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The Voice is back. The singers are so much better than those trying out for American Idol. They just need to get rid of their new "social media correspondent" and posting tweets onscreen.

Is anyone going to watch Smash?

Anonymous is now at war with Symantec. (Background here.) They published emails of the company offering them $50,000 not to release the source code taken in 2006 and according to Anonymous, to lie. Anonymous says it's declined and sometime tonight will release the source code for free. (Update: They have posted the code. You can find their link to it on Twitter or Pirate Bay. Symantec acknowledges the e-mails are real but says the FBI was in on the negotiations -- they viewed it as an extortion attempt and had contacted them. Anonymous says Symantec tried to bribe them.)

The National Lawyers Guild is ready to help out Anonymous members. They've put up this webpage. You can follow the latest via @YourAnonNews and AnonymousIRC or just #Anonymous or #AntiSec.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Insult to Anonymous (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 08:58:00 PM EST
    deleted. If you want to bash them, do it on your own site.

    Didn't see the post but, (none / 0) (#14)
    by BTAL on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:37:31 AM EST
    does that mean that you support Anonymous and their actions?

    Parent
    I'm not a co-administrator, but (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:17:05 AM EST
    I've been around the TL community long enough to know that Jeralyn doesn't tolerate unreasoned insults, regardless of the target.  Deletion of a comment around here is pretty rare, it seems, so it must have been rather extreme -- but would not imply at all her view of the merits of any issue, were that issue to be discussed in a half-way fairminded or thoughtful way, pro or con.

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    Unreasoned insults being (none / 0) (#20)
    by BTAL on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:31:35 AM EST
    deleted is a fair standard.  Don't see how the question is unreasonable since neither one of us actually viewed its content.

    Discussion of Anonymous action is a valid subject.

    Parent

    I think it means that Jeralyn (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:37:50 AM EST
    supports Democracy and all that that entails for a lawyer.  Which seems to amount to a living, an arguing daily and hourly for our rights to not be eroded away or violated, and not much sleep sometimes.

    Parent
    There were two comments (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:05:00 AM EST
    deleted. Both were inappropriate personal attacks on the group, one accused them of being liars and the other of being terrorists like al Qaida. Name-calling isn't allowed here and I've previously stated in other threads that attacks on the group won't be allowed. It's one thing to civilly disagree with someone (or a group), it's another to maliciously "brand them."

    Parent
    As stated above (none / 0) (#45)
    by BTAL on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:39:25 AM EST
    that is a fair standard.

    The question becomes the validity of the actions of Anonymous in relation to others property and privacy.  Where is the line drawn?  

    Parent

    just back from early dinner (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 10:12:55 PM EST
    at our local excellent Greek restaurant

    they have been open 1 year tonight - great celebration, complimentary champagne & cake for everyone, live music & singing

    the 2 owners, in addition to having a very successful restaurant, are new (& first-time) grandparents - what a happy time for them, & a joyous evening in their restaurant

    #FoodComa

    I miss civilization (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:04:38 AM EST
    I have no Greek restaurant....zip...nada.  Jake and Telly's in Old Colorado City is amazing, and right across the street from the owner/chef of Gertrude's.  I'm going to go sob quietly to myself now.

    Parent
    wow (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 10:16:43 PM EST
    Symantec spokesman Cris Paden told Threat Level that the company did not know before this month that the pcAnywhere source code had been stolen.

    "We knew there was an incident in 2006," he told Threat Level. "But it was inconclusive [emphasis added] at the time as to whether or not actual code was taken or that someone had actual code in their hands."

    in my book, "inconclusive" means "act as if the source code was stolen"

    Anonymous (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by womanwarrior on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 10:50:50 PM EST
    Well, they went off track for me when they attacked courageous lawyers by identifying them with the crimes their clients were accused of, and hacked their system and published its contents.  Then they violated the privacy of rape victims by publishing their statements. I admit that it bugged me because it hit close to home and involved lawyers I respect.  I do not represent the crime; I represent the human being who is my client.  Too bad that everybody in such a movement does not have good judgment or they don't run some actions by other people before posting.  

    I still haven't read anything from (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:50:57 AM EST
    the Haditha defense.  I would like to understand firmly how they managed to negotiate the sentences that were received, and I may eventually read those items.

    The world of military courts and sentencing is not transparent though, it is very sealed off and secretive.  My spouse told me that it is that way because they have to deal with classified knowledge and materials all the time.  But when that system makes it almost impossible for people to understand how or why a group of soldiers committed atrocity and then will serve light sentences or receive no sentences, it is almost impossible for some citizens to not be outraged.

