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    I just saw (5.00 / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:52:10 PM EST
    My Weekend With Marilyn.  Michelle Williams is mesmerizing.
    I have not seen Iron Lady yet but I have no doubt Meryl will be as well.

    but I have hopes for a dark horse (no silly pun intended) in the oscars.

    Viola Davis in The Help.  that is one amazing little movie and she is totally amazing.  she always is.  she was in Solaris, she was in Doubt, in Syriana, in Far From Heaven and pretty much everything I have ever seen her do.  I would love to see her recognized.

    A friend's young son has been pretty heroically (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:05:47 PM EST
    fighting cancer for the past year and a half or so.

    He's in a music video that you can watch here: Sound of the Heart. Have your tissues handy.

    If you are interested, buying the song in the video through iTunes helps raise funds for an organization that helps child cancer patients like Kevin.

    Peace.

    is that him? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:08:39 PM EST
    it doesnt say.  very moving.

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    I see (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:09:32 PM EST
    he is the one in the dark blue shirt?

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    Sorry, Kevin's the one with no hair. (none / 0) (#8)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:12:31 PM EST


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    Oh, I'm so sorry (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:51:17 PM EST
    for your friend's son and his family- what a brave kid!  

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    and talented (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:26:51 PM EST


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    not sure if I posted (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:48:02 PM EST
    the pics of my dogs and their new best friends the horses next door.

    they love each other.  every time I let the dogs out the horses trot up to nose them.

    Man (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:51:03 PM EST
    you're just loving life right now aren't you? You're fixing tarts for the neighbors and letting the dogs play with horses. Looks like you live out in the country.

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    I am actually (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:26:01 PM EST
    I live just outside the city limits of a tiny (beautiful)  mountain town but close enough to have city water and a hydrant in front of the house and trash pickup.
    I only have one close neighbor, the horse owner, and there is a dense wall of vegetation between us in the summer.
    I love it here.  I was born to live in this house.

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    view from the back porch (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:34:38 PM EST
    whats not to love

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    Is that snow (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:59:56 PM EST
    on the ground? Looks kind of dreary to me now but I bet it's beautiful in the spring through fall.


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    I like the snow (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:29:32 PM EST
    that is the only snow we have had.  its about 70 right now.  I want more.

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    Pretty dogs n/t (none / 0) (#41)
    by Yman on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:36:37 PM EST


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    my babies (5.00 / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:40:45 PM EST
    Daisy and Ghost

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    TeeeeeeBone (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 01:47:55 PM EST
    did I get that right?

    Baseball HOF today (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:02:25 PM EST
    Barry Larkin voted into Cooperstown for you Reds fans.

    Bagwell got Shafted Again (none / 0) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:38:13 PM EST


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    Next Year... (none / 0) (#19)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:40:58 PM EST
    ...should be a big deal with lots of controversy.

    Eligible: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, and Curt Schilling.

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    I Agree You 100%... (none / 0) (#47)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:46:12 PM EST
    ...but in reality, I think Bonds get in first time and Clemens will, eventually.  Sosa, coin flip.

    And I don't think Shilling will ever make it.

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    Bill Daly resigning (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:03:25 PM EST
    O on the tube now.  hmmmmm

    After his demotion (none / 0) (#10)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:18:18 PM EST

    it is a small bit of a surprise it took this long.

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    Here's a question (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:14:05 PM EST
    I have not been able to answer or find an definitive answer to anywhere, so your thoughts please.

    The NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act - HR 1540) is passed every year by congress.

    It would appear that there is only one HR 1540 in effect at any give time - the last one passed and signed into law.

    This year HR 1540 included Sections 1031 and 1032 - the Indefinite Detention provisions.

    Question: Does each years NDAA supersede in entirety the previous years NDAA, including all non-budgetary provisions or riders?

    Or to put it another way, if in the 2013 NDAA and/or subsequent NDAA's there is no language specifically invalidating Sections 1031 and 1032 of the the 2012 bill, do those sections remain in effect as law of the land?

    Secondarily - can there be a definitive answer without a Supreme Court ruling?

    No idea as to the specifics of this one... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:12:43 PM EST
    ... but much law is written as modification to previously extant law.

    This make it easier to steal freedom from the people since no one but a few lawyers can navigate the prolix brambles of legalese.  

    More importantly, it makes it easier to steal tax dollars because no one save the few in on the lobbyist written boilerplate has any idea what's actually being orchestrated.

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    I guess it's a question (none / 0) (#57)
    by Edger on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:15:52 PM EST
    no one has any ideas on....

