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Susan Rice Withdraws Name for Secretary of State Consideration

Susan Rice will not be the next Secretary of State. She has tendered a letter to Obama asking that her name be withdrawn from consideration.

Her withdrawal leaves Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) as the leading candidate for the job. A senior administration official said “something strange would have to happen” for Kerry not to be the choice.

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    Score another win for cranky old men and (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by caseyOR on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:59:27 PM EST
    their pals. Oh and also for craven senators from New England who live in fear of a Tea Party challenger in their next primary. I would love to see Obama go after McCain and Graham and their acolytes Ayotte and Collins. I would love for the president to verbally castigate them for their unwarranted attacks on Susan Rice's character. I would love to see Obama stand up to these miserable people. I would also love to win the Powerball lottery. I think I have better odds with the lottery.

    John Kerry? Really? So. . . what. . . Our new diplomatic strategy will be to bore other nations into compliance with our wishes? It is possible that being forced to listen to Kerry's monotonous drone could be considered a hostile act.

    Are you saying (none / 0) (#3)
    by Towanda on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:57:06 PM EST
    that Obama has become a cranky old man?  

    Or that he's one of their pals?

    Actually, you could get your wish, were Obama one of the cranky old men.  But their pals don't make a peep.

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    And, if you look in today's Boston Globe (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by scribe on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:40:27 PM EST
    you'll see a big puff piece on how Scott Brown has already broken out the barn coat and the pickup truck to take the run at Kerry's seat.

    Way to piddle away your party's Senate majority, Obama.

    Given that Obama hasn't said anything ... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:47:46 PM EST
    scribe: "Way to piddle away your party's Senate majority, Obama."

    ... regarding his potential nominee for the State Dept. once Mrs. Clinton decides to step down, your presumption about said nomination, your castigation of the president for on the basis of of your presumption, and your subsequent assumption that Scott Brown would win a special election to fill Sen. Kerry's seat were he to actually be the nominee for State, are at once premature and as yet unwarranted.

    Unless you're a certified tarot card reader and licensed soothsayer, please don't criticize people prospectively for events that have yet to occur.

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    Remember this comment (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by sj on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:29:47 AM EST
    if/when Kerry is tapped.  The rest of us will.  

    And maybe I'll be pulling out my tarot cards again.  I didn't know I could get a certification for that.  Is that a Hawaiian thing?

    But once I'm certified I expect you to treat my precognitions with serious consideration.  Since you say that's more valid than extrapolating future behavior based on past events.

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    "Recognitions." Good one. (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:31:00 AM EST
    Is that a companion to "before he was a twinkle in his father's eye."

    I think Ms. Rice is suffering the delayed consequences of calling Hillary Clinton " a monster"!!!!

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    I believe the monster comment... was Samantha (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Cashmere on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:45:28 AM EST
    Powers, not Rice.

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    A snide slam against Hawaii? (none / 0) (#59)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:44:04 AM EST
    I have avoided responding to you, but this was just too much.

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    You look for offense (none / 0) (#70)
    by sj on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:41:47 PM EST
    when there is none.  Not against Hawaii, in any case.  One of the pearls of the planet.

    And by all means, continue to avoid responding to me.  

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    CNN reporting John Kerry to be nominated... (none / 0) (#75)
    by Cashmere on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:24:52 PM EST
    for SOS.    SJ, you were correct!  And, I remembered Donald's remark.

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    That truly sux. (none / 0) (#76)
    by shoephone on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:40:24 PM EST
    Kerry is the last person I want to see elevated to that position.

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    Yeah, OK (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:22:04 PM EST
    "on the basis of of your presumption"

    You mean on the basis of just about every political commentator/analysis, and people in Obama's Administration.

    I think it's too early to chastise someone for something that hasn't happened, but to pretend the assumption was based on one assumption is pretty weak tea.

    At least now we know why the right has been in a tizzy over the Rice comments.  He should nominate a republican Senator in a toss-up state and grab one of their seats.  Or give it to McCain to shut the right up for a minute.  

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    Of late, I have to admit to having (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Anne on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:16:16 PM EST
    increasing doubts about Susan Rice at State.

    David Dayen says it better than I can - with the particular parts that were bothering me in bold:

    But the reality is that Rice made more enemies than friends in her attempt to mend fences on Capitol Hill. And her family investments in the oil and gas industry, her long record of war advocacy and too-close-for-comfort relationship to global dictators left her without champions in her own party to beat back the various attacks. In the end, the President must not have seen this as a hill to die on.

    But we never got to the point where we could discuss real concerns, as opposed to whatever it was that Benghazi was that sucked all the oxygen out of the room.  