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    Almost 14-yr. old male tutoree: (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:41:09 AM EST
    Madonna is old

    Yea, well... (none / 0) (#49)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:26:31 PM EST
    I once thought 29 was old.

    Parent
    Last night we were taking an online (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:41:12 PM EST
    33 question multiple voice kind of civics test. One of the questions was about whether some political groups/states wanted to ban abortion in circumstances in which the female was impregnated by her rapist. I thought:  this could be a dicey discussion w/ a Latino boy who took his first communion a couple years ago. But he was outraged abortion could ever be denied in that event and sd., who would raise the child?  Right on.

    Parent
    Here's the test: (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:52:56 PM EST
    Am I (none / 0) (#108)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:59:50 PM EST
    reading comprehension challenged? Or are my old eyes missing the obvious?

    Parent
    Sorry. This is the website but I (none / 0) (#116)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:38:30 PM EST
    copy ineptly on my '"smartphone"; meanwhile can't get Internet connect for who knows what reason on laptop. Maybe Anonymous did it.  

    Parent
    I'll check again tomorrow (none / 0) (#117)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:42:39 PM EST
    right now I'm enjoying the battering of Romney  tonight.

    Parent
    How to account for Santorum's (none / 0) (#118)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:46:50 PM EST
    Success. People don't want health insurance?

    Parent
    This could work. (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:07:22 PM EST
    Thank You (none / 0) (#126)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:37:49 AM EST
    Karen Handel just resigned from Komen (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:05:09 AM EST
    Afraid ya'll are little late preforming cosmetic surgery damage control.  We'll be wanting Brinker now too and probably half of your corrupt non-cure seeking board.  Ya'll been exposed, we've seen ya'll naked bless your hearts, and at the same time a documentary has been released.


    And it looks like, based on her letter of (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:31:05 AM EST
    resignation, that she wants to be sure everyone knows that she was hired to be part of something that had already been more or less agreed upon before she came on board; she also refused a severance package, which might have required her to keep her mouth shut - apparently, she's going to be speaking to reporters later today...

    From the letter:

    I am deeply disappointed by the gross mischaracterizations of the strategy, its rationale, and my involvement in it. I openly acknowledge my role in the matter and continue to believe our decision was the best one for Komen's future and the women we serve. However, the decision to update our granting model was made before I joined Komen, and the controversy related to Planned Parenthood has long been a concern to the organization. Neither the decision nor the changes themselves were based on anyone's political beliefs or ideology. Rather, both were based on Komen's mission and how to better serve women, as well as a realization of the need to distance Komen from controversy. I believe that Komen, like any other nonprofit organization, has the right and the responsibility to set criteria and highest standards for how and to whom it grants.

    What was a thoughtful and thoroughly reviewed decision - one that would have indeed enabled Komen to deliver even greater community impact - has unfortunately been turned into something about politics. This is entirely untrue. This development should sadden us all greatly.

    If she's so committed to "the cause," it seems counterintuituve to put her own personal anger ahead of that commitment, and damage Komen even more on her way out the door.

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    Yeah, I just read this too (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:37:38 AM EST
    She's gonna talk Anne, or I just don't understand my own sex :)  She's mad, she's not falling on this phucking sword :)

    Parent
    After I've taken a chilled look at the (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:38:11 PM EST
    financials though, we should probably all be done with them.  My husband is expected to give the maximum tax deductible amount to charity every year now.  They hand out cards to officers with the various charities listed on them and you select your charities and it is taken out of your pay.  I'm embarrassed to say I have basically tossed this all completely onto him.  He has given the majority of what we donate to Fisher House for a couple of years now.

    I was showing him the write-ups about the financials for Komen and the salaries and overhead and he whistled softly....a poor non-profit by the standards he goes by.  He pays attention.  He has standards.  I have not been paying attention.

    Parent

    Do you have access (none / 0) (#115)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:17:45 PM EST
    to the Humane Society of the United States? I've heard that they are little more than political lobbyists.

    Parent
    You can look up any charity (none / 0) (#119)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:03:23 PM EST
    that you're interested in evaluating at Charity Navigator. Independent and reliable.

    Parent
    This is what is given out to officers (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:50:43 PM EST
    too to evaluate the charities and soldiers are encouraged to only choose charities with around 10% administrative costs.  Anything more than that is considered "excessive".

    Parent
    Yeah (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:49:08 AM EST
    but I am wondering if she is going to come back to GA and mess with our politics some more.

    Parent
    No I think Karen resigned (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:13:07 AM EST
    so she could spend more time with other families' private health affairs.