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    Adventure sport WOW of the year (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:20:41 PM EST
    LINK

    She was Hardly Unscathed... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:43:23 PM EST
    ...she got beat up pretty good because she has to swim through a rapids with a broken collar bone and her feet tied together.  Enough so that she was airlifted.

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    I guess I mean relative to the fall... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Dadler on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:46:18 PM EST
    ...and almost drowning.  Especially with her feet bound like they were.  Crazy.  But I take your point.  Legit for the word I chose.

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    I read her Account... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:51:50 PM EST
    ...and I think it's pretty remarkable.  The bungee cord kept getting snagged so she would dive under to un-snag it.

    Swimming with a broken collar bone should get you some kind of 'tougher then nails' award.

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    Best line in the story: what the tour operator (none / 0) (#34)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:15:41 PM EST
    responded when asked what would happen if the bungee cords broke: "We would replace it."

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    My niece (none / 0) (#58)
    by ZtoA on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:18:40 PM EST
    did that same jump less than three months ago. She sent pictures which made my stomach turn. I kinda hope she does not hear about this.

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    Cruel and Usual--for Santorum. (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:21:02 PM EST
    At the  Dublin Boarding School, in Dublin, NH, last Friday, Santorum spoke to the young student body about the "privilege" and "honor" of marriage, suggested that it is so important to have a father and mother that kids are better off with a father who is in jail, and has abandoned them,  than to have a same sex parent.  In the student audience were at least three students with same sex parents.

    Three kids don't matter, I guess (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:27:54 PM EST
    Not that you're less than or anything, kids, oh no.

    And the kids whose parents support reproductive rights for women?  Oh yeah, them too, better they give their kids up for adoption now that I think about it.  Better a married pedophile serving a life sentence be their dad.

    And the illegals, phuck them too, even if they are Catholic or Pentacostal or likely to be just as fundamentalist as I am.  I'd chew my own brain own just to be consistent.

    I am?

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    I loved the debate question (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:26:16 PM EST
    "what would you do if your son told you he was gay?"
    and Santorum waxed rhapsodic about how he would love him just as much and be the best father he could possibly be.  blah blah.

    uh huh.

    still I would love to be a fly on that wall.

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    Blah, blah (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:39:46 PM EST
    is Santorum's specialty.  As, in his quoted statement "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them other peoples' money..."   only to protest later that he really said ...make 'blah' people's lives better.   I believe him, and I am waiting for his law and order speech about "blah on blah" crime.   And, he may even influence his cohort, Rick Perry to change the name of his Texas hunting camp to "blah-head" ranch.  Yes, I believe it all.

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    heh, yeah - blah people (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:41:30 PM EST
    of all the looney toon stuff this cycle . . .

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    Doesn't really matter (none / 0) (#52)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:11:18 PM EST
    Latest Suffolk poll out today (the final poll) shows Romney at 33% in New Hampshire.  Santorum is only around 10% and even has Gingrich ahead of him.  In another poll, Romney is at 41%. There are many undecideds (so they say), but I am highly skeptical of party loyalists who say they are undecided 12 hours out from voting. It just gets them attention.

    Those who salivate at the idea of a Santorum nomination should come back to reality.  He will go quietly into that good night (or to a Fox News gig) after South Carolina and the general election will start.

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    quote(s) of the day (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:28:17 PM EST
    I enjoy firing people
               - Mitt Romney

    Gov Romney enjoys firing people. I enjoy creating jobs.

               - John Huntsman.

    its getting fun.  dont count yer chickens.

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    Huntsman's a liar (none / 0) (#75)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:27:36 PM EST
    Romney was talking about "firing" insurance companies screwing employees.

    Not a Romney fan, but faie is fair.

    And, oh, Huntsman doesn't think Paul Ryan's economic plan goes far enough....as he pounded the podium, yelling how He is the only candidate who's "serious" about how much pain he's willing to spread to what's left of the middle class.

    Great guy, that "normal" huntsman.

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    no GET OUT (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:32:03 PM EST
    you are telling me that someone is taking something Romney said completely out of context?

    you mean like this?

    sauce for the goose.  howzit feel Mittens?

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    and for the record (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:55:40 PM EST
    Perry and Gingrich are also saying it.

    karmas a b!tch aint it?

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    Knock yourself out (none / 0) (#84)
    by NYShooter on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 07:15:49 PM EST
    The truth used to matter here.

