Friday Open Thread

Donald Trump has all the delegates he needs. Bernie Sanders does not. But Bernie's trying to stay relevant by debating Donald Trump. Yes, some polls have Hillary and Bernie in a dead heat in California. Others have Hillary with a wide lead. Others say there's a backlash against Bernie brewing.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Audiobook Recommendation (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:53:41 PM EST
    I'm currently listening to "Life After Death", by Damien Echols, one of the exonerated West Memphis 3, read by the author. We've talked before about the various documentaries about the case. You probably recall Echols was the oldest of the 3, and sentenced to death, and also seemed to me anyway, very intelligent and articulate on screen.

    As it turns out he is also a very good writer and reader of his work. His voice and accent remind me of the readers of the various John Grisham books I have listened to on tape.

     The book is a combination memoir and excerpts from his prison journals. He writes about his extremely impoverished childhood in a very matter of fact yet moving way. Such stories....in particular, one of his only escapes as a child was to read horror stories, so even as a pre-teen he was devouring Stephen King and Dean Koontz books that he could get from the little library, reading them multiple times. The thought that this only pleasure of a child living in extreme poverty was later used against him to put him in prison for a crime he did not commit is just heartbreaking.

    I'm only to about his 7th grade or so years and he has already been moved more times than I can count, each living situation more horrible than the last.

    If you want to know what it is really like to grow up in such conditions, not to mention spend 17 years in prison for a crime you did not commit...you should take a listen.

    I'll have to check that out (none / 0) (#23)
    by McBain on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:12:40 PM EST
    I wonder how many other Damien Echols there are still in prison, or worse, been executed for crimes they didn't commit?

    Apparently (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:23:14 PM EST
    people have been looking for that innocent person put to death for a long time and I have wondered the same thing myself. Has it a case ever been found?

    They have not been looking very hard (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:49:19 PM EST
    10 people presumed invent after execution

    Pretty sure you coukd find lots more without looking very hard.   That too a 30 sec Google


    There's this (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:52:18 PM EST

    Since 1976, we have executed over 1,397 individuals in this country. As of January 2015, 150 individuals have been exonerated--that is, found to be innocent and set free. In other words, for every 10 people who have been executed since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, one person has been set free.

    And (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:00:20 PM EST

    8 innocent people who were executed


    I'd offer Ethel Rosenberg. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:19:11 PM EST
    Per the recently released grand jury transcipts, it's more than obvious that her brother David Greenglass perjured himself significantly when seeking to implicate her in the atomic espionage scheme undertaken by him and Ethel's husband Julius.

    Further, it looks quite likely that the federal prosecutors suborned that perjury or at the very least countenanced it, and that Greenglass's wife Ruth was actually guilty of the crime for which Ethel was ultimately framed and convicted. And a ton of brickbats should be hurled the way of Federal Judge Irving Kaufman, who likely knew that perjury was being committed by Greenglass at trial yet let it stand, and then sentenced Ethel to death based in large part upon her brother's perjured testimony.

    And while he was not formally executed, Leo Frank was more than likely innocent of the crime for which he was ultimately lynched by a mob led by many of Marrieta, GA's leading citizens in August 1915.



    World's Loneliest Elephant dies in Japan (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Mr Natural on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:51:28 PM EST
    After decades confined alone in the Zoo Industry equivalent of an ADX Florence cell, Hanako the elephant died at Tokyo's Inokashira Park Zoo at the age of 69.

    The lawsuit (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:11:08 PM EST
    he filed in California is so completely stupid and it reeks of desperation. From the behavior of his campaign I'm guessing the polls showing a wide lead by Hillary are likely more of what he's seeing in his own polls.

    re California (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:37:28 PM EST
    I've always had doubts about Bernie's potential for success there. Yes, it is  a liberal state, but it has been liberal for so long that it is a very establishment liberal state. In many ways he does better in the conservative states that have pockets of liberals.

