Friday Morning Open Thread

Mitt Romney made a blood vessel in Jeralyn's eye pop with his demand she believe him and not her lying eyes. She's out of action because of Romney.

I'm out of action because I'm too nervous about my Yanks.

Will be back tomorrow with this week's disastrous college football picks.

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    You wanna laugh your butt off? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 12:30:51 PM EST
    Please click this Link, and have a towel close by. Hint: The caption says, " I just got my ass kicked by a 69 year old man."

    And, the following article by The Onion is priceless: "Romney Proudly Explains How He's Turned Campaign Around"
    'I'm Lying More,' He Says


    That is going on my facebook (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:07:25 PM EST
    Ha! Do I dare? I successfully ignored (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:14:45 PM EST
    my sister-in-law's mad ravings last night. Don't want to stir the hornet's nest.

    It's risky (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:26:12 PM EST
    I have a facebook friend that I met through another mother of a disabled child.  She used to work with the families who have SMA children in fighting their insurance companies when they were being denied.  She is so sharp.  She has been posting though that her friends list is being whittled down and she remembers why she grew away from some people lately.  She has buried children that she fought to help though.  SMA is cruel, but allowing insurance companies to make their lives even crueler is intolerable.  She strengthens me.  I'm about to unfriend giant bozonga cousin, what a shallow evil self centered cousin I have....or maybe not :)

    My mom is dead, and I really won't be seeing her at any family get togethers since they moved to Arizona.


    You know you (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 02:56:54 PM EST
    can take her out of your newsfeed? I have done that to a number of people who were really annoying.

    Yu, just did that...I will check (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:32:06 PM EST
    for pics of my niece and nephew after the election!

    But OMG, you would not believe what these people think is funny.


    You know what I think is funny? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:50:53 PM EST
    THIS -- Lindsay Lohan endorses Mitt Romney for president, which just about sums up the emotional breadth and intellectual heft of his supporters.

    Funnier still (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:10:37 PM EST
    another article says she isn't registered to vote anywhere.

    It's odd (none / 0) (#103)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:01:02 AM EST
    I want to know what my family really thinks.  Does Josh really matter to them?  Does anyone in our family who could become unlucky in maintaining good health matter?

    WHAT are you all talking about? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:26:21 PM EST
    I realize I probably fondled one too many reefers (back in the day), but I  have NO idea what's being discussed.

    Are you Masons?


    I fondle reefers daily... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:35:28 PM EST
    and I kinda know what they're talking about...all I can tell ya is be glad you don't Shooter, means you're ahead in the game;)

    Speaking of reefers, will you two ... (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:52:56 PM EST
    ... please shut up and pass it over to me, instead of letting it burn in your hands while you babble away like a couple of old stoners?



    Hey, you travel a lot (none / 0) (#30)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:27:54 PM EST
    when you're in L.A., ever been to manhattan beach?

    Talk about "old stoners." i lived there for a couple of years in the late 60's....best "Purple Jesus" & Wackie weed ever.

    Just interested how the the old neighborhood is doing?


    ... have always been a rather unique and hardy breed of Southern California beach resident who marches to the beat of his or her own drummer.

    All I can say is, not for nothing has this area become the heart and soul of the die-hard fan base for the NHL's Los Angeles Kings.

    In fact, after the Kings won their very first NHL championship last June, Lord Stanley's very first stop was the North End Bar & Grill in Hermosa Beach. That about sums the place up.


    Whew. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Towanda on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:00:13 PM EST
    I thought it was just me, NYShooter.

    Just Shooter is fine (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:22:51 PM EST
    NY is my formal name, when I'm traveling to foreign lands, like here in Tennessee.

    they don't talk here; they exhale, and grunt simultaneously. I dread meeting a girl, and, well, you know; is she saying, excuse me, grunting, "yes," or "no?"

    Oh, I just remembered something. Search engines suck. You used to be able to look stuff up, but that's history. I tried to find out a simple thing, one simple question, "how many churches are there in the State of New York?" Simple, right? Go ahead, the answer doesn't exist. Well, it exists, but the Billionaire Boys at Google have long since abandoned Search.

    You know why I wanna know? Cause in this this one crappy little County I'm living in, here in Tn. has 1700. Can you believe it? 1700 freakin churches in one county (and a corner of another) So, I said to some of my new hill billy friends here, "you've got more bible thumping churches in one county than NY has in the whole State. Well, the four of us put our I.q's together (giving us four total) and spent, God knows how many hours looking it up.....to no avail.



    Same church count here (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:07:45 AM EST
    And they all have those cheap rollaway light up message signs.  I still dream of going on a martini binge and having my daughter drive me around while I change all the signs to read something that I find funny.

    Can you imagine the gasps as they watch the security camera video? "OMG, it is that poor crippled child's mom, and she's laying on the ground laughing, and is she drunk too?"


    Love (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by womanwarrior on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 02:12:19 PM EST
    that image!  Hey, we could find you a great criminal defense lawyer!

    I can see it now (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by NYShooter on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 04:03:22 PM EST
    Joe Pesci grabbing his crotch, saying, "Save This!!"

