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Radical Cleric Pat Robertson Wishes Injury On Peyton Manning

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Posted on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:00:31 AM EST
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With "supporters" like Pat Robertson, Tim Tebow does not need detractors. Robertson said:

And you just ask yourself, okay, so Peyton Manning was a tremendous MVP quarterback, but he’s been injured. If that injury comes back, Denver will find itself without a quarterback. And in my opinion, it would serve them right.”

Calls himself a Christian. What a despicable man. Tebow needs to learn to get away from these people.

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    I don't believe (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:14:48 AM EST
    Tebow has ever attached himself to Robertson. More like vice versa as Robertson regularly tries to attach himself to Tebow.

    He is free to do what many Muslims do (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:49:33 PM EST
    And denounce extremist hate mongering, or not.

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    HA (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:53:43 PM EST
    I love this comment for everything that it implies.

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    Gee, has someone denounced (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:09:12 PM EST
    Muslims for praying at the appointed times?

    I must have missed it back there.

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    Maybe Peyton Manning prays (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:38:26 PM EST
    Perhaps he prays alone with humbleness and humility and not as a show for others as the Bible suggests.  And for that humbleness and humility may he be repaid with a broken I guess.

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    MT, so what is your point? (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:35:24 AM EST
    The Bible does not say that you should not publicly give thanks to God.

    Think I'm wrong??

    Ever read about a fish dinner for a bunch of people?

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    Of course it does (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:41:47 AM EST
    Ever read Matthew 6:5-6?

    "When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get.  But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

    Lotta conflicting messages in the bible, huh?

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    Pat and every other... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:23:27 AM EST
    christian loon...well said, it is kind of a raw deal for Tebow.  You can't pick your fans.

    Joe Strummer was appalled when Desert Storm soldiers were painting "Rock the Casbah" on bombs to be dropped on Iraq.

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    Timmy is an evangelical, a proselytizer (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:01:32 PM EST
    I know the mindset.  I don't think he'd choose to distance himself from anyone who called themselves Christian and wasn't out obviously harming people physically.  Intellectual consistency and insight are not the forte of the fundamentalist mindset, no matter what fundamentalist religion you are talking about.  The literal belief in obvious metaphor is not a badge of honor, it's a form of perpetual childishness.  Believe what you want, Robertson and Tebow and Co., I would never try to stop you, but the minute you bring your theological stuff into the public game, I will swat that sh*t into the third row.

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    I'm with ya man... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:05:32 PM EST
    I'm not shy about letting my heathen tongue fly either when the holy-roller set brings it outside their houses of worship.

    Tebow has said some controversial stuff and done some controversial stuff...but nothing approcahing the level of a Pat Freakin' Robertson.  We gotta give him that...he's a class act as far as evangelicals are concerned, and has shown he's got thick skin for criticism.

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    kdog, what has he said or done (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:33:25 PM EST
    that a reasonable person would find controversial?

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    I was thinking... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:41:12 PM EST
    of the Focus on the Family commercial...and the circumcision of Fillipino boys.

    I thought I was being rather complementary...an olive branch to the newest Jet, if you will;)

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    I saw your statement as (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:45:38 PM EST
    an awkward olive branch too.

    Will I become a Jets fan?

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    Don't do it to yourself CG... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:52:23 PM EST
    I didn't have a choice, in my family you rooted for the Jets/Mets/Knicks/Islanders or found some other place to live.

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    I have no NFL rooting interest (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:58:07 PM EST
    in fact rarely watch, but the Broncos were a lot of fun last season. My one and only football love is still the Gators, but I do check the stats for former Gators so the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets will have me perusing the boxscore.

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    Just don't get emotionally invested! (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:00:38 PM EST
    I like you too much!

    You've been warned;)

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    Really... (none / 0) (#58)
    by desertswine on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 07:52:23 PM EST
    Thee Jets haven't been to a Superbowl in, what, 43 years?  Since the 1968 season?

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    Still better (none / 0) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 08:26:25 PM EST
    than being a Cubs fan.

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    Being a Cubs fan... (none / 0) (#60)
    by desertswine on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 08:44:18 PM EST
    is a whole nutha thing.

    A Dying Cubs Fan's Last Request

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    kdog (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:28:39 PM EST
    the Jets have traded Drew Stanton to the Colts. So the Colts release Manning and gain Stanton but save $28 million and Tebow automatically becomes number 2 behind Sanchez.

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    I think this would be the wrong (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 02:43:27 PM EST
    year to become a Jets fan; signing Tebow has vaulted them into an automatic QB controversy before the season even starts, and I'm guessing it's going to dog them all season.   Last season's locker room chaos is going to seem like an oasis of calm in comparison to what it will be like this season - probably no later than mid-October.

    The decision by GM Tannenbaum and HC Ryan to trade draft picks and cash for Tebow must have been made in a bar after a lot of alcohol...


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    Wow ... hope his aim with a scalpel ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Yman on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:06:20 PM EST
    ... and the circumcision of Fillipino boys.