    Parent
    My sympathy (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:54:29 AM EST
    Please keep her out of Florida! We have troubles enough.

    Parent
    Sorry (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:10:44 AM EST
    Where else is she going to go? (none / 0) (#40)
    by MKS on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:30:36 AM EST
    Until Newt's Moon Colony  is founded, it looks like Georgia may be the big winner.....

    Parent
    Anti-choice Komen VP quits (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:38:55 AM EST
    Any headway... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:56:24 AM EST
    on the next installment of A$$land?  Will there be a next installment?

    Not to sound like Annie Wilkes or anything;)

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    Coming soon, probably late this week (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:00:51 AM EST
    I think this is a 3 part story, part 2 almost done.  Oh the pressure!  ;-)

    Parent
    Just don't make... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:38:11 AM EST
    get my sledgehammer Paul Sheldon;)

    Parent
    Anyone watching 'Luck'? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:01:00 AM EST
    the new HBO David Milch (of Deadwood) series about the horse racing/gambling world. First two episodes are great. Dustin Hoffman and Denis Farina are a fantastic team to watch. Nick Nolte is good too as an old trainer with one last great horse.  the racing footage is wonderful.

    I could go on....

    One nit - these sure are a bunch of growling actors. I am going to have to turn on the subtitles to catch all the dialogue, especially when my dogs are play-growling at the same time.

    I'm watching (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:09:46 AM EST
    I like it.  The degenerate gamblers are the best :)  How do they make the Jason Gedrick character look that broken every morning?  He looks like he sleeps in a martini every night after blowing himself up.

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    Lovin' it! (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:36:56 AM EST
    I tell ya Hall of Fame jockey Gary Stevens can act a little bit...but I wish the Irish lass got the mount on the son of Delphi.  

    I'm convinced the grumpy track-bum with the oxygen tank must be a track-bum in real life...so convincing.  Hits the Pick-6 for half a mill and still grumpy...now thats realism.

    My only quiblle so far is no way a poker room lets you go to your car for more money, and not even a steaming donk would call off 25 grand with pocket cowboys with an Ace on the flop.  Nice river though;)

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    LOL - glad you are watching (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:06:26 PM EST
    so i can get some help with the lingo!

    Yeah, those 4 guys are priceless.

    I heard an interview with Milch - i guess he spent a lot of time at the track as a kid since his father was a doctor with many patients there. Those characters are drawn from his recollections.

    I think the Irish lass is destined for that horse! We shall see!

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    It is a unique scene... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:48:20 PM EST
    at the racetrack...I too spent a lot of time there as a kid with my dad, and now with my little circle of degenerates, the next generation;)  

    And reading lots of Bukowski, who penned some of the best sh*t ever written about the track and it's admirers.

    Another strong point for realism...the security guard/loan shark paying 50 bucks for the Pick-6 picks and not playing it.  Could totally see that happening when you single a bomb in the second leg.  Then seeing if they wanna put money on the street...classic!  But they've yet to explain if/how they dodged the IRS.

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    Yes - that did ring true to me (none / 0) (#88)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:23:32 PM EST
    So on that last hand of cards...what game were they playing? I couldn't keep up with what was going on. I was glad they showed their faces or I would not have been able to tell who won. I love the trash talking at the table.

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    Texas Hold 'Em... (none / 0) (#125)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:07:52 AM EST
    the cadillac of poker games.

    The asian guy doesn't make that huge bet with less than Ace King (top pair top kicker), all the horseplayer could beat was a stone cold bluff with his pocket Kings.  And considering the asian guy was eating his lunch, I don't see him big bluffing there. At least thats how I'd read it;)

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    I wish I could (none / 0) (#91)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:34:24 PM EST
    hoping to get cable by the end of the month.  I'm moving apartments so it's just not in the cards (...forgive the pun) for this month.  I read this interview w/Milch and Mann on Saturday or Sunday.

    So that day you took me and Mills out was the first time I'd ever been. When did you first go to the track?

    David Milch: I was five or six years old and my dad took me, and it was a complicated and conflicting experience. He explained to me that he knew that in my heart of hearts, I was a degenerate gambler and-

    At five or six?

    David Milch: At five or six, but that despite my disposition to be a degenerate it wasn't legal for me.

    (Mann enters)

    David Milch: And I've afflicted Michael with this story before, so I will abbreviate it, but all of the process of disentangling all of the conflicting messages that were contained in that has preoccupied me either obsessively or more constructively, creatively in the ensuing years.



