Hillary Picks Tim Kaine as Running Mate

Hillary Clinton has picked Tim Kaine as her running mate. What a dull, uninspiring, lackluster choice. He seems as exciting as Mike Pence. But, it really didn't matter who she picked. No one will honestly claim they have decided to vote for Trump because she picked Kaine instead of someone else.

Still, it's disappointing Hillary went the so called safe route instead of adding a refreshing newcomer or a minority to the ticket. I wonder if she would have chosen Kaine if Trump hadn't chosen Pence. If not, then her choice is reactive and responsive. I'd rather she grabbed the initiative and made bold choices.

Since Trump will have made himself unacceptable to everyone but the most angry, marginalized and under-informed voters, and his own children, I'm still confident she'll win in November. But I'm not buying she's "thrilled" to make this announcement.

Update: Nate Silver at 538 analyzes Kaine's likely effect on Hillary's chances in November. He says he'll help a little, but not much.

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    I was kind (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:59:55 PM EST
    of meh on Kaine until I read up on his background. Jeralyn, I would think that you mind move that way after finding out he's been an advocate for the underdog for a long time.

    And against (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:01:05 PM EST
    The death penalty

    And 100% rating by planned parenthood (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:53:23 PM EST
    Despite being personally against abortion on religious grounds.


    So I have taken the position, which is quite common among Catholics -- I have got a personal feeling about abortion, but the right rule for government is to let women make their own decisions."

    Kaine noted that the Supreme Court on Monday is expected to issue a ruling in a case challening the "onerous regulations" Texas has imposed on abortion clinics.

    "We fought those off in Virginia when I was governor because you have got to let people make their own moral choices when it comes to matters of reproduction, intimacy and relationships" said Kaine

    not really (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:52:47 PM EST
    see here

    They say (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 10:20:39 PM EST
    They have their talking points all ready to go for dealing with this stuff.

    I hope so.

    Hillarys has made her bed.  Now we all have to sleep in it.  


    and at least (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:56:46 PM EST
    even in 2006 (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 10:04:21 PM EST
    I called him a dismal choice when he was chosen to give the Dem. response to the SOTU -- as did many progressive dems

    Well, let's make some lemonade... (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by magster on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 12:58:22 AM EST
    Kaine cut his teeth on suing racist landlords. Trump cut his teeth by being one. There's probably a good commercial in there somewhere.

    Absolutely no one... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 10:54:02 AM EST
    will go Trump over the Kaine pick...but it's not the extra motivation for the more progressive or the youth to get to the polls.

    That's what she needed with the selection imo...a poll driver for the Occupy, youth, and hard left sets.

    Pick tells me she thinks victory is assured and Kaine is who she most wants to work with. It may well be assured, but let's hope that ain't counting eggs before they hatch.

    I agree with you (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 11:07:44 AM EST

    One Guess (none / 0) (#1)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:29:56 PM EST
    The fact the Kaine's senate successor will be appointed by Democratic Governor Terry McAuliffe might be one reason for this choice over Sen. Warren.  

    Just listening to a conversation (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:32:56 PM EST
    About how this could get dicy because the senate could end up 50-50 and this could put a critical special election in an iffy state right in the middle of Hillarys first term

    McCauliffe might pick himself.


    Rumo has it that the (none / 0) (#5)
    by MKS on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:52:59 PM EST
    Black Caucus likes the Kaine pick because it will provide an opening for perhaps Bobby Scott.

    uninspiring but (none / 0) (#3)
    by pitachips on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:47:42 PM EST
    Pretty Standard for presidential elections. Start with the base, then shift to shoring up the "establishment." Hillary is a pretty cautious politician. No way she was going to rock the boat by choosing Warren or anyone else that her donors would be uncomfortable with.

    oh (none / 0) (#4)
    by linea on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 08:51:27 PM EST
    i shoudn't care but was actually hoping for a woman veep. i'm properly disappointed.

    Don't understand the (none / 0) (#8)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:01:31 PM EST
    Kaine pick.  There seems to be lots of outsider v insider factions both in the Democratic and Republican parties.  Both Trump and Sanders attracted voters as outsiders.  Kaine is definitely an insider and I expected Hillary to try and attract some of Sanders outsider voters with her pick.

    But most folks will probably agree this election is Donald v Hillary and both VPs are just along for the ride.

    If there's (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 09:29:40 PM EST
    been a VP that changed the electoral math in the last 40 years or so I sure can't think of one.

    Last VP to help win was (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by ragebot on Fri Jul 22, 2016 at 10:54:50 PM EST

    But then (none / 0) (#18)
    by Nemi on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 06:40:35 AM EST
    a woman has never before been at the top of the ticket, so there's that ... to take into consideration.

    Personal disappointment aside (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Nemi on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 06:36:56 AM EST
    to me it makes perfect sense that she would choose a white male as VP as that seems to be the demographic she has the most difficulty attracting.

    On the other hand reading the comments to the pages Jeralyn links to is rather disquieting. Picking Tim Kaine certainly doesn't seem to be what's needed to bring back former Democrats or those contemplating leaving the party. Quite the contrary.

    What turned me against him reading up on him in the past was learning that though opposed to the death penalty, he still oversaw 11 executions while governor. But maybe he had no choice? (No pun intended.)

    And while there's far too much at stake for Hillary Clinton to risk a 'bold' or 'controversial' pick, she still had an amazing lineup of people who could have brought excitement to pick and choose from, and yet ...

    Oh well. :(


    In a perfect world (none / 0) (#19)
    by Coral on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 07:08:09 AM EST
    I would have liked Perez or Warren. However, the GOP convention and Trump's bizarre behavior has frightened me so much about November, that I am somewhat relieved about HRC going for safety. Kaine has won a lot of elections in purple Virginia and fought the good fight in a quiet way, so I'm fine with him.

    I was nervous about Castro and Perez because they don't have the experience of several electoral battles. I'd keep an eye on both for the future.

    Warren is a rising power in the Senate. She can push Clinton to the left on finance and consumer protection. HRC's first task is to get a Supreme Court justice confirmed. Need Dems to take the Senate for that, and losing Brown, Warren, or Booker could have been devastating.

    What we need is a more progressive Congress and a less radical GOP. Maybe real progressive pushes from below can help make that happen.

    Also (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 07:36:28 AM EST
    Sherrod Brown, one of my faves. Barring disaster in the fall, the next set of epic battles will be fought in the Senate not in the White house and certainly not in the VP's office. We need Brown, Warren, Sanders, Booker, Franken and hopefully Feingold to lead the charge.

    One of the overarching emerging themes emerging from Hillary is the steady hand vs. the loose cannon. This "safe pick" plays directly to that narrative, which IMO is good move.



    Armando on twitter not really (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jul 23, 2016 at 11:30:35 AM EST
    Impressed with Nate Silver posting how "close" the race is, indicates that until after the Democratic Convention completes this is premature counting.

    I hope Armando is right since I got riled yesterday and in an argument with Trumpers, because the candidates haven't even squared off yet. Feeling more confident cuz whew...Armando says so too...neener neener neener ;)