    ... is better than his aim with a football.

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    "wasn't out obviously harming people" (none / 0) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:13:19 PM EST
    Why would that matter to someone with the off-season hobby of slicing and dicing the genitals of young boys?  

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    MileHi (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:32:03 PM EST
    color me slow, but what are you referring to?? If it's circumcision that's a health issue as much as anything else.

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    If circumcision is a health issue (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    I'm wondering why millions of men who have not been subjected to it ever reached adulthood.  And I'm wondering why it isn't mandated by law as all those vaccinations are.  And I'm wondering what credentials Tebow has to perform them.

    So, as to coloring you slow, I think yellow is right color, right?  Taking a cue from traffic lights?  Or do you have another preference?

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    It was a health issue... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 02:23:05 PM EST
    when humans bathed twice a year, maybe.

    I gotta say I'm torn on the issue...I like the sleek look over the serpent with a hoodie (current events pun intended), and I think the majority of ladies in my age bracket do too...but often wonder what kinda sensation I'm missing out on having all those glorious nerve endings taken from me as an infant.

    But no sense crying over lost foreskin...

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    It is a health issue. (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:43:33 PM EST
    According to WHO and CDC studies (mostly in Africa) it lowers the risk for HIV and STD infections.  The biologic plausibility is based on the inner mucosa of the prepuce being less keratinized and more susceptible to infection.  Moreover, the risk of cervical cancers in female partners seems to be reduced, probably related to the papilloma virus susceptibility.  

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    If he's had the same kind of (none / 0) (#37)
    by Anne on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:57:03 PM EST
    medical training as mohels are required to have to perform the Jewish rite of circumcision, I'd say he's got the credentials he needs.

    But does he?  I have no idea.  One would hope so, anyway.

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    That level of medical training is "fine" (none / 0) (#48)
    by sj on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:45:32 PM EST
    if the focus is as a religious rite.  But if it's a "health issue" than, sorry, I don't think it's enough.  

    There are certifications granted for many types of activities related to "health issues".  If this is a "health issue" as a matter of policy and not personal opinion then my question still stands.  

    And if it's only personal opinion, then it's just an opinion like any other opinion and is a grasping-at-straws excuse.

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    A circumcision is a circumcision, (none / 0) (#62)
    by Anne on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:12:15 PM EST
    regardless of the reason for having it done; Tebow's not a doctor, but neither are most mohels.

    I'm really having trouble understanding what it is you're arguing about, or what point you're trying to make.

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    Jim's statement was that (none / 0) (#72)
    by sj on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 01:54:02 AM EST
    "a circumcision was a health issue more than anything else".  My point was if it was health "more than anything else" there would be more oversight.  Because that's the kind of society we are. But it isn't really a health issue.  Again, in our society.  It's a preference.  Religious or otherwise.

    Right now, at this point, it's not a big deal to me.  Earlier today the claim annoyed me a little -- who knows why.  The conversation has come up more than once or twice in my family with the birth of a boy.  Once very recently.

    Actually that's probably really why it annoyed me.  Those conversations can get pretty spirited.  And based on those conversations I'm guessing that my extended family runs about half and half.  

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    Without being too graphic (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:03:45 PM EST
    the problems often start with a tear in the loose skin that becomes infected.

    Children and teens aren't at risk because of the greatly reduced incidence of activities leading to tearing.

    So it really isn't a death risk, but you knew that.

    And I didn't know Tebow had circumcised  anyone, which was my question to MileHi.

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    and oh.... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    color me Red as in Fly Over Country...

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    ..flies-all-over coumtry (none / 0) (#94)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 11:47:49 AM EST


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    The only time it's a health issue ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:38:49 PM EST
    ... is when a male suffers from a tight foreskin, or when the procedure itself is malperformed and an infection develops at the point of incision.

    Other that that, circumcision has no more to do with good health, than does a facelift or eyelid tuck.

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    Can you show me any similar comments (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:28:23 PM EST
    you have made about players crossing themselves, etc., after scoring a touchdown?

    I just wanna make sure you're on a level playing field here.

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    Dadler's referring to Christianistas ... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:43:41 PM EST
    ... in general, not Tim Tebow in particular. You need to stop moving the goalposts, pun intended.

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    I always wonder why (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:07:57 PM EST
    non-believers react so negatively to believers doing something that has zero effect on them.

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    It doesn't have "zero" effect on them. (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Addison on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 12:58:28 AM EST
    Or wait, is it your assertion that evangelical Christianity a spent cultural force in this country? That the voices of these people have no effect. Really? No one else believes that. So, be careful. You'll end up either having been wrong or being wrong here. Do you want you mistake to be in the past or the present? That's your choice now.  


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    Tell us, please (none / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:32:57 AM EST
    What terrible thing does Christianity do to you????

    And what terrible thing would we have in a non-faith based environment?

    Ever read "Lord of the Flies?"

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    Maybe one based on logic and rationality (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:57:55 AM EST
    ... rather than the fearmongering and phobias pushed by so many on the "Christian" Right?

