Tuesday Open Thread

Welcome, Spring.

Brooke Mueller, Charlie Sheen's ex-wife, got a deferred judgment deal yesterday to felony possession of less than 4 grams of cocaine in Aspen. She'll be on supervised probation for three years.

[Judge Gail] Nichols asked her what would happen if she runs afoul of the law again during her deferred sentence.

“Ohhh, I’m in big trouble,” Mueller said.

Anyone see Michelle Obama on Letterman last night? [More...]

The Broncos and Peyton Manning will hold a press conference at 1pm MT.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Ah Springtime... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:17:47 AM EST
    The amount of bandwidth the eagle cam consumes (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:29:51 AM EST
    has to be second to Netflix usage for my family.

    And speaking of Iowa, I'm about to legally emigrate from there. My wife has taken a new job in the land o' lakes to the north, I was able to relocate within mine, and we've sold the farm to live in the Twin Cities.

    No more watching the wildlife over coffee - at least, not the same kinds of wildlife - but I am looking forward to signing up with the DFL. And much fishing, I hope.


    Wow! (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by sj on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:36:14 AM EST
    Major changes!  I wish you good luck, fun and contentment in your new environment.

    Thanks! (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:56:38 AM EST
    As Minnesota has been a lifelong fishing/camping destination for me, I'm telling myself that I'm not so much moving as going on an endless vacation. If I can get signal on the laptop while by a lake, however, that could be true...

    Congratulations (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:03:41 PM EST
    and best of luck with the move and all!  Will you be changing your username now from "Farmboy" to "Twincitiesboy"?    ;-)

    Thanks! As the saying goes, you can take (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:43:20 PM EST
    the boy off the farm, but, well, living in the Cities won't make me urban any more than sleeping in the garage will make me a Ford. I'll still be a farm boy at heart.

    Salt of the earth. (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:51:52 PM EST
    LOL! (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 03:04:22 PM EST
    I sort of thought you would say that!

    Congrats(?)... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:42:48 AM EST
    and good luck!  Do you know what area of town you'll be residing in?  Hopefully not Bachmann's district!

    Stay away from the lutefisk and you should be fine up there.  For being filled with squareheads and Gopher fans, its not a bad place.

    Have some walleye for me!


    We're going to rent in St. Paul for a while (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:02:11 PM EST
    and take our time finding a new home.

    I agree that it's not such a bad place, scandahoovians included. The accent puts me in mind of Fargo, and I actually like lefse (warm, with butter and sugar - good stuff).

    Plus, everyday another thought hits me, like "Hey! Al Franken will be my senator! Beans of coolness!"


    Maybe you'll meet Garrison Keillor. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:12:23 PM EST
    From which part of Iowa are you moving? (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:34:01 PM EST
    Hard to sell farm?  

    It's more farm in name than deed anymore (5.00 / 6) (#32)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:39:12 PM EST
    What we're selling is about twenty acres of land about ten miles southeast of Des Moines. It's all that is left of my family's property; about half of it timber with two creeks and a pond, plus a three acre vineyard. And a two-story house, of course.

    There was a lot of interest in the place as soon as it hit the market, and the offer we've accepted is for what we thought it should be worth. I've talked to the buyers, and they're exactly the sort of folks I wanted to have the place: thirtysomethings raising a family with a desire to put down some roots. Decades from now their kids will have their own stories to tell about growing up in the country, just like my siblings and I do.

    I think a lot about the being the last member of my family to live there, but my Dad used to tell me that God just gave us the land to look after, not to keep.


    Good attitude. Good friend in SE Iowa (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:51:13 PM EST
    really lamented the selling at auction of similar land there.  Her part of the family managed to buy part of it at auction.  

    My male sibling... (none / 0) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:44:25 PM EST
    ...an ISU grad, has always stayed around the St. Paul area since he's been up there.  Lilydale--along the river now.  