    The Massachusetts Senate seat should be a concern, but doesn't seem to be one for Obama - which is a shame.  

    I think the whole thing is depressing as hell, from the possibility of losing a Dem seat in the Senate, to giving the right the idea that they made enough noise to close the door on Rice, to me just not being at all sure we have a truly coherent policy with respect to the whole sorry mess that is the middle east.


    If (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by lentinel on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:30:15 PM EST
    the part you highlighted is all true,

    ... her family investments in the oil and gas industry, her long record of war advocacy and too-close-for-comfort relationship to global dictators

    why was she even consideration?

    And Kerry leaving the Senate makes me uncomfortable because I think a Democratic seat in the Senate is more important than whatever it is that a Secretary of State does.

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    Why was she even in consideration?? (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Jack203 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:21:06 PM EST
    her family investments in the oil and gas industry - So what?  If you can name one middle class (or above) extended family who doesnt have some investments (401k) in oil and gas, it would completely floor me.  I am previously a moderate conservative, who has flipped to a moderate liberal.  I am beginning to view the oil and gas industry extremely negatively, regardless, I am quite sure I and many in my extended family are also invested someway.

    her long record of war advocacy -- ?  Is Susan Rice a closet neocon?  Somehow I doubt it. There are very few liberal politicians that have a perfect pacifist or isolationist foreign policy.  Regardless, the majority of Democrats are much much better than the Republicans in foreign policy.

    too close for comfort relationship to global dictators- Give me a break.  

    It's a shame Susan Rice is backing down. I do think something happened behind the scenes, but not sure the above three reasons are it.

    Losing one senate seat does stink   We had/have a real shot at a super majority in 2014.

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    First, (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Reconstructionist on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:28:48 AM EST
      there is a significant difference between a middle class family that owns a modest 401 (k) or other fund which is partially invested in energy stocks and a multi-millionaire who owns a large number of shares in a paricular  company. Especially a company  which stands to directly benefit in a huge way if our government green lights a project which decision is one her prosprective position would be intimately involved in deciding.

      Second, I am quite sure there are people, including qualified people, who have no conflict of interest related to that issue.

      Now, obviously, standing alone, that would not be disqualifying. She could divest the holdings creating the conflict of interest or she  could "recuse" from that particular matter. I believe the issue was raised to provide one of the reasons why this Administration would decide fighting to put her in the position is not worth the fight.

      The question might be framed in terms of whether Obama should dig in his heels for someone facing  strong opposition across the aisle and tepid support on his side. Sometimes the answer to such a question might be yes, but is there  anything about this particular person and this particular position at this particular time to warrant such a fight? (Not saying there is not. I'm just asking what the reasons for choosing this fight might be.)

     

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    Actually (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:36:29 PM EST
    the particular 2014 Senate races that are up for election likely favor the Republicans. But I don't really see the Massachusetts seat as being lost. Especially if Deval Patrick decides to nominate himself, or name a placeholder such as Barney Frank, until the special election, and then Patrick runs. I don't think Scott Brown would even tangle with Patrick.

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    I had not thought (none / 0) (#28)
    by Amiss on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:45:36 PM EST
    About those scenarios, but they certainly seem more palatable than Kerry being nominated.

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    Kerry's (none / 0) (#37)
    by lentinel on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:22:27 AM EST
    nomination is not palatable to me at all - even with a dose of ketchup. I just don't like him. I don't like the way he ran his 2004 campaign - the way he bought the nomination and the way he danced with Bush rather than confronting him on his lies and duplicity - and managed to lose the election and give us another four horrendous years of evil.

    A totally irrational addendum: I don't mind that Rice has withdrawn herself from consideration. One Secretary Rice was enough. How about some other grain for a little variety? Totally irrational, as I say - but I have been seriously traumatized by the W. administration. I apologize.

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    Traumatized - good word for it... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:11:09 AM EST
    As for investments in the hydrocarbon industry, it's impossible for us to live without them, but at least Susan Rice didn't have an oil tanker named for her, like Chevron did for Condileeza Rice.

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    Lentinel (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jack203 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:36:23 AM EST
    Wow, good thing Obama won then Lentinel.  I am a very moderate Dem, and I would have been devestated if Romney won, because the Republicans are just horrible right now.  Their positions are horrible and they are funded by horrible people.

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#53)
    by lentinel on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:51:31 AM EST
    they are.

    Unfortunately, many of those same funders send their dough to the Dems as well - and their influence on domestic and foreign policy is
    still felt.

    I am glad that Romney lost, but I'm not all that happy that we have Obama to contend with for another four.