    BTW - You do know that "Lord of the Flies" is fiction, right?  Beyond that. LOTF illustrates what happens when there is a complete breakdown of society without ethics morality, law or a code of conduct - as opposed to a lack of religion, which would be entirely different.


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    You're not even trying (I hope) (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by Addison on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 02:18:20 PM EST
    "Christianity" as an abstract concept doesn't do anything to me.

    Many people who call themselves Christian (and whom others accept as Christian), and act in the name of Christianity (or so they say, I disagree with their self-assessment) create social divisions that don't need to exist and enact bad social policy that harms the community.

    And what terrible thing would we have in a non-faith based environment? Ever read "Lord of the Flies?"

    Scandinavia is far less of a "faith-based" region (believers in "God" being around 33% of the population there -- so majority atheist), and they are doing alright over there. Hardly "Lord of the Flies" material.

    It's "funny" that you use that particular book, that you somehow think it proves your point or that there isn't a simple way to test your allusion. We have more kids getting murdered (per capita) in the United States than pretty much anywhere else, if you want to bring up "Lord of the Flies". More youth suicides, too. Piggy would be more likely to die violently in the "faith-based environment" of America than anywhere in the hellish secular wasteland of Western Europe.

    It's an ongoing question whether you don't know what you're talking about for real, or if this is all just the "performance art" of some bored teenager. You lie repeatedly, and I think the site would be better off without your constant injection of falsehoods -- no one is better of for being misinformed. However, every time you talk I get my point made through an illustration of its opposite's ridiculousness. So, thanks.

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    Strange, since you do it ... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:44:30 AM EST
    I always wonder why non-believers react so negatively to believers doing something that has zero effect on them.

    ... all the time.

    Heh.

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    It's not that (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:21:59 PM EST
    It's just that many of us gawdless heathens find it kneeslappingly hilarious that 'believers' think they have any effect on anyone with any intelligence.

    Do you think Pat Robertson would worship me too, if I threatened to torture him for eternity?

    Or would he just laugh and tell you to worship me while laughing more and telling you to send money to him?

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    I don't know, Edger (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:13:25 PM EST
    I have too busy a life enjoying my friends, children and grandchildren to worry about Pat Robertson and what all the Christian haters are doing to get all upset and sweaty....

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    I know (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:28:15 PM EST
    You're so busy someone else must have posted your comment above, right....

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    Commenting doesn't (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:30:51 AM EST
    mean "worrying."

    But really, why do all the non-believers go off over a football player making a public display of religion that has zero effect on them?

    I bet they're fun to watch when the Popemobile drives down the street!

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    Maybe the same reason ... (5.00 / 0) (#78)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:36:44 AM EST
    ... people scream "Shariah law is coming!", when it has zero effect on them.

    Not sure how those people react to the Popemobile.

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    They yell OMFG!!! (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:17:42 AM EST
    Don't they? ;-)

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    new research shows that born-agains (none / 0) (#68)
    by observed on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:47:46 PM EST
    have smaller hippocampi.
    Heck, what do they need their brains for, anyway?
    It doesn't take a lot of brain cells to memorize John 3:16

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    Cue Ghandi... (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:33:50 AM EST
    "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

    The only truly christian thing I can recall Pat Robertson ever doing is advocating for the repeal of marijuana prohibition.  

    Still p*ssed off he conned my grandmother outta money though;)

    Yes, Kudo for Pat Robertson (none / 0) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:36:02 PM EST
    on his marijuana position. But, Pat does not even qualify for the adage, 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day'.  Perhaps, 'even a broken rectal thermometer stopped at 120 may be right once a millennium'  applies to him.

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    Another great title. You're on a roll! (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:25:28 PM EST


    Word has come down... (5.00 / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:13:16 PM EST
    from NFL headquarters that after a swift yet thorough investigation, Pat Roberston has been suspended for 4 sermons without alms for his christian vodoo bounty on Peyton Manning.

    ;-) lol (none / 0) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:24:39 PM EST


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    If you are wondering (1.00 / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:53:28 AM EST
    why I don't respond to Yman......

    Please remember that on 1/1/12 I stated I would not respond to him because of his personal attacks, his use of the "lie" word, etc.

    I realized that let's him write whatever he wants, accurate or not, and he does.

    Yes, Jim, because so many ... (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:03:44 AM EST
    ... were wondering about that.

    Heh.

    BTW - "Accurate" would be the correct word.

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    So accuracy is your byword now? (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by observed on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:50:23 AM EST
    Great---when do you start?

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:08:35 AM EST
    Tebow already aligned himself with these people when he went to bat for Focus on the Family. That being said, Tebow would be doing himself and a lot of other evangelicals a favor if he detached himself from the creeps like Robertson and Dobson.

    Tebow is These People (none / 0) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:15:14 PM EST
    Who do you think supports Robertson ?  Millions and million of Tebow types.  And while I don't believe Tebow would wish harm on anyone, he's still part of the machine, and hasn't taken one step to distance himself from any of it. .