    Lucky for him he hasn't picked up the accent or it would be one more thing to tease him about.  


    Welcome to the Land O lakes (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by DFLer on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:05:10 PM EST
    and the DFL. Yeah!

    I've wanted to be in the DFL since (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Farmboy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:00:19 PM EST
    voting for Humphrey in 68.

    Okay, it was a second grade mock election, but I always thought Democratic Farmer Labor sounded neater than just being a Democrat - to the point of getting told by the teacher to stop putting "DFL" after my last name when I turned in homework.


    love the party name too FB (none / 0) (#95)
    by DFLer on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 07:59:46 PM EST
    and the history of the coalition.

    today's version of (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:46:36 PM EST
    kicking people while they are down:

    "on July 1, as many as 8 million college students will see their interest rates on federally subsidized student loans double, from 3.4% to 6.8%"

    Don't worry though, 6.8% is still lower than a credit card.  At least that's the upside this article tries to sell.  Times are hard, sacrifices must be made.  Not surprisingly, this has turned into a partison battle.

    This does slightly obscure what I consider the real issues with student loan debt - #1 the sheer cost of it all, entering young adulthood with a massive hole is not good for anyone, certainly not the economy at large, #2 the bancruptcy exclusion.  

    Happy Belated (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:29:16 PM EST
    Evacuation Day.  Every year on March 17th, the city of Boston gets the day off of school (or the monday after) to celebrate the day that the British left Boston for Nova Scotia.  It was a very significant event as it was Washington's first major victory as general of the continental army.

    Cynics might suggest that someone went back in history looking for a significant event, any event, that took place on March 17th in order to give a (at the time) predominantly Irish city the day off.  Those cynics might point to the fact that I've had evacuation day off for most of my life but I had to wiki what it was in order to give you all that brief recap.  I do think the British evacuating a place is the perfect excuse to celebrate an Irish holiday.  It's also the one day a year when it paid to be a city kid over a suburbonite (they always seemed to get more snow days than us).

    Isn't there an April 19th Patriots Day too? (none / 0) (#52)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:46:50 PM EST
    Patriot's Day (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:56:00 PM EST
    is celebrated on the 3rd Monday in April in Boston (April 16 this year). It's also the day of the Boston Marathon, and a day for morning baseball at Fenway when the first pitch is traditionally tossed at 11:05am.

    go figure (none / 0) (#54)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:56:06 PM EST
    I think I assumed that was a national one.  We use to have "bunker hill day" too but I think they got rid of it.  Oh, the American revolution, a never-ending excuse for holidays in Massachusetts.

    This one is particularly obscure though, and the coincidence of it occurring on St. Patrick's day too obvious.  For what it's worth, I actually know what Patriot's Day (the battle of lexington and concord) and bunker hill day (the battle of bunker hill - but not really - it was another hill... that's a bit more complicated) are about.  I had to look up evacuation day.  Also Patriots Day takes place during april vacation week, and is better known as marathon monday, so that one didn't register as much during the school years.


    ...the 19th of April in '75, etc. etc. (none / 0) (#58)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:34:16 PM EST
    Casimir Pulaski Day is celebrated in (none / 0) (#63)
    by caseyOR on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:14:53 PM EST
    Illinois on the first Monday in March. It honors the Polish military man, Pulaski, who served with George Washington and the Continental Army. Yes, kids do get off from school. And, yes, there  are many many people of Polish descent in Illinois. I believe that Warsaw, Poland is the only city in the world with a larger Polish population than the Windy City.

    Illinois also still celebrates Lincoln's Birthday (Feb. 12) as well as the federally recognized President's day.


    Music moment.... (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by ZtoA on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 10:09:44 PM EST
    I've been working a lot these days and I listen to the radio while I work. Usually. Today was just so heartbreaking - murders, killings, murders and more murders. I must admit to a bit of anxiety listening to it.