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    I thought (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jack203 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:33:48 AM EST
    We had more Republicans up for grabs than Dems in 2014 senate....Just figured with how the Republicans continue to disgrace themselves and further themselves from women, minorities, and independents...a super majority was possible.

    A lot can happen in two years though.  Another possibility is that the Republicans moderate themselves back to plausibility or that things get bad in the economy and the Republicans successfully blame Obama.

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    Well, I'm happy (1.20 / 5) (#7)
    by Slayersrezo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:17:55 PM EST
    It's nice to know she was corrupt as well as incompetent.
    Besides, she was probably an Obama administration sacrifice.

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    Zero: "It's nice to know [Susam Rice] was corrupt as well as incompetent."

    ... is the inert mass of grey matter between your ears. And speaking for myself only, I'm through putting up with wingbats who casually engage in drive-by smears and slanders of Democratic public officials, without offering a single shred of irrefutable and documented evidence to support what happens to be a very serious charge.

    And if you don't like the call-out and pushback, too bad. You're posting on a liberal and Democratic-friendly blog, not serving as a guest host on Fox & Friends or The O'Reilly Factor.

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    Oh Donald meboy (none / 0) (#29)
    by Slayersrezo on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:53:34 PM EST
    I didn't know you loved me so! Tell me how you truly feel!
    Anyway, I was merely talking about the information given in this thread by another commenter, no need to get all butthurt, shooting the messanger and all that.

    My advice to you: clean up your party, apparatchuk.

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    That's good advice (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by sj on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 01:29:59 AM EST
    clean up your party, apparatchuk [sic].  
    I think you should follow it.

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    Libya conspiracy theory nonsense n/t (none / 0) (#8)
    by Rupe on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:41:46 PM EST
    Rice saved herself grief (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by koshembos on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:31:56 PM EST
    Rice saved herself a ton of grief. With all due respect to Dayen, she represents current Democratic opinions well. It wasn't her waring, oil or even Lybia, it was the GOP crazies. Obama, as usual didn't get too involved. Rice decision is probably best for her.

    Kerry will be a disaster; he always is.

    good move by Susan Rice (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:00:48 PM EST
    last week the Columbia Journalism Review characterized White House Press Secretary Jay Carney as having delivered "misinformed" & "insulting" remarks at a recent press briefing, & of having "trivialized an important story about conflict of interest in government":

    . . . . White House Press Secretary Jay Carney blamed GOP operatives for revealing that Susan Rice, President Obama's presumed favorite to become the next Secretary of State, has significant investments in the Canadian oil industry.

    "I would commend Republican opposition researchers for the intellectual bandwidth that is required to read a financial disclosure form," he said, when asked about Rice's investments at a media briefing on Thursday. "So, what this represents, I think, in vivid fashion, is what I've been talking about for a while now, which is that none of this has anything to do with the tragedy that occurred in Benghazi. This is about politics and that's a shame."

    Actually, what the revelation represented was bang-up investigative journalism. The GOP had nothing to do with it, and if anything is a shame, it's the fact that not only was Carney misinformed, but he stiffed the press--his former colleagues--on credit for a solid scoop.

    of course, it's ridiculous to expect Carney or any other White House press secretary to congratulate the press on a potentially damaging scoop

    nevertheless, Carney's sneering, absurd deflection of a legitimate question about a possible conflict of interest, as much as his flat refusal to answer, was of a piece with the general smugness & misdirection that have marked the Obama administration's attitude toward those who have committed the lèse-majesté of inquiring into "whatever it was that Benghazi was," as Anne (understandably throwing up her hands?) referred to the September 11 incident

    you don't have to be Susan Collins (or a cranky old man like McCain, or a Tea Party crackpot like Kelly Ayotte) to be "troubled" by such a kingly attitude

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:25:09 PM EST
    And speaking as a Democrat, I would certainly like to know how the tragic events in Benghazi transpired. We lost an ambassador and three others, and I'm certainly not alone in wanting to learn why we were caught with our pants down.

    That said, I'd just really appreciate it if there were actually people posing some hard but thoughtful questions to the Obama administration in a respectful and courteous manner -- rather than all these reckless charges, wild insinuations and irresponsible accusations currently being flung against the White House walls by Republicans, whose only apparent interest in this entire matter is to how they can stick it to the president politically.

    Aloha.

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    the reality is (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:41:42 PM EST
    that an opposition party can have both its political agenda & legitimate questions that deserve answers - a mature administration should be able to handle that reality

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    The opposition party (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:45:17 PM EST
    is neither mature nor based in reality.