    A few weeks ago I said there was no way he would win CA - in recent dyas it seems more up for grabs, but the polls are all over the place so it is hard to tell.

    Picking a fight with Barbara Boxer does not seem very smart to me.


    The demographics (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:13:49 PM EST
    are not favorable to Bernie and he's been unable to change that since the beginning. I miss BTD doing his demographic analysis for sure.

    Bernie's campaign acts like the entire state is Berkeley. Oddly enough so does the GOP.


    Boxer (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:46:55 PM EST
    Had one of the best debate reactions.

    It would be fun to watch.


    Someone said it would be the Super Bowl of crazy.  Yeah.  Probably.

    I'm still trying to figure out how, as every talking head has been telling me,  that two crazy guys screaming at each other in a stadium full of screaming morons is "bad" for Hillary.

    1" is the new "5"

    I did wonder if maybe the order was being misunderstood.


    That said (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:52:58 PM EST
    I do think there is a backlash brewing against Sanders.  This ridiculous lawsuit is just the latest installment.

    From that link in the other thread the last line was "Sanders has not issued a statement on the matter"
    No kidding.


    Captain, (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:10:30 PM EST
    you intuit well on these matters, requiring me to re-think this debate.  Firstly, from the Republican line-ups  we saw that Trump has no policies, let alone, details, to debate. He used bluster and oafish behaviors as detractors--his polls, his greatness, including his anatomy, how everyone loves him despite his hatred for them, often expressed.   As the one-eyed man in the land of the blind, he was king.

    Sanders has policies, but they are sketchy and detail-free.  It would be the battle of the platitudes at a high decibel level.  If Sanders uses real attacks on Trump, including his own words, Trump will lie and deny that he said what he said.  This will stymie Sanders to the point of being a reddened-faced stroke candidate.  And, the focus will go there.

    Everyone knows that government is not Trump's field, so they expect nothing and he is prepared to deliver same.  Sanders has a few ideas, that some think are new, easy for Trump to crank out old Commie pinko nostalgia from the wingnuts.

    Of course, no matter what, Trump will be declared the winner by the media.  A good show, but who needs it,  most have Netflix for that.

    But, if it really hurts both of them, I am in favor.


    I'm not so sure about the (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:28:17 PM EST
    Media declaring Trump the winner.  They do love them some Bernie.  I expect they would be very torn.   Just yesterday Tweety was explaining how it would be Bernie who was all but certainly declared the winner.  I can't really remember why and who cares anyway.  I think you are right.  If there was a winner it would be Hillary for not being there.

    Natural- (trying to consolidate comments here)
    I was very intrigued by Trump-ulation so I googled and found and explanation of why Trump won the primary on a site appropriately called "now the end begins"


    For those of you who think I'm crazy, consider the following:

    God raised up the unGodly King Nebuchadnezzar to shake and enslave Israel for 70 years, and He used the unGodly King Cyrus to allow construction of a new Jewish Temple. He allowed the unGodly Pharaoh to enslave His people the Hebrews for over 400 years, and He allowed the Roman emperor Titus to burn Israel to the ground in 70 AD. Furthermore, God allowed the demonic Adolf Hitler to create the Holocaust in order that Israel might be regathered in 1948 according to prophecy in the last days.

    So to those of you who say that "God would never use a man like Donald Trump" say that in violation of how God has already revealed Himself to be with the rulers of nations. Over the past 6 months, Donald Trump has beat every single opponent presented to him, and by whopping margins. Some of those he beat are consummate, powerful politicians who know how the game is played. Yet, one by one, they all fell before Trump.

    As savvy as he is, you would be in grave error to credit Trump with the victory. It is God who sets up the kings of this world, not man. The global shaking is coming...



    Good grief (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:13:02 PM EST
    Do you actually surf the 'net and read such? Now I have a much better of understanding you.

    Maybe (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:16:14 PM EST
    there really is a silent majority and a debate like that might prove it :).