    Tim Tebow is these people.

    Jets new Logo.

    As I mentioned above... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:48:59 PM EST
    my grandmother sent Robertson money via the 700 club.  She was not a bad person, she was a wonderful person.

    Her sin was being gullible...too trusting.  She sincerely believed sending that grifter a check was helping poor people.  I hold eternal scorn for Pat Robertson for exploiting the charitable nature of others to line his own damn pockets...and if I ever see him I'm getting my grandma's money back and seeing it actually goes to the needy, and not the greedy.

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    So You are Equating Your (none / 0) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 02:43:00 PM EST
    Grannie to Tebow, is that like Maher to Rush ?

    Tim Tebow is not gullible or too trusting in this dialog.  He is a willing participant that could distance himself with one press conference.

    And sorry, but your grannie and other grannie types aren't funding Roberson's crusade by any means.  That's the littlest bit of gravy on top the zillions they rake in from people who know exactly what's if for.  His real funding isn't coming from people who can't afford it or that are gullible and too trusting.

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    I don't know if Tebow sent... (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 02:56:07 PM EST
    the 700 club money, so no I'm not equating him with my grandma.  

    You asked who supports Robertson...I gave you an example of one.  I don't know where the lion's share of Robertson's money comes from...but I wouldn't sneeze at the many grannies and other heart in the right place people taken in by his schtick.  My grandma sure gave more than she could afford too...thousands over the years.  

    I don't think he said as much totally outlandish stupid sh*t back in the 80's...like a lot of old folks, I think his filter is slippin', or he has to up the ante to get attention in a crowded snake oil market.  

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    Robertson's Worth (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:57:08 PM EST
    Robertson's extensive business interests have earned him a net worth estimated between $200 million and $1 billion

    That's not donations, that's his rake, or rather the leftovers from his rake after everything he has spent.

    Grannies who donate thousands over years is what local churches are made of.

    According to Ministry Watch, they pulled in $283,542,000 in 2010.  A recession year.

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    That (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:25:54 PM EST
    is a brilliantly ignorant statement.

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    Hmm. (none / 0) (#9)
    by me only on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:15:35 PM EST
    Last several weeks you have linked Pat Robertson, Erik Ericson, Geraldo, and Pam Geller.  I am reminded of the old joke about one legged men and a butt-kicking contest...

    Color me unimpressed.  After all Google's autocomplete's top pick is Pat Robertson Alzheimer's.

    Radical Cleric (none / 0) (#14)
    by vicndabx on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 12:33:36 PM EST
    heh.

    Okay (none / 0) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 01:44:28 PM EST
    having just watched the video of Robertson, I have to say he didn't wish an injury on Manning. As much as I don't care for Robertson, I found nothing wrong with what he said. (this time)

    The scumbag words were (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:45:57 PM EST
    It would serve Denver right if Manning got hurt.  Some depraved sense of justice and deserved punishment would have been rightfully dealt when that happens in Robertson's tiny little vile world.

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    still a misquote (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:10:44 PM EST
    "Peyton Manning was a tremendous MVP quarterback, but he's been injured. If that injury comes back, Denver will find itself without a quarterback, and in my opinion it would serve them right."

    There's really nothing to have a beef with there. There is nothing there against Manning at all.

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    For you there obviously isn't (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:17:06 PM EST


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    I'd be willing to bet (none / 0) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:20:52 PM EST
    I said a similar thing about the Marlins a dozen times after trades.

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    Is what Robertson said what Jesus would have said? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:29:14 PM EST


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    No idea (none / 0) (#46)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:36:16 PM EST
    never met Jesus. And to be honest, he wouldn't be high on my list of people to meet. If he had played for the Gators (or even Auburn) his stock might move up.

    On a different note from the The Auburn Plainsman yesterday...

    "Toomer's Oaks have recently shown foliage growth that does not exhibit effects of herbicide. While this does not mean the trees will definitely survive, the new growth is encouraging to the community's efforts to save the trees."

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    And as a fellow Christian (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:32:04 PM EST
    Should Tebow also hope for Manning to be broken so that his ego (which he is supposed to be striving to live beyond) can be soothed too?

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    I still haven't heard anyone (none / 0) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:40:22 PM EST
    wishing bad for Manning. I could see maybe the Kansas City Chiefs or the Oakland Raiders wishing ill will on him though.

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    He fleshed it out very well (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 04:20:00 PM EST
    If you read the link I guess

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    Great wording (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 03:41:44 PM EST
    I too want Tim Tebow to learn how to get away from such people.  And he's young, he's got plenty of room at this time to figure it out.  His talent being a tool for the American Taliban is one of my not favorite things.

    Gee, MT (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:15:16 PM EST
    The American Taliban????

    Didn't know any Christian church had taken up, among other things, stoning women accused of infidelity, hanging gays, honor killings and not allowing females to go to school.

    The things I learn on the Internet.