    I was working in Memphis for a few (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:28:03 PM EST
    weeks and I swear even ordering at Burger King was an linguistic adventure. What they could do to the simple question 'Dine in or take out?' was amazing.  

    Best I could do, Shooter (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:38:10 PM EST
    is this directory of Christian churches, but only in the major cities, of New York State.  Link.
    I leave it to you to click on each city and borough listed and count it up.   ;-)
    And realize that it only includes the "major cities."  It doesn't in any way include the smaller towns and cities, such as Ithaca, for instance.
    And this link, I didn't find on Google, but on Bing.

    jeez, thanks Ms Zorba (none / 0) (#40)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:57:16 PM EST
    But, you see what I mean? simple enough question, right? how many freakin churches in NYS?

    I bet they could answer, "how many hemorrhoids does ole Shooter entertain?



    I know what you're saying, Shooter (none / 0) (#41)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:11:29 PM EST
    And it's true that most search engines have gone over to "the dark side" when it comes to searches, because they are trying to get more and more advertising dollars.
    But, OTOH, the more free-wheeling days of the internet are very largely over- they're all looking for the Benjamins.
    And also, search engines have always been powered a great deal by how many people actually searched for and clicked on the thing you are looking for- the more "hits" on that request, the higher that will be on the search list (well, aside from the "paid" stuff, which is becoming more and more common).
    I guess what I'm saying is, it's not just the commercial aspects of search engines that are hampering your search, but I'm guessing that there are just not a whole he!! of a lot of people "searching" for Christian churches in New York State, as opposed to Tennessee.  Which may say a lot about New York versus Tennessee.  Which, IMHO, reads as advantage: New York.  ;-)

    Too many, that's how many. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Angel on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:19:11 PM EST
    Haha (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:52:45 PM EST
    whenever i get tapes from TN I tell my husband to just go ahead and put me down now. They are so hard to understand because of the mumbling and then the strange verb tenses and things that make spelling check nuts like they's or they is. And then there's the extra R in everything like I'm going to worsh my hair. People think it's Kentucky where people talk like that but honestly the people in KY talk more like people in OH than people in TN.

    as in (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Amiss on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:03:10 PM EST
    "Dr. Pepper dope" and my favorite is " I knowed it was you when I seed ya so I wretched out and wove at ya".

    Enough with the TN talk! (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by the capstan on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:15:12 AM EST
    Ga, my great-granddad was born in Marietta, SC, in 1826; granddad was born in East Tennessee.  Which brings up something that the University of Tennessee AND the State of Tennessee used to say all the time:  there are three (3) states of Tennessee: East, Middle, and West.  Very, very different as to population, geography, and accent.
    I have the East Tenn. drawl and say Knoxvulle instead of Knoxville.  (I grew up all over the eastern US, but sister didn't: she has a diamond rang and I have a diamond ring.)  Dad was born in Ky. and grew up in Nashville, and he said 'de-po and po-lice.  May be y'all are talkin' country, not city?
    Try on the 'Char'ston' accent for size:  "me-at me at the ga-et at a-et."

    You in eastern Tennessee? (none / 0) (#82)
    by Amiss on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:57:58 PM EST
    I know they used to have the Church of Christ headquarters in Cleveland.

    Why, who axed ya? (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:29:12 PM EST
    Lol, Nashville

    LOL...you don't speak MT? (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:30:40 PM EST
    we are talking about Facebook friends and family we are dropping/ignoring for the duration. I think SMA is the physical condition her son has. Not sure what it stands for though!

    Yeah, did you ever watch "Family Guy?" (none / 0) (#36)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:43:25 PM EST
    You know that skinny blond guy, a reglar on the program? THAT'S what everyone sounds like. I mean, how many times can you say, "Huh?"

    Lemme tell you how these "flyover" folks really are different. Whenever one of my new friends introduces me to someone new, they always emote sounds like, "I want you to meet our new friend, "Shooter." "He's from New York." "Go ahead, Shooter, say something in New York."

    I don't think these psalm sucking whittlers know NY is a State.


    You facebook me though? (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:56:33 AM EST
    I was looking for you but (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:19:57 AM EST
    I think I am spelling it wrong and my laptop with the email died a couple of weeks ago...could you email me again? It would be fun to inject some MT into my page.

    I have some other friends you can connect to (none / 0) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:21:01 PM EST
    too.  I have just started picking up more lefty bloggers as friends.

    Spinal muscular atrophy (none / 0) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:44:14 PM EST
    I do believe.

    SMA is a form of muscular dystrophy (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:35:38 AM EST
    Josh has a form of muscular dystrophy too but his is static, it isn't progressive.  When he was smaller and we were in Colorado where the MD assoc is very strong, I used to do some fundraising work and befriended a few SMA moms. It can be hard though at times when realizing that most of the kids with MD will have even greater challenges than Josh and shorter lives.  Josh's type of MD is the most rare and not lethal.  The deformity that it causes is what threatens his life.

    Do it. C'mon, what are you waiting for? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 02:22:10 PM EST
    Ask yourself, "Who really cares what your sister-in-law thinks?"

    You already know the answer to that one. She clearly does, and you quite obviously don't.