    Also might prove one of my theories that this election is going fall along the fault lines of crazy/not crazy.


    CNN (none / 0) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:24:05 PM EST
    reporting that Trump calls off debate.

    Sanders (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:39:15 PM EST
    got played and so did the media. Trump never was going to debate Bernie. He's talking about how DWS has "denied" Bernie the nomination and then says he's not going to debate the "second place finisher". I have no idea whoever in Bernie's campaign thought tangling with Trump was a good idea but it was a poor decision. Bernie got dirty and the pig liked it.

    I dont know what all that means (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:45:05 PM EST
    But if Trump did call it off it was because he was afraid.   I was right and Maddow was wrong.  Trump had everything to lose and Bernie (and the democrats) had nothing to lose.  

    Bernie did not get "played".   Donald stepped in it.  Now he looks like a sniveling coward for being afraid to debate an octogenarian socialist.


    This is awsum (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:56:05 PM EST
    POLITICS  MAY 27 2016, 4:18 PM ET
    Trump Now Says Debate With Sanders Would Be 'Inappropriate'

    And if there's one thing we know about Donald he is never inappropriate.


    Live Bernie (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:58:13 PM EST
    "I hope he changes his mind.  Again.   He changes his mind a lot.  Trump is a big tough guy, well Mr Trump, waddya afraid of?"



    Well (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:01:26 PM EST
    if you read Trump's statement it's about how he doesn't see the need to debate the "second place finisher" so it doesn't come off as being scared of Bernie at all. It comes off as why bother debating with a "LOSER". However he said he would debate Hillary. We'll see if he actually does debate her or not.

    And you believe this (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:03:47 PM EST

    No one else does


    DailyNews (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:13:29 PM EST
    Donald Trump backs down on Bernie Sanders debate challenge after saying he'd `love to debate' Hillary Clinton's Democratic primary opponent


    (Sanders fries chicken Donald 10m debate flip flop)


    Well (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:23:43 PM EST
    you've got the Hill is simply saying Trump won't debate Bernie. NBC says Trump says it's "inappropriate". Does anyone actually believe he's afraid to debate Bernie? I mean he actually did those stupid GOP primary debates. It's not like Bernie is going to get specific on anything like Trump.

    Unbelievable (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    Why do you think he said over and over that he would LOVE to debate Bernie?

    Time (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:28:44 PM EST
    says it was a win win for both of them because it's all the news talked about for a few days. Okay. I would agree with that.

    This (none / 0) (#50)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:14:02 PM EST
    will be forgotten in a week or two, although I expect Bernie to play the "Trump is afraid of me card" possibly until the end.

    I don't really know how serious Trump was but I doubt he is afraid of Bernie. IMO he has nothing to gain from a debate and I think his handlers and his party supporters also see that and were  able to talk him down.

    That being said, I think Trump will not stand for being labeled a coward and the  game will be on. Bernie of course has nothing to lose and might go full Warren on him ala Donald is a "small, insecure money-grubber."


    We will agree to disagree (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:21:39 PM EST
    Just reading around about this.  C&L has a gushing post about Maddows screed last night.   Shorter Maddow, she didn't like the idea.  At all.  At the very end of this C&L post there is this gem-

    Maddow later compared the idea to President Obama debating Newt Gingrich in 2012, and admonished Sanders for ignoring his real opponent in the Democratic primary.

    Indeed.  God forbid Bernie should take his "eye off the ball" and take a day off from bashing Hillary to bash Trump.


    And yes (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:24:37 PM EST
    About the full Warren part.  This episode makes me feel better about unification

    Fwiw (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:29:15 PM EST
    The MSNBC crew is in complete agreement it was a total chicken sh!t moment.  It so obvious it's laughable.  And I'm amazed that you are do blinded by your hate for Bernie that you can't admit it.