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    Only because its currently against the law (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 07:25:10 PM EST
    And that still matters.  They stoned women in the Bible for it and the craziest Christians are always demanding that the Bible be taken literally as well as the separation of church and state being dissolved.  If the Christian Right had their way we'd be a stones throw away from American Taliban running this show.  Sadly though, we are currently under the rule of Pagan law and until better days arrive they must satisfy themselves with hoping and preaching for the early demise of professional non praying on the field in front of everyone football players........poor babies

    I've sat in the pews, I've heard the preachings.  Some of our Christian ministers are just as inhumane and toxic as Muslim terrorists.  And if a lifetime in prison wasn't a possibility for them and they ran this country, in five minutes this place wouldn't be any better than Afghanistan.

    Parent

    MT and GA (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:07:44 PM EST
    You two folks live in a world that I have never seen in my 74 years.

    And I don't think you have, either.

    You're always putting us on.

    ;-)

    Parent

    You haven't read your bible (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Edger on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 09:47:53 PM EST
    or gotten out much in your 74 years, I suppose...

    Parent
    Snark away, edger (none / 0) (#79)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:38:29 AM EST
    You always add sooooooooo much to the conversation.

    ;-)

    Parent

    What does your bible say (none / 0) (#87)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:15:17 AM EST
    about stoning, Jim?

    Have you ever read it?

    Parent

    Edger.... I know you don't understand (none / 0) (#101)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:30:56 PM EST
    but the Old Testament is not the basis of Christianity. The Old Testament was fulfilled by the birth, life, death and resurrection of Christ.

    Parent
    Wishes. (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Addison on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:38:20 PM EST
    I wish you'd tell that to the evangelicals and fundamentalists pushing Old Testament laws and sentiments as public policy.

    Parent
    I'm too busy telling it to the non believers (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:40:43 PM EST
    who love to believe anything bad they hear.

    Parent
    Sounds like a waste of time to me. (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Addison on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:51:13 PM EST


    Parent
    A man's gotta do (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:06:07 PM EST
    what a man's gotta do.

    Parent
    You should talk to the person making you do this. (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Addison on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:20:33 PM EST


    Parent
    I understand, Jim (5.00 / 0) (#103)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 04:33:18 PM EST
    You're neither a believer nor an atheist, but more of an opportunist.

    The bible is not something for you to read, just something to be used to beat whoever will let you over the head with, and children are easy targets.

    How's that working out for you?

    Parent

    It's for the children? (none / 0) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:43:43 PM EST
    Really Edger?? Now I know that's a favorite of the far Left, and any Demo that wants a tax increase, but beating children over the head with the Bible??

    Wow. And here I am the one who told MT to tell her daughter to find a different church.

    ;-)

    Parent

    We noticed, jim... (5.00 / 0) (#108)
    by Edger on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:45:25 PM EST


    Parent
    Maybe you shouldn't speak (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:07:47 PM EST
    ... for "Christians", Jim.  Some Christians believe the Old Testament is no longer applicable, some believe part of it is applicable, and some believe it is entirely applicable to their faith.

    Parent
    And yet many evangelicals cite (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by DFLer on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:05:22 AM EST
    an OT text as proof that God prohibits homosexuality, isn't that so?

    Parent
    Don't you dare smilie face me (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 10:30:54 PM EST
    About this subject Jim.  I'll be damned if my daughter hasn't alteady quit church.  Guess why?  There was a time during services when you could ask for prayers from others.  My daughter asked for other church members to pray for her brother during this time of halo traction and three surguries.  After services a few members wanted more details, they said their prayers would be stronger if they prayed for more specific things.  Then one woman asked her if her brother was "saved", and no Josh is not saved.  He gets to choose for himself and believe me, this kid has heady discussions about spirituality and what is God if there is one.  He's going to too,  he is intimate with his own mortality at a time when most of us thought we would live forever.  Anyhow two women in the church decided to spend a half an hour discussing with my daughter how her brother was going to hell if he died during this process unless he said the magic voodoo Jesus save me words.

    She didn't want to tell me what happened because she was afraid I'd say, "Told ya so".  It does nothing for me personally though to do that.  When she finally told me a few days ago what happened I was only sorry that once again some crazy "elders" damaged another youthful spirituality with their voodoo dogma at a fragile time when every Christian used to show up with their better Angels.  Much of Christianity has lost its damned mind.  And understand Christians, to have such a small minded, abusive, dismissive,child grinding God is no great prize.  And that POS God they serve, they can have him all to themselves.  I want no part of him.  And eternity with such an asshole can only really be an eternity in a kind of hell.

    Parent

    Churches are made of individuals. (1.00 / 1) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:47:14 AM EST
    Tell your daughter to find another church if she doesn't like the teachings of the one she is attending or the actions of some of the members.

    That will be more productive than ranting that the Taliban is the moral equivalent of Christians.

    And more more accurate.

    It will also allow your comments to be taken seriously.

