dredge this up again anyway? Just so you could be "right" about something?

    And this is just plain ridiculous (even from you):

    You must be angry at all political figures.

    This comment was fun to write. While I mean everything I just said, it was structured entirely for my own amusement to validate your obnoxious statement about my being only obnoxious.

    I have to make you right about something, after all. Whatever, I'm laughing right now, and I needed that. So thank you for being your usual tight-a$$ self.

    All is right in my world right now.


    You make me laugh all the tone (none / 0) (#185)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:58:30 AM EST
    At your ridiculousness and snideness.

    I feel sorry for you.  You are so ANGRY all the time.  Hope you get help.


    So (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:04:32 PM EST
    She didn't meet with the Pope?

    In a group of people (none / 0) (#22)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:06:38 PM EST
    She may have even gotten to shake his hand.



    Sorry (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:07:22 PM EST
    forget I even responded to you.   I'm pretty sure no one wants to talk about this any more.

    She met the pope like people that pay (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:19:06 PM EST
    extra for a Vegas back stage meet and great 'met' Britney Spears.  Except Brit probably does not do the sign of the cross over them while shaking hands.

    Visits with the Pope are a little more (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:05:11 PM EST
    complicated than paying a fee to go backstage. According to the Vatican:

    On Friday, the Vatican said Davis was among "a number of guests" who were "invited by the Nuncio," a church term for the ambassador, to greet the pope.

    She was invited by the Papal Nuncio, a high ranking member of the church.

    No invite - no visit.


    Did she receive wo pre-blessed rosaries (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:09:08 PM EST
    as she claims?

    Why don't you google (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:16:20 PM EST
    what the church said about the rosaries. I'm sure you could find the answer to your question with just  a little effort on your part.

    Me, I'm going dancing. Bye now.


    Have fun dancing. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:18:37 PM EST
    Hope it lightens your affect.  

    When jim (none / 0) (#107)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:23:37 PM EST
    follows people around being provocative we look for him here.

    Have fun dancing.  (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:18:37 PM MDT  

    Hope it lightens your affect.

    How is what you are doing different from that?

    It appears to me that (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:37:36 PM EST
    you and a few others here feel they are enttled to manage this blog. Why?

    Project much? (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:44:13 PM EST
    Thank you, my friend (none / 0) (#113)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:50:01 PM EST
    I wasn't about to go into the rabbit hole with her :) I might end up like MO Blue!

    It isn't about managing the blog, (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 07:03:59 PM EST
    it's about the sort of royal attitude of entitlement you project.

    There are a lot of people who take the time and go to the trouble of providing links and sharing their research, and then along you come with questions you could find the answers to in the time it takes you to ask them.  Sometimes it seems you don't even go to the trouble of reading the links provided, and it comes across that you think your time is so much more valuable than anyone else's.

    It gets old.

    You often sit in terse judgment of what others are saying, so I don't think you have much room to be annoyed when people call you out on your own sh!t.


    Enough already. (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 07:08:44 PM EST
    Can dish it out; can't take it. (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 07:35:10 PM EST
    Not all that surprised.

    Actually, I did not (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:06:23 PM EST
    request anything of you.

    pretty sure that was a freebie (none / 0) (#146)
    by sj on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:20:09 AM EST
    No request required.

    I did enjoy dancing (none / 0) (#139)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:46:06 PM EST
    and my affect was doing great before I went. In fact, you have supplied me with numerous chuckles thoughout the day and I have found your little games very entertaining.

    Oh, I see (3.00 / 2) (#106)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:19:48 PM EST
    You were following MO Blue around again, asking questions that you can answer for yourself.

    Ignore my response.


    Uh huh (none / 0) (#108)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:25:38 PM EST
    If you don't like being called on it, oculus, then don't do it. Troll way with this comment, too.

    Don't they usually? (none / 0) (#104)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:16:49 PM EST
    Did she receive wo pre-blessed rosaries (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:09:08 PM MDT

    as she claims?

    My mother told me of the time ... (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:49:42 PM EST
    ... when my grandmother gave my older sister, then about four years old, her very first rosary beads, only to be positively horrified when my sister then proceeded to place them around her neck. When Grandma admonished her that she mustn't ever do that, she just looked up at her and asked in all earnestness, "Then why does it look like a necklace?"

    It's a fair question (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 08:02:40 AM EST
    Perfectly innocent question.  Why must you not?

    Hmmm (none / 0) (#172)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 10:55:23 AM EST
    I was doing something there we were just bashing some one else for doing.  
    Note to some one else - it was an easy Google

    Guess what! There is no rule against wearing rosaries around your neck. Many people think it's wrong, but let's consider some other examples. Dominican and Franciscan friars hang the rosary from their belts. Some people wear rosary bracelets, and some even wear rosary rings. You might also hang a rosary from your rear view mirror or your bedpost. None of those things seems wrong. So, is it right to wear rosaries around our necks?

    The answer: no and yes. We have to examine why a person would wear it. First of all, the rosary is not a piece of jewelry. Yes, many rosaries are very beautiful and look very much like a necklace, but the truth is, they are not. Wearing it as a decoration, even if you happen to be Catholic, is wrong.

    Next, the rosary is not a magic talisman. Some people wear the rosary around their necks because they believe that it provides protection or blessing. This is superstitious, and therefore wrong. Indeed, the rosary is in fact a powerful weapon against evil, but that comes from praying it, not wearing it. The physical beads on a string are only a device to help you keep count.