    Howdy, FWIW, (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by NYShooter on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:28:39 PM EST
    on this topic, you've got my respect.(not that you want, or need it)

    I'm just glad you've gotten a taste of what it's like "debating" someone who rejects reality, even when it's standing up in broad daylight, and punching you in the face.

    Now, maybe you can understand why I don't participate any more. You can be an advocate for someone without believing anyone who has a different point of view is being an idiot.


    Ha (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:31:34 PM EST
    Actually I remember 2008 very well.

    And of course I want it.


    Of course (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:11:37 PM EST
    MSNBC would say that if it's Trump vs. Bernie. If it were Trump vs. Hillary it would probably be a different story.

    I don't hate Bernie. I'm just tired of him but I do very much dislike the bros.


    The Bernie Bros (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:34:15 PM EST
    will be outraged. Trump insulting Bernie, and all.  May make them mad at Trump, and finding out, to their dismay, that Trump lies like a rug (pun intended). Trump is a fraidy cat.

     May distract the Bros from their earlier rage that Mrs. Clinton declined another debate with Bernie and her being distrustful because of the way she emailed. And, did not,at least, copy and file her government business emails in a timely manner, rather than giving up, essentially,  the lot of them when she did.


    Yes! (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:36:39 PM EST
    This is only good for the Sanders supporters flirting with a Trump vote

    Oh, and how is (none / 0) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:42:11 PM EST
    Trump going to deal with Putin?

    lol. Flabbo - a - Mano (none / 0) (#61)
    by Mr Natural on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:10:49 PM EST
    Ignore the noise (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:54:20 PM EST
    RCP average has Clinton +8
    538 weighted average has Clinton +14

    But it will be over before the polls close in California so a double digit Clinton win (or a double digit Sanders win) won't make a difference.


    Just minutes ago (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:56:56 PM EST
    Sanders campaign manager said they are going to the convention to make as much trouble as possible no matter what.  

    He's hoping to avoid the unemployment line (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:59:02 PM EST
    for a couple more months

    And Jane (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:18:00 PM EST
    the other day announced that Bernie was going back to the senate on June 8th and then quickly turned around and realized what she had said and started talking about the voting that still has to go forward.

    2 months from now Weaver is going to start to look like those Japanese soldiers that never realized WW2 was over.


    lol. It ain't over - for Weaver - (none / 0) (#64)
    by Mr Natural on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:13:35 PM EST
    until the last check is cashed.  

    What did Robot Porter say the campaign manager's cut was? 5 or 10% off the top.


    Yeah, (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:25:56 PM EST
    probably right. Where is Robot these days I wonder?

    Nate Silver at 538.com says that .... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:56:40 PM EST
    ... Mrs. Clinton has a 97% of winning California. Further, he states the obvious, which unfortunately needs to be repeated again and again, that the system isn't rigged against Bernie Sanders but rather, he's losing because more Democrats want Hillary Clinton to be our party's nominee:



    The funny thing is (none / 0) (#2)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:25:39 PM EST
    The judge has set the hearing date for August - after the primary and after the convention.  Shows you what he thinks of the merits.

    Won't matter (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:35:38 PM EST
    If Sanders wins California 100% to 0% he will still lose the nomination.

    Yes, Sanders would lose the nomination, (none / 0) (#15)
    by caseyOR on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:34:19 PM EST
    but a win in California would be a much better lead-in to the convention for Clinton than a loss in California.

    A Clinton win, and the bigger the better, in California would also take whatever wind there is remaining out of Sanders' sails. And, perhaps, diminish any leverage he might take to the convention.


    There is no wind in the Sanders' sails (none / 0) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:50:01 PM EST
    that ship has floundered

    Is that "floundered" or (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Peter G on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:25:59 PM EST
    "foundered"? I'm always getting confused on that one.

    I meant floundered (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:49:43 PM EST
    but you could be right and that ship may have foundered.

    To flounder is to struggle haplessly with ... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 02:54:15 PM EST
    ... a strong likelihood of failure, whereas to founder is to 1. sink below the surface of the water; 2. to collapse and fail absolutely; or 3. if used in reference to a horse, to stumble badly and come up lame.