    So, apparently, listening to sad music is a comfort. A young woman (think she is 16 but might be younger in the video) covers the beautiful song by Bon Iver - 'Skinny Love' here. Sorry about the ad. I hate those. She will be a singer to follow. I can't tell for sure, but it almost looks like she still has braces on her teeth. I also like 'The Tallest Man on Earth's cover of Graceland. He's actually not very tall. This one sounds like banjo to me. Love banjo. Here's a live cover from a venue called Paste.  I like Tallest Man, and love what he does with Graceland. Not usually a fan of Paul Simon or the original Graceland.

    re Spring. Anyone tried planting Lily of (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 10:33:07 AM EST
    the Valley in Sunset Zone 22?  I am about to.  

    Couldn't you (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:10:55 AM EST
    have just stuck with the more common USDA zones? I'm guessing you're about an 8b which could be pressing your luck.

    Now you'll have me studying Sunset Climate Zones. Thanks for tripling my work.


    See paragraph 2. (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:16:56 AM EST
    Like I said (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:34:50 AM EST
    make me work. Next thing you know batting average and slugging percentage won't be good enough for you. You'll be looking for swing hot zones and the effect of altitude on sinkerballs at Coors.

    On a serious note... Study using the complete scientific name of the variety you are interested in, as select cultivars might be better suited to different zones.


    I already have the Lilly bulbs. First I've (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:11:12 PM EST
    seen here.  Probably risky but only cost me about 45.

    Here's a new to me stat.:  

    TA--Total average: total bases, plus walks, plus hit by pitch, plus steals, minus caught stealing divided by at bats, minus hits, plus caught stealing, plus grounded into double plays

    I checked out parameters of (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by sj on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:34:28 AM EST
    Sunset Zone 22.  It is a little more gentle in the winter than where I grew up and we had lily of the valley come up every year in the most shady and overgrown section of the property.  It was a wonderful surprise.  Anyway, I think it will do fine.  And I'm always surprised that it's poisonous.

    On two other notes:

    1.  Did you get a nice branch of your Chinese Lantern perserved?  
    2.  Not sure if Jeralyn shared my email address with you regarding the Stacy Shiff bio of Cleopatra (and frankly I didn't follow up because I got distracted by job search) but if it's still available, I am still interested.

    Re "Cleopatra,' I still have it and (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 11:58:34 AM EST
    will mail it to you once I have your address.  Nothing from J.  I'm thinking kdog, who lists his e-mail, could be our intermediary.  I'll ask him.  

    Re Chinese Lantern plant:  it is finally flourishing. I haven't tried preserving branch/lanterns yet.  


    Thanks! (none / 0) (#17)
    by sj on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:24:18 PM EST
    And potential thank you to kdog :)  And I'll be very interested to hear about your Chinese Lanterns.

    Anything for my pals... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:03:14 PM EST
    and the TL Book Sharing Club...just make the subject line obvious so I don't give y'all the spam treatment;)

    Thanks and will do (none / 0) (#24)
    by sj on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:12:17 PM EST
    Can't send email from work so I'll send tonight.  Thank you very much.

    Sent off the email (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by sj on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:50:09 AM EST
    Thanks again

    Brought 'Cleopatra: A Life' with me (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:47:38 PM EST
    finishing another book, so probably won't start it for a few days.

    I'm really looking forward to reading it (none / 0) (#66)
    by sj on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:51:05 AM EST
    She has always fascinated me... two thousand years later and she still has magic.

    Some of my friends didn't (none / 0) (#67)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 01:09:15 AM EST
    make it to the end. Too many cites to historians of old. I enjoyed reading it. Then I listened to Shakespeare's version.  

    I had bought the book from an earlier conversation (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 07:54:58 AM EST
    with you, but didn't have it long.  My daughter stole it when she was over shortly after it arrived.  I don't care if she takes anything from the bookcase.  When I was in the process of acquiring it she told me that I already had that book.  Okay, but I didn't read it and it hadn't been at my house long enough to be dusted and I'm getting old or at least older.