    ;-)

    Parent

    I think after that very common display (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:48:09 AM EST
    Of Christianity my daughter is done with them.  They went out of their way in the very beginning to find a church that wasn't crazy.  Nope, sorry, still sort of crazy.  They avoided many other churches in the area far crazier


    Parent
    That is (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 11:15:52 AM EST
    unfortunate and it's the reason that so many people her age don't bother with going to church.

    At my church if she had asked us to pray for her brother we would have and never would have asked about him being "saved" as we aren't big on that "born again" crap. I think the whole "born again" thing is bunch of hooey designed and used by some Christians to make themselves feel like they are somehow better than other Christians.

    Either you're a Christian or you're not and I don't think you have to be "born again" to be one. Also many "born agains" seem to think that it allows them to be rude and condescending to everyone in they come into contact again. They seem to think that it makes them "bullet proof" so to speak.

    Parent

    So you are back to attacking the area?? (1.00 / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:17:30 PM EST
    Okay, as we use to say when I was in....

    "The only good posts are the prevuious one and the next one."


    Parent

    Telling (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 11:21:38 AM EST
    somebody to "find another church" is just a condescending slap on people who are desperately looking for something in their life. If this is the only church this child has been to and the only experience that she has with religion you have to realize that it is an incredibly stupid statement. Someone who has had this kind of experience is more likely to just quit trying than try to find another church.

    Parent
    Say what???? (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:22:55 PM EST
    It is condescending to tell someone to find another church when they have major problems with the one they are currently attending??

    What would you do? Tell her to just keep on listening??? I mean, speaking of stupid advice and stuff.

    ;-)

    BTW - MT was writing about her daughter who, I believe, is married (or has been) and has a child.

    Parent

    Don't you (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:39:35 PM EST
    think a little Christian compassion for someone who is worried about their little brother and his medical issues is in order here?

    What you don't seem to understand is that these evangelical idiots have probably turned her off for life.

    Parent

    Please quit making things up (1.00 / 0) (#109)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 05:48:48 PM EST
    One More Time.

    And Please Try To Understand.

    I am the one who advised her to find a different church based on the things they were saying to her.

    Do you think I said that because I agreed with what was being said???????????

    Parent

    Acutally (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:52:35 AM EST
    I don't think you understand the scope of damage the evangelicals have done to Christianity in general as you tend to defend them. Some one like Tracy's daughter is not "going to find another church". She is just going to think that this is how all Christians are and not participate any more. It's the way you said it Jim.

    Parent
    Ga, what is your point in this? (none / 0) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:56:23 AM EST
    Do you feel the need to whip on someone about something that has no connection to his advice because you disagree with him 100% of the time on other subjects?

    Obviously you do.

    One. More. Time.

    It is not my place to lecture MT in great detail about what she should tell her daughter. My advice was, is and will be, very simple.

    If you do not like the church you attend find another.

    And I really don't know any other way to say it.

    As for the lecture about the evangelicals damaging "Christianity" that is something called your "opinion" and you have the right to it but I don't think it has any particularly validity.

    Christianity has survived far greater movements.

    The evangelicals are growing and the main stream churches are declining for a simple reason. The "message" being brought to the congregation relates to what they see in their world.

    Think about that. They aren't attending because what is being preached does not relate to the world they "see." What they are hearing every Sunday relates to the world they see. When that changes they will fade away.

    Parent

    Could you be a little more vague? (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by observed on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:09:42 AM EST
    I had a very slight understanding of your last two paragraphs. Probably it was a mistake on your part.  Please try again.


    Parent
    I thought it was pretty clear (5.00 / 0) (#117)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:31:44 AM EST
    Had something to do with "seeing things" and looking for people to tell them the things they're hallucinating are real? ;-)

    Parent
    Well, Jimmy doesn't want to talk (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by observed on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:52:45 AM EST
    about what is actually preached in evangelical churches, for obvious reasons.

    Parent
    Well, he's got a big guy in the sky (5.00 / 0) (#119)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:59:59 AM EST
    who always needs money...

    Parent
    Jesus Camp (none / 0) (#121)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:11:12 AM EST
    for kids...

    (have a barf bag handy when you watch this)

    Parent

    observed (none / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:16:50 PM EST
    One of the things that is kinda asked of us around here is to not play games with people's monikers.

    Mine is jimakappj.

    Yours is observed.

    Thank you.

    Parent

    Church attendance is declining in America. (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:27:43 AM EST
    Part of the reason for that is because people are sick and tired of being preached at, preached to, and told how to live their lives by a bunch of hypocrites.  You and your fellow fundamentals may be getting more fundamental, but the fact remains that more and more people are being turned off by  religious institutions for legitimate reasons.  MT's daughter's experience is a perfect example - she went to the church to find some comfort yet all she got was gossipy reactions and hell and damnation speeches from so-called Christians.  What part of that do you not get???

    Parent
    The evangelical churches are .... (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 12:28:28 PM EST
    ... growing because conservatives want to escape the real world and create their own echo chamber where everyone reflects their views.

    ... much like they did with talk radio.