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    That guy Atrios who was first and is (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:04:40 AM EST
    just milking his site now, I had not read him in a few days.  When I was a teenager I used to fully understand all this on an instinctive gut level.  Somehow as I grew older, I lost touch with remembering how much they hated all of us for being 18 and on the pill acting like despicable sluts while their splendid sons were all acting like magnificent stallions.  Somehow I forgot, and Atrios did not and he doesn't even have a vagina.

    oh no (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:36:24 PM EST
    Wishing I never made fun of the Jersey Shore right now.  Link

    "The production company behind "Jersey Shore" confirmed today that it's producing a South Boston-based reality series for TLC. The show, titled "Southie Pride," will offer "an insider's look at the faith, hard work, and family that make this blue-collar enclave Beantown's beating heart,""

    Hey TLC, youtube already has it covered.  The "real housewives of south boston", brought to you by Jackie's Packie on route 34 in Danvers.

    Smash supposed to be smashing (none / 0) (#2)
    by kgoudy on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 09:48:30 PM EST
    It I weren't working on a brief, I'd watch. I hope the show succeeds so that I can watch back to back reruns just like big bang theory, intelligent tv to help you turn off a long day.


    I watched Smash. (none / 0) (#8)
    by caseyOR on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:10:28 AM EST
    If this first episode is indicative of the quality of the episodes to follow, well then, I am on board.

    This is a higher quality program than one usually gets from the broadcast networks. It's smart and adult and well-paced and well-acted. And, added bonus, not a doctor or a lawyer or a cop in sight.

    I've been a big fan of Broadway musicals my whole life. So, I am actually quite thrilled about Smash.

    Parent

    As a point of reference, what is (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:39:33 AM EST
    your favorite Broadway musical?

    Parent
    I can't choose just one. (none / 0) (#11)
    by caseyOR on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:05:00 AM EST
    I love the musicals I grew up with, Lehrner and Loewe, Rogers and Hammerstein. You know, South Pacific, My Fair Lady, Camelot. And, of course, Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story.

    That said, if I win the Powerball lottery, one of the first things I will do is head to NYC to see Jersey Boys , and pretty much any other musical for which I can get tickets. And, OMG, I would love to see the current incarnation of Porgie and Bess with Audra McDonald.

    American musical theatre is such a rich genre.

    Parent

    The gnashing of teeth re (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:47:50 AM EST
    new revised P& B makes want to see for myself.  

    Parent
    I watched some of it and was loving it...then (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:40:19 AM EST
    I decided to watch the tape of it later when I could skip the annoying commercials. So I will watch it again tonight. I really hope it succeeds. Like you, I am a huge musical fan and am fascinated with the behind the scenes stories too. I have high hopes for this series.

    My classic favorites are the Lerner and Loewe I grew up with, especially Camelot. Currently I am on a Sondheim soundtrack binge, and reading the second part of his lyric/notebook, Finishing The Hat. My favorite of his is probably 'Passion'.

    Also I love Ragtime.

    Parent

    Watched Smash a couple of weeks ago (none / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:34:59 AM EST
    (You could download it for free on iTunes).

    I really enjoyed it.  Reminds me of a "grown up" Glee.

    Parent

    My daughter loves musicals (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:41:42 AM EST
    I'll have to see if I can download it for her to watch.  She seldom has the time these days to hunt down a fun thing to do with a few hours of free time.

    Parent
    Darlene Love in concert on PBS. (none / 0) (#7)
    by caseyOR on Mon Feb 06, 2012 at 11:12:15 PM EST
    One of the unexpected benefits of the change to all-digital television was the addition of a second channel for my local PBS station, Oregon Public Broadcasting. OPB puts all kinds of interesting programs on this channel.

    Tonight I had the pleasure of watching a 2011 concert given by the fabulous Darlene Love. Much of the concert was Darlene singing songs from the 1960s girl groups. For those who don't know, Darlene sang with Phil Spector's girl groups. Anyway, she was stupendous, as always.

    One of the highlights of the Christmas season is Darlene's annual appearance on Letterman.

    Here is Darlene performing A Fine Fine Boy with Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band at the 25th Anniversary Concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Darlene was finally voted into the Hall of Fame last year.

    I would just like to thank Jesus (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:07:45 AM EST
    for allowing an exceptional quality quarterback to quarterback the winning of the Super Bowl and not destroying my faith :)  Thank you Jesus

    Actually the gift (none / 0) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:55:19 PM EST
    of the Giants victory was handed down as punishment for Tom's wife flaunting her super model body in a non-conservative way.