    Since you own this site now, I'll wait till the adults come back

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    I wonder if you posted any comments (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 07:40:43 PM EST
    complaining about Obama being accused of saying americans were lazy which was a compete lie?

    just wondering.

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    by Romney (none / 0) (#86)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 07:46:01 PM EST
    in an ad.  at least in this case its his republican buddies.  not Obama.

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    A defense of Obama here? (none / 0) (#89)
    by MKS on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:49:55 PM EST
    Are you delusional?

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    I try (5.00 / 0) (#92)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:30:15 PM EST


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    Yes, I know you do (none / 0) (#94)
    by MKS on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:35:15 PM EST


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    thank you Rick Perry (5.00 / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:47:19 PM EST
    Adding insult to any injury, Texas Gov. Rick Perry posted a ringtone to his campaign website that consisted of Romney saying, "I like being able to fire people," over and over.


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    Hope that you are right that (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:42:20 PM EST
    Santorum will soon go off into the night, but it should not be a quiet journey.   A political party should pay a price for a candidate like Santorum as well as for a more subtle ignoramus-- or even for  your basic demagog trolling for base voters.

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    actually (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:48:51 PM EST
    you may or may not be right about Santorum but if Huntsman does as well as its starting to look like he might tomorrow it is him that Romney, and the rest of us since he is an authentic electable conservative, should be worried about.

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    There is a reason (none / 0) (#90)
    by MKS on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:52:51 PM EST
    why Obama sent Huntsman on slow boat to China.

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    Silly Question (none / 0) (#23)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:46:44 PM EST
    Rick's kid would never tell, he would be one of those vile gayhaters who would eventually kill someone out of his own self hatred.  And the opportunistic father would blame gay people...

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    not necessarily (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:23:40 PM EST
    sometimes they take the completely opposite route and the scorn that comes with it.  cant tell you how many gay people I have known who were completely disowned by their families.  heck, I have by a portion of mine.  big loss IMO.


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    I Was Thinking More Like... (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:38:02 PM EST
    ...the kids in Wyoming who brutally killed Matthew Shepard or something like that, a rage killing in which no one discovers the real motive, self hatred, possibly even the killer.

    I'm not suggesting they were gay, but the over reaction, if it's anything like the politicians who get caught, leads me to believe there are a lot of self loathing gay people that really hate openly gay people.

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    "self loathing gay people" (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:45:16 PM EST
    you are right about that.  I have "had" a few of those.  ever see the movie "cursed".  it is a pretty common thing actually.

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    No matter what the sexual affections (none / 0) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:05:59 PM EST
    of the children may turn out to be, they will be well-mannered if they follow the work of their mother, Karen Santorum, as set forth in her book "Everyday Graces, A Child's Book of Good Manners" (2003),  complete with a preface by Coach Joe Paterno who warns against "a decline of civility and a coarsening of society."

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    Great catch. (none / 0) (#56)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:15:49 PM EST
    How did you come across that one?

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    Also, from Amazon.com: (none / 0) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:59:28 PM EST
    "Letters to Gabriel"  by  Karen Santorum,1998.  From the book description, "...a normal pregnancy ended with serious difficulties just as her husband was leading the charge against partial birth abortion."    Not sure of the interconnection,  but this book, too, bears auspicious introductions by Dr. Laura and Mother Teresa.

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    lets be honest (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:01:36 PM EST
    bringing the dead child home is creepy.  who does that?

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    Yes, but I am also fond (none / 0) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:09:57 PM EST
    of the pairing of Dr. Laura and Mother Teresa.  Sort of like in Mel Brooks, 1977 comedy,  "High Anxiety" where Mel's character, psychiatrist, Dr. Richard H. Thorndyke, has two oil paintings above his desk, one Dr. Sigmund Freud, the other, Dr. Joyce Brothers.

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    ha (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:16:13 PM EST
    more Mel Brooks references please.

    I just heard Matt Kibbe, the tea party guy, when asked how they would stop Mitt say that if things "continued the way they are going" that another candidate would get in the race.

    which happens to be exactly what I have been saying for months.  which is if Mitt is the nominee there will be a tea party candidate.  

    hello Obama second term.

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    Naw (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:27:47 PM EST
    don't bet on Obama benefiting because that candidate can hurt the D candidate like Anderson did in 1980 with Jimmy Carter and Ross Perot did to Bill Clinton in '92.

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    so (none / 0) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:33:17 PM EST
    a tea party candidate will hurt Obama as much as Romney.

    uh huh

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    The tea (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:42:52 PM EST
    party might not be the only candidate out there. And I'm not sure that the tea party can get it together enough to even field a candidate. They seem to be a disorganized mess.