    Parent

    Jim, your last paragraph sort of says it all. (none / 0) (#122)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:50:29 AM EST
    Simply, you and the other fundamentals are looking for validation of what you see and how you see the world.  Let me ask  you this:  Why do you need that validation?  If you are so fervent in what you believe then why can't you just go about your daily life without having to have someone preach to you every Sunday?  Or are you really just trying to take the easy way out and have someone else tell you what you're supposed to believe.  I don't get it.  

    Parent
    Ah yes, this old fundamentalist (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:12:02 PM EST
    you know... the one who believes in gay marriage... single payer health care... reforming the drug laws....

    Angel, you are the perfect example of the "Shoot, Ready, Aim" mentality.

    Shall we revisit this??? It started when MT complained that her daughter had complained that people had responded inappropriately to her in church.

    And what did this old radical rightie do??? (Satire is noted for those who haven't been following what I have written for the past 9 years.)

    Why I said she should find another church.

    Wow and golly. But then GA weighed in with a bunch of made up claims which I thought I answered here:

    As for the lecture about the evangelicals damaging "Christianity" that is something called your "opinion" and you have the right to it but I don't think it has any particularly validity.

    Christianity has survived far greater movements.

    I don't think this is the place for a history lesson, and heaven knows I'm not the one to give it, but you might study what happened in the near aftermath of Luther's rebellion and The Reformation to get a feeling about movements and how they effected Christianity. And how Christianity survived them.

    The evangelicals are growing and the main stream churches are declining for a simple reason. The "message" being brought to the congregation relates to what they see in their world.

    I thought this was basic, but let me expand. Most people do not go to concerts they do not enjoy. They do not listen to radio or watch TV they do not enjoy. And they do not listen to a preacher laud social issues they think are wrong and disagree with.

    Does this make them right? No. But it is their Right.

    Think about that. They aren't attending because what is being preached does not relate to the world they "see." What they are hearing every Sunday relates to the world they see. When that changes they will fade away.

    Now, let's explore "see." Perception is reality. And what they see is a culture that is moving away from what they want. A economic system which is not functioning in the way they were taught it should. And a government that is getting deeper and deeper into their personal lives.

    How do I know this? Because I was born, raised and live among them. Their faults may be many but their goodness is legion. They are just the other side of the same coin.

    You may now return to the task of shooting the messenger.


    Parent

    What is the point of your game? (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by observed on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:24:01 PM EST
    You are dodging the issue, which is what do fundamentalist churches actually preach.
    If a naive person were to read your last comment, they would think the gay marriage and socialized medicine are supported by such preachers.
    Yeah, right.

    Parent
    Jim: "And they do not listen to a preacher (none / 0) (#127)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:32:38 PM EST
    laud social issues they think are wrong and disagree with."

    So that's it.  You go for the validation.  I'm just asking why?  One or two sentences could explain it, don't need an essay.  Thanks.

    Parent

    It's a very strange idea of what (5.00 / 0) (#128)
    by observed on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:36:25 PM EST
    a preacher's role is, don't you think?
    And it makes the church-goer some kind of consumerist, rather than someone who actually cares about "salvation".


    Parent
    Yeah, who knew we were supposed to go to (none / 0) (#129)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:41:26 PM EST
    church for an economics lesson?

    Parent
    Oh please (none / 0) (#131)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:07:50 PM EST
    You understood the point. Now you are just dithering.

    Parent
    Keep digging. (none / 0) (#133)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:10:45 PM EST


    Parent
    You know, despite the fact that I pointed out that (none / 0) (#134)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:12:04 PM EST
    I am not a conservative you keep on picking away.

    You don't want to discuss, you just want to snark.

    Have a nice day and let's not waste anymore of TL's bandwidth.

    Parent

    Not the point. (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by observed on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:53:10 PM EST
    YOUR beliefs are not at issue. It's how you are misrepresenting what happens in fundamentalist churches.
    I REALLY couldn't care less about your beliefs, given what I've observed of how new facts influence your positions.

    Parent
    And based on (none / 0) (#139)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 10:25:42 AM EST
    your desire to just attack and make things up in order to attack someone....

    I REALLY don't care what you think.

    Parent

    "Not a conservative" - heh (none / 0) (#136)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:01:18 PM EST
    Name 3 Democrats you voted for in the last 25 years ...

    ... or two ...

    ... or one ....

    Heh.

    Parent

    The point is that no one volunteers to listen (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:06:46 PM EST
    to something they do not agree with or dislike.

    That's why they listen.

    Or is your question why they are not pleased with the world as they see it??

    Now that would take an essay.

    Parent

    Wrong. I've listened to Rush Limbaugh and other (none / 0) (#132)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 04:09:24 PM EST
    freaks like him.  And I listened because I wanted to be informed about what they were saying and make my own mind up about the despicable people they are.

    Parent
    Perhaps you should read what I wrote (none / 0) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:14:03 PM EST
    Most people do not......


    Parent
    Jim, here it is in black and white: (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Angel on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:26:59 PM EST
    "the point is that no one volunteers to listen..."

    Don't see the word most in there at all.  You said "no one."