    Finally, some people might wear the rosary (or hang it in their car) as a symbol of their faith. I once knew a guy who kept the rosary in his pocket but purposefully let the cross dangle out so people could see it. This is not wrong, but we must bear something in mind. The (physical) rosary is not a primarily tool for evangelization, but a tool for prayer.

    The only reason a person should ever wear a rosary is that he actually prays it. If you pray the rosary (everyday or close to everyday), then feel free to wear the rosary, just as you might a rosary bracelet or ring. That's not because you earn some kind of right to wear it by praying it. Rather, wearing it might be a convenient reminder to pray. Let's not be so concerned with whether or not we should wear the rosary. (I keep mine in my pocket.) More important is this: PRAY THE ROSARY!

    Yes, you can believe it!

    I like the part about how wearing it is "superstition"

    But fascinating.   Live and learn.   I had a very beautiful one I used to wear when I was a hippy.  No idea what happened to it.


    Citation: (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:15:16 AM EST
    See (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:19:10 AM EST
    You CAN use google

    Natch. (none / 0) (#175)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:24:21 AM EST
    Not applicable to the rosary/jewelry discussion:

    To me, if a commenter states an opinion, said commenter should, in all fairness, be willing to explain it w/ something more concrete that the familiar and dismissive, google it yourself.  


    Of course you do (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:32:01 AM EST
    Yes... (none / 0) (#176)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:31:59 AM EST
    ...there are other things you wear that are considered magic talisman.

    I am thinking of the medallions of Patron Saints.  There is a Patron Saint of Motorcyclists and many riders keep a medallion of Saint Columbanus somewhere on their bike to keep them safe.

    A lot of folks where Patron Saint jewelry with the belief that it will protect them.


    No interest here in starting (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:34:52 AM EST
    Another religion snit.  Unlike some people.

    I was actually curious.  I had never heard you are not supposed to wear them.  As I said, I used to wear one.  And I have seen many many worn.  


    Come (none / 0) (#181)
    by FlJoe on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:44:28 AM EST
    on Howdy there is apparently nothing like a good old fashioned religious snit to get the blood flowing around here.

    Dear nt let him fool you (none / 0) (#187)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:05:36 PM EST
    Capt, like sj, just LOVES to be snits about something.  Flame and diwnrate away - it will just proves my point.

    Of course, if you look at what Capt posted, to prove his point, contradicts him. It says, "Wearing it as a decoration, even if you happen to be Catholic, is wrong."

    When you were a hippie, did you wear lots of Muslim prayer beads or Jewish tallits, or Hindu kalavas?


    Dear nt let him fool you (none / 0) (#188)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:05:36 PM EST
    Capt, like sj, just LOVES to be snits about something.  Flame and diwnrate away - it will just proves my point.

    Of course, if you look at what Capt posted, to prove his point, contradicts him. It says, "Wearing it as a decoration, even if you happen to be Catholic, is wrong."

    When you were a hippie, did you wear lots of Muslim prayer beads or Jewish tallits, or Hindu kalavas?


    For the Record... (none / 0) (#183)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:52:35 AM EST
    ...I wasn't taking a swipe, 'magic talisman' was from your quote, which presumably wasn't taking a swipe at the religion either.

    I was not talking about you (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:05:09 PM EST
    I would have thought it obvious I was talking about Ms Hairshirt.  Above.

    And btw, Hairshirt,
    I have many many religious artifacts and iconography.  I collect it.  I'm the one with a six foot temple Garuda.  Remember.


    Besides patron saint jewelry, some (none / 0) (#195)
    by vml68 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:58:01 PM EST
    Catholics wear Scapulars.

    Not to hijack this stupid sub thread but (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:21:48 PM EST
    Did you see The Leftovers?

    Please tell me you did.   Or at least saved it.


    Got home too late... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:35:45 PM EST
    but I'm gonna catch it on demand one night this week.  Loved the first season, awesome concept.

    Omg (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:39:30 PM EST
    This is so much better.  Like orders of magnitude.  And I loved the first season.   Talk about a complex and unique ways of dealing with matters of "faith"

    Gush gush I know.

    Love to hear what you think.  


    well....if you and kdog vouch for it I will give (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    it a try....I do hesitate about the supernatural stuff...and that whole mute Amy Breneman concept turned me off...but maybe less than her talking turns me off...is she in Season 2?

    She is not (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:55:58 PM EST
    But she may be later.  I don't want to say to much.   I assume you know she survived the first season.  

    I admit I don't get your hate for her.  I think she was one of the most interesting characters last season.  Maybe because she did not talk.


    No, I didn't know that. Had not seen her (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 02:39:26 PM EST
    in the [incessant] ads for the show on HBO so I thought maybe she was not leftover after all.

    I made the mistake of watching the first season or two of the show The Practice, which was the Grey's Anatomy spinoff. the horror! turned me off a few actors I had previously liked just fine, AB among them. Luckily Audra MacDonald left the show before I even stopped watching, before I had to quit her too.


    Ha (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:28:37 PM EST
    Pretty sure this character will have no echoes  of any of those.

    But she is a central character.  A psychiatrist who becomes a sort of second in command of the Guilty Remnants.  A very strange cult that wears white, chain smokes and does not speak.  

    Minor SPOILER (so you may like more)

    You don't find out until the last episode or two of the first season what happens to her in the "departure".  You don't really see any of it until then in flashback.
    She is in a disintegrating marriage consideration terminating a pregnancy and actually in the doctors office in the middle of an ultrasound when everyone just vanishes.  
    As does the child from her womb.   It's an amazing moment.  