    Parent
    Speaking of Mrs. Brady... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:01:57 PM EST
    I don't think the Patriots receiving corp. is getting invited to any off-season BBQ's at the Brady house.

    I don't think she will be too welcome in Beantown either.

    imo Welker is getting a bad rap...that was a sh&tty pass, albeit one that Welker normally pulls in.  

    Parent

    IMO (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:07:11 PM EST
    Giselle is getting a bad rap.

    She's not a professional football player, and she's not on the patriots payroll.  Right after an incredibly tough loss by someone she loves she's being heckled by a fan with a camera in her face.  Personally, I'm willing to cut her some slack.

    And yes, that was rough, I think Welker is unfairly being singled out, there were a few other dropped passes too and Brady wasn't perfect either.  It's a tough loss, emotions run high, but it's not like she called anyone out by name, and they all looked like they were crying after.  I'm sure no-one is harder on Brady after this than Brady, but I wouldn't expect his wife to be the same.

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    Yep. If those receivers have any (5.00 / 0) (#78)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:50:53 PM EST
    sense they are thanking their lucky stars that no one sticks microphones in their own wives' faces.

    I'm sure the players care a lot less about this than anyone else does.

    Parent

    Heat of the moment, I hear ya... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:19:07 PM EST
    still, she threw Welker & Co. under the bus undeservedly.  If you're gonna talk smack, know your sh*t...it was a sh*tty pass!

    Unfortunate for her it was caught on camera.
    Fans were right though, Eli owns Tom! ;)

    Eating crow myself over here...I was wicked wrong about the Giants this year, and Eli in general...I never thought he'd be this good.  Manningham made a helluva catch, to be sure, but that was a money throw by Eli...absolute perfect spot.

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    I don't like you (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:24:08 PM EST
    anymore.

    At least Brady and co. made it to the superbowl.  Multiple times.  They even won a few.  When was the last time the Jets did anything good worth writing about?  How does it feel to see the other new yorkers celebrating again while your guys don't even make the playoffs?

    There, now I feel better.

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    LOL... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:30:30 PM EST
    it's not like baseball in NY, where if you love the Mets you must hate the Yanks and vice-versa...you can root for both football teams.  I'm happy for the Giants and NY.  Weird phenomenon that...I wonder how it came to be.  

    As for the Same Old Jets...they s*ck, tell me something I don't know;)

    Parent

    "Other" New Yorkers (none / 0) (#74)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:30:28 PM EST
    who are these people?

    Parent
    I should add (none / 0) (#75)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:30:53 PM EST
    :-)

    Parent
    "Wasn't exactly on the numbers"... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:33:43 PM EST
    thats putting it kindly Don...dude was wide open, he threw back shoulder like he was blanketed.  I call that a sh*tty pass in crunch time.  Welker made a helluva adjustment just to get his hands on it.

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    honestly (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:49:10 PM EST
    I'm not sure why everyone is convinced she's talking about Welker.  Branch and Hernandez both dropped passes late in the game too.

    Brady wasn't on his A-game either.  But I wouldn't expect his wife to be an impartial observer.

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    Yup (none / 0) (#76)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:35:33 PM EST
    There's no guarantee that Welker's pass would've secured a win either.

    Just like there was no guarantee the Giants wouldn't have fumbled had Bradshaw sat down at the 1 yard line.

    All part of the ebb and flow of sports.

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    The Bradshaw play... (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:48:20 PM EST
    kinda looked like a "make pretend to try and kneel at the 1 but I want my 6!" deal, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Not sure kneeling at the 1 is the play there anyway, as you said a fumble or bad snap on the figgie the G-men lose.  If you have the lead you fall down and kill clock, no question, but when trailing you take it in for 6.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#81)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:01:58 PM EST
    "make pretend to try and kneel at the 1 but I want my 6!" deal, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

    That is what it looked like.  

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    honestly (none / 0) (#79)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:57:37 PM EST
    I thought the best giants play of the game was leaving 12 men on the field at the end.

    A 5 yard penalty and time off the clock.  I would do that every time.

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    I feel this needs a non snark tag (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 02:58:36 PM EST
    and I'm not even hating, I think it was really smart.

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    It did work out nicely (none / 0) (#84)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:10:59 PM EST
    for us that is.

    :-o

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    Thats more like it... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:53:58 PM EST
    lousy.

    Always the diplomat Don, you're a better man than me;)  

    That safety via intentional grounding was sweet too...what say Giselle?  O-Line's fault?