    Lame (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:16:31 PM EST
    Definitely lame

    Our party's state convention ... (none / 0) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 12:34:05 PM EST
    ... opens this afternoon in Honolulu at the Sheraton Waikiki hotel. We're flying over there at noon. Should be interesting.

    Finally, they're calling our flight. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:00:34 PM EST
    I fly Hawaiian Airlines an average of five times a month, and it's the leading carrier in one-time departure and arrivals. Today is the first flight I've been on this year that's late.

    Next up (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2016 at 01:32:49 PM EST
    Big sky country. (none / 0) (#27)
    by fishcamp on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:29:50 PM EST
    Montana (none / 0) (#33)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri May 27, 2016 at 03:57:04 PM EST
    The Libertarian nominating convention (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:18:29 PM EST
    Is happening this weekend.  Gary Johnson is on right now pushing Weld as a VP.

    (As a republican) (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 04:24:34 PM EST
    Are you comfortable being spoiler?



    Reported from this event (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:40:48 PM EST
    The Koch brothers may be in play to support a libertarian candidate.

    Omg (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 05:42:06 PM EST
    I really like hating the Kochs.   What if they actually do something good?

    The David H. Koch Charitable Foundation ... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:12:54 PM EST
    ... is a big underwriter of the PBS series NOVA, and provides a lot of funding for medical research at Memorial Sloan Kettering and MD Anderson. It's also a big supporter of the arts.

    I don't care for the man's politics, but his record of philanthropy is actually quite admirable, and there appears to be a firewall between his charitable interests and his political orientation.



    Really? (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:20:06 PM EST
    I ain't never seen no PBS

    Did you (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:07:09 PM EST
    know that one of the Koch's ran on the Libertarian ticket against Ronald Reagan in 1980?

    I actually did know that (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:37:25 PM EST
    I think Donald has a very big problem that has nothing to do with women or Hispanics or changing demographics or hair care products.

    I believe Donalds biggest problem is the silent conservative republican establishment.  Who lucky for them have most of the money in the world.  

    Like the Kochs for example.  They and many others may never say do in an interview but they will, I think, do almost - and spend almost - anything to keep him from the levers of power.

    There will be vast sums of money available to the libertarians (and the greens and the rentistodamnhighs and whoever else).  Even Hillary Clinton in the unlikely event she needs it.   Thanks to our ridiculous campaign finance laws no one will ever know.

    Digby via atrios-

    It should be obvious by this time that Trump has absolutely no idea what he's doing and is making it up as he goes along. Paul Manafort is experienced at dealing with this sort of character, and seems quite comfortable doing it. But the campaign is a mess and that's because the candidate is a vainglorious buffoon who has no clue what he's doing and thinks he's a genius. I wouldn't bet on Manafort lasting through the duration.

    I repeat, cause it's worth repeating and bolding: "But the campaign is a mess and that's because the candidate is a vainglorious buffoon who has no clue what he's doing and thinks he's a genius.

    We are not the only ones who know this.


    well (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 07:00:13 PM EST
    the Kochs for one have already announced that they will not be supporting Donald. And yes, there are probably more and more that are going to decline to donate although Sheldon Addleson said he would front 100 million.

    And I have seen that same story line floating around in a couple of places about how you cannot tell Donald what he is doing wrong in a campaign mostly because pretty much nobody has ever told him what to do. He's always been the boss and did what he wanted anyway.


    As I've wondered before, is Bernie (none / 0) (#65)
    by Green26 on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:15:34 PM EST
    staying in race because he wants to be still in the race if Hillary has to exit, or falters big-time, due to the emails or something similar?

    See this NY Times article entitled: "Die-Hard Bernie Sanders Backers See F.B.I. as Answer to Their Prayers"


    At this point (none / 0) (#67)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:23:49 PM EST
    Even if the event that shall not be named occurs,

    I see Biden parachuting in.