    The supernatural a part is very underplayed.  I can't think of any critical plot points that turn on it.  No one knows what happened or why.  What there is is more like a religion.   There is one of my favorite characters, Holy Wayne, who takes away people's pain.  But his last scene reveals that even he is not sure he is a fraud.

    You should not miss this.  It's special.  The premier was as good as any thing I've ever seen.  On any size screen.  Watching it yesterday I was wondering why it was ignored at awards time.  I think it must be because so many just didn't get it.  One of the things I quoted today says it was the most polarizing tv in recent years.   Weird I had never think of it that way but I guess I see why.



    OK, you talked me into it (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:48:28 PM EST
    though oddly enough that sounds a little like one of her plot lines on The Practice, in which she also plays a psychiatrist who lost a baby ...by having it cut out of her womb by a psychotic former patient.  I told you it was a horrible show.

    That's actually pretty funny (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:54:04 PM EST
    Here the only former patient you see is her co leader of the Guilty Remnant.   Which you learn at the same time as the above spoiler.

    Btw (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:59:15 PM EST
    Even Previously TV got it right.  In their own silly sophomoric way.

    That show was called Private Practice, ruffian. (none / 0) (#97)
    by caseyOR on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:26:38 PM EST
    The Practice was the name of a David E. Kelley show about Boston lawyers, a precursor to Boston Legal.

    Yes, correct - that was actually a good show! (none / 0) (#131)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:09:21 PM EST
    Btw (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:59:09 PM EST
    I would suggest seeing the first season.  The way it's structured you would not have to if you know what supposedly happened but there is a lot you will not appreciate without the first season.

    I rewatched most if it yesterday.  I really think it's one of the best things ever.  I thought it was better the second time.


    Better yet (none / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:30:05 PM EST
    Why does anyone around here care?

    Is it because you think he agreed with you on choice and gay marriage??

    And that think was based on his stated views on MMGW and other money issues??

    Look, he is what he is. He's a politician. He may also be a nice guy on some points, but so what?


    Yeah, the Tea Party Loon... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:49:49 PM EST
    ...who goes to a left website daily to bother liberals, wants to know.

    Actually we cared because (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:36:50 PM EST
    Among other things he gave us some help pushing back against climate knuckle draggers like yourself.

    Sadly even that is now dimmed by what he did.  I'm sure that pleases you.


    You know Howdy, you wrap yourself in (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:41:59 PM EST
    who you are yet attack someone who doesn't care and supports gay rights.

    And we both know that MMGW is a hoax.

    That you can't tolerate any disagreement speaks volumes about you.

    And I gotta say I know many others who left the south and now have came back yet can't quit criticizing. I mean why are they, and you, here?


    If you ever voted for a single person who (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:39:00 PM EST
    supported gay rights, that might mean something, but you don't (yes, other priorities - we know), so it doesn't.  Just stop with that, would you - no one believes you.

    You might as well tell us you support naming unicorns the official national animal.

    I think people do a damn fine job tolerating you and your crackpot ideas, and some do a good job just ignoring your trollish self, but we do have our limits; can't say as I've noticed you being particularly tolerant of anyone else's ideas.

    Quit trying to wrap others in your hoaxer theories - "we both know" doesn't make it so.


    But, Anne, I'm sure that ... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:38:01 PM EST
    ... Jim's supported more than a few gay GOP pols who are serious closet cases. Shouldn't that count for a little something?

    Thank you for pointing that out (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:47:48 PM EST
    It would have required a "second response". Which I don't do.

    If I can help it.


    My crackpot ideas?? (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:49:50 PM EST
    You mean like national defense and the second amendment?


    Speaking of support, I remember when the Left was all a flutter over Bush and FISA yet you have been strangely quite since Obama came in.

    And in this we do both know.


    If you ignore the (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:00:17 PM EST
    "We both know" bullsh!t he will quote Robert Heinlein.

    That ALWAYS works.

    He must get paid for this right?  Who would voluntarily get their rhetorical ass handed to them and be exposed as a ridiculous ignorant fraud several times a day without getting paid for it?


    Howdy, you know how the question of (none / 0) (#133)
    by Anne on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:17:28 PM EST
    what is art or p@rn can be answered with "I know it when I see it?"

    You can add the question, "what is an idiot?" to that list: I know one when I see one.

    And I'm really tired of seeing it as often as we do.

    I don't know who in his or her right mind would pay for the dreck he brings here; I mean, it's not even good wingnut argumentation - it's not even challenging.  


    Ah yes, tell us again how smart you (none / 0) (#157)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:06:29 AM EST
    are. How well you relate to others. How liberal you are. How open minded. How willing to consider other views and opinion.... Yes, please do.

    You just had to stir it up again didn't you lol (none / 0) (#85)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:19:29 PM EST
    In My Inbox (none / 0) (#31)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:17:29 PM EST
    Breaking News:  Fox News Headline 24/7

    Starting Oct. 5, Channel 115 is your new destination for round-the-clock news: Real-time headlines on breaking news, national stories, politics, business, entertainment, sports, social media trends and more.

    I bet you can't wait :-)! (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:21:19 PM EST

    Yes, Because the Only Thing... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 01:50:56 PM EST
    ...keeping me from joining the tea party, is cr@ppy AM reception.

    Alaskan Airlines Misplaces... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 02:46:50 PM EST
    ...CEO's luggage.
    Not even airline executives are safe from having a bad flight.

    Last week, Alaska Airlines president and CEO, Brad Tilden, got on stage at an airline gathering in Washington, D.C. and according to a report in the LA Times, told the audience that his checked bag had been misplaced during the flight and was delivered to him a day late.