    By your own acount, you've already ignored her once. You can do it again.

    So, just do it. You know you want to.

    Now's your chance. Send it to her. Make. Her. Skull. Pop.


    You almost had me doing it (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:25:58 PM EST
    But she is such a crazy drama queen...she fits the rightie victim mentality to a tee. Just loves to fight dirty. It just isn't worth it to fight with her. I love my brother too much to get her riled up at me.

    Thanksgiving dinner with your family must be (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:35:48 PM EST
    so, well, interesting. I picture you, ruffian, drinking pretty consistently from beginning to end. :-)

    My family certainly has its issues. Thankfully, though, we have no Republicans in our fold. So, while we may argue personal issues and fight about familial matters, we are all on the same side of the political spectrum.

    Oh sure, some of us are farther to the left than others, but we are all firmly to the left of center. And we have not a single "independent" or "undecided" voter in our clan.


    Same here, casey (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 04:43:34 PM EST
    No "righties" left in my family since the older generation has passed away.
    And, thank goodness, we don't argue about personal or familial matters.  Although that may be because I have become the "family matriarch" and they may all be deferring to me- who knows?
    And when the he!! did I become "the matriarch"??? Jeez, I'm getting old.   :-(

    As promised in the recent past (none / 0) (#53)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:04:41 PM EST
    You are both welcome to my too-far-gone righty cousins. They are incapable of having a fifteen minute conversation without spiraling into the barely veiled racist, homophobic, 1 percenter invectives. And they're not even Christians. They my formerly likeable Jewish cousins who used to be kinda fun and funny.

    "Take my cousin, please."


    Oh, I am so sorry, shoephone! (none / 0) (#56)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:26:15 PM EST
    With my older relatives, who have all "passed on," we used to have some of the same types of conversations.  Although I must say, they were not as racist and homophobic as your cousins appear to be.  They were mostly on the order of:
    let us be "more supportive" of big business types, and "unions are bad" types and "too many restrictions on businesses are bad" types.  Which I could never understand, because none of them were business owners.  And I always thought that they were voting against their own economic self-interests.

    Lol- I don't want to rag on her too much but (none / 0) (#99)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:50:26 AM EST
    suffice it to say that when I go to their house for Thanksgiving my brother and I sneak vodka into any mixer we can get our hands on....

    Honestly when it is a majority my own family situation we get along great. But when my siblings married they all moved to where the in laws  were. I really think it was partially a move by the in laws to break up our six- sibling cabal.


    So, your sister-in-law gets to express ... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:31:46 PM EST
    ... whatever dimwitted 25-watt political thought passes through her Fox-News-addled brain, just because she has a 200-watt mouth -- while you just get to sit there with your eyes wide open and your own mouth shut?

    No offense intended, but that doesn't sound like a very equitable or respectful family dynamic to me.

    Rather, I fear that by staying quiet, you are merely reinforcing her cockeyed notion that only her own points of view -- political and otherwise -- are to be considered valid, and that she's free to rudely disparage the personal thoughts and opinions of anyone else who doesn't agree in lockstep with her.

    I'm sorry, but it's time for us to firmly re-establish a healthy and robust political discourse in this country. And it's obviously not healthy when in the misguided interest that we're somehow "keeping the peace," we're so polite to a fault that we would allow the loudmouths on the other side to shout others down, and then monopolize the public discussion with their equivocating bullsh*t.

    Now, I'm no longer jesting. Were I you, I'd send that "crazy drama queen" of a sister-in-law the e-mail with the mocking photo of Paul Ryan, and also CC everyone else in the family, too. Put her -- and them, too -- on notice that you are not her political doormat, and if she wants to dish it out, then she better learn to take it, too.

    And you know, if she really doesn't want to hear it, then maybe she'll finally learn to keep her own big mouth shut after she gets challenged enough times. Let her be the primary keeper of the family peace, for a change.

    Aloha -- and good luck.


    You describe it perfectly (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:36:24 PM EST
    and you know what, you are right. I'm doing it.

    Done...and let me predict her first comment (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:39:33 PM EST
    'i wont look at liberal crap with cuss words'

    This is why (none / 0) (#44)
    by kmblue on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:49:39 PM EST
    I don't do Facebook.

    Between you and me and everyone else, ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:53:20 PM EST
    ... my sentiments exactly.

    David Letterman (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:54:42 PM EST
    on Paul Ryan's cool workout.

    Charlie P on his game (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by smott on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 01:09:16 PM EST
    WHacks it out of the park!


    Read on for the diff between Ryan and Palin....


    So was Joe Biden. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:19:36 PM EST
    Let's be sure to give credit where it's properly due. Only the most willfully blind of Republican partisans could not bring themselves to admit that the vice president opened up a big can of whoopass on Golden Boy last night.

    Because if Paul Ryan is supposed to represent both the GOP's best and its brightest, and further offers us a glimpse into that party's future, then such a future quite obviously won't be ready for prime time until long after we're all dead and buried.

    And for exposing the flim-flamming Wizard of Oz behind the curtain for all to see, Joe Biden deserves both our respect and our gratitude. He inhabited his role as Toto with gusto and verve, and chewed to pieces the Wicked Witch of the West's Flying Monkey last night, having taken to heart the threat to "get you, my pretty -- and your little dog, too!"