    So much for "tax the rich" (none / 0) (#19)
    by diogenes on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:56:37 PM EST
    "A bill designed to enact President Barack Obama's plan for a "Buffett rule" tax on people earning more than $1 million a year would rake in just $31 billion over the next 11 years, according to an estimate by Congress' official tax analysts obtained by The Associated Press. That would be a drop in the bucket of the over $7 trillion in federal budget deficits projected during that period."

    so much? (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:59:43 PM EST
    from the article I just linked above yours:

    "Like many things in Washington this election year, the issue has become a partisan battle. President Obama and other Democrats have urged Congress to act to extend the low rate (Democrat Representative Joe Courtney of Connecticut has introduced legislation that would stop the rate hike), while Republicans favor allowing the rate to return to 6.8%. Even the cost estimates vary: Democrats predict that keeping the rate at 3.4% for one additional year would cost about $3 billion, while Republicans say it would cost nearly $7 billion."

    Hmm, what do we think is more worthwhile, $7 billion for lower interest rates on student loans, or $31 billion for lower taxes for Warren Buffett.  Apparently broke college kids have to make "sacrifices" but billionaires don't.


    After reading Taibbi's latest... (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:06:39 PM EST
    on Bank of America, I think the best thing we can do for the national debt and deficits, and the nation at large, is let that organized crime mother superior of welfare outfit go bankrupt...then things can start getting better.

    Let them fail so we can succeed.


    That was horrible (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:05:39 PM EST
    I read the whole thing out loud to my husband, we seldom get so much time together to go over something like that. Some of it I knew, I'm less familiar with their attempted rigging of the LIBOR though and knew nothing about their Muni bid rigging.  Always did figure they were on a steady stream of backdoor Fed bailout, didn't know what it was officially called though.  How does our President figure that another larger collapse isn't coming?  And what happens then?

    37 billion in wage compensation to employees, zero taxes paid....got a 1 billion rebate magically?


    Seriously... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:28:00 AM EST
    as a guy who always assumes the worst when it comes to our banking system, even I was taken aback at the depths of dirty over at BofA.

    Leeching off unemployment benefits...no f*ckin' shame.  And the government keeps doublin' down on the public assistance to Public Enemy #1.  

    Hell or high water BofA must be put out of business.  Everybody doing business with BofA is supporting economic terrorism imo.  Just as bad or worse for our country as sending your mortgage payment to Al Qaeda.


    great article (none / 0) (#96)
    by DFLer on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 08:03:32 PM EST
    tho I think his subtitle should have been:

    Too Crooked To Fail - Too Big To Jail


    That's $31 Billion... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:40:08 PM EST
    ...less they have to use to buy legislation.  It's also $31B more then the rest of us have.  Seems like th3e perfect argument to tax them, it's a drop in the bucket...  Maybe we should double it to 2 drops in the bucket.  

    I love from their end, it will kill the economy, cost us a zillion jobs, the world will end if you tax us rich folks, and then in the same breather it's just about nothing, it won't make any difference.

    If it's such a drop in the bucket, why are they fighting it tooth and nail.  If it's such a drop in the bucket then when we use it to feed, cloth, and house the poor the right will shut their pie holes ?

    It's not a drop in the bucket.  
    It's a start.


    Guess (none / 0) (#64)
    by Amiss on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:49:02 AM EST
    every little bit helps.

    Earthquake in Mexico (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:30:50 PM EST
    First reports said 7.9 near Mexico City, now hearing 7.6 in Acapulco.

    More on earthquake (none / 0) (#28)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:34:13 PM EST
    From msnbc:

    A 7.6 magnitude quake has struck near Acapulco, Mexico, on Tuesday, the United States Geological Survey reported.

    The earthquake was felt strongly in Mexico City, according to a Reuters witness.