    I have had things stolen from my bags, a bag get there a day before me, but never come up missing.  

    FYI, Delta send me a check for the stolen items.

    How does a checked-in bag ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:52:29 PM EST
    ... arrive at your destination one day before you do? I've had bags which were inadvertently put on an earlier flight and were waiting for me when I got there, but that's only happened to me on short-haul routes with many daily flights, such as interisland or between L.A. and the Bay Area. I've never before heard of what you experienced. Did you somehow miss a connection and have to stay overnight?

    Delta's pretty good in dealing with lost / damaged / stolen luggage. When we were returning from South Africa in 2010, we had to retrieve our luggage upon our arrival in Atlanta for customs, and then we re-checked them for the flight to L.A. But upon our arrival at LAX, I found that my luggage had since been neatly slashed with a boxcutter from one end to the other. Fortunately, there was nothing of value in it, only dirty laundry. But Delta's service reps apologized and replaced my bag immediately.



    When You Arrive at the Airpoirt... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:33:09 PM EST
    ...3 hours before your flight and proceed to miss your flight and the next one isn't for 48 hours.  So I had a bag there for 5 days, but not knowing if it was really there, I had top pack a 3 day bag as well.  

    It's actually against the law for the airlines to transport international bags without the passenger, but they did it anyways.

    Plus about an hour after we missed the flight, the airlines was kind enough to send an email letting us know the flight had left Houston 15 mins early, and according the the lady at the counter, we missed the flight by 5 mins.


    Congratulations (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 02:55:36 PM EST
    To Miguel Cabrera, the Tigers' first baseman, on becoming the second player in franchise history to win a fourth AL batting title in 5 years, with a .338 average.  He handily beat out the Red Sox shortstop Xander Bogarts by 18 points, and even beat out the NL winner, Dee Gordon of the Marlins NY 8 points.

    Well done, Miggy!

    Thank goodness... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:02:30 PM EST
    the Marlins never hang onto 99% of their awesome players and he's not Mets pitcher's problem anymore.  Dude hits baseballs like they stole something.

    Which means (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:22:38 PM EST
    The Marlins are the only team to have had both the AL and NL 2015 batting champions play for them

    EMV Chip Migration (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:11:55 PM EST
    October 1st was the deadline for merchants and banks to migrate to the European EMV Chip system.

    Now if they accept a card without it(including ATM's) they are liable for the fraud.  It's interesting because I went to swipe at Walgreens and it said 'not accepted', then the guy told me I had to put it in the machine on the bottom, like an ATM.

    I did and no problem.

    What is odd is that my main card was shipped recently with the chip, but the ones I never use haven't been updated.  Also, that is the only place I where I have had to do this, granted it's been 4 days, but I find it very odd that stores haven't installed these machines when they will be liable for fraud on the magnetic strip machines.

    I can't find anything about online or phone orders, surely they aren't liable, but I would imagine they account for a lot of the fraud.

    Also I wonder who is liable if both the bank that issued the card and the merchant have not upgraded to the chip.

    As long as the chip... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:39:04 PM EST
    isn't implanted in our wrists yet, and cash isn't outlawed yet, I'm all good.  

    Except when I'm stuck in line behind somebody trying to figure out the new new machine....they held up the line with the old new sh*t, never mind the new new sh*t.


    Answer: The bank. (none / 0) (#94)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 05:04:49 PM EST
    I wonder who is liable if both the bank that issued the card and the merchant have not upgraded to the chip.

    I ran into the same thing when I was shopping a month ago. I must have swiped my card 5 times and could not figure out why my card was not being accepted till the cashier told me why.
    Of course, I had to test it out at the next store I went to.

    I called my husband to tell him about it. One month later, he still insists on swiping the card first!


    1000 Year Storm (none / 0) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:38:20 PM EST
    Individual weather events cannot be attributed to climate change, but climatologists say atmospheric conditions tied to climate change intensified this downpour.

    "This is yet another example, like Sandy or Irene, of weather on `steroids', another case where climate change worsened the effects of an already extreme meteorological event," said Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University.

    Mann said hurricane Joaquin intensified in the tropical Atlantic, which is experiencing record sea-surface temperatures. These temperatures helped the hurricane strengthen quickly and unusually warm, wet air fed it even more. That moisture turned into the record rainfall which fell on the Carolinas.


    Seems like they should update storm occurrences based on time, to reflect the effects of global warming.


    The "once-in-a-thousand" phrase does not mean the storm occurs once every 1,000 years, but rather that there is a 0.1% chance of such an intense storm occurring in any year.

    I spent all day yesterday (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 03:45:37 PM EST
    Switching back and forth between The Leftovers and watching this.  It was remarkable.  And still is.  And will be fir a while I guess.  I saw hundreds of bridges were damaged and might not be usable for months.  Think about that.

    I'd also note that such storms ... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:24:12 PM EST
    ... only have to happen once, in order to make a rather indelible personal impression upon the region's inhabitants. Out here in the Pacific, we have our fifteenth named storm of the season hovering just south of the Big Island, which is a record and there's still two months to go.

    I've lived in Hawaii for nearly 30 years now, and our summers are normally warm and dry. I've never seen a summer as godawful hot, muggy, wet and stormy as this one. People who've lived here for a lot longer than that have said the same thing. Diamond Head and the mountains in east Oahu are normally a golden brown at this time of year, but this year they're covered in a deep and verdant green because of all the rain we've had this summer.