    And you KNOW Biden hit it out ... (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:28:12 PM EST
    ... of the park, when GOP arguments about the vice president's debate performance are reduced to plaintive whining about his smile and criticism of Martha Raddatz as the moderator.

    The worst question she asked, in my (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:44:15 PM EST
    opinion, was the abortion question.  Why?  Because she framed it entirely in the context of religion and left women out of the issue completely; it was as if we just didn't exist except as incubators.

    It was all about hearing from, as was said on Salon

    two religiously observant white men about their personal experiences with women's reproductive freedom and access!

    Add to that her false portayal of Social Security as a program that affects the budget - which it does not, as it has its own dedicated funding stream - and what you have is a debate moderator who seemed to do a better job by virtue of being more engaged with the participants, but who ended up perpetuating some significant misperceptions - and worse, no one called her on it.


    Thanks for the link (none / 0) (#111)
    by BackFromOhio on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 12:48:21 PM EST

    Well, the magic of the Orioles' season (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:18:35 PM EST
    is over...sigh.  That it had to come against the Yankees stings more than if it had come against almost any other team, but these guys have nothing to be ashamed of, especially considering where they were even last year - not to mention the 14 years before that.  This team really did have something special - guess we won't know til next season whether they can hang onto it.  If nothing else, the post season experience is invaluable.

    Now I get to root for the Tigers to knock the Yankees out of it.

    For most baseball fans, a just-concluded ... (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:37:03 PM EST
    ... season can be easily summed up in five simple, monosyllabic words:

    "Just wait 'til next year!"

    I also agree with jondee's sentiment expressed earlier, in which she said that rooting for the Yankees is like cheering for the Rockefellers and Standard Oil.


    Hey, i think the Cubs might (none / 0) (#72)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:42:48 PM EST
    have "Just wait 'til next year," copyrighted. Just sayin'.

    You're probably right about that. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:57:39 AM EST
    In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs' copyright on the tagline is well over 100 years old, since it's been that long since they last won the World Series.

    My late paternal grandfather, a diehard Cubs fan from Wheeling IL who was born in 1912, once lamented to me a few months before he died in 2002 that he regretted that the team couldn't win a single World Series in his lifetime, but then quipped, " -- and probably not in yours, either!"


    Derek (none / 0) (#94)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:50:48 AM EST
    Jeter is not Standard Oil.

    He's sure not "Mr. October," either. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:01:23 AM EST
    However, I do hear from the grapevine that he's currently in the running to be named the Yankees' "Mr. June."

    Last (none / 0) (#97)
    by lentinel on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 04:13:34 AM EST
    night he was Mr. October.

    He helped squash an eighth inning rally by the Orioles.

    And he is Mr. October during the spring and summer months as well. Where would the Yanks be without him.

    A great baseball player imo.


    i can't believe this........... (none / 0) (#89)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:18:45 PM EST
    The cardinals, who fell behind, 0-6, are up 9-6, I think.

    Davey Johnson (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:38:37 PM EST
    may be questioning himself the entire off-season. He'd only used his closer three straight games one time all year and that was for a total of only 5 outs and 22 pitches.

    He tried the three days again but this time for 9 outs, a total of 70 pitches, and it all collapsed.

    Only a die-hard Cardinal fan could enjoy what happened to the Nats tonight.


    Oh, have I got a mind full for you! (none / 0) (#90)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:38:33 PM EST
    All I can say is, "are you nuts, or something?" ("Nothing to be ashamed of" Duh...really?) These kids trotted off the playground and took The Bronx Bombers to the final out of the final game of the playoff. A play off they had no business even having wet dreams about. A tiny bounce, an inch here, or there, and they would've swept the mighty Yanks.

    This bunch of kids took on the highest payroll in all of sports...."25 Secretariats," and came within a snotball of kicking their butts.

    Derek Jeter, for Christ's sake, didn't dare come out of the game, broken/fractured foot and all, for fear of having his season cut short. Do you think that Jeter, probably the most valuable sports commodity there is, and/or Yankee Mgm'nt, would risk a career ending episode if they didn't feel they were within a pubic hair of getting beat?

    "Nothing to be ashamed of........."

    I'm so mad#$@&

    I got one thing to say to you, Anne:

    "Go to your room!"


    Argo--Spoiler Alert--kinda (5.00 / 5) (#79)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    Good movie worth seeing.

    At the very end, as the credits were rolling, I said out loud in the theater "Eff U, Reagan."

    What a horrid President....so much of what is wrong with this country goes back to Reagan.  He got a lot of innocent people killed.

    Seeing it this afternoon (none / 0) (#100)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:52:02 AM EST
    Looking forward to an 'eff you Reagan' moment. Bonus!

    I was nice-- (none / 0) (#106)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:06:46 AM EST
    I actually said the word "eff;"  I did not write that as a euphemism for the more Anglo Saxon version.

    Don't leave early.  The credits are full of extra footage and story.


    Great movie (none / 0) (#116)
    by kmblue on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:30:58 AM EST
    saw it Saturday at a sparsely populated matinee.
    Had me on the edge of my seat even though I knew how it ended (from history, kiddies).