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    Even Without the Paterno Quote... (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:28:20 PM EST
    ... that is hilarious.

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    wow (none / 0) (#61)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:28:56 PM EST
    down the rabbit hole we go

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    This is....... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:54:43 PM EST
    Just.....I am left speechless.  What planet is Santorum from, anyway?  What an incredible, clueless, deluded @sshole.

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    Daly (none / 0) (#15)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:34:24 PM EST
    Lots of comments about Obama's Chief of Staff being a moderate.

    Lew, Daly's replacement, is no moderate.

    dont know much about him (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:37:01 PM EST
    but he has been running the OMB right.  they have been pretty fair havent they?

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    I think it is a good choice (none / 0) (#25)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:49:33 PM EST
    He's respected on both sides of the aisle but his progressive bona fides are pretty clear.

    "He's no moderate. When Obama named Bill Daley to succeed Rahm Emanuel, it was seen as a move to shore up the president's support among business leaders and the private sector. Daley, a former JPMorgan representative, was one of them. Lew's appointment fits with the leftward, populist tone that Obama has adopted as he enters the campaign season. The new chief of staff is a staunch liberal. He started his political career canvassing for anti-war hero Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (he was 12); his adviser at Carleton College was Paul Wellstone, later an iconic liberal senator; and one of his first jobs in Washington was working for Democratic lion and former Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill. But despite his acute partisan sensibility, he has long had a reputation for earning the trust of and working well with Republicans."

    Link

    Again, if the last few months are any indication, Obama is not tacking to the right as we near elections.  He's gearing up for a populist/liberal principles fight.  The good news is that we get a year of this regardless of who wins.

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    Odd that you omitted this part of the article (none / 0) (#31)
    by BTAL on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:05:54 PM EST
    He's part of the 1 percent. Don't take that to mean that Lew is a wild-eyed socialist though. In fact, he's a former banker. In 2008, he served as chief operating officer of Citigroup Alternative Investments, a division of the Wall Street behemoth. That group was involved in controversial practices like proprietary trading, and was involved in shorting the housing market as the economy lurched toward collapse. Perhaps in keeping with his resume, Lew has rejected the view of many fellow liberals who argue that deregulation of the financial sector contributed to the crash, saying, "[I don't] personally know the extent to which deregulation drove it, but I don't believe that deregulation was the proximate cause." Expect to hear muffled howls of unhappiness from the left, which will be glad to see Daley go but upset at Lew's positions.


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    Bill Daley was just what (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 02:56:08 PM EST
    the president did not need.  In my view, he added little to the administration, either from relationships with Congress or from his former public relations-type job in business.  Politically, he seems to be cut from the cloth of the Chicago Lipinski family, and I would not deem that moderate--more blue dog than not.  Lew seems a better fit.

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    And yet...Daley is going to co-chair (none / 0) (#35)
    by Anne on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:16:06 PM EST
    the Obama re-election campaign, so Obama needs him, just not in the WH, where they are trying to pivot to a less corporate-friendly position in an effort to court the common folk whose votes they need in November.

    Jack Lew, former COO of Citigroup's Alternative Investments division, is going to finish the budget before taking over the Chief of Staff spot.

    I would be more impressed if Daley was actually out, and not just taking off one Obama hat and putting on another - I do think they want his corporate connections as fundraising goes into a higher gear.

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    That new hat is old-hat (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Towanda on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:44:37 PM EST
    as the chief of staff position was just a reward for Daley cochairing the 2008 campaign, too.

    Of course, the chief of staff position must have caused a dance in the grave rather than on it, as Daddy finally got a Daley -- and the Chicago Way -- into the White House.

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    it has the republicans (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 03:48:25 PM EST
    fearing and studying.  its ok with me.

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    Anne (none / 0) (#54)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:12:01 PM EST
    There is nothing wrong with wanting to keep corporate connections for fundraising.

    You cannot be president without corporate fundraising connections.  It is not possible.

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    Of course (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:14:08 PM EST
    When you continue to push the myth that most of your 2008 campaign contributions came from "small donors", (even when that same campaign took more money from Wall Street than anybody), it does seem a bit disingenious.

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    Obama collected (none / 0) (#64)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:46:30 PM EST
    more small donations than any major party candidate in history to make it through the entire primary process.  That's fact.