    Even over here in Hilo, which is normally pretty cloudy and temperate degrees-wise, we've had any number of days where the temperature has reached the mid-90s, which is unheard of for east Hawaii island. When you throw in our humidity on top of that, it can make for a rather hellacious experience, not unlike living in a sauna.



    Uh Scott, warming has been flat (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 04:38:15 PM EST
    for quite a while and hurricanes are way way down.

    Oh, for crying out loud! (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 06:50:14 PM EST
    No, Mr. Know-It-All, hurricanes are NOT "way down." In fact, we've had fifteen named storms in the eastern Pacific alone this season, including a record three hurricanes at once, and there's still two months to go. We presently have one hovering just south of us in Hawaii, Tropical Storm Oho. One of those eastern Pacific storms, Hurricane Dolores, moved north in July and deluged Southern California with record amounts of summer rainfalls.

    For its part, the North Atlantic has had ten named storms, up to and including the current Hurricane Joaquin, which just did a real number on South Carolina. Even the normally placid South Atlantic -- which almost never gets cyclones or tropical storms -- has had two named storms this year, Bapo and Cari.

    Please go somewhere else if you want to traffic in such blatant and easily refutable misinformation. That way, nobody here has to waste bandwidth correcting you.



    Source (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:13:16 PM EST
    Daily Caller via DRUDGEREPORT

    After a week of hype, Hurricane Joaquin did not actually directly hit the U.S., thus continuing the country's decade-long period without a major hurricane making landfall.

    The U.S. has not seen a major hurricane -- Category 3 or higher -- make landfall since Hurricane Wilma hit on Oct. 24 2005. The nearly decade-long hurricane drought has come as a big surprise to climate scientists and environmentalists who have argued that global warming will make storms more frequent and intense.

    Joaquin, which was initially predicted to make landfall on the U.S. East Coast this past weekend, ended up moving eastward. The hurricane did cause heavy rains and flooding in the South, but most of the eastern U.S. was spared from the worst impacts of the storm.

    The Bahamas, however, weren't so lucky. One journalist reported that smaller islands in the Bahamas were "completely obliterated" under intense rain, high winds and storm surges. In the aftermath of the storm, there were shortages of things like food, bottled water, diapers, toiletries, but U.S. Coast Guard ships were already on their way with relief.

    I'm sure the folks in the mid Atlantic region are relieved it did not hit.


    "Oh, I see," said the blind man. (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:03:50 PM EST
    If a storm doesn't directly hit the United States, then it doesn't count. Perhaps the wingbats will also apply that rule to earthquakes as well.

    The dumbing down of this country has officially reached a state of crisis.


    What are they up to now? (none / 0) (#126)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:30:06 PM EST
    42 likely deaths?

    So far, the toll is 12. (none / 0) (#147)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:48:02 AM EST
    But there may be a number of people who are unaccounted for right now, because communication is down in parts of the state.

    Add 33 from the "El Faro" (none / 0) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 06:44:52 AM EST
    that is presumed to have sunk off the Bahamas.

    ... according to the BBC. What in the world was the El Faro's captain thinking, to have departed Jacksonville with a major tropical storm forming astride his route to Puerto Rico, and with NOAA-NWS having issued explicit warnings that it was gathering strength?

    And surely TOTE Maritime's executives were aware of both that decision and the NWS's marine warnings, and could and should have overruled him. No vessel is "unsinkable," I don't care how well trained its crew is, and the El Faro apparently sailed right into Hurricane Joaquin's path.

    I know the NTSB will eventually figure out what happened, but at first glance, there looks to have been some incredibly reckless and irresponsible decision making here, all the way around.

    My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those missing.


    It Sunk in 15,000 feet of Water... (none / 0) (#160)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:28:52 AM EST
    ...and they are saying that a month ore two ago it cruised though another tropical storm and that it most likely would have made it through this one if it had not lost power.

    Woulda, shoulda, coulda. (none / 0) (#165)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:50:33 AM EST
    In the fickle game of tempting fate, that captain needed to be lucky forever. Mother Nature only needed to be lucky once.

    I Agree Donald... (none / 0) (#168)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 10:01:12 AM EST
    ...just stating why they think he went for it, which I am not sure how it works, but certainly more people are in on the decision that just the captain.

    Exactly. Per maritime law, ... (none / 0) (#201)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:10:43 PM EST
    ... the captain is the final authority and arbiter in all matters concerning his (or her) vessel and crew. Therefore, the immediate decision of when to put to sea would have rested with him.

    But the ship's owners also have a considerable stake in such matters by virtue of their investment, and they hire the captain, so it's not like they have no say here. A simple phone call from corporate management would have kept the El Faro in port.

    Finally, both parties have an ethical and legal obligation to not place the lives of their vessel's crew members at unnecessary risk -- and in this case, I'd say that they failed miserably in that regard.



    Bullsh1t... (none / 0) (#159)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:26:57 AM EST
    The U.S. has not seen a major hurricane -- Category 3 or higher -- make landfall since Hurricane Wilma hit on Oct. 24 2005.

    I sat on my 5th floor deck at 3am with my friend from Wisconsin as a hurricane named Ike ripped through the city.

    Ike developed from a tropical wave west of Cape Verde on September 1 and strengthened to a peak intensity as a Category 4 hurricane over the open waters of the central Atlantic on September 4 as it tracked westward. Several fluctuations in strength occurred before Ike made landfall on eastern Cuba on September 8. The hurricane weakened prior to continuing into the Gulf of Mexico, but increased its intensity by the time of its final landfall on Galveston, Texas on September 13. The remnants of Ike continued to track across the United States and into Canada, causing considerable damage inland, before dissipating two days later.