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    that may well be (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by The Addams Family on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:58:50 PM EST
    but a certain immaturity has marked the Obama administration's response to concerns about the events in Benghazi, from the president's taking personal "offense" at being questioned to the press secretary's sneering deflection of a legitimate query

    i think the tenor of this response has the potential to damage the administration while strengthening the political agenda of the GOP

    in my view, it has already cost Obama his first choice as Secretary of State

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    Here's how I think they transpired (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:14:21 PM EST
    When war starts...any awful phucking thing could and probably will happen. War is violent absurd insanity. Murder as daily routine.

    Once you let it start, you can never be surprised at how terrible and unpredictable it gets. Not in this day and age. Not with all the lessons history has given us.

     

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    Agreed. Only on TV can 'Merican superhero (none / 0) (#50)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:17:00 AM EST
    Rambo Delta Force uber-armed, but sensitive, killers swoop in on five minutes notice and save everybody.  The entire event transpired in what, seven or eight hours?  Utter B/S that anybody could do or even decide to do anything in that amount of time.  

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    Donald, I think you're missing (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:49:40 AM EST
    Addams Family's point, which isn't about Benghazi, but about another aspect of Rice's resume that is deserving of scrutiny.

    From the Columbia Journalism Review that Addams Family cited:

    The day before Carney's briefing, OnEarth magazine, a publication of the National Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, broke the story that Rice "holds significant investments in more than a dozen Canadian oil companies and banks that would stand to benefit from expansion of the North American tar sands industry and construction of the proposed $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline."

    That's a problem because, should she become Secretary of State, one of Rice's first responsibilities would be to decide whether or not to grant a permit to construct the 1,700-mile pipeline that would transport Canadian tar sands to refineries along the Gulf of Mexico. Conflict of interest? You betcha.

    Rice, the US ambassador to the United Nations, owns stock valued at between $300,000 and $600,000 in TransCanada, the company that wants to build the pipeline, according to OnEarth's Scott Dodd:

    Beyond that, according to financial disclosure reports, about a third of Rice's personal net worth [somewhere between $23.5 million and $43.5 million in 2009, according to the Center for Responsive Politics] is tied up in oil producers, pipeline operators, and related energy industries north of the 49th parallel -- including companies with poor environmental and safety records on both U.S. and Canadian soil.

    It's hard to understand how Carney mistook OnEarth for the GOP and investigative journalism for politics.

    While I agree there are still questions about Benghazi, and those questions need better answers than those we've gotten to date, in my opinion, those were never the only questions.  If the administration was so high on Susan Rice, they shouldn't need to point fingers at the GOP to deflect from legitimate questions about her, should they?

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    Kerry. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by lentinel on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:00:19 AM EST
    "...something strange would have to happen" for Kerry not to be the choice."

    Kerry is himself something strange waiting to happen.

    I have seen quite enough of him.

    Howard Dean acquired, not entirely without reason, a reputation of being a little flakey, but I sincerely believe that if he had been the nominee in 2004,(if(imo) Kerry had not bought the nomination), Dean would have decimated Bush - would have shown him up for the mean idiot he is - would have won and we would be way ahead of where we now are.

    Dean barely finished 3rd (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:40:42 AM EST
    winning only one state (his home state) and a total of 5.5% of the primary vote edging out Wesley Clark for 3rd (Clark also only won his home state). Dean received a similar percentage of the total primary vote as did Lyndon LaRouche in 1996.

    Howard Dean was an over-hyped candidate that was only in the running in Internet chat rooms.

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    For (none / 0) (#62)
    by lentinel on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:55:00 AM EST
    the moment, I will not dispute what you said.

    But I hold to my belief that Dean would have destroyed Bush in the debates, would have gone on to win, and we would be immeasurably better off than we are now.

    I also hold to my recollection that he was leading Kerry up until Kerry said that he was "lending" his campaign a few millions.

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    That tracks with what I remember (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by sj on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 02:52:02 PM EST
    Also, contemporaneous with the media promotion of the "scream" non-issue.  Which happened right after he said he would work to break up the media conglomerates that were taking over.

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    A change is as good as a rest... (none / 0) (#13)
    by unitron on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:22:32 PM EST
    ...

    Let Hilary and Biden swap jobs and keep Kerry's Senate seat locked up until at least the next regular election.

    Besides, she's probably got a better shot at winning in the fall of 2016 than does Joe.

    And besides... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by unitron on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:25:27 PM EST
    ...if you nominate Kerry, you reward the rabid right for attacking Rice for having been misinformed by our intel folks while they forget all about how they gave Powell a pass for the same thing, only