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    I agree (none / 0) (#87)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:59:55 PM EST
    Gisele Bündchen can say what she d@mned well pleases, when and if she wants to.  As you said, she's not on the Patriot's payroll.  In fact, she makes a very good living on her own- she's one of the highest-paid (if not the highest-paid) supermodels (among other things).  
    In June 2011, Forbes magazine estimated that Bundchen's total earnings over the last 10 years have passed the $250 million mark.

    Link.

    I'm just glad that I'm not married to some high-profile professional sports guy and that nobody is shoving a camera in my face, taunting my husband's performance, and expecting some kind of reaction from me.  They would have heard a whole he!! of lot more expletives from me than they did from her.  And the heckler would very likely have wound up with the camera shoved up, shall we say, a very uncomfortable place, where the "sun don't shine."  
    But then, I do have a Greek temper.  Maybe Brazilians have a similar temper.   ;-)  

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    I'd put (none / 0) (#62)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:18:02 PM EST
    Welker on the list of toughest players in the league. So I'd agree that any mention of his name in the blame department is misplaced.

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    I love it (none / 0) (#111)
    by NYShooter on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:45:19 PM EST
    A quarterback throws the ball 40-50 yards, with 300 lb. Defensive Behemoths hurling themselves at full speed into his match stick body. Miraculously, the ball arrives almost into the receiver's chest, so what do the "play-by-play guys talk about for the next two hours? "The ball should've have been thrown 3 inches higher, or two inches further out."

    How those two quarterbacks, with 22 dinosaurs thundering all over the field, can throw the ball, and almost put it into the receiver's breast pocket is nothing short of spectacular.

    Note to kdog: Not dissing your comment, just talking with utmost admiration at the skill levels those guys got.


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    p.s. (none / 0) (#112)
    by NYShooter on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:46:45 PM EST
    same goes for the receivers.

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    Kos has a diary up (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 09:44:54 AM EST
    about Nevada being over 1/4 Latino now and not GOP!  The Latino GOP vote as the current GOP exists is mostly only a Floridian thingy.  Awwww.....shucky darn....can't imagine why it is that way.  History matters alongside our current realities, not that the low information GOP voter or their bought and owned by the rich candidates cares about an honest history of anything....or the study of that.  

    Nasty stomach flu... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:03:52 AM EST
    making the rounds...I spent the Super Bowl cheering for some guy named Ralph.  Not fun.

    I don't think the flu shot can save ya...I'm pretty sure I caught it from a co-worker who got the shot.  Luckily it was only a 24-48 hr. jam...but its nasty.  

    Kdog, what people (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:14:50 PM EST
    call the "stomach flu" is not the influenza that you get the "flu shot" to prevent.  "Stomach flu," or more properly gastroenteritis, can be caused by "a virus, bacteria, parasites in spoiled food or unclean water, or another trigger such as lactose intolerance, which causes a reaction to dairy products." Influenza, according to the CDC, is
    a contagious respiratory illness caused by flu viruses. It can cause mild to severe illness, and at times can lead to death. The flu is different from a cold. The flu usually comes on suddenly. People who have the flu often feel some or all of these symptoms:

        Fever* or feeling feverish/chills
        Cough
        Sore throat
        Runny or stuffy nose
        Muscle or body aches
        Headaches
        Fatigue (tiredness)
        Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea, though this is more common in children than adults.

    * It's important to note that not everyone with flu will have a fever.  


    Apologies, my brother!  I'm sure that you don't give a royal rat's patootie just what, exactly, you had, only that you felt miserable, and I'm sorry that you got sick!

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    Thanks for the edumacation... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:34:52 PM EST
    and I'm right as rain now, back on solid food.

    Good thing I love me some Jello;)

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    Ah, yes, Jello! (none / 0) (#85)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:43:53 PM EST
    Ginger ale has always been my "go to" for the intestinal "uglies."  The main thing is not to get dehydrated, and Jello works, too!   ;-)  

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    Rasberry... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 09:56:32 AM EST
    gotta be rasberry...I make it in big vats, 3 boxes at time.

    I'm a believer in the ginger ale too, slightly flat.

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    Part 2 of that story is up, my man (none / 0) (#124)
    by Dadler on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 10:06:51 AM EST
    Glenn Greenwald. Worth a read. (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 11:53:25 AM EST
    link

    Don't be dissing U.S. drones.  That's supported aQ.  

    Really infuriating (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:30:15 PM EST
    From a certain perspective, there's really only one point worth making about all of this: if you think about it, it is warped beyond belief that the ACLU has to sue the U.S. Government in order to force it to disclose its claimed legal and factual bases for assassinating U.S. citizens without charges, trial or due process of any kind.