    Mexico's National Seismological Survey said the temblor had an epicenter southwest of Ometepec. The quake was located 120 miles east of Acapulco.

    A person at Acapulco City Hall told NBC News that they felt the quake but had no reports of injuries or damages yet.

    It was six miles (10 kilometers) underground.

    Hope no major damage or loss of life.


    If You Like Eminem... (none / 0) (#26)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:31:01 PM EST
    ...you will love this Video.

    Will the Real Mitt Romney Please Stand Up

    My dog is on the roof, my dog is on the roof...

    Political angle to Peyton Manning being a Bronco (none / 0) (#31)
    by magster on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 02:26:56 PM EST
    I've heard lots of texts read out on Denver sports talk radio saying that Elway is going to have to answer to God for dis'sing Tebow and some such nonsense.

    Elway is often thrown out as a wildcard Republican political candidate in polls for Senate and Governor races. Well, Elway has alienated the zealots. Unless Peyton heals the wounds with Super Bowl wins, Elway's political career might be over before it begins.

    (Sniff! Whimper!) Poor Tebow. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:36:50 PM EST
    At least his last play at Denver's Invesco Field -- that stunning 80-yard TD pass-and-run to WR Demaryius Thomas on the first play of OT in last year's opening round playoff game against the heavily-favored Steelers -- will stand as an all-time Bronco classic. Peyton Manning can't take that away from him.

    Funny sh*t.... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 03:04:12 PM EST
    I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my Tebow!!!

    It's Crazy (none / 0) (#40)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:00:04 PM EST
    Considering most of his devout followers don't know or care a thing about football, many of whom don't even live in Colorado.  They will following anything someone slaps a jesus sticker on and do it with unquestionable loyalty.

    Tebow will play somewhere and they will have there modern day NFL messiah.


    "Tebow will play somewhere" (none / 0) (#41)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:21:51 PM EST
    "and they will have there modern day NFL messiah"

    For this reason alone I almost want him to come to New England.  We just don't love jesus that much.  For those that don't want to click, the top 4 "least religious" states are all in New England.  So come on down Tebow, we promise to judge you solely based on your football prowess and ability to heed the Belicheck/Brady way.  Just please don't bring those horrific focus on the family commercials.


    If I were Elway I wouldnt (none / 0) (#47)
    by brodie on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:25:26 PM EST
    let Tebow go to the Pats and Bellachick unless they pay a very high premium in quality players and high draft picks, the sort of deal that's hard to refuse.

    Because if there's one coach out there who could resurrect Touchdown Jesus' career and turn him into the second coming of Steve Young, taking over eventually for Montana/Brady and leading the team to another SB title, it's Bellachick.

    Elway surely would not want to risk further enriching another AFC team that already is poised to keep the Broncos out of the SB.

    Better to send Timmy away to a lesser AFC team or to anyone in the NFC.  And I think Elway will get quite a few offers.


    In order for that scenario to play out (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:33:30 PM EST
    Belicheck would have to let him play QB.  Which isn't happening anytime soon.  I could easily see him turning him into another Gronkowski though.  Which would be awesome.

    Belicheck is big on putting players in wherever they can play, and is big on versatile players.  If Tebow came in willing to give up the QB role I think he could do awesome things here.

    Yes, this is me drooling at the prospect.  The more I think about it the more I want it to happen.  That doesn't mean it will.  But we also got Josh McDaniels back who is the person that brought Tebow to the Broncos to begin with.


    So funny, you could not make this stuff up (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 03:19:57 PM EST
    Ex football hero's dreams of becoming a crony politician dashed by his dissing of young Christian current football hero/probable future pol.

    Revised (none / 0) (#39)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 03:56:36 PM EST
    Ex football hero's dreams of becoming a crony politician dashed by his dissing of young marginal Christian current football hero/probable future pol, for the Payton Manning.

    The 90M smackeroos is what should have his political ambitions quashed.