    Thanks for the heads up (none / 0) (#124)
    by sj on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:20:08 AM EST
    But I always stay through the very end of the credits.   I can't read every credit, of course, because they scroll by too fast for that.  

    But I do it because a few years ago a good friend revealed that she was a stuntwoman in a movie made about three years before.  It got me thinking about how a lot of people contribute to the creation of a movie and they should all be acknowledged as much as possible.

    So I stay.  And try to read.  And also have no crowds to fight in the restroom afterward :)


    Romney learned the art (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:50:34 PM EST
    of lying from his upper-echelon brand of Mormonism.  It is coloquially known as "Lying for the Lord."

    I am tired of being queasy about looking at the kind of Mormon Romney is.  He is not a rank and file member.  It is as if he were an Opus Dei Monsignor running for President who reports to the Vatican.

    Upper echelon Mormons have deveoped an ethos that loyalty and the need to win trumps the truth.  The Mormon Royalty started doing this in the 1800s to cloak their polygamy.

    The practice continues today in an effort to dissemble about difficult issues of Church history and doctrine.  Boyd K. Packer, the next in line to be Church President, has said in a widely published article that Church leaders should only teach faith promoting storeis, and that some truths are not helpful.

    Modern LDS scholars who have published some very embarrasing articles about Church history have been excommunicated.  D. Michael Quinn is foremost among them.

    Mitt's connection?  He flew to Salt Lake City with Reagan pollster Wirthlin to meet with members of the Quorom of the Twelve, the top governing body of the Church, aside from the First Presidency, to explain/get permission to be pro-choice to win a state wide race in Massachusetts.

    JFK never flew to the Vatican to ask permission for any of his policies, lest anyone raise his Houston speech.

    Romney's hawkishness stems from his LDS belief that the Second Coming will begin with a war in the Middle East.  That is why in his 47% comments he said that peace in the Middle East was not possible.


    The Mormon (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 06:26:19 AM EST
    religion is an odd "religion" to me even if it is a "religion". It really seems to be set up more like Amway to me than a traditional religion.

    All that being said, do we really want a religious litmus test for office? That is where you seem to be going with all this.


    A litmus test... (none / 0) (#101)
    by unitron on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 07:51:42 AM EST
    ...would be "You have to specifically believe religious tenets X, Y, and Z to get my vote."

    This is more along the lines of "Whatever your religion is is your business, unless it's going to have some secret or otherwise unacknowledged influence on your actions in office if elected, in which case it's a valid concern."

    And frankly the religious types who were very anti-Christ killer right up until they figured that Israel's existence is going to bring Jesus back (which unfortunately also means lots of war and death and destruction and the end of the world and inconvenient stuff like that), and who then suddenly became their bestest buddies, well, those people make me very nervous.


    Harry Reid is active LDS too (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:34:28 AM EST
    It is what kind of Mormon Romney is.

    The Romney narrative is that he is a man destined by God to rule the U.S.  Ann's sense of entitlement comes not just from her wealth.

    The Mitt story includes his being almost killed in an auto accident while on his Mission in France.  That would seem rather unremarkable.  But at the time Romney was an Assistant to the President, typically one of two Missionaries (since they must always have a companion) who serve as co Chief of Staffs.  The accident killed the Mission President, so Romney actually took over the entire Mission (typically some 200 odd missionaires and small otherwise leaderless congregations.)  The kicker--Romney was declared and reported as being killed in the accident.

    So, Mitt Miracle number one.  Told at the convention to the extent anyone cared.

    The most recent miracle.  The Church members were fasting and praying in great numbers for Romney in the first debate.  He as David ventured forth and with the power of God beat the most eloquent politician of our time.

    Romney during the 2008 primiaries got into a very testy exchange with an Evangelical radio talk show host over the unique views of Mormons about the Second Coming of Christ.  Romeny did admit that accoridng to LDS belief Jesus will first return to Israel as part of a great war, but will then settle in Missouri to rule the world from that location.  Point being Romney knows his apocalyptic theology well.

    He was given the Salk Lake Olympics after Tom Welch, another LDS Stake President, ran into trouble.  Romney had very little connection to Utah, having only attended BYU as an undergraduate.  Romney has been groomed for a long time by the LDS leaderhsip.

    And the current Mormon religion demands everything of their members--on a much greater scale than any other contemporary major religion.  "Obedience" to Church doctrine and Church leaders is constantly emphasized.  As is the Law of Consecration, where all must given to the Church. It is more authoritarian than Catholicism.  The Mormon Church President is a  prophet akin to Moses whose word matters more than any scripture or prior doctrine.  One's Bishop and Stake President must be obeyed; hence, all the Mormon volunteers in California supporting Prop 8.  The Church is more relentlessly dogmatic than Evangelicals who are typically Protestant in not having all-powerful individual leaders but a loose structure.

    Someone high up in the leadersip structure of such an organization should be viewed with caution.

    If Mitt wins, we will get no policy at odds with LDS Church doctrine.