    Indeed. And even more warped that Obama can go on Jay Leno and cheerlead for it without these questions answered first.

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    They don't gotta 'splain nuthin (none / 0) (#113)
    by NYShooter on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 08:49:27 PM EST
    They're the "deciders."

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    NYT headline: White House (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:31:36 PM EST
    Read to Compromise on Birth Control.  

    Don't even get me started... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:42:20 PM EST
    the whole issue bugs the you-know-what out of me, from Catholic institutions imposing their beliefs on the health decisions of the women in their employ, to the Obama administration once again waffling on an important health issue for women.

    I hate it, all of it.

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    this highlights (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:51:26 PM EST
    the need for a national health care system.

    I honestly think the catholic churches have a point, they shouldn't be forced to provide something that goes against their beliefs.  But women shouldn't be forced to make that choice either, since it's often not really much of a choice so much as the only option.

    A national health care system would mean no woman has to rely on the catholic church for health care, and they shouldn't have to.

    I think this would be the perfect showdown to make that case.  The only problem is no one is making it.

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    Giving expression to both rights (none / 0) (#67)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:32:09 PM EST
    First Amendment issue vs Griswold/Ninth Amendment issue. it would seem preferable to resolve this without the extremely divisive "versus.". As both columnist E.J. Dionne indicated a week ago in the WashPost & as USAToday editorialized yesterday, an acceptable compromise giving expression to both rights--bedrock religious freedom & access for women to essential healthcare--might be found in the approach in Hawaii's provision for alternative rider/supplement option.  A basic rule of construction, after all, calls for reading what may be conflicting positions in a way as to reconcile them or give expression to both.

    iMO, this strong potential "wedge issue" will be worked out for both legitimate interests. For pragmatic (read:Pennsylvania, Ohio, as well as Hispanic demographic) reasons & for longer-term societal (read: the explosive  reality of a focus on this aspect of ongoing Cultural Wars) considerations.  When all is said and done, this will not be a my way- or- the highway issue for the very reason that the emotions involved are part of individual belief systems on both sides with powerful arguments premised in the Constitution on both sides..  

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    What do you think of the Hawaii approach (none / 0) (#72)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 01:50:38 PM EST
    To which the paper & the pundit referred.

    As a Catholic also, it ain't fun to be caught in this particular middle.  Based on conversations with a number of people last week after hearing the letter, I find similar feelings from those similarly situated. Ultimately, we will all keep our own counsel in the pews and out...but, in view of the competing conflicts presented on a number of levels here, I think that an external path thru this clash will be found for the tme being.

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    Well, if you can't beat 'em... (none / 0) (#51)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 12:33:00 PM EST
    join 'em:

    The Obama campaign will signal to donors that they endorse funding of SuperPACs, which some see as a backslide on campaign finance principles but which senior campaign officials characterized as "a reflection of the law as it currently stands."

    The campaign will support Priorities USA, a PAC designed to support the President's re-election campaign. Cabinet officials and senior advisers will speak at Priorities USA fundraising events in the coming weeks.

    "We're not going to fight this fight with one hand tied behind our back," Jim Messina, the manager of Mr. Obama's re-election campaign, said in an interview. "With so much at stake, we can't allow for two sets of rules. Democrats can't be unilaterally disarmed."

    Neither the president, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., nor their wives will attend fund-raising events or solicit donations for the Democratic group. A handful of officials from the administration and the campaign will appear on behalf of Mr. Obama, aides said, but will not directly ask for money.

    David Axelrod defended the decision today, arguing that Republicans have spent millions of dollars on SuperPAC ads through the primaries and clearly would in the general election. Axelrod told MSNBC, "This doesn't mean that we believe this is the best way for the system to function. The president's going to continue to fight for ways to reform that system in the future, but that's not going to happen in this campaign, and we have to live in the world as it is, not as we want it to be."

    Andy Kroll:

    What's more, Obama and Congressional Democrats support reforms to eviscerate super-PACs and limit the ability of corporations and unions to spend general treasury money on elections. Those reforms included the DISCLOSE Act, a piece of legislation intended to counteract the effects of Citizens United which was killed by Senate Republicans in 2010. And as Obama campaign manager Jim Messina pointed out, the president continues to back not only new legislation casting more light on money in politics, but also a constitutional amendment to boost regulation of all that money sloshing around our elections.

    So, are we clear on this?  We are opposed to SuperPac/Citizens United-type financing, but we can't get to where we can successfully deal with it if we, ourselves, don't take the money and make use of the tactics.  