    Between 1995 and (none / 0) (#166)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:51:31 AM EST
    2005 here were 46 major hurricanes

    In the past 10 years there have been 26.


    I say major because tropical storms and minor hurricanes do not do the damage that major hurricanes do. Counting them is like saying that a bad cold is the same as pneumonia.

    But, since you are a believer I can see your comment. And, of course, your hateful remarks are not at low. In fact, they continue at a record pace.


    In the meantime, let's see what a real scientist has to say:

    When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago).

    Now since Eisenhower's warnings against the military and industrial complex has been a staple point of the Left I trust you will see Dr. Ledwis' point. He continues:

    How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d'être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

    It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford's book organizes the facts very well.) I don't believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

    Emphasis added.


    Professor Lewis is Professor Emeritus at UCSB.

    So take your consensus claims somewhere else. Let's see what another highly educated and very smart man said. And as you read this remember that had no reason to swim against the current. In fact, he had every financial reason to embrace the hoax.

    Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.

    There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period."

    ― Michael Crichton



    A professor of physics and a science fiction (none / 0) (#191)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:29:02 PM EST
    writer are your ultimate authorities on climate science, in another annoying, bandwidth-devouring post with all the TL community interest and intellectual/scientific value of a fart after a baked bean dinner (a Tea Party potluck!)

    A leaf storm of words and exciting (to you) quotations from science fiction writers and non-climate scientist physics professors, doesn't boost the credibility of far-right fossil fuel industry stooges one iota.

    I like you better when you're letting it all hang out over at Tall Cotton and quoting far-right racists like John W Campbell Jr in order to show that scientists in general can't be trusted.



    Kind (none / 0) (#120)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:04:21 PM EST
    of a chilling similarity between the Mothers of these two school shooters.
    Oregon shooter's mother was an avid gun enthusiast who stockpiled weapons
    Nancy Lanza, mother of Conn. school gunman, was "big, big gun fan"
    Link link

    Two responsible gun owners for sure. Nothing shows motherly love like taking your disturbed son to the shooting range,

    Because happiness is a warm gun, mama
     John Lennon was a prophet, too bad it was "I am the Walrus" rather then "Imagine" that came to fruition.

    New Breitbart (none / 0) (#123)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:12:12 PM EST

    I was impressed with the analysis.  Trump seems to be pushing a popular position that was supported by Rubio and the timing of congress voting on it will most likely be getting headlines just in time for the early voting in NH and Iowa.  Trump is also rebashing Rubio for Rubio's claim that he has read the entire TPP bill (something that probably would take a couple of days for an eight hundred page bill).  Trump and talking heads have demanded Rubio name the days he went into the secret room to do the reading, something Rubio and his minions have not done yet.

    It will be interesting to see how this timing affects the dems as well.  Bernie has longly and loudly opposed the TPP while Hillary has sorta kinda been a supporter in certain circles.  Wonder if this will cost Hillary votes in the early contests.

    I predict that (none / 0) (#125)
    by christinep on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:18:33 PM EST
    HRC will take the time necessary to read & digest such a significant document.  Knee-jerk anything doesn't tend to work--in the long run--in matters such as extensive trade agreements.

    Not sure Hillary will read it. (none / 0) (#141)
    by ragebot on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 10:20:00 PM EST
    The TTP is in a secure room and congressmen only are allowed in, no staff.  Can't make copies or take notes.  At eight hundred pages long it is not a short read and may be like many bills in referring with pointers not embedded text.  The last blurb I saw less than twenty congressmen had spent two days in the room which is suppose to be what is required to read it.

    What we do know is Bernie seems to be the most up to speed candidate on what is really in it and as I posted earlier he has longly and loudly opposed it.  Hillary has been all over the place changing her position for reason she has not explained.

    The whole point of the Breitbart link was that the timing of the congressional debate seems to be designed to affect the early voting in NH and Iowa.  The TTP is not popular with the public at large but the establishment powers on both sides of the aisle are pushing it.

    No doubt Trump is the loudest TTP basher for the repubs but Bernie is no slouch for the dems.  All the rest are either trying to imitate these two or bobbing and weaving when asked about their positions.


    Hillary Clinton is apparently (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:12:46 AM EST
    not cleared to read the agreement and those who have the clearance and have read it are bound by non-disclosure conditions.  

    Yikes (none / 0) (#144)
    by sj on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 11:41:22 PM EST
    ragebot is almost right. Some reports indicate that staffers with security clearance are allowed to see but they aren't allowed to discuss it (usual with classified documents). Although I didn't find reporting of this any more recent than June.

    The most she read and digest are leaked documents.

    I am partially agreeing with ragebot. Don't make me do that again... please?


    My recollection is that Clinton was (none / 0) (#148)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 06:33:09 AM EST
    involved in advocating for the agreement when she was Secretary of State, and it simply would be out of character for her not to have had as much information as possible about it in order to do so.

    So, while she may not have read "the" agreement, I find it hard to believe she is not as familiar as it is possible to be about it, and that she understands its scope and ramifications across both the national and global economies.

    This may be an instance of her being for something before she was equivocal about it. That there's a record of her support - which would be hard for her to deny - about the best she can do is discuss the evolution of her thinking, and hope people don't just assume she's trying to out-Bernie Bernie Sanders.

    Might be a tough sell.


    Okay (none / 0) (#179)
    by sj on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:41:26 AM EST
    That makes sense. I had no recollection of her advocating for it. But I agree, if she did advocate, she knew what she was about.