    Wouldn't it be hilarious if Manning was like that guy from the Steelers and ended up suffering debilitating altitude sickness and could only play away games...  Tebow at home.


    They upped it (none / 0) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 04:27:39 PM EST
    to $96 million.

    My question...If the Broncos don't advance at least to the AFC Championship game next season, is Elway's Manning experiment a $96 million failure?


    What do you think? (none / 0) (#44)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:03:40 PM EST
    The talk, speculation, surmise, and general gab has been all over the place.  As you might guess, lots of angles...and, some good sports columns.  Woody Paige's last two seem quite to the point that it is a fascinating gamble. A big gamble in many ways...which, like it or not, is a characteristic of John Elway.

    My view: I'm moving to the phase of enjoying the show.  I like Tebow, a lot...for the reason that he is different, tries different things, scrambles, is surprisingly good in the clutch, and does seem to have room & years for growth, development. Plus: He seems like a genuine asset for our community.  But, I am a Broncos fan from the days of childhood & Tripucka (when my dad would come home from games muttering/cursing about old Frank T.) Ironic, now, that the No. 18 may be "unretired" for Manning.  As for Peyton Manning: What is not to like!  

    As they say here, we are trading "manias."  Would that we could have them both in that perfect world. So...... Denver will either go the distance next year or not. Though it is a bit early & the team hasn't suited up yet (& all that), the expectation of many will be that the $96M buys something.  Hanging over it all, of course, is the real ramification of the surgeries, the neck. Paige raised this question in print; everyone is saying it anyway. Will Manning be the same Manning?  At this point, ya gotta hope so if you are a Denver fan.  Big surgeries leave all kinds of wounds for longer time than we always guess.  But, as Paige also suggests, John Elway & his busted shoulder before his Superbowl win can empathize, etc.  If all turns out well, then John Elway will have a repeat of the glory days when he is carried through town with huzzahs!


    Well, as several sportswiters (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 06:40:46 PM EST
    have pointed out, even 80% of Peyton Manning is still a really, really good quarterback.  But he's only going to last, what?  Two or three years at the most.  Elway will need a young quarterback with potential to train for when Manning retires.  Will it be Tebow, or will it be someone they draft?  I'm thinking that they trade Tebow, and go looking for another backup quarterback.  But we'll see.

    Agree that a secondary (but very important) (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by christinep on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:37:16 PM EST
    question concerns the identity of the backup QB.  As a cousin of mine saide earlier today: "You guys will have lots to talk about this season...think of the fun."

    Josh will have his neck fused in this process (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:29:05 PM EST
    It blows his surgeon away that we have now come to point on neck fusing where someone can still garner so many millions playing professional football after a fusion.

    As a Gator (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by CoralGables on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 08:01:44 PM EST
    I've never been a Peyton fan. Although I enjoyed the fun around the Broncos last season, now I'll likely resort back to baseball, gator football, and laughing at the futility of the local Dolphins.

    It's the AFC West (none / 0) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:39:41 AM EST
    Come on, Tebow took the division.

    If Manning is on the field there is no way he doesn't make the playoffs in the AFC West.


    Robert DeNiro (none / 0) (#46)
    by Dadler on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:20:17 PM EST
    Raging Bull offends everyone, it seems, with the following quip to open his campaign fundraiser appearance with the Michelle Obama:  

    "Callista Gingrich. Karen Santorum. Ann Romney. Now do you really think our country is ready for a white first lady?"

    The right gasps hypocritically and demands penance, and even Obama's side says it was inappropriate.

    If that was inappropriate, then what was Stephen Colbert's incomparable skewering of Emperor Bush at the Correspondent's Dinner a few years back?

    Would the Obama people say Colbert should've apologized?

    Twilight Zone we live in.


    Yeah, it was inappropriate. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:38:33 PM EST
    The truth often is.