    If Romney wins, (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:49:37 AM EST
    then the two most powerful people in the U.S. will be active LDS:  Romney as President and Harry Reid as Majority Leader in the Senate, assuming the Democrats hold the Senate.  The Udalls are not active LDS.  And Tweety's reference to Utah Senator Frank Moss, does not apply, as Moss was Jack Mormon.

    Thank God, Harry is an entirely different type of Mormon.  A convert and a mutt from nowhere in Nevada who has never held any kind of significant leadership position in the Church.  A Stake Seventy, which is pretty analogous to head usher on Sundays.

    Mitt would appeal to Reid as a Brother Latter-day Saint.  It would be a sight to behold.  My sense is that Reid would know how full of it and himself Romney is.


    yeah, I'm also nervous (none / 0) (#3)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 12:14:34 PM EST
    about your yankees...can't believe the O's did that in the 13th.  I think it was lyin' Ryan's lyin' eyes that did that to Jeralyn.  Get well girl.

    Yeah, the Yank's (none / 0) (#4)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 12:20:52 PM EST
    stranding men in scoring position is breaking records this series. A-Rod is contagious.

    Mr Choketober.. (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:54:39 PM EST
    But then, I've always thought rooting for the Yankees was like rooting for John D Rockefeller's Standard Oil..

    Feel better J... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 12:55:42 PM EST
    curse you Mitt Romney, now its personal;)

    And you feel better too BTD, after the O's kick some arse in the BX tonight.  Joe G better start Ibanez over A-Dead Wood to give your boys a prayer.

    As for me, I know I'll be feeling good...got a little Mardi Gras party tonight with Fish Head Stew, an ensemble of some of The Radiators and The New Orleans Suspects.  Good time party music.  Then its off to NJ for my cousin's wedding and the reception uber-bender Saturday.  Dead man walking, dead man walking here...;)

    Living dead man walking, that is (none / 0) (#13)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 02:32:48 PM EST
    No better way to die.

    Have a killer weekend, my man. Things have been crazy on the SF peninsula the last few weeks. For the diary crazy. But all the good now.



    I can think of better ways... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:31:19 PM EST
    but to each their own and let freedom ring! ;)

    Hope nothing crazy bad went down...link up the witty write ups holmes, you know I eat it up.

    I can regretfully officially advise I'm out for the Johnnies game in December.  Booked for a jaunt to Guadalajara to see the special lady 11/9-11/18, we're gonna hit up Veracruz or Merida, still deciding.  After that I'm a pauper for awhile...a very happy pauper. I can't believe what this wedding is gonna cost...had to bite the bullet and buy a new suit, my old one is pushing 15 years old...I woulda seen your L.E.S. tailor but feared the hard up-sell, Willy Loman got you I'd have no chance;)  That plus envelope plus hotel room plus gas and tolls plus enough tea to get everyone off, this thing is gonna cost 800 freakin' bucks.  I'm gonna do my damndest to get half that back in open bar booze;)


    Trip sounds hellaciously grand (none / 0) (#22)
    by Dadler on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:50:55 PM EST
    Can't blame you for putting D-1 hoops a notch or two beneath such romantic adventures.

    Someday the last few weeks will get the lit'rary treatment.  Need some distance and POV tho. Ah life!

    As for Willy Loman, aka Samuel Gluck, you were best to steer clear. You'da walked outta there dressed to the nines, but MANY tens lighter in the billfold.


    Veracruz or Merida, huh? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:59:09 PM EST
    Well, for what it's worth, I'd vote for Merida -- which would allow the both of you to pay respectful homage to the Mayan calendar that's supposed to expire for all eternity on December 21, and take all of us with it.

    Strong rumor (none / 0) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:31:39 PM EST
    Alex is on the pine in the decider

    That's a darn shame. (none / 0) (#25)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:57:19 PM EST
    He has been one of our best weapons.

    Nobody (none / 0) (#52)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:43:38 PM EST
    makes her bleed her own blood!  Nobody!

    Have a great weekend, but stay away from that alcohol poisoning, mister.


    Tomorrow marks ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 02:53:03 PM EST
    ... the 220th anniversary of the White House -- or maybe not.

    Here's a rather interesting story about the mystery of the lost White House cornerstone as told by the late Hugh Sidey, the Time magazine columnist whose sole beat for almost 50 years was the American presidency.

    Speaking of gloss overs, Slado (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 03:29:59 PM EST
    Nobody can gloss over the twin facts that "Obamacare" was Romneycare, and that we went into debt to the Chinese to pay for two wars while cutting taxes for your beloved patriotic, troops-supporting 1%.

    If you have a gloss on those glaring realities, bring it.

    51.4 million people watched the VP debate (none / 0) (#43)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 05:48:56 PM EST
    I guess I don't know much about debates generally, that number surprised me.  67.2 watched the first Presidential debate.

    Since my football team's season (none / 0) (#49)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:27:14 PM EST
    is over, I enjoyed the Biden/Suslov (Oh, I mean the OTHER theoretician, Ryan) debate. I wish Joe had shown even less respect to the silly statements and lies.

    Oh, you roustabout (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:08:39 PM EST
    You made me google Suslov.

    This one?

    P.S. Hope things are still on the upside for you.