    I guess this is "fighting fire with fire," but as I read all this talk about commitment and support, I can't help but remember all the other things Dems and Obama said they were committed to, and supportive of, but, when push came to shove, couldn't see that commitment through.

    well, for Obama (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:07:23 PM EST
    to do anything else would be, as BTD likes to say, "political malpractice"

    Messina is right

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    I completely get why the Obama team (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 05:54:47 PM EST
    is doing this, but I hate, hate, hate what the money in politics is making of the whole process, and what I see is that no one, of their own volition is going to stop.

    As a result, the only people we are going to see in office will be bankrolled by agenda-driven gazillionaires.

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    Probably true (none / 0) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:06:07 PM EST
    on a national scale and even statewide in high population states, but the Supreme Court has laid out the ground rules so you either abide or get buried.

    Romney has proven in the GOP race thus far that it's the best route to go.

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    Again (none / 0) (#82)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:06:39 PM EST
    The preference is to lose with style?

    No.  This is how you fight back.  I am glad he is getting support from the left:

    Link

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    very amusing (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:25:45 PM EST
    who Mark Murray (& you) think of as "the left" - would Murray's "left" be the same as your "far left"?

    to be fair, Murray's idea of "the left" is my idea of the fairly cautious center left, & your idea of "the far left" (as i understand your idea of the "far left") is my idea of the mainstream left (i.e., the DFH contingent plus some remnants of the FDR coalition)

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    It's the left. (none / 0) (#97)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:04:41 PM EST
    I don't think that the far left or center left or whatever has any more grasp on the truth.

    I think that a significant chunk of his base understands a fundamental point.  Sargent puts it best:

    "Obama and Democrats tried to pass legislation that would have limited outside money and ended non-disclosure; Republicans opposed it. Democrats would close down their Super PACs tomorrow if Republicans agreed to do the same.

    So Dems have a choice: Either they can lead by example -- which is to say, by setting an example that Republicans will never agree to -- and give the GOP a lopsided advantage in outside spending and the tsunami of ads it will finance. Or they can play by the rules as Republicans have defined them, and continue to work to change those rules."

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    You know (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 05:48:30 PM EST
    what would be smart? Don't make stupid promises you have no intention of keeping so you're not constantly having words like "reversal" associated with your name.

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    You would have a point (none / 0) (#94)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 05:53:51 PM EST
    If Obama had the power to predict future supreme court decisions.

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    Look (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:21:02 PM EST
    Obama lied about public financing back in 2008. If he had not done that lie then no one would be putting "reversed" next to his name.

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    No one cares about 2008 (none / 0) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:24:39 PM EST
    anymore. The rules have changed.

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    No (none / 0) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:44:29 PM EST
    but his promise has come back to bite him once again apparently. This is why you don't promise this kind of stuff in the first place.

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    SCOTUS wasn't involved (none / 0) (#96)
    by BTAL on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:04:13 PM EST
    in the 2008 to accept public campaign funding then reverse positions.

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    This is correct (none / 0) (#99)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:08:09 PM EST
    Not what we are talking about here but correct.  He reversed positions. He did so because he wanted to win.  It was clearly hypocritical.

    I won't deny that at all.

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    You have to keep the field level (none / 0) (#100)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:08:39 PM EST
    or you will get buried.

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    Not much choice (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 03:46:22 PM EST
    The Romney super-PAC is now setting up shell corporations which will hide where the actual money is coming from. This eliminates the problem that Gingrich had when one man gives 10 million. Now it will be a corporate donation to the super-PAC without any name attached.

    The over 20 individuals that have already donated in excess of a million to Romney can now be kept out of the public eye when they exceed that number in the future.

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    Stupid stupid stupid (none / 0) (#92)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 04:46:02 PM EST
    digby comments on what is apparently a new monstrosity, the "Ryan Wyden" plan.  More on the details.

    Wyden is the epitome of a short-sighted technocrat.  Some of his individual ideas are okay but he is so determined to privatize everything in the healthcare system which in the current context leaves you completely open to being co-opted by Republicans.  This is why I found Ezra's focus on him during the health care debate so distracting.  If you're "fixing" healthcare and you've got Paul Ryan on your side, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.  That's just 100% true today.  Yes, there's a world where Wyden's ideas might work and might be executed faithfully but we ain't living in it.  Argh...

    Romney spinning (none / 0) (#101)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:18:09 PM EST
    tonight's possible losses before the polls close. Romney went negative on Santorum in hopes of doing to him what worked against Gingrich in Florida. Santorum is expected to win two out of three tonight.

    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 05:53:15 AM EST
    Poster "Sem" is spamming in old threads.