    San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee has ... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 05:54:15 PM EST
    ... given Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi, who recently pleaded guilty to misdemeanor false imprisonment charges stemming from a domestic argument with his wife, an ultimatum.

    Either Mirkarimi resigns his office by 5:00 p.m. PDT today, or the mayor will formally charge him at that time with misconduct, which results in his immediate suspension, and is the necessary first step in an administrative process to remove him from his post.

    UPDATE at 5:00 p.m. PDT: (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:08:15 PM EST
    Sheriff Mirkarimi announced at a press conference 30 minutes ago that he does not intend to resign. Mayor Lee has since scheduled his own press conference at this hour, presumably to announce that Mirkarimi will be charged with misconduct and suspended from duty, pending administrative investigation.

    Seems Odd... (none / 0) (#72)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:41:30 AM EST
    ...that a city major thinks he can force a county Sheriff to leave.  He should go, but still not getting why the mayor thinks he can.

    Ed Lee is mayor of ... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:49:20 PM EST
    ... the City & County of San Francisco, which is governed as one municipality and not two as two autonomous political jurisdictions. As San Francisco's chief executive, he has the authority to suspend Mirkarimi for official misconduct, even though Mirkarimi was elected sheriff in his own right.

    Watch those Facebook postings! (none / 0) (#69)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 07:57:34 AM EST
    Now some employers are demanding access  to your account during the interview process. Some even want you to log on during the interview so you can't delete or scrub your account.

    Hopefully... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 09:59:35 AM EST
    this is the beginning of the end of Facebook.  

    When your boss and your grandmother are on there watching you, time to find the next new thing;)

    Employers asking for your password is pretty f*cked up though...I wonder if and when I have to interview for a new gig, and I tell them I don't play with that crap, will it cost me the job?


    No, but (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:10:38 AM EST
    they'll demand that you start a social network account, give them access, and post all your thoughts and activities on it so they can keep track of you.   ;-)

    Less invasive... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:36:23 AM EST
    than demanding bodily waste I guess...I can set up a whitewashed phony Facebook page before I stop by GNC;)

    Ya gotta be a sneaky Pete to survive this society.


    LOL! (none / 0) (#78)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:55:26 AM EST
    Just don't post any of your political thoughts, opinions on the criminal justice system, your recreational use of (ahem) any (to them) dubious substances, or suchlike.  You go to concerts a lot- fill it up with your thoughts on music and concerts you've gone to, and talk about sports (except leave out any mention of gambling).  And for pity's sake, don't even mention your "kdog" username.  If they Google it, your kdog profile on TalkLeft comes up on page 2.  ;-)  

    Not gonna work... (none / 0) (#82)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:09:57 AM EST
    you surely know what goes on at those concerts, it's half the fun!

    Hopefully I won't be desperate for a job, so I can tell such an invasive potential employer to take their job and shove it.  


    I haven't been to a concert (none / 0) (#84)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16:24 AM EST
    since the Grateful Dead, but if they're still anything like that......ummmmmm.  Maybe no concerts.  Just talk about music in general!  ;-)

    I saw the Dead... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:46:42 AM EST
    my one and only time not long before Jerry died...Philly Spectrum, St. Patty's Day 1995...damn was that really 17 years ago and lord knows how many shows ago?  If that weekend was on Facebook I'd be unemployable forever;)

    It's been too long for you kid...you gotta grab Mr. Z and go see Further...they are phenomenal.  Doing an 8 night run at the Beacon Theatre NYC in April, and I see they are headed to MD Sunday July 8th.  Probably already sold out, but there is always putting a finger in the air, and if ya don't get in it's still a helluva party;)


    By concerts, (none / 0) (#88)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:15:39 PM EST
    I mean contemporary music concerts.  I've been to plenty of classical, orchestral concerts, but they're pretty staid affairs.  I think Mr. Z and I are a bit too old now for the more raucous types.   ;-)

    No way... (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 12:44:40 PM EST
    lots of former flower children still rockin' at a Further show...my heros, they tuned in turned on and dropped out and never reneged;)

    Well, despite my (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 03:14:28 PM EST
    fondness for the Grateful Dead, and the Beatles, I was always more inclined towards Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger, etc- more the folk song/protest song type.  ;-)

    I'm certain that (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by NYShooter on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 01:46:24 AM EST
    in your haste you simply forgot: Janis Ian, Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins, The Seekers, and Peter, Paul & Mary.