    That's the fellow! (none / 0) (#57)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:26:23 PM EST
    Going all right, i suppose. Recovering from surgery, getting ready to declare bankruptcy. thought I had an insurance policy lined up, but no.  If I get sick, I'll go to the emergency room until I get medicaid.

    Life could be worse. Plenty of time to think, relax, ponder... volunteer at two libraries since I can't find a job, volunteer at a grade school, also, and with scouts. No political stuff with 9 year olds... just the basics.

    Gonna talk to SS about disability. Not hopeful, but i have to explore it since health is an issue.

    I'm about ready to post again. Finished a draft of a novel, but I've let Dadler down. I need to do some TV treatments. I was enjoying writing and re-writing, though. I expect about... no sales. Oh well, it's done, time to think locally and more. I've missed the folks here, but life does get in the way of blogging at times.


    Jeff, my brother, (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:30:38 PM EST
    We worry about you.  Keep on trucking, and realize that we hope for the best.
    And how is your son doing?
    Namaste, my friend.

    ty Zorba. (none / 0) (#59)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:39:36 PM EST
    The boy is better in some ways, but we're going through all sorts of diagnoses. We're looking at Asparger's with the ADHD complication. Incredibly intelligent, but some issues that are not in the normal realm. May not be Asparger's but something else within the autism spectrum.

    We're going to keep checking, though. He's a great child, but when homework time comes, even if it's easy for him, he goes off. LAst night, for the first time, I wrote "refused" on homework papers. I was too emotionally worn out to do more. Besides, we should be spending 20-40 minutes on homework, not 3-4 hours, including meltdowns.

    He loves cub scouts, hates selling popcorn, and in the spring he'll be playing LaCrosse.


    I so have been there (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:49:00 PM EST
    with the 6 hours of homework that should take 60 minutes, the constant do your homework, the tears, the meltdowns the whole shebang. It was a literal nightmare. And then I had a little toddler when I was going through this too and I really feel bad because the baby was virtually ignored so much when you have another child that sucks all the oxygen out of the room.

    The whole homework and school (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:58:41 PM EST
    thing drives me absolutely nuts.  The schools are focused on getting the kids prepared for the mandated tests, and never mind those kids who learn differently, who have learning disabilities, who have emotional, psychological, social, or whatever problems.  They are supposed to fit into the little round holes, but if your kid is a ""square peg," then it is not the school's problem.
    I despair.  I have so many parents who have begged me to start my own school, and I have tried to help them in so many ways, but I am simply too old and disabled to do do that.  I do tutor, and help as much asI can, and act as parent advocate for them when they go to IEP meetings.  But I cannot help them all, and it frustrates the he!! out of me.

    I realize that (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:49:02 PM EST
    you are going through your own huge medical problems, but if you need to talk more about your son and his problems, please feel free to email me.  I have more than a little experience in this field.
    And I agree about the homework thing- 3-4 hours for a child who has such problems (or any child, for that matter)  is simply not acceptable.

    Your life is very...full! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:56:50 PM EST
    So sorry to hear about the insurance situation. I hope SS can help. (I also hope that you'll reconsider allowing some of us here to send something your way...)

    If it's any consolation, your son reminds me of my brother when he was growing up. He was never diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm certain he was. Couldn't sit still, hated school. Turned out he was really smart, just wasn't able to fit into the straight-laced, traditional, obedience-minded school situations. If your boy can get accurately diagnosed then you'll know what the options are.

    Best of everything, Jeff.

    And, as a fellow writer, I urge you on! It's tough. Maybe you can really join forces somehow with the prolific Dadler.


    Jeff, I have gone through the entire SS (none / 0) (#70)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:29:37 PM EST
    disability process. If you want to chat about it just send me an email.

    Have you been able to get the wee lad insured through S-Chip?  I don't know the medicaid rules in Alabama, but in some states if you have a child on medicaid (S-chip), you the parent can also get coverage.

    Good for you for finishing the first draft of your novel. If you ever need/want someone to read and comment, I, and I am sure others here, would be happy to do so.

    If you have to go to the ER, and they give you any flack, just tell them Mitt sent you.


    WELCOME (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:41:14 PM EST
    BACK. I actually had been concerned about you and was thinking about emailing you yesterday!

    Now we just need a few more to start visiting again like Captain Howdy and who else has been missing lately? There was another name but my mind is drawing a blank on that....


    gyrfalcon seems to have vanished (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:22:48 PM EST
    from TL. It is too early in the season for Vermont to be snowed-in. So, i hope it's that she is very busy, and not that something is wrong.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:44:57 PM EST
    i hope she is fine too.

    I've seen her on Kevin Drum (none / 0) (#77)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:16:58 PM EST
    posting intelligently of course :)

    I'll be trying to re-join the regular (none / 0) (#66)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:17:54 PM EST
    posters. After all, life without posting was pretty darned quiet. Still going through a lot. Across the street neighbors gave my son a 300 power microscope. He's so fascinated. Tomorrow I'll go fishing, he'll bring it along, and examine water, scales, pine needles...