    It would not make for a pretty convention

    The media would eat it up

    But I always thought that was a big impetuous for The Bern to stay in

    If he was declared out, it would easier for Establishment Dem's to parachute someone in


    More Clinton email stuff (none / 0) (#69)
    by Green26 on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:32:26 PM EST
    "Since her use of a private email server was made public last year, ... Clinton has insisted she turned over all work-related emails to the State Department to be released to the public."

    "But after 14 months of public scrutiny and the release of tens of thousands of emails, an agency watchdog's discovery of at least three previously undisclosed emails has renewed concerns that Clinton was not completely forthcoming when she turned over ... emails."

    "The three messages include Clinton's own explanation of why she wanted her emails kept private: In a November 2010 email, Clinton worried that her personal messages could become accessible to outsiders. The messages appear to have been found among electronic files of four former top Clinton State Department aides."

    "Two other messages a year later divulged possible security weaknesses in the home email system she used while secretary of state."

    ABC/AP article.


    anyone watched Season 2 of Bloodline yet? (none / 0) (#71)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:51:24 PM EST
    getting ready to dive in...will report back!

    No (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 06:56:33 PM EST
    But I am so completely OVER Paige and her whining.  OMG.  

    You killed him

    But he was going to rape and murder you.

    But....you killed himmmmm....


    I looked for it (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 07:01:01 PM EST
    the other day and I guess it had not been released yet or rather the new season.

    And the Trump supporter (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 07:52:57 PM EST
    Imitating the look of Hulk Hogan goes down in San Diego, 5 police officers snuck up from behind and took him down as he made moves to storm the line of riot gear cops. I'm impressed, nobody was hurt, police officers displaying good training.

    I did just recently find out that Donald Trump is a member of the WWF and has wrestled in the WWF ring ;). But of course

    Well, it happened (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:17:06 PM EST
    That Sanders campaign has officially gone around the bend.  Maddow is giving it rather brutal coverage right now.  Stuff supposed to be up on her blog soon.

    They have sent a letter demanding Barney Frank and others be removed from their positions at the convention or they wil blow it up.   Grind it to a halt.  Prevent them from nominating anyone.  

    Maddow is saying they got this letter exclusively.  I can't find a link.  

    She doesn't stop there.  Discussing threats and harassment of officials I'm Wyoming.  Slashed tires.  Home addresses posted on Facebook.

    They have lost it.   And it's going to blow up in their face.

    It's up (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:19:04 PM EST
    Yes, it seems like a breaking point (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:21:48 PM EST
    Has been reached all over. I have been unable to read or watch much the past few days but see and read tonight it's done. Patience for the Bernie approach exhausted all over.

    You really have to read the letter (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:24:29 PM EST
    Then there is the stupid SanFran lawsuit.  

    I just finished it (none / 0) (#80)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:30:13 PM EST
    This is not how Democrats go to convention.

    I wonder if Kos saw this letter earlier than the masses. His site is riled to the hilt because of some of his Sanders remarks today.

    I had hoped it was possible that Sanders wouldn't set himself on fire, but he doesn't care what I hoped for.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:37:18 PM EST
    I was scanning the recommended earlier.   Seems a bit.....tense.

    Why I'm leaving KOS

    KOS doesn't speak for me



    It was that same way (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:50:10 PM EST
    a few days ago after he was posting something about why Bernie lost or something and then after he went after Bernie's behavior after NV that ticked a lot of them off. It's kind of like for a long time though that they thought the could blog Bernie into winning the nomination.

    I wonder (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2016 at 08:52:52 PM EST
    if anybody has informed Bernie that he can't sue his way to being the nominee. That apparently seems to be the newest "strategy".

    I'm just beyond over this nonsense.


    Apparently (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2016 at 09:05:25 PM EST
    Bernie is on Maher right now and Maher is propping him up and bashing Hillary.