Happy Birthday and Open Thread

It's never my birthday until I see a chocolate cupcake with icing and a cherry on top!

I'm grateful to be younger than the candidates running for President.

Birthday wishes (and donations for a birthday drink, paypal here) are welcome.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Happy Birthday Jeralyn!!! (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 03:35:03 PM EST
    Hope you enjoy your cupcake and do a little bit of partying! Sometimes just being younger than someone else is good enough.

    Thanks as always for all you do for us, providing a space to learn, converse, and vent. Much appreciated!

    Happy Birthday, my friend (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 07:28:46 PM EST
    and remember, you're also nearly three months younger than I am!

    Happy birthday, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 04:50:52 PM EST
    A pint in your honor with a traditional Irish birthday toast:

    "May you live to be one hundred years -- with one extra year to repent."


    FBI Director Comey, (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 28, 2016 at 05:39:19 PM EST
    in testimony before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, went further than in the past in vindicating Mrs. Clinton of wrongdoing stating that she broke no laws governing the handling of classified data. Comey said "we have no evidence that's sufficient to justify the conclusion that she violated any of the statutes with respect to classified information."

    I wish the various walk-backs of his original (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 06:57:42 AM EST
    statement were getting nearly the play. I had a Facebook skirmish with someone yesterday who had only herd the original version. Of course he then defaulted to the 'well I hate Hillary anyway' stance, so the facts don't matter to everyone...but I do know other people that this matters to.

    Yes, and (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 09:54:35 AM EST
    Director Comey's response to Senator Sasse (R.NE) was a walk -back.  And, an unde-reported one at that. But, it will surely be used by the Clinton Campaign...not for the various Republican basket cases, but for others.

    The esteemed (none / 0) (#9)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:18:41 PM EST
    Jonathan Turley poses many troubling questions ...


    The latest recipient of an immunity deal from the Justice Department is one of Clinton's closest aides and a figure at the heart of the email scandal, Cheryl Mills. She joins two other central figures in benefiting from such deals: former State Department staffer, Bryan Pagliano and tech specialist Paul Combetta. In addition to at least two other immunized witnesses according to the Associated Press, they represent the big three of officials involved in the underlying allegations of Clinton's potential criminal conduct. Their collective immunization is baffling.

    Turley seems (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:37:46 PM EST
    to have found himself a very lucrative market called fleecing the conservatives. I guess he's thinking why not get in on it when and get some money and attention from the rubes along with the Breitbart crowd.

    You were quoting the always wrong Turley months ago but then being always wrong never seems to be much of a deterrent to you and more likely seems to be something you embrace above all else. LOL.


    Turley (none / 0) (#11)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 05:39:56 PM EST
    Is a legal scholar,
    And, as usual, you attack the man, instead of addressing the very salient points he brings up.

    Trevor (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:03:08 PM EST
    you can't debate a conspiracy theory. Of course you would not recognize that because opinions are the same as facts to all you members of the wingnut welfare brigade. Was or was not Turley completely wrong about the entire email thing for months? I will answer for you. The answer is yes. He's fleecing you but I guess you should just lay back and enjoy it. Right? You guys are the most naive people on the face of this earth who will believe anything. Trump is your Frankenstein's monster of a continual stream of fact free analysis come to life.

    "Salient points" - heh (none / 0) (#14)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:43:56 PM EST
    Specious smears in the form of "questions" are not "salient points".  If you or Turley are actually "baffled" by the grants of immunity, I would suggest you actually learn something about the profession you claimed to have been a part of.  If, OTOH, you want to make an accusation, then try to come up with actual facts and evidence to support your claims.  It would be a refreshing change of pace.

    So (none / 0) (#15)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:11:40 PM EST
    Turley is now in the business of smears.

    Next  thing you will be saying is he started a new branch of the Alt Right.

    Keep up the good work


    No - I think Turley's "bafflement" ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:17:15 PM EST
    ... may be sincere (although biased).

    Yours, OTOH, ... not so much.

    Both are completely lacking in facts or evidence to back up your claim that the immunity agreements are unwarranted or that they are evidence of wrongdoing.


    You appear to be operating under ... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    "What was the use of my having come from Oakland it was not natural to have come from there yes write about it if I like or anything if I like but not there, there is no there there."
    - Gertrude Stein (1874-1946), Everybody's Autobiography, p. 289 (1937)

    ... the faulty assumption that an offer of transactional immunity to witnesses and their acceptance thereof during an active investigation is the equivalent of Monopoly's "Get Out of Jail Free" card, an entirely one-sided transaction which somehow grants those witnesses a license to lie and / or mislead investigators if they so choose.

    A person who's been granted immunity by the U.S. Dept. of Justice is still under legal obligation to tell the truth to federal investigators, or else that person's agreement with DOJ is rendered null and void, and he / she is then potentially subject to prosecution.

    It's rather amazing that you have yet to figure this out. But then, I suppose that in your defense, the continued beating of all these dead right-wing horses must otherwise take up an awful lot of your time.

    Have a nice evening.


    Per the good Professor (none / 0) (#16)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:14:58 PM EST
    I think I will trust the good professor

    The easiest way for prosecutors to scuttle a criminal case is to immunize those people who are at the greatest risk of criminal indictment. Often prosecutors will avoid immunity deals in favor of offering plea bargains to key players, tying their cooperation against others to reduced sentences. Although a witness can lose an immunity deal by withholding evidence or lying, a witness can undermine cases against superiors by tailoring their accounts or memories to avoid statements showing intent or knowledge.

    Combetta's immunity deal was perplexing. Combetta used a product called BleachBit to eradicate evidence of Clinton emails after a telephone conference with Clinton staffers. When he used the product, he admitted that he knew that Congress had issued a subpoena ordering the preservation of the evidence. Then, this month, it was alleged by a "Twitter sleuth" that Combetta, acting under the alias "stonetear," solicited advice on how to change email records to remove a "VIP's (VERY VIP) email address."  Either Combetta did not disclose this effort in violation of his immunity deal or the Justice Department effectively removed a serious threat of indictment though the agreement. Despite immunity deals pledging cooperation with all parts of the government, both Pagliano and Combetta have refused to answer questions from Congress, and Pagliano is facing a contempt sanction.

    I'm going to give Marco Rubio ... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 02:43:12 PM EST
    ... the benefit of the doubt here, because I really don't believe that he actually understands how the Cuban Embargo law works.

    I mean, why else would this emptiest of Brooks Bros. suits retweet a nonsensically misleading pro-Trumpian post from "Capitol Hill Cubans," which was hastily written in panicked response to Ken Eichenwald's latest Newsweek exposé about Trump's willful circumvention of that embargo law for his own perceived benefit?

    Florida deserves better than this intellectual flyweight. Whether Floridians actually think they do, well, that's another matter entirely.


    Have a Happy Birthday Jeralyn (none / 0) (#8)
    by vicndabx on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    many many more!

    Depressing candidates (none / 0) (#18)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Sep 29, 2016 at 08:29:38 PM EST
    Will depress voter turnout

    Per Gallup


    69% of U.S. adults are sure they will vote, down from 76% in 2012
    72% have given a lot of thought to the election; lowest figure since 2000
    Intent to vote is down sharply among U.S. adults aged 18 to 34

    One reason for the decline in Democrats' intent to vote could be the depressed percentage of young voters this year saying they will definitely vote -- now at 47%, down from 58% in 2012 and from a peak of 74% in 2008.

    In contrast to the 11-point drop since 2012 in young adults' voting intention, there has been a seven-point decline among 35- to 54-year-olds and virtually no decline among those aged 55 and older.