    Even in the later studies of his donations, he had 26% of his donations in amounts of $200 or less.  How do those behind him fare in their percentages of small donations:

    Bush: 25%
    Kerry: 20%
    McCain: 21%
    Hillary: 13%

    Let me state that again.  Obama had double the percentage of small donations than Hillary.  
    If Obama had lost you would have in office one of the largest takers of large donations of all times in Hillary Clinton.

    Obama had more small donations than anyone and yet being the best translates into him being the most on the take from the corporations, despite the fact that both Hillary and McCain took more large donations?

    The statement that tripped Obama up is explained as follows:

    "We have now raised 90 percent of our donations from small donors, $25, $50. We average -- our average donation is $109 so we have built the kind of organization that is funded by the American people that is exactly the goal and the aim of everybody who's interested in good government and politics supports." - Obama

    "What Obama probably meant to say is that 90 percent of his donors gave smaller donations, and that's likely true. A total of 81,637 persons have given donations to the Obama campaign that exceeded $200 and thus had to be itemized. Since the Obama campaign says that more than 1 million donors have given in total, it would follow that more than 90 percent of them gave smaller amounts. But that's not the way Obama put it."

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    What's adage about statistics, statistians and (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by BTAL on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:50:31 PM EST
    liars?

    Obama had more small donations than anyone and yet being the best translates into him being the most on the take from the corporations, despite the fact that both Hillary and McCain took more large donations?

    Selective use of numbers there.  Obama took MORE MONEY from Wall Street than any other candidate.  The number of donors is really a mute point.

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    I think you mean (none / 0) (#73)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:12:55 PM EST
    moot point

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    correct (none / 0) (#74)
    by BTAL on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:14:06 PM EST


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    in that case its hardly mute (none / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:34:44 PM EST
    more donations from small donors is more donations from small donors.  period

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    So (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:44:47 PM EST
    he got as many small donations as the master of Wall Street Welfare George W. Bush? That's what those numbers ABG is using are saying.

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    I will let him argue with you (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 06:46:29 PM EST
    Im drinking

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    details (none / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:49:30 PM EST
    details.  

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    Links (none / 0) (#70)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 05:10:55 PM EST
    Link

    Link

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    Another myth (none / 0) (#91)
    by Yman on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:06:28 PM EST
    Obama's small donor base image is a myth, new study reveals.

    Everybody knows how President-elect Barack Obama's amazing campaign money machine was dominated by several million regular folks sending in hard-earned amounts under $200, a real sign of his broadbased grassroots support.

    Except, it turns out, that's not really true.

    In fact, Obama's base of small donors was almost exactly the same percent as George W. Bush's in 2004 -- Obama had 26% and the great Republican satan 25%. Obviously, this is unacceptable to current popular thinking.



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    not sure (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 09:34:42 PM EST
    Obama had 26% and the great Republican satan 25%.

    but I think thats more

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    Yep - a whole 1% n/t (none / 0) (#96)
    by Yman on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 06:32:36 AM EST


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    Only if you count (none / 0) (#97)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 10, 2012 at 06:52:09 AM EST
    Each donation on its own.  I could give $200 6 times for a total of $1200, but that, by definition, takes me out of the "small donors" category (unless you are the Obama team).

    And he still also took more money from Wall Street than any other candidate.

    Yep.  A champion of the little people.

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    A friend (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 04:11:24 PM EST
    of mine sent me this USA today questionnaire thingy that helps you decide on who you should vote for. According to this poll I came out.

    1 Obama

    1. Ron Paul
    2. Michelle Bachmann?????

    I can see 1 and 2 but Michelle? I thought I had NOTHING in common with her.

    this is amazing (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:22:34 PM EST
    Ron Paul supporters have pushed back furiously in the last 24 hours on the charge that one Paul backer posted an offensive video questioning Jon Huntsman's national loyalty, and showing clips of Huntsman speaking Mandarin with his adopted Chinese daughter.

    And in an analysis commissioned by Ron Paul's presidential campaign, the web consulting firm CanDo.com presents a different hypothesis: that supporters of Huntsman's campaign posted the video in an attempt to trigger a backlash against Paul.

    may I just say.  if this is true its genius.  
    here is a link to the ad.  it is truly disgusting.

    for the record (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 09, 2012 at 08:43:45 PM EST
    no crocodile tears for republicans eating each other.
    boo f*cking hoo
    I have no idea if its true or not but you know why its effective and brilliant if it is true?  because no one doubts for a second that Paul supporters would do it.  it is exactly like something out of one of his new letters.

    brilliant.  

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