    There, all fixed:)


    And also (none / 0) (#93)
    by Zorba on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 05:49:54 AM EST
    Buffy Sainte-Marie.  ;-)

    decoy facebook accounts (none / 0) (#79)
    by CST on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:57:22 AM EST
    I know some people that have real ones and "decoy" ones.  Me?  I'm already "friends" with my old boss and coworkers - who I may work with/for again some day.  They get to see baby pictures of my nephew and my sisters making fun of me.  That is what facebook has become, a place where I can keep up with my cousins/friends across the country and my mom (and friend's mothers) can comment publicly on my life with very mom-like things, and I get to see all my college friend's mom's comments too.  Anything remotely scandalous is long gone.

    You're missing out :)  Mom's make great commenters.  When else do you get to see your 30 year old friends who are "doing things with their life" be reminded to please call home because their mother misses them?


    My moms is on there big time... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:18:41 AM EST
    spying on her grandkids;)

    At Sunday Family Dinners she rags on my nephew about all the friends of his she doesn't like..."Who's so and so?  I don't like him, he's fresh"...and then I chime in, "I told ya not to f*ck with that facebook sh*t buddy!  Pass the mashed potatos."  


    I will say (none / 0) (#86)
    by CST on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:30:56 AM EST
    I set up my privacy settings so that my old boss and co-workers can only see what I post on my wall, not what my friends post.  It takes some of the stress away.  Maybe your nephew could use that trick.

    And yea, I get that too, only different.  Who's that guy? Are you dating?  "We're just friends".  Why is he posting on your wall?  "Because he's one of my 300 closest friends on facebook and had a comment".  I do/don't approve.  "Noted".


    I was thinking (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:37:27 AM EST
    That I should start a second profile.  One where I have a few trustworthy friends, but have info on my work with disabled children, feeding orphans in Guatemala, building homes for Habitat, and helping old ladies cross the street.  Of course, to look normal, I'd follow sports groups, talk about books and movies, but have nothing controversial on there.

    I have a common enough name that I think I could get away with it!


    Donnie is out of his element... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 10:47:31 AM EST
    but I thought I heard Facebook is having members verify their identity now?  Will they let you have two accounts?

    Start a completely different (none / 0) (#80)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:00:49 AM EST
    account on LinkedIn for your professional activities and your work with the disabled, etc.  It's more of a professional network rather than a social network, so you would not even be expected to have any chitchat about sports, books, and so on.  But it would be a good link to give any professional contacts and potential employers.

    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:08:46 AM EST
    I have a Linkedin account too.

    I was joking about the charity work with orphans and such, but it would be fun to post pictures with me posing with important  people - me with George Clooney, me with the president and first lady, me with the Speaker (have to be bipartisan so as not to offend a future employer's political sensibilities, doncha know), me with Brian Williams, etc. A la Stephen Colbert. Of course, these will all be photoshopped, but I would look cool!

    (Although I do have real pictures of me with Jennifer Granholm and me with Hillary Clinton).


    I don't have a Facebook account (none / 0) (#83)
    by shoephone on Wed Mar 21, 2012 at 11:12:28 AM EST
    Never have had one, will never get one. But...isn't it against Facebook's terms of service to give someone your password?

    There is only one (none / 0) (#94)
    by Edger on Thu Mar 22, 2012 at 06:36:35 AM EST
    reasonable response to a 'request' like that in an interview...