Sunday Night Open Thread

Amazing Race is in India tonight. I haven't watched this season before tonight. I'm glad to see that Brendon and Rachel from Big Brother are still competing. One of competing pairs are Border Patrol Agents. I hope they go home before Brendon and Rachel. Has anyone been watching?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Clarification on commenting rules (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by shoephone on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 10:01:53 PM EST
    I would like a clarification on the commenting rules. A whole slew of new commenters have registered on the site in recent days, and more than one of the rules appears to have been violated, numerous times. In particular, I'm wondering if the following rule still is still in effect:

    New commenters, i.e, those registered for 30 days or less, may not post more than 10 comments in a 24 hour period

    By my estimation, that one has been violated egregiously, and I'd like to know why repeated violations have been allowed to stand, and new commenters have not been limited to 10 comments in a 24-hour period, and why they have not been admonished for "chattering."

    the comment rules (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 11:17:02 PM EST
    To be a "chatterer" there are two elements". The Comment Rules:

       TalkLeft will limit commenters to four comments a day if, in its sole discretion, the commenter is a "chatterer," loosely defined as one who both holds opposing views from those expressed by TalkLeft and:

    Those who are commenting in support of the position of the defense, in this case, George Zimmerman do not "hold opposing views from those expressed by TalkLeft." Therefore they are not chatterers and the four comment per day thread does not apply to them.

    As to the 10 comment day rule for new commenters, you are correct the rule states:

    New commenters, i.e, those registered for 30 days or less, may not post more than 10 comments in a 24 hour period.

    However, multiple "old" commenters here attacked or criticized the new commenters. Given the number of comments attacking their position, it didn't seem fair to limit their ability to reply to each attack and defend their position.  Otherwise, their view would be drowned out by the those who hold the opposing view. I'm not about to let anti-defense views overtake this site. It would defeat the reason for its existence.

    And, you miss the far more important rule:

    Name-calling, personal attacks and insults, racist comments or use of profanity by any commenter, whether they are by persons who agree or disagree with the views expressed by TalkLeft will not be tolerated and will result in the deletion of the comment and the banning of the commenter's ISP address, without notice.

    The new commenters whose comments I've seen did not respond in kind even when "old commenters" here mocked their position, attacked their intelligence, politics, motives and  more. They responded with substance defending their position. If 20 people attack them, it's unfair to limit their ability to reply.

    If there is an objectionable comment, it should be reported to me. I don't spend 24/7 monitoring comments, I check the ones on my threads when I have time, mostly at night.

    I also addressed your question here.

    When a comment attacking the character of Trayvon Martin has been pointed out to me I have deleted it and warned it will not be tolerated. You can see all my comments here.


    Thank you for your response, Jeralyn (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by shoephone on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 11:28:09 PM EST
    I'm sorry to say, I find it wanting. I believe the new exceptions to the rules show a double standard being applied here now, precipated by the emotionalism of the Zimmerman case.

    I may still log in to read posts, but as far as me commenting in the future, I bid you all "adieu."


    Absolutely agree (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by ks on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:37:49 AM EST
    IMO, the double standard has been pretty jarring.  In my case, I got a lengthy lecture about "tone" and TL chattering rules while the slew of new drive-by posters attracted to this subject have been mostly allowed to run rampant and not just post the same pro-defense/Zimmerman arguments that Jeralyn is alluding to over and over again but also to engage in rank speculation and make covert and overt racialist arguments.

    To be fair, it's been hot and heavy so by the time Jeralyn gets to it, the horse is out of the barn but this has happened in enough threads on this subject to be a pattern.


    Hope you reconsider shoephone... (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:42:21 AM EST
    take a break, let the Zimmermess die down....I consider you a valued commenter and would hate to lose ya.

    I find the Zimmerman fan club disheartening, if only all accused got such benefit of the doubt! ;)But at the end of the day we're all just knuckleheads commenting on a blog, it ain't worth getting upset over, we're not changing the world we're entertaining ourselves in our nerdy little way.  