    You know, I remember both she and George Stephanopoulos were opposed to NAFTA so her advocating for this monstrosity (my opinion based on leaks since the Administration won't go public) is a huge disappointment. A lip curler, actually.


    The TTP Deal (none / 0) (#156)
    by ragebot on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 08:26:05 AM EST
    was not finalized till yesterday.  If the reports that it is about 800 pages long is true then no one has read it assuming it takes two days to read it.

    What is known is that significant opposition to the pact is coming from labor and environmental groups related to some parts of it that are known.  There is also opposition to the idea that congress can abdicate its role in trade agreements to the president.

    Here is a blurb from today's WaPo:

    "Obama must wait at least 90 days after notifying Congress of the deal before he can sign it and send it to Capitol Hill, and the full text of the agreement must be made public for at least 60 of those days.

    Congress is expected to receive the legal documents to start the 90-day clock later this week. Lawmakers will then have 30 days to review the deal before it is made public."

    I am betting there will be some very unpopular parts of the TPP that will come out in the 60 day period.


    Woo hoo! More Breitbart! (none / 0) (#132)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:14:04 PM EST
    Please join us again tomorrow, boys and girls, when Breitbart tells us that a personal ability to differentiate one's own a$$ from one's elbow is highly overrated.

    I finally figured out who Ted Cruz looks like... (none / 0) (#128)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 08:50:11 PM EST
    This week in adorable pet videos: (none / 0) (#136)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 05, 2015 at 09:34:08 PM EST
    Meet Jules, a 20-lb. French bulldog in Monrovia, CA who gives new meaning to the question, "Why don't you pick on someone your own size?"

    I saw that. Apparently the [idiot] neighbors (none / 0) (#153)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 07:31:02 AM EST
    were feeding the bears.  Did I say Idiots?

    Wouldn't surprise me. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:35:48 AM EST
    Having grown up in neighboring Pasadena, I know that residents of the foothill communities have long had to deal with the issue of foraging bears occasionally visiting the neighborhood. City and county authorities explicitly warn everyone to keep household garbage stored in their enclosed garage until pickup day, and to not leave food or anything out that would attract the animals. But some people are really stupid and think that such warnings and rules somehow don't apply to them.

    Crazy Dog... (none / 0) (#161)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:34:49 AM EST
    ...here is one driving a toy car, watch, the dog is literally steering the car.

    Another excellent case of a gun used (none / 0) (#150)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 07:12:36 AM EST
    "The boy retrieved his father's (none / 0) (#152)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 07:27:15 AM EST
    12-gauge shotgun"

    Guess it wasn't locked up or secured against easy access by an angry 11-year old.  Or any child, for that matter, angry or not.  I continue to have trouble with this level of stupidity, carelessness and disregard for safety.

    This incident is why parents need to know whether there are guns in the homes their children visit, and whether those guns are locked up.  "Oh, but we've taught little Billy all about guns and he knows not to touch them without one of us," is not sufficient.  If you're that parent, my kid isn't coming to your house, ever.

    When is enough going to be enough?


    When I Went to My Brother's Place... (none / 0) (#167)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:58:32 AM EST
    ...we went somewhere to buy a gun, which took forever, but he asked me to buy ammunition as the store policy, not the law, isn't to sell the two together.

    When we got home, which always has his kids and the many others running around, the first thing he did is walk into the basement and open his fridge size safe to lock up both the ammo and gun.

    He doesn't let his kids play with toy guns, but much to my dismay, he is taking his little girl out hunting this year.  Even more disturbing to me is she cannot wait.  Hunting in Wisconsin means sitting up in a tree in 20 degree weather for the majority of the day.  How anyone can view that as fun is beyond me.  Then after the season, my brother and his buddies transform his garage into meat processing plant for a weekend.  They not only process their kills, but they buy pork and beef to process as well.  I have seen it when it was a couple guys, but now it's turned into nearly 20 people and his wife, who doesn't eat meat, says it is something to see.

    I hate the hunting aspect of all of it, but he is a what they would classify as responsible gun owner.  While I believe that most people who own guns are responsible, they most certainly ensure the ones who are not responsible can never be weeded out via legislation.  The gun lobby and the NRA have scared responsible owners, by using terms like confiscation and banning, that they are willing to allow irresponsible owners to continue to own guns to ensure that the government doesn't take theirs.  

    To which I would say, exactly how responsible are you when you won't allow regulation to try and weed out people whose guns end up killing other people ?

    To me, responsible gun owners like myself, want regulation to try and decrease the number of innocence people killed by guns.  Responsible owners understand the NRA is an extension of the gun lobby and should not support any organization trying to craft regulation that benefits the manufactures of guns at the expense of human life.  Responsible gun owners should be more concerned about innocent victims than the gun manufactures profits.


    Saw this yesterday (none / 0) (#180)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:43:43 AM EST
    Word fail.

    That said, I believe there is blame here that is not the child's.   Having grown up with guns and around dozens of kids who grew up surrounded by guns, I can tell you this would not happen to any of the kids in my orbit.  It simply would not.  Because they are raised literally from birth to respect them and to never NEVER touch them unsupervised.  And they are not locked up.  Everyone I know owns guns and they do not lock them up.  And every kid knows balls to bones that if they break that rule they will get the living sh!t beat out f them.

    That may not be politically correct but it's a fact and it saves lives.

    IMO this, more than anything else, is about parenting.

    I am not a gun apologist.  I would literally confiscate all of them.  But let's be clear about cause and effect.


    Two things: this doesn't happen if (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:36:53 PM EST
    the gun is under lock and key - and - how and from whom is a child learning that when things don't go his way, the answer is to go for the gun and start shooting?