    Parent

    Yes and in my (1.00 / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 10:31:18 AM EST
    comment #124 I said "most."

    You know, I believe you understood the point which was simple.....

    MOST people don't watch/listen/read/eat/drink or rub on things they don't like.

    Now, why all the straining? What are you trying to accomplish? Is it impossible for you to understand that some people attend churches that say things that that they believe to be true.... even though you disagree with them?? And if you do, do you accept the fact that they have that right?

    My conclusion? You just want to argue.

    Parent

    No, the point is that you talk only in (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by observed on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 12:39:13 PM EST
    very vague terms about what is preached in fundamentalist terms, while at the same time fervently denying that what they preach is in any way hateful. You are simply afraid of honest discussion.

    Parent
    Say what??? (1.00 / 0) (#143)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 05:50:01 PM EST
    My comments were general because I was pointing out WHY people set and listen. As I wrote, most people do so because they like what they hear and what they hear agrees with their world view.

    Is what they preach hateful?? In what way would that be?

    If you have an actual sermon from an actual church let's see it.

    I mean we had Rev Wright cursing America and we know Obama sat listening to him for 20 years....yet we were told Obama was not influenced by that.

    Tell you what. Give me Obama being influenced and I'll give you your point when you produce an actual sermon from an actual church.

    Parent

    You really make it ... (5.00 / 0) (#146)
    by Yman on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 07:43:33 PM EST
    ... to easy, Jim:

    Pastor Steve Anderson prays for Obama to die.

    Pasot Bill Ledbetter delivering a devotional to the Oklahoma House of Reps, blaming 9/11 on America abandoning God by (among other things) teaching evolution - calls Hurricane Katrina an "Act of God", too.

    How about a trifecta - 3 fundamentalist Christian pastors promoting and defending a "Kill the Gays" law in Uganda, which would make homosexuality punishable by death.

    Need a few more?

    It's really easy to come up with examples.

    ;)

    Parent

    Jim (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 01:58:47 PM EST
    my opinion is backed up by facts---fact that 50% of people under the age of 30 have never been in a church.

    The evangelical churches are growing in the south but declining everywhere else. The trend started in California in the 50's with the Crystal Cathedral which has now gone bankrupt and many younger evangelicals are leaving the evangelical movement because they are sick of being told how to vote and the general involvement in politics of the movement. Tracy's daughter is typical of many people her age who see nothing but hatred coming out of these churches.  

    Parent

    GA (none / 0) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 05:54:55 PM EST
    I said that the mainlines were losing while the Evangelicals are growing. If you have any proof that is incorrect, please see it.

    And. One. More. Time.

    I told MT to tell her daughter to find another church. Why? Because she had problems with the one she was attending.

    For the life of me I can't see how that was such a controversial piece of advice.

    Parent

    please let me see it (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 05:55:21 PM EST


    Parent
    Sure you did (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:24:42 AM EST
    Didn't know any Christian church had taken up, among other things, stoning women accused of infidelity, hanging gays, honor killings and not allowing females to go to school.

    I even gave you links ... but then you just claim they're "not Christians" (according to Jim) and ignore the obvious.  I'm sure there are many Muslims who who say that the practices you list are "not Muslim", but you would deny that.  Sorry, Jim ...

    ... much as you try, you can't have it both ways.

    Parent

    You've (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 05:52:42 PM EST
    got to realize that their views are the closest ones to the Taliban in America. No, they aren't stoning women but they sure are mandating that they have things forced into their body against their will are they not? Don't you think that's a law that the Taliban would be very happy about? The Taliban is against birth control just like many of your fellow travelers in the conservative movement.

    There's a reason why the GOP has a net -20% approval rating across the country.

    Parent

    They'd stone us if they could get away with it (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 07:31:01 PM EST
    Especially some big mouth, evil, I like my orgasms too slut like me.  I'd be one of the first.  They might burn me instead though.  They would want to really hear me screaming in order to obtain the fullest satisfaction and also to stop any of these other women about to get uppity on them dead in their tracks.

    Parent
    Many ARE in favor of executing gays, (none / 0) (#69)
    by observed on Fri Mar 23, 2012 at 11:48:59 PM EST
    as you well know.

    Parent
    Many are in favor of what? (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:49:18 AM EST

    Observed, let me know when the government starts backing them.

    Parent
    If the Christian Right had ... (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:01:08 AM EST
    ... their way, the government would be backing them.  Try as they might, they just can't manage a government takeover and installation of a theocracy.

    Parent
    This is a football post, so (5.00 / 0) (#90)
    by observed on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 10:48:51 AM EST
    it's especially true that you can't move the goalposts, Jimmmy.

    Parent
    Gee, Observedly, I thought we were (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 03:14:46 PM EST
    discussing religion and football....

    I mean being accurate and all.

    ;-)

    Parent

    If you can;t disagree (none / 0) (#70)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 12:29:42 AM EST
    civilly then do not comment.

    I deleted a comment that chose to insult me personally.

    If can't avoid that, then don't comment.

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