    He's not one for the straight and narrow education. I've been honest with him and told him I dropped out, joined the Army, then the Legion, then the Army again. And when I grew up, I went to college, grad school, etc. I wanted to teach him to hold his mouth like I didn't, but it's too late. "Why" and "what if" are his two favorite question beginnings.

    As to Dadler, I admire the quantity and quality of his output. I'm just a southern boy... I gotta ponder things for a while, chew on my quid of tobacco, and then ponder some more...


    I know it's very hard (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 08:43:12 PM EST
    For months I had bill collectors calling me with all kinds of threats because they wanted the FULL balance on my bills RIGHT THEN. And I had insurance. And i'm still paying and I'm going to be paying for quite a while longer. I have not really figured out the date I will be done because it's just too depressing. So while I don't know all your specifics do know that there is someone out there who has a "kind of" similar situation. The most depressing thing for me was you find out you have cancer and the d*mn hospital is calling the next day wanting a payment before you even go to the hospital. Then they send someone in your room when you're really not even well yet wanting a credit card for payment in full and this is AFTER they told you NOT to bring any credit cards to the hospital because they could get stolen.

    You should really be grateful for your son. He sounds like a blessing (except for the meltdowns).  Sounds like he also is good at keeping your mind off the stupid "disease"


    Can I get an Amen? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Rojas on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:32:09 PM EST
    Damn good thing the Clinton's scoffed at any health care reform (that did not benefit them politically) 20 years ago.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:10:14 AM EST
    another fan of Bob Dole's HCR. I hate to tell you but passing Bob Dole's HCR back in the 90's would have changed nothing. I would still have the above problems. It's a plan that's designed to fail.

    In you're case no change (none / 0) (#117)
    by Rojas on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 10:16:17 AM EST
    There really is no cure for those who pull the wool over their own eyes.
    For the millions forced into bankruptcy, for those made wholly unemployable due to no fault of their own, for those who paid into a system their entire lives only to be dropped like a hot potato as soon as any substantial claim is made, for those whom the wolf has actually been at the door a little triage would have gone a long way.
    Yes, the employer based system is designed to fail.

    The fissures were already there when the Clintons started dealing aces to the investor class with nary a face card for those forced into a system of wage arbitrage with the third world.


    Absolutely ... (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:09:40 PM EST
    The fissures were already there when the Clintons started dealing aces to the investor class with nary a face card for those forced into a system of wage arbitrage with the third world.

    ... ridiculous.

    Talk about "pulling the wool over their own eyes".


    People (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:20:07 PM EST
    are still going to go into bankruptcy with the ACA. The majority of Americans who declare medical bankruptcy have insurance, people who are "unemployable" through not fault of their own still have that problem. The aca changed none of that.

    What they scoffed at ... (none / 0) (#119)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 12:11:19 PM EST
    ... was the Republican plan of '94, ...

    ... otherwise known as Obamacare.

    As they should have ...


    I think (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:24:34 PM EST
    a lot of people ignore the fact that if clinton had passed bob dole's HRC it is likely that George W. Bush would have undone any requirements for the insurance companies to follow and just left the mandates.

    ... and Howard Berman, two Democrats who are in a tightly contested run-off election against one another in their newly-reapportioned San Fernando Valley district, show us all what NOT to do when engaging your political opponent in public debate, which happened at Pierce College last night.

    Suffice to say that these two guys really don't appear to care much for one another.

    I'd have pulled my knife and cut (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 06:32:31 PM EST
    'em. Too close is just too close. Of course, the votes that would get might be folks who can't vote...

    They probably heard we were looking for ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by RonK Seattle on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:04:08 PM EST
    ... "fighting Democrats".

    and there you have it BTD... (none / 0) (#54)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 07:07:52 PM EST
    now they're going to have a tough series with Detroit who, as you know, is very dangerous against the Yankees.

    Yup, The "Yankee Killers" (none / 0) (#78)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 09:29:09 PM EST
    I remember Harvey Keene and Al Kaline in the 50's.

    didn't matter what their over all record was, against the Yankees they were "Terminators."


    They had that pitcher, Frank Lary, (none / 0) (#85)
    by desertswine on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 10:38:32 PM EST
    who was thee Yankee Killer.  The nickname was won due to his 27-10 record against the New York Yankees from 1955 to 1961.  (according to wiki)

    Oh yeah, son of a ....... (none / 0) (#88)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 12, 2012 at 11:16:40 PM EST
    Frank Lary, how could I have forgotten about him?

    Good call, DS

    and, since you mentioned it.......1955.

    Something else happened to the yankees that year, IIRC. Another young pitcher, Johny Podres, not yet out of the service I think, gave my Bronx Bombers a not-so-friendly Brooklyn cheer.....lol


    That was the year... (none / 0) (#92)
    by desertswine on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 01:02:22 AM EST
    my Dad bought a pink 1955 Chevrolet Bel-air. It was PINK!

    1955 Chevrolet Bel-air. (none / 0) (#115)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:05:52 PM EST
    I can't believe it! The first car we ever owned, after coming to America, and after saving for five years, was a 1955 Chevy Bel-air. It was the first year chevy made a two-tone and ours was gray & white. Total cost, $2100.

    What memories.....thanks, DS