    And I will echo Scott in saying that if someone's kid shoots and kills mine, it's not going to do any good to beat on the kid who did the shooting.

    Also, here's a link to a takedown of the "good guys with guns" fallacy.

    None of this has prevented the gun manufacturers' lobby from insisting that more guns make a society safer. And many Americans have come to believe it. According to the Pew Research Center, the share of gun owners who cite "protection" as "the main reason they own a gun" almost doubled between 1999 and 2013, from 26 percent to 48 percent.

    But a large body of empirical evidence finds the opposite to be true. Last year, epidemiologists at the University of California, San Francisco, conducted an extensive analysis of data from 16 previous peer-reviewed studies, and found that having access to a firearm makes a person almost twice as likely to become the victim of a homicide and three times more likely to commit suicide. Previous research has shown that countries with higher rates of gun ownership also have higher rates of gun deaths and states with more guns have higher homicide rates. (The gun lobby's side of the scholarly debate rests largely on the discredited and allegedly fraudulent work of economist John Lott.)

    Great quesion, what is the answer? (none / 0) (#203)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:14:22 PM EST
    and - how and from whom is a child learning that when things don't go his way, the answer is to go for the gun and start shooting?

    The brain of an 11-yr. old is not yet (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:39:22 PM EST
    at adult maturity.  

    Sadly, oc, (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    the brains of a whole lot of adults aren't at adult maturity, either.

    This (none / 0) (#184)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:54:44 AM EST
    this would not happen to any of the kids in my orbit.  It simply would not. Because they are raised literally from birth to respect them and to never NEVER touch them unsupervised.

    is what is commonly referred to as famous last words right after another senseless gun death.


    The Idea That Kids... (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:22:01 PM EST
    ...who literally get the living S beat of of them, always listen to their parents is a rather naive view.  Are they going to beat the living S out of the neighbors kids, relatives kids, friends, random visitors, and anyone else that may at some point be inside the house ?

    Plus of course that would be after the fact, which is not any sort of solution if it goes off and kills someone.

    While I agree about the parenting angle, kids are kids, and if they are locked up, you won't have to beat the living S out of any of them.  Everyone wins.

    There is no reason to leave guns where anyone but the owner has access.


    Locks have keys (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 12:57:40 PM EST
    Kids are smart.  I believe kids can be taught respect fir guns.  I've seen it.
    Plus I am not taking about punishment after an incident I'm taking about putting the fear of God into a kid do the incident does not happen.  
    As I said, I've seen it.

    I'm not defending guns.  Or availability of guns.  I'm saying when a 11 year old gets a parents gun and kills an 8 year old it's the parents fault.

    Also I'm am not naive enough to believe all children will be educated the way the ones in my family are.  There's plenty of white trash around here that would be a breeding ground for this kind of thing.  When it happens it will be the fault if the white trash meth head parents.

    I knew this comment would draw fire.    No pun intended.


    Doctors Without Borders (none / 0) (#151)
    by Anne on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 07:14:13 AM EST
    "Today the US government has admitted that it was their airstrike that hit our hospital in Kunduz and killed 22 patients and MSF staff. Their description of the attack keeps changing--from collateral damage, to a tragic incident, to now attempting to pass responsibility to the Afghanistan government. The reality is the US dropped those bombs. The US hit a huge hospital full of wounded patients and MSF staff. The US military remains responsible for the targets it hits, even though it is part of a coalition. There can be no justification for this horrible attack. With such constant discrepancies in the US and Afghan accounts of what happened, the need for a full transparent independent investigation is ever more critical."


    How does one even respond to this?

    With two words: (none / 0) (#164)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 09:40:39 AM EST
    War crime.

    I was reading about that yesterday (none / 0) (#182)
    by sj on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 11:50:53 AM EST
    In fact I still have a tab open with information. I just couldn't bring myself to comment on it.
    ...during the attacks, MSF directly contacted the Pentagon through its U.S. office asking it to stop, but "it lasted more than 30 minutes before that ended."

    "Let me repeat for your listeners: The only buildings that were hit were the ICU -- the intensive care unit -- the physiotherapy room and the emergency room and the recovery room," she said.

    "This was a very precise attack on the main building, which was a hospital building, so we cannot be confused about what was going on," she declared. "The U.S. military should read the Geneva Conventions again."

    A nurse at the Doctors Without Borders hospital described the bombardment.

    "There are no words for how terrible it was," Lajos Zoltan told the charity. "In the intensive care unit, six patients were burning in their beds. A patient was there on the operating table, dead, in the middle of the destruction."

    new (none / 0) (#196)
    by Droid4apk on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    When they get PO'ed, they get straight to the point and really don't mess around or mince words.

    Site violator (none / 0) (#199)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:09:43 PM EST
    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:10:58 PM EST
    No words minced

    new (none / 0) (#198)
    by Droid4apk on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:07:09 PM EST
    When they get PO'ed, they get straight to the point and really don't mess around or mince words.

    Tambien (none / 0) (#200)
    by fishcamp on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:10:20 PM EST
    One more (none / 0) (#205)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 01:18:43 PM EST
    Because this is such a perfect example of the clueless assumption laden BS you post in every thread-

    Of course, if you look at what Capt posted, to prove his point, contradicts him. It says, "Wearing it as a decoration, even if you happen to be Catholic, is wrong."

    Neayh neayh neayh whine whine whine

    It dies not  "contradict" a single thing dumbass.  I didn't say anything.  I asked a question, then I answered it.