    Easier said than done sometimes I know...


    A little less Zimmerman and a little (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 03:40:40 PM EST
    more Dylan I say..

    At seventy, Bob should imo, be under serious consideration for the Nobel Prize for literature. Though that may be a pipe dream..


    Nobel or No Nobel... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 04:47:38 PM EST
    he's a master by people's choice.

    The Zimmerman threads seem to be (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:25:09 AM EST
    "anything goes" as far as sticking to the topic of J's post.  

    In the Real World (none / 0) (#19)
    by nomatter0nevermind on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 11:46:44 AM EST
    One thread was purged of a large number of off-topic comments.

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ks on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    Putting aside the one vs many argument, I think you are making his/her point.  That those comments were purged sometime after the fact doesn't change that they were off-topic in "real time".

    Unsolicited advice: just don't read (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:07:48 PM EST
    the comments to the Zimmerman/Martin posts.

    Or skim for commenters (none / 0) (#23)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:15:58 PM EST
    whose observations you find worthwhile and skip the rest.  Same as for any other topics, IOW.

    Good advice (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ks on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:28:02 PM EST
    From both of you.  I've tried buth what's that line from one of the "Godfather" movies... "Just when you think you are out...."  Heh.  

    I think Jeralyn could raise a lot of (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 02:11:46 PM EST
    money with an "Ignore" button that would replace the comments of those one doesn't even want to be tempted to read - or sucked into arguing with - with "this comment does not appear because the commenter is on your Ignore list."

    Thank you for the clarification. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Mr Tuxedo on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 10:59:37 AM EST
    I am a new commenter and have been following the commenting rules. But I have been put off by some people's appeals to the rules only because they disagree with the points that a new commenter has been making. That kind of behavior is intellectually irresponsible. It also puts the complainers in an unflattering light by making them look like tattletales.

    Hey . . . (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by nycstray on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:25:06 PM EST
    that there last sentence was just so 'how to have a civil conversation', now wasn't it?  ;)

    I've been watching Am Race all season (none / 0) (#1)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 09:56:22 PM EST
    Brendon and Rachel are growing on me. But I don't think anyone is going to beat Dave and the other Rachel unless a stroke of really bad luck befalls them.

    The border patrol agents can be jerky sometimes but they did a really nice thing early on in giving half of their reward money for one leg to the Kentucky team that came in right behind them. One of them is trying to make the extra money for his disabled child.

    None of the teams this year are super annoying, which is nice, I won't mind whoever wins.

    Have not seen the show. But this looks (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 10:01:19 PM EST
    like damning w/faint praise!

    Well, it is not exactly high art! (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 29, 2012 at 10:11:59 PM EST
    Just my Sunday night wind-down before Mad Men! Now that is a great show!

    I love the amazing race ! (none / 0) (#14)
    by samsguy18 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 10:36:59 AM EST
    It allows me to travel every Sunday....I find this competition more often than not  shows the better side of the human spirit.

    I do love the travelogue aspect (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 12:26:36 PM EST
    I was ready to go to Africa with them a couple of weeks ago. I have seen lots of travel shows, but AR really brought it to life. Great camera work.

    Did the Dems make a mistake (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:45:19 AM EST
    Definitely a risk to pick a swing state (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 09:00:57 AM EST
    site, especially when you have to commit so far ahead of time. Things seem to h ave swung the wrong way.

    On the other hand I'm not sure how much the site matters.


    If there's a way to screw things up then the Dems (none / 0) (#10)
    by Angel on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:53:31 AM EST
    will do it.  

    Also not mentioned (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 08:05:22 AM EST
    NC is not a union-friendly state.

    That was probably part of (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 09:02:12 AM EST
    the post partisan unity shtick in the choice.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#9)
    by Angel on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 07:52:01 AM EST

    My cable's out so I missed it last night... (none / 0) (#29)
    by mexboy on Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 04:34:02 PM EST
    ...but I can't stand the border patrol jerks and the dating divorcees. I'd be happy with any of the other couples winning it.